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Posted by: 41 (Guest), Thursday, October 26, 2006, 6:51pm
I have read that B12 can help with sleeping troubles so I ordered some form NAP and tried taking it at bedtime. After 5 days it was apperant that it interacts with the zoloft  I currently take for fibromyalgia.  It seems to me that I might be able to reduce the zoloft and take the B12, but taking both it feels like I have way to much of the zoloft in my system, not a good thing.  What does the B12 do?  How would the B12 be reacting with the zoloft? I know that it works on the nervous system and the zoloft works on the neurotransmitters, does anyone know exactly how they would work together?

That was one bad week for me and I don't want to repeat it  :( but would much prefer to take vitamins to help my condition than prescription drugs.  

Thanks,  :D Sandy O
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, October 28, 2006, 3:11am; Reply: 1
Sandy-you may want to try valerian for helping you sleep instead of B12.  Can't find anything in my vitamin bible about B12 helping you sleep.  It gives you energy.  You do need calcium if not absorbed in the stomach properly and that hight doeses of Vitamin C can wash B12 and folic acid out if you are not taking at least the daily requirements of both.  You can get valerian in supplement, tea and tincture form.  I am not sure how it would work with Zoloft.  I take a B-complex supplement and cannot take it past 2:00 p.m.   And...not everyday.  Otherwise, it keeps me up late at night.  :o 

Debra :)


Ah yes...just checked on the encyclopedia protocols for fibromyalgia and B12 is listed in the Fatigue-fighting Protocol with 1 capsule before bed and in the Nerve Health Protocol with 2 capsules daily.  
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Saturday, October 28, 2006, 3:42am; Reply: 2
Hi Debra, thank you so much for your reply.  I did not know there was a nerve Protocol book! I will have to check that out.  I will also check out the valerian, I know absolutely nothing about it, so it will be fun to find out.  Last night I did reduce the zoloft by half of what I have been taking and took the B12 with it.  I actually feel really good today  ;D but the true test will be how I feel after a week or 2.  It is funny that B12 will give you energy, yet the fatigue protocol says to take it at bedtime!

Again, thanks for checking your book for me and giving me some things to look at!!

Sandy O
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, October 29, 2006, 2:30am; Reply: 3
Quoted from paulssandy@adelphia.net
Hi Debra, thank you so much for your reply.  I did not know there was a nerve Protocol book!  It is funny that B12 will give you energy, yet the fatigue protocol says to take it at bedtime! Sandy O


sandy, the nerve protocol is not a book, but may be found on the website here:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/23.html

also, the same supps and foods can change because of the particular health issue. just something to keep us on our toes. LOL. :-)
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, October 29, 2006, 2:49am; Reply: 4
Quoted from paulssandy@adelphia.net
Hi Debra, thank you so much for your reply.  I did not know there was a nerve Protocol book! I will have to check that out.  I will also check out the valerian, I know absolutely nothing about it, so it will be fun to find out.  Last night I did reduce the zoloft by half of what I have been taking and took the B12 with it.  I actually feel really good today  ;D but the true test will be how I feel after a week or 2.  It is funny that B12 will give you energy, yet the fatigue protocol says to take it at bedtime!

Again, thanks for checking your book for me and giving me some things to look at!!
Sandy O


Your welcome...no problem...we are all learning together. :D

Italybound is right about there not being a nerve Protocol Book.  It is just the protocol section I got it from.  Lots of them there.  Have a look see.  It is under the Science and Solutions of the home page if you have not already seen it.  ;)

Debra :)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, October 29, 2006, 7:41am; Reply: 5
Quoted from debra
Italybound is right about there not being a nerve Portocol Book.  It is just the protocol section I got it from.


the 'link' in my post above will take you directly to the Nerve Prot, this one will take you to them all:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Sunday, October 29, 2006, 1:26pm; Reply: 6
OK, I checked the homepage and there is not link for science and solutions?? There is support and solutions or science and reasearch? i looked at both and did not see a link for protocols.  The links are awsome italybound, thanks.  For future referance, it would be good to know where it is off the home page.  I have 5 minutes before I need to get ready for church, so I will give another really quick looksee.  Thanks so much for all the help  :D Sandy O
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, October 29, 2006, 2:23pm; Reply: 7
oooppppssss...my mistake here.  It is the Support and Solutions and it is the first subject when you click on it.  Dr. D's Health Protocols.   And then...you have 30 different things to choose from.   Enjoy.   

Debra :)

P.S.  If you have the encyclopedia it is in there also, but the ones on this site are more updated like Typebase.  ;)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, October 29, 2006, 3:06pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from debra
P.S.  If you have the encyclopedia it is in there also, but the ones on this site are more updated like Typebase.  ;)


debra, thanks for that P.S.   Must check my encycl  to see if I need to make some updates. :-)
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, October 29, 2006, 5:21pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from pkarmeier


debra, thanks for that P.S.   Must check my encycl  to see if I need to make some updates. :-)



:D

Debra :)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, October 29, 2006, 7:55pm; Reply: 10
hey, what are your exact symptoms??) Hot flashes, nervousity or what exactly? How many of Zoloft
do you take? more than 50mg's a day? and if so when do you take the Zoloft; in the morning or evening? I've had clients with similar problems but here with an interaction of fishoils....hm :-/
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Monday, October 30, 2006, 1:34am; Reply: 11
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hey, what are your exact symptoms Hot flashes, nervousity or what exactly? How many of Zoloft
do you take? more than 50mg's a day? and if so when do you take the Zoloft; in the morning or evening?


I started taking zoloft 10-12 years ago for sever PMS. My symptoms were many and very severe.  My cycle was very inconsitant (anywhere form 20-54 days) with severe mood swings, headaches, skin troubles (boils), cramping to the point that I had been rushed to the hospital several times since the age of 12 upon the onset of bleeding, sometimes able to withstand them on 800mg of motrin), ummmm........I just can't seem to remember them all right now.  I know that when I wrote them down to talk to my Dr about it 10-12 years ago, there were well over 10 specific symptoms. And they would all disappear after the first or second day of bleeding.

I had to start on 12 1/2 mg every night.  Slowly over time I was up to 175mg by the time we found the BTD.  I take it every night. Then 5 years ago I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia and zoloft is one of the treatments for that, and since I was already on it, a few more medications were added, that I only take as needed now(flexeril which is a muscle relaxant and an OTC sleep aid called sleep ease) After 2 weeks on the blood type diet I was able to reduce the zoloft by 25mg, then another 25 mg after 2 more weeks and again another 25mg after the 6th week ( I could tell I had to reduce from the seritonin headache I began to get) then prior to my next cycle, I needed to add back 25mg due to pre-menstral headaches like I had gotten in the past.  After my cycle, I reduced the 25mg again.  Then I tried to take the B12 with it and WOW!!! Bad to take both but was not sure if I needed to reduce or increase or what, just a really bad week.  Stopped the B12 after 5 days. The next week I had my cycle again and had cramping so bad I was on 400mg motrin just to function (I have never had cramps for 4 days!! and really never want it again!!) the bad B12 week was 3 weeks ago, and the cramping week was 2 weeks ago.  I kept taking 125mg the next week (last week) and spent the week catching up on all that did not get done the past 2 weeks.  The past 3 days I reduced the zoloft to 50mg and took the B12 (mehtyl12 plus from NAP which is 1000mcg with calcium folinate 400mcg) I have been doing fine so far but was groggy today until I had some beef at lunch (had a NAP type O protien shake for breakfast since I had to get ready for church and did not give myself enough time to make a meat based breakfast) I am currently mid cycle so the next 2 weeks will be the real test on how this will work.  

I know that is probably far more information than anyone ever wanted to know about me   :o  but I think that answers the question.  Any insite you may have on this would be "greatly" appreciated  :D

Thanks everyone for all your replies. I am going to check out those protocols  ;D

Sandy O
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 30, 2006, 7:11am; Reply: 12
::) oups, I think you have to get settled your Zoloftintake first-going up and down whithin 50 mg's in several days, clearly to me that you body must react and perhaps ache??) Are you getting enough of Magnesium and Calcium? and yes taking them together might give a harmless interaction; but what I saw with Zoloft is and was, that those clients of mine have had sever sideeffects- also with different aminoacids like tryptophan etc; btw. I think it is written on the bypackscript what might interact....:-/
hm....so I was right when once writing that fibromyalgia is a psychosomatic- one ....
what's about an intake of all B-vits together??) Just some 25 mg's??) Or I think in the different O'stuffs
are also the combi from the B-vits...no reactione here ??)
I saw last year a list from one of our members, also an O, about other SSRI's and their sideeffects when trying to get off such products; please just take your time when reducing it, so you body may adapt itself to deal with it; that should take months...not days ;) please-please go a bit slower for this :D thanks in advance :K
and please stay on you adaptogens also in Vitamines because those chemical stuffs are taking a lot
out of your system.Thanks for the info- and be prudent please :K)
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 4:52pm; Reply: 13
Tomatilla, I had to read your post a few times to get what you are saying  ;) I think you are saying that to reduce SSRI's you should do it long term--small amounts over a longer period of time.  Kind of how I increased it over the years, just in reverse.  And yup, yesterday, I was aching and just had to lay down.  Wasn't tired really, just a bad fibro flair, moving was difficult.  Though this was after spending 3 full hours cleaning the house.  Ummmm..I am assuming that I am getting enough of the other nutrients since I am taking the Type O multi and mineral suppliments from NAP, as well as the B12 at night (may be to much with the muti and minerals??) and the Type O protein powder with juice every other day for breakfast. I was having cramping yesterday also (ovulation perhaps) and last night I did increase the zoloft to 75mg.  Ummmm.....So I think you are saying that the best thing to to is go with the 125mg for a bit, then reduce to 100mg for a bit (a few months) then reduce to 75mg, and so on.  I would really be interested in seeing the list you mention from last year.  Is there anyone who would have access to it?
Thanks, Sandy O
Posted by: Vicki, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 5:21pm; Reply: 14
Dr. D'Adamo mentions using B12 to reset the circadian rhythm (internal clock).  This would be one of several steps a night owl might use to turn back into a day person.  I don't think B12 is recommended to help one to sleep at night.  It is used at bedtime to help reset the clock.  
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 5:56pm; Reply: 15
Yes, I read that and it is what got me to try it.  I am definately not a morning person.  I seem to "wake up" after dinner. Thinking it may be the food I was eating, I tried eating a dinner type breakfast, but that did not help at all.  So the B12 sounded promising.  Oh Well......
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 7:26pm; Reply: 16
So, what kind and amount of calcium and magnesium are you taking, Sandy?  A mag. deficiency can make a person prone to cramping.
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 8:40pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Victoria
So, what kind and amount of calcium and magnesium are you taking, Sandy?  A mag. deficiency can make a person prone to cramping.


Really  :o I did not know that.  I have heard of calcium helping with it, but not magnesium.  I suspect that the 2 minerals go hand in hand though. I was diagonised 16 years ago with endometriosis after have a laposcopy for a cyst on my ovary.  Which is why I thought I was getting cramps since the onset of it at age 12.  Since on the zoloft the cramps have been drastically reduced, though it appears that as I reduce the zoloft the cramps get worse  ??)

I am taking the following
Pytocal multi-mineral  Magnesium 66.6mg, Calcium 333.3mg with no B12
Polyvite multi-vitamin with no magnesium or calcium but 70mcg of B12
Methyl12 Plus (B12) 1000mcg at night

Deflect when not eating a meal of highly beneficials only

Fucus Plus
Intrinsa
Polyflora

Type O protein powder with juice every other day

I take the zoloft every night.  I also take allegra (prescription allergy medication) as needed (today I needed it) and Flexeril (prescription muscle relaxant) as needed (usually once every 2 weeks or so).

That is it.  I really don't like taking pills, even vitamins. I have not found a way that I enjoy using the protien powder yet, but I still choke it down.  

Now that I think of it, the cramping today as well as the foggy head went away after the allegra kicked in  ??)  :o now that is weird.

This seems such a weird topic  :-/ thanks for  the help you all have been!
Sandy O
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, November 1, 2006, 4:37pm; Reply: 18
also potassium deficiency can cause cramping.  :'(
sandy, also your cortisol could be upside down, high at night and low in the a.m. should have saliva results for this back by Mon or Tues. Can't wait to see and if this is the prob, what he gives me for it.  ;D   When whatever this prob is, is resolved, I will be soooooooooooooooo glad to wake up refreshed in the mornings. this never happens.  :'(
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, November 1, 2006, 6:20pm; Reply: 19
Sandy,
It's good that you are getting some Mag. in your Phyto Cal.  I think it might be worth a try to increase that dose a little, try 1/2 as much as your dose of Cal.

Vitex (Chastetree) is a traditional herbal formula for endometriosis, fibroids and cysts.  It's necessary to take it regularly, long term (months), but it is effective for those issues.  It may help.  And if you hate pills, try and find it in liquid tincture.
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Wednesday, November 1, 2006, 7:49pm; Reply: 20
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Vitex (Chastetree) is a traditional herbal formula for endometriosis, fibroids and cysts.  It's necessary to take it regularly, long term (months), but it is effective for those issues.  It may help.  And if you hate pills, try and find it in liquid tincture.


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also potassium deficiency can cause cramping.  
sandy, also your cortisol could be upside down, high at night and low in the a.m.


Wow, I am learning so much from this thread!  :) How in the world did we get so messed up?  :o I used to think that if you just ate a balanced diet, you would not need vitamins. Now our bodies are so messed up I wonder if we can fix them.  how does one get all these things checked.  I know the Dr can check for things, but I don't think he check these type of things, maybe iron, but that is it.  I would be very interested in knowing how one goes about finding out their levels.  Also, where would one find the vitex? Is it sold in the HFS? Thanks so much Sandy O
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, November 1, 2006, 9:04pm; Reply: 21
Yes, any good natural food store should carry vitex.  
We used to be blissfully ignorant about what we ate and that's how we got to where we are now.  I hope so many people starting to eat right for their blood types while they are still young will have an easier life than those of us who are struggling to correct our mistakes.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, November 2, 2006, 2:38am; Reply: 22
sandy, my chiro had me do a saliva test. 4 vials. morning, noon, afternoon and midnight. I had to adjust mine a bit as I get up very early and also have to go to bed a bit earlier than most. Looking for the results by Mon or Tues. The test was done thru Diagnos-Techs, but from what I understand a dr or someone ( I say this because a lady approached me at Borders re: this same thing and I know she was not a dr) send it in. Cost is $150 (from my chiro's office anyway. I think each office must set their own price as Diagnos-Tech WILL NOT talk price with you. )
This is the test I did:
http://www.diagnostechs.com/main.htm
when you get into the site, click on Tests and Panels. You can also check out Adrenal Stress Index. There is some info there as well as a 'test' of a sort. You might contact them and see if you can send it in yourself or if they have an NP in the area. I suggest an NP, because once the results are back you have to have someone who knows how to 'read' them and advise you on the supplements. If you want any other info, PM me, I'll be glad to help you all I can. :-)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 2, 2006, 2:54am; Reply: 23
Genova Diagnostics
http://www.gdx.net/home/
used to be Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory before, I think.
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