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Posted by: goredsox, Friday, October 27, 2006, 1:09pm
Since returning to university 2 months ago, I have gained quite a few pounds, and I think it might have to do with the typical student lifestyle, eating lots of pizza, pasta and sanwiches (and beer  ::) ). I hve never eaten big amounts but the weight gain is substantial.

other than that I try to be adherent to the BTD, consuming lots of (organic) dairy and religiously avoiding chicken.

Although white wheat flour is listed as neutral for B sec (which I am pretty sure I am according to reactions to other foods) it still gives me a bloated and tired feeling after eating pizza/pasta (BTW I try to eat sauces that do not contain tomatoes, eg. carbonara).

Is is safe to eat pizza and pasta for a B? How often can I do it without harming myself?
Posted by: apositive, Friday, October 27, 2006, 1:35pm; Reply: 1
I know that it is recommended that type A (white flour products also neutral) who want to lose weight usually do better by eliminating or at least cutting down on wheat.  I would kind of imagine that it is the same for type B.

My impression is that the "neutral" rating indicates it is not doing the kind of harm that it does with some types, but certainly there is nothing very nutritious about any white wheat products that has not been added.
Posted by: Don, Friday, October 27, 2006, 1:41pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from apositive
I know that it is recommended that type A (white flour products also neutral) who want to lose weight usually do better by eliminating or at least cutting down on wheat.  I would kind of imagine that it is the same for type B.

Yes, LR4YT clearly states that for a type B to lose weight they should avoid corn and wheat.

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, October 27, 2006, 1:50pm; Reply: 3
I agree- I know for sure that I gain weight if I eat lots/normal amounts of wheat
- but at the moment I seem to be ok- with 1-2 small servings of wheat - but I try to avoid it in my daily life - especially because my daughter is O type
The most dangerous thing for me is the fact that when I eat wheat - but also other flourproducts - like white rice and spelt: is that I for sure gets too little protein- It is like I get brainwashed to crave more and more grain- and lacks the focus from the protein and veggies.
MY way of handling this is normally - max 1 serving of grain pr day (monday- friday ) - mainly whole grains like oats, brown rice and millet.
Small amounts of speltbread or cake made with spelt or pasta during the weekend.

Well this is how it ought to be- and often I can stick to this way of eating - but sadly not this week :-( too busy with school
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, October 27, 2006, 3:38pm; Reply: 4
My thought about the pizza that also might be a problem for you is the tomatoe sauce since tomatoes are a main avoid for B's.
Posted by: colojd, Friday, October 27, 2006, 3:58pm; Reply: 5
Hi I am also a B (secretor status unknown) and have a 15 yr old B son and an O husband. My husband is Italian, so tomato sauce and white pasta were part of his growing up "comfort foods". I think we all remember not so long ago when the doctors told us to eat "low fat" and that pasta was recommended as a good low fat food. I used to take Lean Cusine meals to work and always wondered why the pasta based meals left me still hungry, no weight loss and feeling not so great.

We now avoid white pasta and bread. I finally figured out that my son has a wheat sensitivity. He will get stomach aches if he eats wheat in more than just a little volume.  He limits his pasta to mostly spelt which he seems to tolerate OK but now I am wondering why spelt flour is not good for B's? Why is spelt OK as the grain but if you grind it into flour it somehow changes? We just bought a bunch of spelt berries and our own grain mill so this is not good news!! We do buy sprouted wheat bread because the ERFYT book said that the sprouting process changes the grain and make it tolerable. The sprouted breads seems to agree with all of us, with the exception of sprouted barley bread. This does not set well with my son or I.

I think the issue with modern day wheat is that it has been bred and re-bred so much to make it high in protein that it is nothing like its ancient ancestors. I think this is discussed in the original ERFYT book.  I am surprised how wheat is added to so many things! I wanted to buy something sweet and with low fat so picked up a bag of Twizzlers. One of the first ingredients is wheat flour!

Anyway, as a B I would like to know why spelt flour could be an avoid. I am disappointed and I am running out of grain options, especially ones I can find ready made into pasta.

Joyce
Posted by: Don, Friday, October 27, 2006, 5:39pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from colojd
... I am wondering why spelt flour is not good for B's? Why is spelt OK as the grain but if you grind it into flour it somehow changes?
...
Anyway, as a B I would like to know why spelt flour could be an avoid. I am disappointed and I am running out of grain options, especially ones I can find ready made into pasta.

When TYPEbase 4 was constructed the Spelt entry was changed from Spelt (whole) in previous TYPEbase versions and the books. Therefore, I strongly believe the Spelt entry still represents whole spelt.

Therefore, I have always considered that the other spelt entry, Spelt Flour/Products was for white/refined spelt flour and related products, which is not an avoid for type B. It is listed as neutral in TYPEbase 4 and the books I just looked at.

Posted by: colojd, Friday, October 27, 2006, 6:08pm; Reply: 7
Thanks Mo Don. I had a feeling that it referred to that, but wanted to be sure. As I said, we just bought some organic berries and last fall invested in a grain mill, so we grind our own flour directly from the whole grain.

Joyce
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, October 27, 2006, 6:12pm; Reply: 8
I treat the flour as an neutral- but when you make flour in modern ways- you also take a lot of good nutrision out- except if you grind it yourself / good that you do Colojd) - so do I )
- or find a company that do it the old fashioned way.
Whole grains makes my bloddsugar way more stabile than the flour( even the whole garin versions:-()
- and it is easy to overeat when you eat bread/ pasta compaired to the whole grain/ berry.
Posted by: colojd, Friday, October 27, 2006, 6:22pm; Reply: 9
Thanks Henriette:

It does make sense that the whole grain would be easier on your blood sugar, since it is more complex and would be slower to digest. We do like to bake our own bread. The spelt we grind into flour still retains the whole grain properties and is very light and delicate as compared to regular wheat flour.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, October 27, 2006, 6:39pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from colojd
Thanks Henriette:

It does make sense that the whole grain would be easier on your blood sugar, since it is more complex and would be slower to digest. We do like to bake our own bread. The spelt we grind into flour still retains the whole grain properties and is very light and delicate as compared to regular wheat flour.

I agree
:) my mum make flour to me as well
Posted by: Ellie, Monday, October 30, 2006, 11:27pm; Reply: 11
As for pizza etc and  bought breads - here in the UK it is very hard to find bread with out soya and/or corn in it. This is  something to bear in mind.

I managed to buy a spelt loaf on Friday and it was so good, but now I am back to my soya-free local white bread (my kitchen is still not organised enough to do serious baking).

I don't eat pasta any more, but have had pizza few times recently - not great, but seemed to be no soya or corn in so could have been worse.

Circumstances dictate how strict we can be with the diet, I have some things I will avoid like chicken and corn, but others in small amounts don't affect me as badly eg on Sunday at a group event we were served pumpkin pie with cinnamon in, and this seemed fine.

Goredsox, do the best you can, university life is very demanding I know, but I wish I had known about BTD when I was studying, I really struggled physically and mentally, especially my final (and important!) year.In my first year I was known as the Pasta Queen (and couldn't understand why i was so tired)  At least you have the knowledge of what to eat if you eg are losing energy.
But above all, enjoy yourself!

Are you cooking pasta for yourself? If so, have a look for Pasta alternatives. or you could try rice for a change. Or try eg a salad instead of the pasta. And choose the best protein you can.

No comment on the beer except at least try and keep up water intake so you don;t get too dehydrated.

Enjoy!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 5:50pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Ellie
No comment on the beer except at least try and keep up water intake so you don;t get too dehydrated.

Enjoy!


;D
BTW Ellie
When I am served "pumpkin" here in DK- it is very often NOT pumpkin
- but wintersqaush - like butternut sqaush ( cant spell to sq.....)
and that is fine- neutral and taste in MHO way better than real pumpkin.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:01pm; Reply: 13
goredsox,
I don't see how a B could lose weight eating flour products, much less wheat flour, which is a very problematic food for a lot of people, not just B's!  (And if there is a chance that you're a nonnie, it will hit you even harder.)  Someone will probably step in and prove me wrong. :-) but it's true for me anyway.

It's true that we need complex carbs, but sweet potatoes, carrots, fruit, etc. will take care of that.  If you need to eat grains, rice/rice flour/rice cakes will do less damage.  But even overeating those, you will gain weight.

I also caution you about eating too much dairy.  Even though it is needed by our blood type, try and stick with the lowest end of the recommended amounts in LR4YT, if you want to lose weight.  It can really pack on the pounds.  That's one of the problems as we become adults.  Our metabolisms slow down and we can't eat what we used to be able to get away with when we were kids.
Posted by: colojd, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:17pm; Reply: 14
One thing I just read was that soy may not be as great as the media has been promoting. I guess soy can cause thyroid changes which will lead to weight gain. I used to eat tofu all the time and now that I think back on that, I also was having problems with my period, etc. Apparently soy is also an additive to a lot of foods.

I feel like I am constantly reading labels as we shop - watching out for high fructose corn syrup, too much sugar, too much salt, trans fats and now apparently soy has been lurking in the foods and probably has been part of people's weight problems, too.

I do feel better when I avoid white wheat products and limit my sugar.  I do like whole grains so try to limit that mostly to oat, spelt and rice products.

Like most people we do eat out maybe once a week but it is very hard to keep a handle on good health overall - it does pay to take more shopping time to read labels or to try to shop at markets like Whole Foods or Wild Oats where you are more likely to find foods with less "stuff".

Joyce
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:52pm; Reply: 15
Soy is very bad for us B's, but not a problem for type A's.  One size does not fit all.  :-)
Posted by: colojd, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 9:33pm; Reply: 16
My husband wanted to eat more edame because he felt it was a healthier snack. He is an O. I know it has positive health benefits (for some) but it may have other properties that are more powerful in a negative way, too.
Posted by: Schluggell, Wednesday, November 1, 2006, 2:53pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from mhameline
My thought about the pizza that also might be a problem for you is the tomatoe sauce since tomatoes are a main avoid for B's.


Not sure if the pizza itself would be all of the problem - its the extra beer drunk to wash it all down and flush the dastardly Tomatoes.  ;D

All the carbs ingested - my consideration would be at what time do you eat this, earlier in the evening, or leftover eaten/drunk the following day to study {watch the football game} is safer in terms of weight gain.
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