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Posted by: Tom1964, Thursday, August 31, 2006, 12:00am
It's the time in my life to change permanently and both lose belly fat and reshape my body structure to have more muscle tissue.  

I'm male, 5-9 and weigh 230 and have about 72 lbs of body fat.  

Any major considerations I should think of?  I want to eat a lot of good grass-fed beef, but my concern is that if I eat too much meat, I could form kidney stones because eating too much meat can increase Uric Acid levels.  Otherwise I think this along with eating lots of good leafy greens and a few nuts and good water is the best way for me to lose weight while I do strength training.

Any thoughts?  Agreee?  Have more info on Uric Acid and kidney stones in relation to meat consumption?

Also, what will I need to do to lose 1.5 - 2 lbs of fat per week?

Tom
Posted by: 1501 (Guest), Thursday, August 31, 2006, 12:05am; Reply: 1
The best thing you can do is get to the gym and lift weights. I don't think kidney stones are due to too much meat; I believe mine occured after years of drinking a lot of iced tea.

Try not to get too caught up in the "x amount of pounds per week" thinking. I know for me, I tend to start slow and then lose steadily (though never more than 1 lb per week) but exercise was a huge part of the picture. I got to 12% BF and 112 lbs (at 5'2", female, 43 years old) without any cardio at all. And as long as I lifted heavy 4 days a week, I could eat like a (carnivorous) horse.

Laura

P.S. I realize I am not a nonnie, but I don't know that secretor status is relevant here.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, August 31, 2006, 12:31am; Reply: 2
your assumptions would hold true for an A, perhaps.....
but not for Os who s genetic ancestry digests meat, due to their high acid levels.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, August 31, 2006, 12:46am; Reply: 3
You may want to consider losing the weight slower, unless there is a real medical reason to lose it that quickly. Losing 70 lbs is a lot even over two years, much less one. There are a lot of adaptations that your body will be making as you lose weight. Sometimes it will go faster, sometimes hardly or not at all. Work up to getting your excercise and work into following the diet. Chances are you will lose weight plenty fast!  ;D
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Thursday, August 31, 2006, 7:41pm; Reply: 4
I felt that I solved my problem ( a small k. stone) by eating lots of greens with the meat.....the thought was that the acid needsto be balanced out by plenty of veg.....(I might have made that up, but it seems to be keeping me healthy)
Posted by: EquiPro, Thursday, August 31, 2006, 7:56pm; Reply: 5
Get starches out of the house to prevent any binging.  Make the star of your meals the veggies and fruits.  Make sure to eat some fat with them each time (like ghee) - you'll feel more satiated and it will help you to really absorb the nutrients.  Make the meat a SIDE DISH.  This is on of the things that O's tend to get stuck on.  We keep thinking MEAT, MEAT, MEAT or PROTEIN, PROTEIN, PROTEIN.  The reality is that we don't need that much and, I have found this true for me, anyway, I can easily overeat calorically if I eat too much meat/ protein.  Also, it makes me crave starch.

So think of your protein as a side dish.

Fats should be taken in reguarly.  Do not be afraid of fat in the form of ghee, olive oil, nuts and to a lessor extent, butter.  Study upon study shows that nutrients found in fruits and veggies are assimilated better with the addition of fat.   Fat is good for the hair and the skin and it is essential for feeling satiated.

Another note:  I tend to eat more fats when I eat too much meat.  I like to eat the meat fat, and it just ends up being too much.  When I take my fat in as part of my veggies/ fruit, I eat far less.

Try to get fruits and veggies in at EVERY meal.  I often steam up some spinach, add a little ghee or olive oil and eat my eggs on IT rather than toast.

Rotate your meat/ protein.  It is so easy for a Type O to get in a rut.  Make a concerted effort to not eat the same meat mroe than one time per day.  Even better is to try to not eat it more than one time in TWO days.  This takes effort, but it really helps not to overeat the meat.  It doesn't have to be expensive.  Think canned salmon.  Think turkey.  Think hard-boiled eggs or eggwhites.  Often, I'll have a big salad for lunch and the only protein that I'll add is 2 hard-boiled egg eggwhites.  It's fine.

Keep starches to a minimum.   This is especially true for a nonnie.  I am a secretor, but my body does much better if I act like a nonnie.  I try very hard to limit my starches to my latest meal of the day.  This seems backwards, but if I eat some at lunch, I want some at dinner.

I hate to say it, but I have to disagree with the weightlifting thing.  I think that this has to do with your body style.  I am very short-waisted (long legged) and I carry most of my weight in my abdominal area.  For a woman, I am extremely mesomorphic - I am built much more like a man than a woman if you strip away my womanly traits.  While weight-lifting is something that my body does extremely WELL, it makes me larger. I put on muscle quickly and easily, and if I am not at my thinnest, weightlifting only makes my torso look and feel larger.  I have to severely limit the amount of weights that I do unless I am at my thinnest weight.

Instead, I recommend a LOT of cardio, if you are the short torso body style.  Get the size off first, then move to the weights once you have trimmed down.

A great way to start getting rid of the middle stuff is to t-tapp, and it is something that you can do at home for only 15 minutes per day.  If you tend to be heavy in the middle and especially around the love handles and back, if you tend to have a small or flat bootie, if you have difficulty putting weight on your legs and if you tend to have a short, thick neck, you are probably a short torso.  T-Tapp is miraculous for trimming down the middles with that body type.  Take a look here.

http://www.t-tapp.com/success/stevenc/default.asp

While I do other exercising, too, I am adding the t-tapp 15 minute workout back in next week.  I, too, need to get my torso trimmed down.

Good luck!
Posted by: EquiPro, Thursday, August 31, 2006, 7:59pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Tom1964
It's the time in my life to change permanently and both lose belly fat and reshape my body structure to have more muscle tissue.  

I'm male, 5-9 and weigh 230 and have about 72 lbs of body fat.  

Any major considerations I should think of?  I want to eat a lot of good grass-fed beef, but my concern is that if I eat too much meat, I could form kidney stones because eating too much meat can increase Uric Acid levels.  Otherwise I think this along with eating lots of good leafy greens and a few nuts and good water is the best way for me to lose weight while I do strength training.

Any thoughts?  Agreee?  Have more info on Uric Acid and kidney stones in relation to meat consumption?

Also, what will I need to do to lose 1.5 - 2 lbs of fat per week?

Tom


Also, while 2 lbs weight loss per week IS doable (especially for a male), it should be the very OUTSIDE of what you aim to lose.  1 lb per week is a much better rate, and more likely to stay off over time.
Posted by: 1501 (Guest), Thursday, August 31, 2006, 9:27pm; Reply: 7
You can lose fat and build muscle at the same time...it's very much a myth that someone (and this is pretty much a girl mindset) should lose fat first, then build muscle. Look at it this way...the more muscle you have, the more calories (and fat) you are burning 24/7.

Tom is a male with a pretty good chunk of bodyfat at 31%. The only real way to reshape one's body is to build more muscle, not just lose fat. Cardio alone will just make him a flabby thin guy.

Laura
Posted by: Serena (Guest), Friday, September 1, 2006, 4:20am; Reply: 8
Rachel has a bit of a point though- I did just weights for a while, with little results. I NEED a lot of cardio. Swimming is usually enough strength training for my upper body while running is strength training enough for my legs. It's my torso that needs a little extra work. I've lost 40lbs in less than a year and I've been waaaay more consistent with the cardio than the  focused strength training.

Cardio is also good for the respiratory aspect that weight lifting can't compare to. Gotta find a personal balance. But, as far as strength training, I'm all for medicine balls and or free weights- not machines.
Posted by: 1501 (Guest), Friday, September 1, 2006, 11:03am; Reply: 9
Serena- I totally agree on the free weight preference. I feel that machines are probably easier for someone who has never lifted before, or for someone who doesn't have a lot of time (my gym pushes a "30-minute circuit workout"). But anyone who really wants to learn the right way should mainly use free weights. There is also a lot more involvement of "helper" muscles when free weights are used since there is no machine to do part of the work.

I do understand that for most people, there is a balance with both lifting and cardio.  But I look at most cardio as similar to driving a car for an hour..when you are done, you have burned X gallons of gas, but then you aren't burning any more. With weight training, you are not only burning gas while you are doing it, adding muscle lets you continue to burn more gas even while sleeping. Most cardio may firm up existing muscle but doesn't really add to it, or adds to it in very isolated spots (calves on runners for example).

Swimming I do feel is closer to lifting since there is so much resistance. I haven't really swam much since college (25 yrs ago!) but we've just finished a backyard pool (the water comes today!) so I hope to get back intot next spring.

Laura



Posted by: mikeo, Saturday, September 2, 2006, 11:25pm; Reply: 10
eating meat actually helps break down fat for O's . I would start a regimented exercise program or weights prgram at a local gym...It takes a lot to get O's off their expletive deleted to exercise but once in the grove there is no turning back for them...Just do it...whatever exercise it is..start slow and work your way up.

Try giving up starches and grains for a few weeks and then weight yourself. Also try to consume as much good protien for O's in the morning...will kick start your metabolic systems

as to the uric acid...buy some cherry juice and drink like three onces a day with water...
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 1:20pm; Reply: 11
I've just read this thread & see that different things worked for different folks.  Maybe Tom should do a variety of things & see which works.  It is said that too much weight lifting over the years is damaging to the body. There is the idea of bodyweight exercises that use your own body for the weight & are supposed to not be damaging. (mattfurey.com)
Walking is great if you can do no other.  I stayed at 150 (20% over, but not hungry all the time) while eating to satisfaction for several years, by walking as my major exercise.  Then I joined Curves & lost a little more.  When I got on the exercise ball, the weight came off without me trying. I am around 130 while eating enough to usually keep me satisfied.
I do think that variety is the best idea to protect your joints, to not get bored, & to find out what works for YOU!
As for diet, don't mix fruit with other foods!  If you eat it later in the day, eat it BEFORE the rest of the meal. I didn't eat much fruit until my mid-30s & now eat it first thing in the day. The vitamin C absorbs better, there's no stomach upset, & a big hunk of fiber is all together (& we Os need our fiber!)  I eat a lot of veggies, too.
I seem to need a lot of meat, but not monstrous amounts.  But there are Os who only need a little.  Try different things.  We are not all cookie cutter people!
Concentrate on building your health, not on the weight.  Years ago, I gave up on the weight.  Over the years, I finally found the answers to health, & then the weight came off.  I guess if I really try to 'diet' more, I could lose that last 10 pounds, but I'm fine for now.  I look better than I did the last time I weighed this much, even tho I have lost breast & 'butt' weight, so I must have more muscle weight.
Enjoy your adventure in health.  Avail yourself of this great support group known as the BTD Community!!!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 3:50pm; Reply: 12
::) it seems that Colostrum might be also an alternative....there are lots of goody-goodies in that it is mentioned here (in Switzerland) as a weightloss-aide :D

and I don't mind... I am going to try it...but with added Maca ;) (dance)(smarty)(whistle) :B
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