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Posted by: 1440 (Guest), Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 3:50pm
Hi All!

I'm new to the site and to the concept of ER4YT. I have waded thro much of the archives..but would love to know whether there has been any discussions on Indian Vegetarian diets.

I do know for a fact that while on a non veg diet I was leaner. Am an O, of Indian origin. I had to switch diets to vegetarian soon after marriage..and have become pudgy with stomach discomforts.

I'm not in a position to cook non veg at home..and eating out isnt quite an option. How do I obtain the maximum benefits of an O diet?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Warm Regards,
accidental chef
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 3:54pm; Reply: 1
Browse around the site and become familiar with all the features here.  If you look at the top right of the page, you will see a link called "member center."  If you click on that link, it will take you to a page where you can pick an appropriate avatar, to represent your Blood Type Shield.  This comes in handy when others are trying to help you answer questions.  Also on that link you can create a special message under your shield, and a personal signature that will appear in all your posts.

I'm sure some former vegetarians will chime in here to help you with your request very soon.  Off the top of my head, if you can eat eggs, take advantage of that.  I'd also make sure to get nutritional yeast into your meals at every opportunity.

Again, welcome to the forum.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 4:08pm; Reply: 2
L-tyrosine is another supplement you might consider.  

All nuts and seeds, all forms of seaweed, and beans and legumes which are suitable for your blood type are all protein source options.

Also, wheat grass juice and barley grass juice both provide nucleic acids,
many vitamins, trace minerals, and calcium
Likewise Amaranth, Hemp, soyrice or Sesame Misos could be other good sources.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 4:12pm; Reply: 3
you might also want to supplement with zinc and taurine.......

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dr d
Most of the vegetable proteins are not metabolized efficiently by type O, and some inhibit their proper functioning of the thyroid.

Coleus forskohlii increases cyclic AMP (adenosine mono phosphate)
Forskohlii assists the digestive shock and reputed to boost energy metabolism in vegetarians who have blood types which require animal
protein for optimal health
it has the same effects on cellular metabolism as red meat does for O's.
Posted by: koahiatamadl, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 4:43pm; Reply: 4
Does your family object to having meat/fish in the house? If they would be ok with that you could maybe subsitute your diet with nibbles/snacks (to be eaten away from the family), possibly dried meat/fish which you do not have to prepare? Just a thought - might not be feasible depending on your exact circumstances...
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 4:52pm; Reply: 5
Even if you are going to try to follow the type O BTD as a vegetarian you still should avoid all the avoids and try to eat as many of the beneficials as you can. You will be better off doing this versus ignoring the BTD totally just because you are trying to be a vegetarian.

The main problem is you need plenty of the right kind of protein. Can you cook eggs and/or fish/seafood? If so, I would eat them frequently.

You say you can't cook non-vegetarian meals at home, but are you willing to eat meat if you don't have to cook it? If so I suggest you buy some compliant beef jerky, preferably from grass fed beef. It would be easy to keep private and eat.

There are a number of supplements that might help, however some of the amino acids are sourced from non-vegetarian sources. Is that a problem?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 4:56pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from accidental chef
Hi All!

I'm new to the site and to the concept of ER4YT.

A very warm welcome to you!
I have waded thro much of the archives..but would love to know whether there has been any discussions on Indian Vegetarian diets.
Quoted from accidental chef
Am an O, of Indian origin.

Indian as in India or Indian as in Native American?  I'm thinking India, right?
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How do I obtain the maximum benefits of an O diet?

1.  Eliminate wheat from your diet (I feel like a huge hypocrite saying that at the moment because I am currently ingesting a Girl Scout Thin Mint Cookie, but do as I say, not as I rarely, yet still occasionally, do!).  Wheat is the single biggest offender to the Type O system.
2.  Focus on your benecials, eat neutrals as you like for variety, and try your best to stay away from the big avoids like the aforementioned wheat, and also corn and coffee.

Welcome again!  Not sure from your post if you are still a total vegetarian or not, but the latter (not) would be preferrable for you as a Type O.  You don't need to eat much meat, just maybe 5 or 6 ounces twice per day if that is all you want, but try to get some high-quality protein from meat into your diet if you can.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 4:59pm; Reply: 7
P.S.  IF you are not going to eat meat at all, try to:

1.  Get some nutritional yeast flakes (KAL is an excellent brand) and incorporate nutri. yeast into your diet (it is delish sprinkled into sauces like pesto and soups, etc.  See sticky thread on nutritional yeast).

2.  Eat beneficial nuts (like walnuts) and seeds (like pumpkin).

3.  Eat EGGS, if you are an ovo-vegetarian.  This will help tremendously.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 5:01pm; Reply: 8
P.P.S.  I'm going into my post-wheat-ingestion self-imposed posting exile now.  See youzz all in 24 hours!  Welcome again, accidental chef!
Posted by: resting, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:07pm; Reply: 9
Hi accidental chef,

you pose some very tough problems:

besides wanting to know about Indian vegetarianism ... there is a very ancient attitude among many whole societies that equate being plump with success.  Some would hold that ... the (extra)fat is a sign of prosperity.  So your family might wonder why you would even desire to be slim.  This may/may not be a big thing in your household.

There are many ways to consume some meat of fish protein without cooking... jerky is one; fermented fish as supplement tablets another.  There are also supplement pills of dried organ meats.

Lola posted something about the amino acid taurine with zinc.  Another very helpful one besides L-tyrosine is called L-carnitine.

Besides the weight gain that often accompanies 0's eating wheat is thrush and candida and all kinds of digestive maladies.  There are long term consequences too .... some of this is handled with extra L-carnosine .

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:12pm; Reply: 10
safe return!!! )

make it a snappy exile, k?
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:32pm; Reply: 11
accidental chef, welcome! It's great that you are open to this way of eating! As well as the above advise, I would encourage you to avoid lentils, which I know are a staple in indian food. Maybe you can make them for others but you yourself eat a compliant bean, adzuki and black eyed pea are benficial and black bean and cannelini are neutral....(there may be more)....I am going to look up these beans to see what they may be called in india....let you know if I find anything.
Tofu is a neutral and is high protein.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:56pm; Reply: 12
accidental chef,
I looked up black eyed pea to see what it might be in indian cookery....and apparently it, or its close relative, is called by many names, some of which are: red gram, toovar, toor dal, gunga pea, etc. (You see the black eyed pea is one of 3 types of pea that are closely related)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 7:03pm; Reply: 13
accidental chef,
someone from India asked about these foods back in the old board;
Black gram (Urad), Moringa Oleifera also called 'drum sticks', Cutlass Bean, Red gram, gourds like snake gourd, bitter gourd, cluster beans and Colocasia.

there are no values for these foods, meaning they have not been tested. They can be considered "neutral" if you are in good health and do not need to lose weight, but use them very sparingly if you are trying to resolve a heath condition.

the same goes for all other foods, not tested, which you are used to having.
hope this helps you make educated choices when fine tuning your diet.

here s another old post from someone in India:
Posted by: 1440 (Guest), Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 1:43am; Reply: 14
Y'all, thanks ever so much!!!! I'm totally overwhelmed with the warm welcome and the number of responses and advices, wow, thanks a lot!

Erm...actually I'm not trying to lose weight thro this diet. It's just that I havent 'felt right' for a long time with the switch...and thought back in time when I had felt the best, healthwise. And it was a coincidence which brought me to ERFYT.

Yes, I'm Indian as in India  :) and no, I really cant cook non veg & egg at home. I had contemplated just focussing on the neutrals & beneficials to start off with. It gets a bit tricky at home coz my husband is B :P...Yes, I could eat non veg when I'm out on my own..but I'm always wary of preserved stuff, what with its high salt content and all...

Yes, I'll do away totally with wheat & coffee and run thro the link to the old posts, thanks for that!

I exercise 6 times a week. 6 days of brisk walking, out of which I combine 3 days  with weight training. Any advice on this..?

Once again, thanks a million. I'll spend some time reading thro old posts and see how far I progress.

accidental chef
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 2:48am; Reply: 15
And accidental chef,

Don't disappear.  

I hope you'll keep sharing with us how things are going for you as you make some adaptations in your diet!  :-)
Posted by: bec-australia (Guest), Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 4:21am; Reply: 16
Hi accidental chef,

I love indian food and one that would be highly beneficial is probably saag bhajee (I'm really sorry if I got the spelling wrong, it has been a while).  I love it with heaps of ghee, onion and spices in the spinach.  The other biggie for your to avoid (that's probably going to be hard) is potato.  My partner is a B as well and he loves Aloo Naan breads and potato chips etc, so I'm surrounded by it constantly, as you probably are.

Another great item is ghee.  It heals your insides, tastes great and is fantastic to cook with.

Good luck,

Posted by: Joyce, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 7:41am; Reply: 17
accidental chef,

I need to issue a warning here.

My friend is a type B and she became vegetarian at 50, though still eating eggs and milk products.
At 68 she developed atrial fibrillation big time and was threatened with all sorts of drugs.  
After trying some of them and becoming more ill she has begun to eat a paleolithic diet and is almost cured, much to her doctor's amazement.

That was one huge switch for her as you might imagine but she now warns her family to not follow her vegetarian pathway.

On a site for afibbers I also know an O type who is a long time vegetarian but he now supplements with large amounts of taurine, magnesium and potassium to keep his heart quiet.

I don't write this to scare you and atrial fibrillation can be a familial affliction so you might never be at risk but taurine is necessary for both heart and eye health.  [My B friend also developed serious eye problems.]

I wish you all the best.

Posted by: 1440 (Guest), Thursday, October 12, 2006, 1:13am; Reply: 18
Hi All!

Joyce, thanks for your post. I'll try not to get scared  ;)...

Bec, yes, ghee does have healing qualities. Do you use it all the time? How do deal with weight gain..?

My biggest adjustment so far has been to give up yoghurt (dairy). My meal doesnt feel complete without it! It's the grand finale of one's meal- to aid digestion. How contradictory is that for an O??!!

I notice that I'm moving towards more rice based food preparations when I get hungry...and I'm worried that I may not be active enough to burn all the calories! Which again points me towards more protein heavy food.

It's going to take a while to get the right balance, isnt it ::)?

accidental chef
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 1:59am; Reply: 19
beware of grains in Os for weight gain, not the right fats! )
Posted by: 1440 (Guest), Saturday, October 14, 2006, 6:46am; Reply: 20
Thanks Lola, I'll remember that!

I have a doubt about peppercorns & ground pepper. The former is NEUTRAL and the latter AVOID for O's.

Does coarsely crushing pepper corns make it an AVOID for O's?

What about roasting pepper corns and grinding it with other spices..?

Any ideas?

accidental chef
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 14, 2006, 3:29pm; Reply: 21
store bought ground pepper is usually subject to mold build up......
that s the reason to purchase whole corns and grind them yourself.
Posted by: italybound, Friday, October 20, 2006, 3:48am; Reply: 22
Quoted from lola
store bought ground pepper is usually subject to mold build up......

plus you don't really know what all that other stuff is in there..............  :X       with fresh ground peppercorns, not only do you get a great flavor, but you KNOW what you're getting!  ;D
Posted by: 1440 (Guest), Friday, October 20, 2006, 5:43am; Reply: 23
Quoted from pkarmeier

plus you don't really know what all that other stuff is in there..............  :X       with fresh ground peppercorns, not only do you get a great flavor, but you KNOW what you're getting!  ;D

Yes, I guess so. The book wasnt specific, so I thought may be crushing it released stuff which was damaging to the stomach. My husband is B and pepper & peppercorns are AVOIDS.

accidental chef
Posted by: italybound, Friday, October 20, 2006, 1:15pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from accidental chef
Yes, I guess so. The book wasnt specific, so I thought may be crushing it released stuff which was damaging to the stomach. My husband is B and pepper & peppercorns are AVOIDS.accidental chef

I also understand the issue to be the mold that starts forming when they are crushed. Maybe your DH can try using the fresh and see how he does w/ it. His body will prob let him know. :-)
Posted by: Elizabeth, Friday, October 20, 2006, 1:46pm; Reply: 25
What about rice protein powder?  NAP has some, also health food stores.  I know it is not the same as red meat, but it should be easy to introduce in a vegetarian household.  The key is getting rid of avoids, and keeping up the appropriate protein.  Personally, I'd get the best quality beef burgers I could "out" from time to time (there is nearly always one place that prides itself on good beef).  (No, I know you won't get pure grass fed, but this is an emergency situation, of sorts.)  We (two O's) have this problem visiting our grandchildren (vegetarian household) for any length of time--we try to have lunch out.  In the lesser of evils category again, we eat a good bit of buffalo yogurt when necessary without the tell-tale signs of cow dairy ingestion.  I'm sure it still has lectins, but it does not make us feel bad (immediately).  There is also a product call QUORN, vegetarian, a mushroom relative (distant), but I do not know the status for BTD.  Good luck!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 21, 2006, 1:24am; Reply: 26
here are some threads on quorn from the old boards:
is a mushroom - based meat .......
Posted by: 1440 (Guest), Saturday, October 21, 2006, 3:42am; Reply: 27
I think I'll be able to put my mind to rest once I visit the local NAP outlet and see what really we have....and what Asian alternatives there are.

Thanks for the help and I've made a note of all these suggestions...

accidental chef
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