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Posted by: Lisalea, Saturday, October 21, 2006, 5:02pm
Hi ... I absolutely love these ciabatta buns as they r  "d-e-l-i-c-i-o-u-s"  beyond belief !!!
however they contain beneficials, neutrals  BUT also avoids and some ingredients that i have no idea what they r   ??)

Ingredients:
Flour, Water, Yeast, Wheat flakes, Rye flakes, Salt, Sunflower seeds, Wheat bran, Dry sourdough of rye (rye flour, yeast, bacterial culture), Flax seeds, Sugar, Corn flakes, Rye flour, Oat flakes, Soya grits, Malted barley flour, Millet, Wheat germ, Canola oil, Dextrose, Diacetyl tartaric acid esters or mono- diglycerides, Ascorbic acid, caramel, L-cysteine hydrochloride, Azooicarbonamide, Amylase.
** May contain traces of Eggs, Milk, Nuts, Peanuts, Sesame seeds, Sulphites **

What do I do ???
Thanks beforehand ;D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Saturday, October 21, 2006, 5:25pm; Reply: 1
Hi Lisalea- I am sorry to say but I would vote theese as AVOIDS- just to many bad things and weird ingrediens.( ?)- maybe keep tham as a special treat :-D if you can´t give them up .
Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, October 21, 2006, 6:52pm; Reply: 2
Yes... I agree with Henriette... several of the BIG avoids in there (rye flakes, rye flour, sunflower seeds, corn flakes, etc.) Just not worth it, in my opinion....



Sorry...  :(


But knowledge is power!   :)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, October 21, 2006, 7:16pm; Reply: 3
oups Madl and you are still alife ??) ;) :D ....even as being an AB I wouldn't touch  this :o ::) ;)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 21, 2006, 7:17pm; Reply: 4
what about the soya grits?  
find a ciabatta recipe and tweak it to your compliance.
adding the right grains and substituting all other avoids.

perhaps even find a bread recipe in recibase and form like ciabatta. (chapata)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, October 21, 2006, 9:02pm; Reply: 5
and then you might call me for a break ;) ;D
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, October 22, 2006, 1:26am; Reply: 6
Thanks everybody !!!
:-)
I kind'a had a feeling ... but i just can't give them up !!!!!!
HOWEVER; i will try to eat them ALOT less ...

The funny thing is that they don't seem to bother me at all ... and i still had energy tonight
after i had one with some beef, carrots and beets with some butter ... hmmm at least i do eat
it with beneficial/neutral foods ... maybe that helps ??:-)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, October 22, 2006, 2:42am; Reply: 7
wishful thinking is always nice! )
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, October 22, 2006, 4:35am; Reply: 8
Quoted from LISALEA
. .however they contain beneficials, neutrals  BUT also avoids and some ingredients that i have no idea what they r   ??)

Ingredients:
Flour, Water, Yeast, Wheat flakes, Rye flakes, Salt, Sunflower seeds, Wheat bran, Dry sourdough of rye (rye flour, yeast, bacterial culture), Flax seeds, Sugar, Corn flakes, Rye flour, Oat flakes, Soya grits, Malted barley flour, Millet, Wheat germ, Canola oil, Dextrose, Diacetyl tartaric acid esters or mono- diglycerides, Ascorbic acid, caramel, L-cysteine hydrochloride, Azooicarbonamide, Amylase.
** May contain traces of Eggs, Milk, Nuts, Peanuts, Sesame seeds, Sulphites **


Hi Lisa Lea,
The other ladies gave you their opinions on the avoids, and I agree big time!!!  These are not good for you at all.  But now, let's go on to the other ingredients.  There are some chemicals in there that would make this poison even if the food ingredients were beneficial:
diacetyl tartaric acid asters
mono-diglycerides
carmel (artificial coloring)
azooicarbonamide
sulphites
Do you really want these chemicals in your bloodstream?  How about making these only an occasional treat?  (very occasional! :-) )
Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, October 23, 2006, 1:29am; Reply: 9
Quoted from lola
wishful thinking is always nice! )


LOL

Thanks Lola ... always appreciate ur candor ...  u made me laugh big time !!!  ;)
Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, October 23, 2006, 1:37am; Reply: 10
Quoted from Victoria


Hi Lisa Lea,
The other ladies gave you their opinions on the avoids, and I agree big time!!!  These are not good for you at all.  But now, let's go on to the other ingredients.  There are some chemicals in there that would make this poison even if the food ingredients were beneficial:
diacetyl tartaric acid asters
mono-diglycerides
carmel (artificial coloring)
azooicarbonamide
sulphites
Do you really want these chemicals in your bloodstream?  How about making these only an occasional treat?  (very occasional! :-) )




U r all right ladies; much to my chagrin ...sigh ...  :-/

but why r these sinfully delicious products NOT banned ???
Poison should NOT be allowed on the market !!!! GRRRR
These r foods that millions of people r  ingesting !!!

Posted by: italybound, Monday, October 23, 2006, 2:18am; Reply: 11
Quoted from LISALEA
but why r these sinfully delicious products NOT banned ???
Poison should NOT be allowed on the market !!!! GRRRR These r foods that millions of people r  ingesting !!!


yes, why IS poison allowed on the market?????   in some countries white sugar is listed in with all the poisons. sure does make us feel like we're poisoned doesn't it? it does amaze and disgust me at the things that are allowed in our foods. like propylene glycol. that needs to be in cake why? or in the pills we take why?  just ludicrous!!!  ::) >:( :X  :-/
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, October 23, 2006, 7:54am; Reply: 12
When I worked at the school library - I noticed that books about sugar/ making sugar was placed right next to the books about drugs, tobacco and alchohol ! Far away from the books about producing food !
This system is a national( inyternational system that places book in a special group so .........

Lisalea - you ask why ?
Well it makes products cheaper- easier to ship and they can have bi factories instead of small bakers....
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 23, 2006, 9:38am; Reply: 13
glad Lisalea that you don't experienced until now a reaction on that stuff.....but try once to do your own spelt-mini-breads called brötli ;) and they are sooooo yummi

500 gr. of whole spelt flour, 1-1,5 teaspoon's salt, 250 gr. of sourcream (10% of fat) coriander,ginger,
cardamom at your taste :D, 1,5 sachets of dried yeast,, 250 ml of warm water...get all mixed together, let it go for 2-3 hours, re-work on it...up for forming little breads in your hands ::) ;) and up into your
préheated oven of 250 degree, after 10 minutes go down to 200degree, for the next 15 minutes...ready is the best bread with a bit ghee on it and just a bit of seasalt...wooow

and if you prefere, instead of sourcream you might use a bit of olive oil  or some seeds BT-compatible,
normally I use some linseeds, but as massr Dr. D.wrote- we the ABnonnies have a real problem with complex carbs; that means not too much in......it's enough if we think in a complicated way ::) :o :B ;D
Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, October 23, 2006, 1:21pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
glad Lisalea that you don't experienced until now a reaction on that stuff.....but try once to do your own spelt-mini-breads called brötli ;) and they are sooooo yummi

500 gr. of whole spelt flour, 1-1,5 teaspoon's salt, 250 gr. of sourcream (10% of fat) coriander,ginger,
cardamom at your taste :D, 1,5 sachets of dried yeast,, 250 ml of warm water...get all mixed together, let it go for 2-3 hours, re-work on it...up for forming little breads in your hands ::) ;) and up into your
préheated oven of 250 degree, after 10 minutes go down to 200degree, for the next 15 minutes...ready is the best bread with a bit ghee on it and just a bit of seasalt...wooow

and if you prefere, instead of sourcream you might use a bit of olive oil  or some seeds BT-compatible,
normally I use some linseeds, but as massr Dr. D.wrote- we the ABnonnies have a real problem with complex carbs; that means not too much in......it's enough if we think in a complicated way ::) :o :B ;D




Oh my thanks Tomatilla, that sounds sinfully delicious especially with ghee !!! ;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 23, 2006, 3:05pm; Reply: 15
::) extra made for U ;) ;D :D
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, October 23, 2006, 4:02pm; Reply: 16
Wow, Isa,
That recipe sounds absolutely delicious, and I'm with LisaLea.  I would have it spread with ghee!

Too bad for me that gluten doesn't like me.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 23, 2006, 5:23pm; Reply: 17
Victoria, I am also glutensensitive; but here with spelt...rarely any problems :o ...
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, October 23, 2006, 7:35pm; Reply: 18
You lucky girl, Isa!

Both Spelt AND Coffee.  :-)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 23, 2006, 10:57pm; Reply: 19
did ya mention café ??)....what's that..huh ;) ;D :D since last Thursday no more café, only greentea (sometimes a lapsang souchon :-/) herbal teas .....en litres ::) yup


BUT NO MORE COFFEE !!!!!


lalalaa..lalaaalaaaaa(dance)(smarty)(dance)(smarty) ;D :D :K) 8)


what is interesting btw, I'ven't had any problems to stop,nor with any kind of headaches or whatsoever.... hope it won't follow after 10 days ;) ;D
and yessssss I hope I can be that strict to go on without this drug....:-/ keep fingerles crossed for that :D
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, October 23, 2006, 11:00pm; Reply: 20
Yea Isa!!!!!!!!!


;D ;D ;D(dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(dance)(clap) :D :D :D


Great news!!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 23, 2006, 11:40pm; Reply: 21
and for sure, I didn't cheated at all !!! ooo I think with such stomachcramps nobody would support the minimalest  sipp of this stuff ::)  :-/ :X(disappointed)(hand)



:K) thanks sthweety :K) :D and yes must be honest, I  dont' feel that bad  :B :D
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 3:21am; Reply: 22
Well, aren't you just full of surprises, Isa!  :-)  Good job!

You'll feel better and better.  And there are so many different kinds of green teas with all kinds of different tastes.  I keep finding things I like.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 10:31am; Reply: 23
hm :D I'll go soon in a special teahouse here in Zürich, with tea..tea..tea of all kinds and sorts ::)
and then I think it might be easier to stay away from this bloody café, no more dying for this :o :-/
I don't want to begin and re-begin and re-and re and re.....hey once even the silliest should check it
mentally...no ??) ;) ;D .....so much better and if I might perhaps profit a bit from loosing weight when no more milkcafé, wow....perhaps I dare an ::)  ;D  :B :o ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 2:03pm; Reply: 24
I made myself a cup of hot milk this morning with a tablespoon of molasses;
instead of an espressolatte and I'm still burping :-(

What the hell is going on here ???!!!! :-X
Milk is supposed to be good for me ??!!
:-O
(Pasturized 2% partly skimmed milk with Vitamin A & D added)

Thank-u :-)
Posted by: Kristin, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 2:07pm; Reply: 25
Not if you are a nonnie, it isn't... it would be wise to get your secretor status checked.


And even as a secretor... I find I have issues with milk as I get older.


Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 3:06pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Kristin
Not if you are a nonnie, it isn't... it would be wise to get your secretor status checked.


And even as a secretor... I find I have issues with milk as I get older.





Oh really ? :o
Does it make u burp alot as well ??

Thanks for sharing that ... I'm in Canada hence, the test isn't available here yet  :-/
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 4:43pm; Reply: 27
LisaLea,
I don't eat cow's milk products at all any more!  They give me such stomach ache.  And burping may be your body's way of telling you that your digestive system is irritated.  And if you ARE going to drink cow's milk, try whole milk.  Some people find that the removal of fat actually makes the milk harder for the body to assimilate.

Actually drinking milk is the hardest form of dairy product for the body to digest.  If you are going to stick with cows milk, try yogurt, which is partially pre-digested and is good for intestinal health.  And try sheep's feta cheese, and Chevrie, made from goat's milk.

I make even my yogurt from goats milk now, and much better effect for me.
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 5:55pm; Reply: 28
Hey Isa!!!!   ;D

I had the privilege to have been treated to your gorgeous speltbread many times..
The last time was beginning of October..

Gals.. this bread Isa bakes, OMG, it is D E L I C I O U S !!!!!
She even made me a curry, spelt bun with herbs when I flew back to Holland.
This bun was 'devoured' by me in the plane back to Holland..

I denied that awful Swissair wheat bun with cheesseeeee.....  eeekkk!!! :o :o :o

Instead I enjoyed my yellow spelt herbal bun... thanks sweety!!! it was awesome!!!
The guy sitting next to me in the plane looked at my bun many times...  :o :o

I just cut and pasted your recipe Isa... This recipe is for 'keeps' !!!! ;D ;D

Woww!! The foods we eat since on BTD...  :D

Take care all and eat well...

Cocky 8)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 6:01pm; Reply: 29
Cocky,
It's wonderful reading your posts!  :-)  :-)

p.s.  I hope things are going well for you!!  :-)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 6:03pm; Reply: 30
didn't ya got a lot of enemies because of the garlic??) :D
and I feel good when you were fine here in CH-landli :D
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 6:53pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
didn't ya got a lot of enemies because of the garlic??) :D
and I feel good when you were fine here in CH-landli :D



Gal, I do not 'mind' what garlic vapours I spread, not even  in an airoplane  ;D ;D

I just eat healthy foods... Right???  ;D

Isa, I wish I could have stayed longer in CH..  The space, the clean air.....
Only legislation on supps should be more liberal...  ::)  then CH would be a country I would LOVE to live in .....  ;)

Anyway, who knows what pre-destination has in stock for me!!!  :o :o ??) ??)

cocky

8)
Posted by: Kristin, Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 7:23pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from LISALEA


Thanks for sharing that ... I'm in Canada hence, the test isn't available here yet  :-/



Oh yes it is... order your secretor test in Canada here:


http://www.ABOEssentials.com
Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 3:59am; Reply: 33
Quoted from Victoria
LisaLea,
I don't eat cow's milk products at all any more!  They give me such stomach ache.  And burping may be your body's way of telling you that your digestive system is irritated.  And if you ARE going to drink cow's milk, try whole milk.  Some people find that the removal of fat actually makes the milk harder for the body to assimilate.

Actually drinking milk is the hardest form of dairy product for the body to digest.  If you are going to stick with cows milk, try yogurt, which is partially pre-digested and is good for intestinal health.  And try sheep's feta cheese, and Chevrie, made from goat's milk.

I make even my yogurt from goats milk now, and much better effect for me.




Hi Victoria, i hope that u r well ...  ;D ;)

Thank-u for ur response ... actually,  i do eat plain natural yogurt and I enjoy it  i-m-m-e-n-s-l-y ,
especially with all types of fruits ... i also eat Feta cheese a few times per month ... and totally love it  !!!
but at times when  i  REALLY miss my espressolattes ... i give myself permission to drink a big mug and although my belly doesn't burn or anything ... i seem to burp no mattter what i eat  ... :-/
hmmm actually i might just try the whole milk if u say that it will be better assimilated, Thanks for that info !!!  :K)
Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 4:03am; Reply: 34
Quoted from Kristin



Oh yes it is... order your secretor test in Canada here:


http://www.ABOEssentials.com







Thanks Kristin, i'll go check it out ;) ;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 7:28am; Reply: 35
Missa The Cück...no-body knows...because bodies can't know ;) but mindreading can;D...even the wishes :D ;)......and then understand the weired mind..huh....must learn how to handle it and then puzzles get together ::) :X



and yessss you are right this is one of the wonderfulst countries I know (peoples :-/ )
but those laws were done by Europeans
>:( :(  as you know we are islanders' ;) here in this country (I guess because we are that big :X) we are only alliés onto those laws...swissheads are shaking into yes-or no direction :o but none of em have an own opinion,nor did they understood...so far some of the oldest and finest selfmadeproducts, about 300 must be vanished until the end of this year.... >:( :'( >:( :( :-/
the air is great when no stinky is around,,,not even natural stinkies ;)
but all those ++ won't change the fact that someone helds his paw widely open into direction of pharmalobby ::)  :o 8) >:(

perhaps will Euronümmerlis change that habit ??) ;D :D
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