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Posted by: mhameline, Monday, November 6, 2006, 4:32pm
For those of you who have used NAP suppliments/products.  If you were only able to get 1 thing from NAP what would it be?  I should be able to get something from NAP fairly soon, but I'm only going to be able to afford to order 1 thing for now and was wondering what would be the most important single thing to order from them?  I may be able to add other things at a later time but for now it's one thing at a time.  
Posted by: Drea, Monday, November 6, 2006, 4:48pm; Reply: 1
If I could only get one thing, it would be the Polyflora A. That stuff has helped my elimination greatly. But to save on shipping costs (at least that's my justification), I usually also get Deflect A. Now I don't take the recommended amounts of either so they last me two or more months instead of one.
Posted by: mhameline, Monday, November 6, 2006, 5:05pm; Reply: 2
I know what Deflect is and that's the one I've been considering getting - but I'm open for suggestions.  

What is Polyflora exactly?  
Posted by: Drea, Monday, November 6, 2006, 5:12pm; Reply: 3
I've linked the page for Polyflora O (since you are an O) HERE. Basically it's a probiotic and really helps the good bacteria to flourish in one's gut. There is a Polyflora specifically created for each of the blood types.
Posted by: Jane, Monday, November 6, 2006, 5:20pm; Reply: 4
Number 1 is Deflect!  I agree about Polyflora.  I also get the Proberry Caps and the Catechol.  Catechol is Rhodiola and I find that it helps with stress.
Jane
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, November 6, 2006, 5:39pm; Reply: 5
One product?  That's tough.  I would have to say Deflect®, because of it's ability to release old lectins that are bound to receptor sites.

Next in line?  Polyflora.
Next in line?  Larch.

I'd also start taking a tablespoon of ghee on an empty stomach in the morning.  It's great food for the good bacteria in your colon, and helps promote good colon health.

Posted by: Debra+, Monday, November 6, 2006, 5:39pm; Reply: 6
Deflect O would be #1 and Harmonia would be #2.

Debra :)
Posted by: mhameline, Monday, November 6, 2006, 6:54pm; Reply: 7
So, it sounds like Deflect would be #1 from the other O's that have responded.  Followed closely by Polyflora.  Anyone else want to add their 2 cents?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, November 6, 2006, 7:39pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from mhameline
So, it sounds like Deflect would be #1 from the other O's that have responded.  Followed closely by Polyflora.  Anyone else want to add their 2 cents?


Something you might consider before purchasing the Deflect:

Secretor Test.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 6, 2006, 8:04pm; Reply: 9
I would spend my money on something you can't find alternatives for at your local health food store.

That would have to be (for me)
#1  PolyFlora
#2  Deflect
#3  ARA 6 (larch extract)
#4  ProBerry
Posted by: mhameline, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 4:49pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from KimonoKat


I'd also start taking a tablespoon of ghee on an empty stomach in the morning.  It's great food for the good bacteria in your colon, and helps promote good colon health.



I really do need to try and get some ghee - maybe I'll buy some butter and make it this weekend in the oven.  I've never tried it but think I need to.  Is it unsalted butter that you need to use to make it?  
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 5:18pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from mhameline


I really do need to try and get some ghee - maybe I'll buy some butter and make it this weekend in the oven.  I've never tried it but think I need to.  Is it unsalted butter that you need to use to make it?  


We've used both salted and unsalted.
Posted by: 379 (Guest), Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 9:16pm; Reply: 12
I was in the same position as you of only being able to afford one thing to start with... I chose Deflect O & it was so worth it!  Now a couple months later, I've ordered more Deflect, and I'm trying Catechol and a secretor test too.  I haven't gotten the shippment yet, but I am really excited for when it comes.  The Deflect was such a high quality supplement that it really made me trust NAP.  :)
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, November 8, 2006, 3:18am; Reply: 13
My top NAP supplements that I use:

1) Deflect
2) Harmonia
2) ARA6

If I could recommend one NAP product, it would be Deflect as Dr. D'Adamo formulated this product for each specific ABO blood type; it cannot be sold in another version elsewhere.  

Whereas, if one decides to do further research, probiotic supplements, green food powders, chlorella, larch, et al. can be purchased in HFS's and over the internet.  The trust NAP products because I do not have to second guess if any portion of the supplement whether it is the capsule or contents within are not compatible with my blood type.

Alia

Posted by: RedLilac, Wednesday, November 8, 2006, 3:34am; Reply: 14
If you eat any avoids, then I'd suggest Deflect.
Posted by: mhameline, Wednesday, November 8, 2006, 4:05pm; Reply: 15
I have really been trying to get away from the avoids and yesterday I finally had an avoid free day - yippee.  Hopefully I can keep up with that trend but there are times when I do have avoids - so yes Deflect would probably be best to start with.  

I should probably get some Deflect B for my husband as well - but we'll see how we're doing with money when I get a chance to order I guess.  
Posted by: Alia Vo, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 2:44am; Reply: 16
You do not have to use Deflect every day, only when needed.  One bottle could potentially last you many, many months or a year or two.  I believe the expiration date is usually two years.  

Alia
Posted by: mikeo, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 10:47pm; Reply: 17
1) Ara 6 becasue Dr D put's it in almost all his supplements...panacea of sorts
2) Proberry Syrup (absolutely love the taste and is great in green tea)...great for keeping the flu bug away and the polyamines at bay
Posted by: vandelam, Friday, November 10, 2006, 2:24am; Reply: 18
For a poor person's version of Deflect, you could always get Kelp (fucus vesiculosus)
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, November 10, 2006, 3:36pm; Reply: 19
Well, I finally did it - I just placed an order for some Deflect O.  And I got one each of the chocolate cherry and blueberry almond bars to give them a try to see if I like them or not.  I figured now would be a good time to get the Deflect with the holidays coming up.  

Although I will make sure to not use the Deflect only as a liscense to eat a bunch of avoids either.  I'm hoping the Deflect will help me stay on track better so I'm not having to take it all the time and hopefully make it last a little longer.  
Posted by: mhameline, Wednesday, November 15, 2006, 12:48pm; Reply: 20
Does anyone know how long it typically takes for a NAP shipment to arrive?
Posted by: 1146 (Guest), Wednesday, November 15, 2006, 3:11pm; Reply: 21
For me (I live in Dallas, Texas), it usually takes anywhere from 4 to 7 days to arrive.  BTW, I think you will like the deflect a lot.  I love it.  I just re-ordered some and also decided to try the chocolate cherry and blueberry almond bars as well!
Posted by: mhameline, Wednesday, November 15, 2006, 4:12pm; Reply: 22
Thanks - I can't wait to get it :)
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, November 17, 2006, 4:31pm; Reply: 23
I got my order in the mail yesterday.  Have taken a couple of doses of the deflect so far - they only thing I've really noticed is that I've been headachy - that's probably just from some avoids I had yesterday - or can deflect cause that in the begning maybe?  How can I expect to feel while taking this?  
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, November 17, 2006, 9:52pm; Reply: 24
Well, it's been interesting since I've started taking these deflect.  Still just at 2 doses - 1 at dinner last night and this morning with my breakfast - 2 tablets each time.  Last night I had a hard time falling asleep - I'm wondering if this should be something I should not take close to bed time?  And then today I have definately felt some feelings of detox - having to pee a lot - and not drinking much more liquids than I normally do and got rid of a good amount of solid waste earlier today as well - and then this was interesting to me (men may want to skip this since it's regarding female issues) - but I am towards the end of my period - on day 6 and things were really starting to taper off but today after taking the deflect it's almost like I'm back at the begining again - not really all that crampy but a little bit but I've had lots of flow including a short period of time that included some pretty good clotting - which I never see happen this far into my period - that's usually on day 2-3.  It's nothing I'm worried about I just find it interesting - like my body is really cleaning itself out.  I'm assuming this is all normal?  
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Friday, November 17, 2006, 10:04pm; Reply: 25
Its not a good thing....I used to have a lot of that....its usually a sign of hormone imbalance, like maybe heavy on the estrogen...your age may factor in re hormones....
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, November 17, 2006, 10:32pm; Reply: 26
I'm only 33, but I have been estrogen dominant in the past, so that could be part of what's going on again I guess.  :(

Are there any foods that are especially bad for this?  I know I have problems with soy causing these problems, but I haven't had any of that for quite a while now.  Can avoids in general cause problems with estrogen levels?  I haven't been that compliant lately with my eating - so cleaning it up could probably help me a lot I would think?

And are there any specific beneficals that are good in helping with this?
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Saturday, November 18, 2006, 6:08am; Reply: 27
I am not a doc but I3C may be good...it detoxes estrogen... and flax may be balancing...I'm just putting out ideas...wait to hear from someone more knowledgeable...
Posted by: mhameline, Saturday, November 18, 2006, 2:51pm; Reply: 28
What is I3C?  I've never heard of it?  

Any the bleeding has now stopped and thing seem back to normal now thankfully.  I guess I'll keep an eye on what my cycles do from now on and if it continues to change.  
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Saturday, November 18, 2006, 4:27pm; Reply: 29
Indole 3 carbinol...
Posted by: Alia Vo, Sunday, November 19, 2006, 4:13am; Reply: 30
Quoted from mhameline
I'm only 33, but I have been estrogen dominant in the past, so that could be part of what's going on again I guess.  :(

Are there any foods that are especially bad for this?  I know I have problems with soy causing these problems, but I haven't had any of that for quite a while now.


According to Julia Chang of SensibleHealth.com, the following foods and herbs have estrogenic properties:

Herbs: Anise, hops, fennel, black cohosh, milk thistle, clover, red clover, Don Quai, licorice, ginseng, royal jelly, peony, nettle, sage, fenugreek, evening primrose oil, burdock, chamomile, rhubarb

Foods: French bean, date palm, dates, garlic, pomegrante, apple, soybean, chickpea, cherry, alfafa, soy sprouts, cow pea, green beans, red beans, split peas, flaxseed, rasberry, carrot and squash.

Alia
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, November 19, 2006, 4:22am; Reply: 31


herbs in FemBalance are adaptogenic meaning
they lower what's too high and raise what's
too low, you might want to look into those perhaps.
Posted by: mhameline, Monday, November 20, 2006, 12:47pm; Reply: 32
But does this mean I shouldn't be taking the deflet?  It made me feel pretty awful the could days I took it - but I thought that was because it may have been helping me detox?  Because not only did I have the increased bleeding - (that only lasted a day) but I also generally didn't feel all that great - headachy and really wiped out generally.  Should I keep up with the deflect and try to get some FemBalance?  Or maybe I should start out with a lower dosage of the deflect?  
Posted by: mhameline, Monday, November 20, 2006, 3:48pm; Reply: 33
Also, would you all recommend Dr. D's menopause book for problems like estrogen domonance/perimenopause?  Does it also deal with women who are getting those kinds of symptoms too early?
Posted by: Jane, Monday, November 20, 2006, 5:04pm; Reply: 34
There's fucus v. in Deflect and maybe it's upping your metabolism.  I take 2 in the morning and then occasionally if I think I might have ingested an avoid in something I ate.
Jane
Posted by: mhameline, Monday, November 20, 2006, 5:23pm; Reply: 35
So, what kind of reactions would I be having if it was upping my metabolism - would that be something that could cause the extra bleeding towards the end of my period?  It was quite heavy for almost an entire day and my husband kept asking me if I was feeling ok and seemed sort of worried about me because I was definately off in how I was feeling.  
I actually felt worst after taking the deflect than I do after injesting avoids - but I'm trying to figure out if that's just from my body not being used to what's in the deflect and I have to give it time to adjust.  Which I'm willing to do that as long as I know what's going on is a normal reaction to Deflect when first starting to take it??  
Posted by: Don, Monday, November 20, 2006, 5:28pm; Reply: 36
I seem to remember reading a post of Dr. D's in the old message board where he wrote about the possibility of a negative reaction to Deflect and that the people that had that kind of reaction were the ones that needed Deflect the most. I believe he just suggested using a lower dose to get rid of the symptoms, but to keep taking it. I would assume at some point you would want to try to up your dose again, when you negative symptoms don't return, to speed up the clean up of your system.

Unfortunately, Google is not searching the old message board anymore, or at least not correctly/completely, so I can't find the message.
Posted by: mhameline, Monday, November 20, 2006, 5:34pm; Reply: 37
Thanks Don - that's the kind of thing that I was looking for - if the bad reaction I had means I really do need the stuff then I will continue to take it I'll just start out with a smaller dose and work my way up to bigger.  If you do find anything else in writing about this do please post it - I'd really appreciate reading up on it.  
Also, does anyone know if it's ok for women to continue to take the deflect during mestration?  
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 20, 2006, 5:40pm; Reply: 38
I could be missing something, but I don't think Deflect would affect your menstrual flow like that.  I don't see how it would mess with hormones.  It could cause a temporary cleansing crises, though, but the end result would be that you feel cleaner and lighter after the temporary set-back.  You could experiment by trying it next period, if you want to.  Maybe some pro-progesterone action is needed, such as starting to take Vitex (Chastetree), or using topical Wild Yam cream.

When I take Deflect, I feel better than when I don't take it.  Complexion clears up, sleep is better, etc.
Posted by: Alia Vo, Monday, November 20, 2006, 8:41pm; Reply: 39
I believe it would be fine to take Deflect when menstruating.  

There would probably be a disclaimer on the bottle if there were adverse reactions for women taking the product during their cycle.

Alia
Posted by: mhameline, Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 3:35pm; Reply: 40
Alia - you're right there probably would have been something on the deflect bottle if women weren't supposed to take the Deflect while menstrating.  

I took 1 pill this morning and will see how I do with the lower dosage to get me going on it.  

I think a big part of my cycle irregularities has been too much wheat and corn lately - which has probably been affecting my insulin levels and therefore messing up my hormones.  I must remember this is my reasoning for following BTD!!  Because when my hormones are out of whack I am miserable physically and emotionally - my poor hubby when I get that way  ::)

I had a fully compliant day yesterday and did my pilates workout this morning.  Now I just need to keep it up.  
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 1:28am; Reply: 41
Don,
is this what you were looking for?)
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive9/config.pl?read=47985
Posted by: northstar, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 3:23am; Reply: 42
As an "A", I cannot live without my Cortiguard. This helps me to control all that Cortisol floating around in my blood.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 3:29am; Reply: 43
Quoted from lola
Don,
is this what you were looking for?)
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive9/config.pl?read=47985

Yes, I believe that is the Dr. D post I was thinking of.  Thanks for finding it.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 3:46am; Reply: 44
;) great!
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 4:06am; Reply: 45
Missy,

It think the corn and wheat consumption may be disrupting your cylce as your stated.  You can utilize one or two capsules as Dr. D'Adamo suggested in the aforementioned link.

Alia
Posted by: mhameline, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 3:31pm; Reply: 46
Thanks Lola for finding that link - I'm so glad to read that what I've been experiencing is normal - even on just 1 deflect pill in the morning I still have the headachy kind of feelings - but now at least I know to keep with it since my body is obviously needing it.  That and staying away from the wheat and corn especially so my cycles will get back to normal.  This probably also explains why I had a late period a few months ago as well - that always is really hard on me because I think I'm pregnant - when I'm not and it's just my hormones out of whack - not fun at all!! :(
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 8:08pm; Reply: 47
glad it helped! )
Posted by: pipnjohn, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 9:10pm; Reply: 48
NAP are the low point of BTD lifestyle for me.
Their customer services either redirect you to an agent in another country or just don't answer your E-mails at all.
Maybe they should buy themselves a world atlas.
All I would like from them is a little help to get started with them, even a little courtesy would be a start. Annoyed. John.  
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 9:50pm; Reply: 49
NAP has had some change in staff recently. You might want to give them another try.
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, November 24, 2006, 3:21pm; Reply: 50
John, sorry to hear you've had bad experiences with NAP - I've never tried calling customer service or anything so I'm not sure if I'd find the same thing.  Hopefully with their change in staff things are improving though.  

I think I'm finally starting to adjust to the Deflect - so far so good on 1 pill/day.  So, today I decided that since I'm just going to be at home today and not at work that I'd try upping it to 2/day today and probably for the rest of the weekend and see how I do with that amount.  
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Saturday, November 25, 2006, 6:58pm; Reply: 51
Missy,
I am glad people have given you such good feedback....I would just add that regarding hormones, when your metabolism is upped, or you are fatburning, you can have hormones (estrogen) moving out of tissues and into the bloodstream.....could this cause some hormonal issues...I belive so. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who has had an experience of this.

(I'm not a doctor: I'm wingin' it here...but aren't most of us?)
Posted by: RedLilac, Monday, November 27, 2006, 4:02am; Reply: 52
Quoted from ironwood55
NAP has had some change in staff recently. You might want to give them another try.


John I’m with Don, give them another chance.  I’ve had them call me a couple of times suggesting how I could save some money by using their combo specials that I overlooked.
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