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Posted by: trish44, Sunday, October 15, 2006, 12:09pm
I have never paid too much attention to the threads about candida, as I didn't have the symptoms, but lately have had night time itching episodes.  So this morning I did the spit test and found the 'legs' initially but later they seem to have sunk.  This is not good, right?  I will do it again tomorrow, but wanted to post this, and also, to see if there is a good product to get rid of it, if that is what it is.  I did take about ten months worth of steroids a couple of years ago for lung damage from chemo, but nothing since, no antibiotics, etc.  I have been eating a little more fruit lately, as I try to be more compliant.  Maybe I have had this all along, just didn't know it.  What other symptoms go along with it?
Posted by: trish44, Sunday, October 15, 2006, 12:31pm; Reply: 1
Ok, I did a search, and found all the details.  I am sorry to have questioned in haste....seems there is a lot of info here.  I have been taking intrinsia for some time, and ghee.  But having a bananna three times a week in my shakes with pineapple juice more times, and some dried prunes and apricots, may just be too much.  Maybe too much of a good thing, Ha!
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, October 15, 2006, 6:56pm; Reply: 2
It's definitely hard to get rid of for most people.  Especially if it's entrenched throughout tissues.
Posted by: trish44, Sunday, October 15, 2006, 7:29pm; Reply: 3
That is how it sounds.  I guess I am going to do just meat and low starch vegetables for a while, and see if that makes a difference.  I also read that a tea called, Pau D'arco, I think, is supposed to help.  Has anyone used that?  Should it be on an empty stomach?  I read that the ghee should also be that way.  After the chemo, I got in the habit of some fruits and protein shakes, which I never did before.  Hopefully, I can still have a little pineapple or blueberry juice.  We'll see how it goes....well, for one thing, I should lose weight more quickly.  I have been at a standstill for a month or so in that area.
Posted by: Ben_Lamers (Guest), Sunday, October 15, 2006, 10:36pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from trish44
That is how it sounds.  I guess I am going to do just meat and low starch vegetables for a while, and see if that makes a difference.


good choice! do the same thing myself and it WILL make a difference. good luck to u. hope your happy with it
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, October 15, 2006, 10:45pm; Reply: 5
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Pau D'arco,
Muscle test yourself first. I stopped taking it.  I did not test strong on it.

Caprylic Acid is a better choice, and is in the fungal protocol.
Posted by: Eric, Monday, October 16, 2006, 2:27am; Reply: 6
Hi friends,
Can I just make a quick insertion here?  I too until recently was doing the uphill battle against Candida for months and felt like life was never going to be normal again... I followed the protocol 100%, I was 110% compliant for weeks on end w/the blood type diet, I ate only beef and low carb vegetables... but the little b***ards never wanted to die.  I was at a point where I ate so little and had such a low-calorie diet that I had NO energy and was making myself sick just trying to rid myself of the yeast.  Anyway, along comes the epiphany...  the candida was more of a symptom of an even deeper problem that nobody really addresses called gallstones.  I read a comment by somebody on a thread that you can never get rid of a problem like Candida if you liver doesn't function properly because with stones, you are constantly supplying your body with fresh bacteria.  Thus I became intrigued and searched all around reading about the gall bladder/liver flush and how important the liver is to digestion, etc.;  something I had never really considered before.  So I did the flush about 2 weeks ago, a bit skeptical but hopeful at the same time because it seemed to make sense.  And what do you know!  I had gallstones even though I'm only 21 and it sounded impossible!  After the flush, the yeast died off and what was even more impressive is that I could finally digest food without any problems.  Literally I could feel my liver and my bowels working and I felt like I was given a new body.  But like I read, after a few days the stones can move from the back of the liver toward the front and the symptoms return without doing multiple flushes.  I felt great for a week and then I could feel myslef get clogged again.  So today I did flush #2 with about 10X better results and was absolutely amazed how many bile-covered cholestorol plugs were lodged in my liver.  And they keep coming.  So I plan on doing this at least 10 more times, extremely excited to get my life back.  Anyway, I just waned to pass on the word that this is perhaps the single most important thing that people can do to get their health back along with living the BTD.   I'm really surprised/disappointed that this is not a standard health protocol and/or something mentioned in Eat Right for Your Type.  After my experience I already got a friend at work to do it.  This guy's extremely healthy and works out 3 times a week, never had any problems of any kind and was telling me how shocked he was that he had so many stones inside of him.  Anyhow I think I've just about hit the verge of rambling.  I just wanted to shine some light on this topic and let people know that YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CLEAN LIVER AND BILE DUCTS or you will never completely get over any kind of digestive problem!   Hope this helps somebody...  
Posted by: mikeo, Monday, October 16, 2006, 3:03am; Reply: 7
The more I read these Candida threads the more I'm convinced it's all in your head...no disrespect but the more you think about it the more u feed it....giving something like this so much time and space on this forum where Dr D gives it one page in one of his books, you have to really wonder how serious of a problem it really is..it is the most talked about thing on this forum and I think it's time we scrap it as a topic.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, October 16, 2006, 4:10am; Reply: 8
Besides a page in Live Right, Dr. D also has a section on fungal infections in his Encyclopedia, (more than just a single page) and there apparently is a BTD connection:  Type O's (especially nonnies) are more prone to developing candida overgrowth.  And there are other health issues that are linked to candida overgrowth:  Poor bowel health, Diabetes and Immunity issues.  I don't think the number of pages Dr. D writes about a specific health issue is the yard stick to measure how important it is in the overall plan.

Posted by: Eric, Monday, October 16, 2006, 4:15am; Reply: 9
Good idea mikeo.  You just reminded me, tomorrow I need to call the American Cancer Society to tell them that I'm tired of hearing about this make believe disease that I've never had.   We should start a petition...
Posted by: Lola, Monday, October 16, 2006, 4:19am; Reply: 10
eric,
great post on your battle against Candida, by the way!

thanks for sharing your experience! )
Posted by: trish44, Monday, October 16, 2006, 11:43am; Reply: 11
This morning I awoke with this vague belly ache, and it reminded me of one I had for years, I think from 95 to 98 when, after finding this way of eating, it went away.  At the time, I was staying to very low carbs.  And I did not begin eating the dried fruit, bananas, and fruit juice until just six months ago, when I wanted to get into the best of health, or so I thought.  All was going well until the symptoms started again a few weeks ago, and now this tummy ache clinches it for me.  I have this imaginary thing again, candida!  Back during that time, I slept with a heating pad.  It would go away later in the morning after I had my coffee.  OK, KK, I am off to get some caprylic acid!  Thanks for the info!
Posted by: Janet, Monday, October 16, 2006, 2:05pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from mikeo
The more I read these Candida threads the more I'm convinced it's all in your head...no disrespect but the more you think about it the more u feed it....giving something like this so much time and space on this forum where Dr D gives it one page in one of his books, you have to really wonder how serious of a problem it really is..it is the most talked about thing on this forum and I think it's time we scrap it as a topic.


Mikeo...if you are one of the fortunates...believe me....be grateful!!!   ;D
Oh that it was only afflicting 'the head' but no, for some reason I get it in a much more delicate area.  :X
Posted by: 701 (Guest), Monday, October 16, 2006, 5:24pm; Reply: 13
Eric,
I've been on and off with symptoms of systemic candida for quite a while and it keeps hanginf in there.  I haven't tried the liver flush, but I guess I should give it a try.  Oh, by the way, How Much is his wife.
Ken
Posted by: 1470 (Guest), Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:02pm; Reply: 14
erictm998- what flush did you do? please explain what company or what herbs you used.  i'm interested!
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:00pm; Reply: 15
Here's another mention about Candida from Live Right:

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pages 128-129
Denture stomatitis, an inflammation of the mouth that occurs in denture wearers, has been found to be most prevalent and severe in Type Os.  One of the more common causes of edental stomatitis is infection with the parasite Candida albicans.  If you wear dentures, be sure to follow the recommendations on page 171 for preventing Candida.


Dr. D felt Candida was enough of a health issue, to write a protocol specifically for fungal support.

Not all of western medicine doctors believe that systemic candida even exists as a health issue.  
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:04pm; Reply: 16
Coming into a thread and dismissing the disease discussed as all in the sufferers heads is not only disrespectful, it is uncalled for. May I respectfully submit the following suggestion: if you do not wish to read about Candida, don't go into the threads dedicated to the disease. No one is forcing you to do so.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:07pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from trish44
I also read that a tea called, Pau D'arco, I think, is supposed to help.  Has anyone used that?  Should it be on an empty stomach?  


In the past I have tried Pau D'arco as a supplement, in mixtures of other things for Candida, and for tea.  I took it with food and without  (the teas usually without)

Muscle testing indicated that I strongly need Pau D'arco  in the past and still do (although the need does not appear as strong now).

When I have take Pau D'arco in any form it has always had a powerful psychological effect on me inducing: vivid dreams, altered sleep patterns, and depression.

I have stopped attempting to take it-- deciding that I could live with Candida and I was not sure how long I was going to hang around with the suicidal impulses engendered by Pau D'arco.

It obviously does not affect others as profoundly has it affects me.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:14pm; Reply: 18
I don't remember if I had any experiences like yours, but then I'm an O....and my protocol would be somewhat different than yours.

Posted by: Mickey, Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:34pm; Reply: 19
A couple of days ago i was watching a health show.  One i really respect since they have helped me in the past with health problems my doctors couldn't!.

Anyways the topic was candida.  The Dr. on the show mentioned that every one has some candida in their bodies.  It lays dormant until factors such as diet make it grow.  I'm wondering if this is the case then can a spit test ever show totally negative results?.

Thanks!
Mickey
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:52pm; Reply: 20
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I'm wondering if this is the case then can a spit test ever show totally negative results?.


From my understanding, yes, it can.

Candida becomes a problem when it gets out of balance with the good bacteria in your colon.  When the percentage of candida organizms out number the good bacteria.  According to Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine (by Murray & Pizzorno, ND's),
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Normally, Candida albicans lives harmoniously in the inner warm creases and crevices of the digestive tract and in the vaginal tract of women.  However, wihen this yeast overgrows, or when immune system mechanisms are depelted, or when the normal lining of the intestinal tract is damaged, the body can absorb yeast cellls, particles of yeast cells, and various toxins.  As a result, there may be significant disruption of body processes resulting in the development of the yeast syndrome.  

This syndrome is characterized by patients saying they "feel sick all over."  Fatigue, allergies, immune system malfunction, depression, chemical sensitivies, and digestive disturbances are just some of the symptoms patients with the yeast syndrome may experience.

snip

Eventualy, "yeast syndrome" will probably be replaced by a more comprehensive term that includes small intestine bacterial overgrowth and the leaky gut syndrome.  Both of these conditions are often associated with Candida albicans overgrowth and may produce symptoms indentical to those of the yeast syndrome.


Leaky gut is a problem for a lot of individuals with health issues, and I feel addressing the gut and digestion is key to getting one's candida back in balance.  If that means getting the gall bladder cleaned out for some individuals, then that might be a path for some. (FWIW, another quote from the book: "In many cases, an important step in treating chronic candidiasis is improving digestive secretions.") For other individuals it might be another path, like concentrating on the fungal support protocols.  In other individuals, it might be the path of supporting and improving the immune system.  For others, it might be a combination of methods.

For someone suffering from candida, it can feel like they are in a vicious cycle.  If you've never had to deal with it, be grateful.

Posted by: resting, Monday, October 16, 2006, 8:41pm; Reply: 21
check out Jatoba from http://www.rain-tree.com

John
Posted by: 701 (Guest), Monday, October 16, 2006, 9:30pm; Reply: 22
John,

It sounds like a great all-around herb for men with candida -- it also gives an energy boost and is good for the prostate.
Posted by: resting, Monday, October 16, 2006, 10:40pm; Reply: 23
Hi doc,

I strongly suspect that with aging comes a less intense physical exercise [this is a part of all disabled people's lives - except perhaps deaf people] there is quite a bit of systemic fungi (not necessarily only candida) mixed in with cellular waste and pockets of bacteria ... etc, etc.  It's similar to the accumulation of rust on the inside of pipes.

To rid the body of this type of waste, it may be necessary to do the BTD to stop accumulating more ... but I'm getting more and more keen on NAP's Estraphase and to feed this detox use serraprotease http://www.allergies-asthma-sinus-relief.org/products/serralone.php ... increasing oxygen .... acetyl-L-caritine + calcium pyruvate + fish oils ... to increase sweating .... + a steam (sweat) bath .... for detox through the skin .... + rebound exercise for lymph assist + ............. more ... I suspect this herb and Maca and some other offerings from Raintree http://www.rain-tree.com/amazon-m-tonic.htm could be a huge assist.  Finally have a look at http://www.alexchiu.com/eternallife/alexchiu.htm  for a permanency ....

John
Posted by: Eric, Tuesday, October 17, 2006, 3:00am; Reply: 24
Ken and Mandi-
BTW Ken, I hadn't heard that part of the joke!  HA!  Anyway...  that's exactly what the problem was for me, I'd wake up some days and the Candida would be almost dead and I would feel amazing.  I'd keep doing the exact same things and then suddenly it would come back.   Sucks pretty hard core.  http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp  here's all the info you need about the gall bladder flush.  I tell everybody I know about it, seriously.  Hopefully this helps y'all like it has me.  Either way, you have nothing to lose by cleaning out your body's 2nd most important organ.  ;)
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, October 17, 2006, 8:18pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from erictm998
the candida was more of a symptom of an even deeper problem

I totally agree. If you have chronic candida stop focusing on treating the candida, but stay on an appropriate anti-candida form of the BTD, and start looking for what is causing the candida.

Quoted from KimonoKat
Candida becomes a problem when it gets out of balance with the good bacteria in your colon.  When the percentage of candida organizms out number the good bacteria.  According to Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine (by Murray & Pizzorno, ND's),

Leaky gut is a problem for a lot of individuals with health issues, and I feel addressing the gut and digestion is key to getting one's candida back in balance.  If that means getting the gall bladder cleaned out for some individuals, then that might be a path for some. (FWIW, another quote from the book: "In many cases, an important step in treating chronic candidiasis is improving digestive secretions.") For other individuals it might be another path, like concentrating on the fungal support protocols.  In other individuals, it might be the path of supporting and improving the immune system.  For others, it might be a combination of methods.

For someone suffering from candida, it can feel like they are in a vicious cycle.  If you've never had to deal with it, be grateful.


Good information in that post KK, including the quote that didn't come through when I quoted.

I will just add that I would also consider the possibility of toxins being part of the problem. The toxins can suppress the immune function. The BTD, colon cleansing, liver flushes can all help with some toxin issues. Other more serious issues like mercury, which will promote and bind to candida, will require other types of treatments.

Repeating, If you have chronic candida stop focusing on just treating the candida, but stay on an appropriate anti-candida form of the BTD, and start looking for what is causing the candida.
Posted by: Eric, Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 12:03am; Reply: 26
MoDon, I just wanted to add a humble amen.  
Posted by: Beouemom, Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 2:35am; Reply: 27
Which book/books would give one the most details/specifics about what is the best/ appropriate anti candida form of the BTD?  I have ER. LR. and the encyclopedia.  
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 2:50am; Reply: 28
encyclopedia is fine...
look for the yeast fungus protocol.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 3:04am; Reply: 29
Quoted from Beouemom
Which book/books would give one the most details/specifics about what is the best/ appropriate anti candida form of the BTD?  I have ER. LR. and the encyclopedia.  

I think that the type O nonnie diet is already a pretty good anti-candida diet, but if you are still having trouble then try cutting back even more on the fruit, starches, and any sweetener you might be using.

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