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Posted by: OSuzanna, Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 12:00pm
I'd like to explore the subject of connections between wheat &/or grains and mental/emotional effects. Relevance to O's not required. Any and all reading suggestions, links, anecdotes will be appreciated.
It's incredible how much I have learned through this website (has it been six months already?!) Incredible improvements going on "regular" BTD, then even more after ditching Nonnie no-no's. Onward & upward, folks!
I'm going to work, now, but will be checking in over the next days/weeks.
Thanks in advance of all replies, your loyal bud, OSuzanna. :K)
P.S. Nearly all of my adult family members (a tribe of O's) now own copies of one or both of Dr. D's first 2 books b/c of the stunning improvements they've seen in me, and are making their first tentative forays into the BTD world. My sister even used the word "compliant" at dinner the other night! I almost fell out of my chair!  ;) ;D
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 12:08pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from osuzanna
. Nearly all of my adult family members (a tribe of O's) now own copies of one or both of Dr. D's first 2 books b/c of the stunning improvements they've seen in me, and are making their first tentative forays into the BTD world.


What a good example you are for your family OSuzanna!!!  :)    So glad for you that you have so many family members on board. It is very hard to watch those you love killing themselves w/ what they eat isn't it.  :-/


Quoted from osuzanna
.  My sister even used the word "compliant" at dinner the other night! I almost fell out of my chair!  ;) ;D


LOL!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

On to the ? at hand. I can say from a personal standpoint, that wheat definitely has a bad mental/emotional effect. Last Oct/Nov I was diagnosed clinically depressed and of course the dr wanted to give me the "magic" pills. Whatever! He refused to do blood tests to see where all my levels were as well. Needless to say, he was history from that visit on. I went home, cleaned up my diet and got back to taking my adrenal meds as I should. Within a week, I was fine and have been since.  :)

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm#2
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 12:34pm; Reply: 2
Hi Suzanna and Pat,
there are several connections on diet and autism via the hormon secretin, as Dr D. wrote in this syte.
A lot of cases of schizofrenia gluten and casein related ( with gluten and casein free diet a huge recovery and with a new ingestion again sick) have been diagnosed by Sheinkin , Schachter and Hutton  and reported in the book "The food connection" when working for the Veterans Administration.
Dr D wrote in this Forum also of a wheat and red meat connection for As with bipolar disorder.
I have read in Pubmed that, with leaky gut or celiac disease, casein, gluten and other proteins to avoid arrive in the brain ad result in gluteomorphins, caseomorphins and so on like in drug abuse.
Look for Dr D opinions in this syte !
Gluten made only me tired after lunch, but for someone can be venom !

Best regards Maria Giovanna
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 12:40pm; Reply: 3
I've also read that copper toxicity can cause mental illness.
Thanks for the info Maria :-)
Posted by: yaman, Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 12:51pm; Reply: 4
Hello Suzanna,

You can see a connection in the following link:

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000217.htm

cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: apositive, Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 1:23pm; Reply: 5
Ooooh . . . my favorite subject!  Before I read ER4YT, I cut back on wheat when I started low-carbing.  Subsequently, I eliminated it because that was the recommendation of one author to help prevent recurrence of fibroids.  Since then, I have been back on it (travelling, holidays . . . ) and off it quite a number of times.  No excuses, just to say that I am certain of the impact wheat has on me independent of other factors.  The most amazing to discover was the impact on my mood.  I am much more prone to depression and am just more touchy and less able to deal with the "bumps" in the road of life when I am eating wheat.  I have GI track issues, too, and wheat definitely doesn't help them; and some have theorized about the tie between GI track issues and mood issues.

I'd love to know how many people could drop the SSRIs and other anti-Ds if they simply just cut out wheat.

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 1:40pm; Reply: 6
about O's and wheat....might create so called *indole* = toxic and this goes up into brain= :P :P :P-feelings after until (disappointed)(disappointed)(disappointed)(disappointed)(disappointed)

and lacks of magnesium & B'vitamins and other stuffies ;D
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 9:46pm; Reply: 7
Found an interesting article on line while googling food combining.

http://www.maui.net/~jms/boost.html

It explains why supper charges me up and a grain breakfast puts me to sleep.  I do take an SSRI for depression which runs in my family.  There have been times that I have been so down, I did not even have the energy to make anything to eat, for days at a time. Guess what I would eat--that's right--wheat cereal with milk, especially frosted shredded wheat, YUMMY.  I wonder how I ever got back on track after days of that!!! Even then, I had a tiny voice in my head suggesting that it was the cereal keeping me down, but I was to down to make anything else.  What a merri-go-round.  

This is a great subject!! I am excited to read what others have found.  Sandy O
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 10:22pm; Reply: 8
Sandy,
go out and exercise on a regular basis! )
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Thursday, August 24, 2006, 12:30am; Reply: 9
Just started walking this week with my daugher.  She also goes to curves 3 times a week and wants me to go with her.  So I will be doing that soon also.  We just redid all the landscaping and did alot of gardening this year.  Exercise is awesome to help with weight loss, increased energy, decrease depression, ect. But it is not an instant cure for clinical depression. It is just one of many variables that effect it. So together with the BTD and encouragement from those around me, I am praying for some real changes  :)  Sandy O
Posted by: ieatmeatnlikeit, Friday, August 25, 2006, 3:43am; Reply: 10
This is an interesting topic! I've heard from many different sources about swings in moods so to speak and diet. Wheat specifically has not made headlines but I think there are subtle changes to be detected and when I read the responses to this thread so far I felt it might be alright to mention something out of the way back distant past before written history. There are so many veiws about how things came to be the way they are and the BTD puts some of the issues in perspective for me certainly. I don't want to hijack this thread so what I'll say for now is I'm adding wheat to the list of usual suspects in the breakdown of mutual human understanding on the planet. War, and violence in general, has many roots. Perhaps among them is a waving grain.
Iemnli
Posted by: italybound, Friday, August 25, 2006, 11:36am; Reply: 11
Quoted from ieatmeatnlikeit
. I don't want to hijack this thread so what I'll say for now is I'm adding wheat to the list of usual suspects in the breakdown of mutual human understanding on the planet. War, and violence in general, has many roots. Perhaps among them is a waving grain.Iemnli


Maybe start a new thread on the subject. :-)
If you do, would you mention here what you titled it. Thanks
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, August 26, 2006, 9:39pm; Reply: 12
Just scampering thru..... Thanks, guys, for the reponses!
Posted by: ieatmeatnlikeit, Sunday, August 27, 2006, 5:42pm; Reply: 13
A new thread....Hmmmm, How about:
'The Four Pyramids; Diet for an Angry Planet' ?
Iemnli
Posted by: resting, Sunday, August 27, 2006, 6:04pm; Reply: 14
Hi folks,

this is HUGE ... I've seen very convincing war stuff related to sugar, spices, salt and alcohol ....

mood alteration in essential fatty acids is the subject of 'Essential Fatty Acids in Immunity and Mental Health'

John
Posted by: PattiB (Guest), Sunday, August 27, 2006, 6:30pm; Reply: 15
Hi Everyone
Just wanted to add my own personal experience. I have suffered from anxiety for about 6 years, and taken anti-depressants on and off for 4 of those.

For the most part my anxiety was just a little more than normal, but at times I would have a severe attack and be put back on med's (I hated needing med's, but welcomed sanity).

Well I started the BTD about 1 month ago, and a couple of weeks ago I decided to venture off the med's so far with no consequence. I have also noticed my moods are evening out and I can handle situations in a calmer manner.

Is this wheat related? I'm leaning towards yes. I was always a huge bread eater. Anyway I'm not willing to go back and try wheat again to find out.

I feel more peaceful and calm now and have much more energy than ever before!

Thank you Dr.D !!!!!!!!!

Patti
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 27, 2006, 7:31pm; Reply: 16
don t forget your exercise, also! )
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Sunday, August 27, 2006, 7:56pm; Reply: 17
My son who is gluten intolerant definitely HAD behavioral issues when he was ingesting gluten.  He was very ADHD, with many autistic-like symptoms.  It was very scary to see him this way when we started taking him off of the allergy meds he was taking at the time.  It was like he came out of a trance into a child we had never known before.  It was so scary.  That's when I found out about the gluten, and I am so thankful I did.  My husband's brother is a diagnosed schizophrenic and ALL he wants to eat is pizza, bread, cheese and milk, all of which are super no-no's for him.  It is so sad to see him this way, and I think my hubby has gluten issues, being it makes him more depressive and his attention span is very short.  He says he definitely feels better without it himself.  So, there is definitely a genetic link.  I think wheat/gluten caused inflammation and pain in my body, along with the dairy, resulting in fibromyalgia in me, along with past Crohn's.  

Some time I want to get tested for the celiac gene and have my family tested as well.  I think this thing is very genetically-linked.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, August 27, 2006, 10:08pm; Reply: 18
Here's something that never occured to me - a friend recently mentioned that primates, for the most part, do NOT eat grains! I never thought of that before...
Posted by: resting, Sunday, August 27, 2006, 11:47pm; Reply: 19
We are the only species that cook and we are the sole fish-eating primates.  [This latter difference some believe is responsible for our intellect and brain-maturation.]

John
Posted by: italybound, Monday, August 28, 2006, 2:10am; Reply: 20
Quoted from PattiB
I have also noticed my moods are evening out and I can handle situations in a calmer manner.
Is this wheat related? I'm leaning towards yes.


I find wheat affects my moods alot. It can set in depression AND make me crabby among other things.  :'(

Tina, your son had autistic like symptoms when he was consuming gluten and the symptoms went away when you took it out of his diet?  I've read this connection before and know someone w/ an autistic child. Would like to pass on info from a personal experience rather than something I just read.  :)
Posted by: Stormy, Monday, August 28, 2006, 2:44pm; Reply: 21
Wheat throws me into a tailspin - I become tired, lose energy, go into brain fog and become hugely emotionally sensitive, and the then can become quite rageful without much provocation.  :B

Sugar, on the other hand, makes me quite despondent and suicidal - a huge no-no for me.

I'm seeing the emotional connection between balanced blood sugar levels and balanced hormonal levels . . . when I eat wheat, corn, potatoes or sugar  (those are the ones so far), I can go from a state of pure peace and contentment into a really awful place that I get quite lost in.

Hormonally, when I'm not taking the herbs that are helpful, I can experience some of the above.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, August 28, 2006, 3:36pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Debbie
Sugar, on the other hand, makes me quite despondent and suicidal - a huge no-no for me.


I think sugar is a big no-no for me too, thus why I say at times, I wonder if my secretor test is correct. Maybe someday I'll get it redone.
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 12:57am; Reply: 23
Yes, taking gluten out of the diet does help autism.  Mainly taking gluten and casein out of the diet, casein of course being dairy.  Please tell her to at least try it, get her son tested for gluten intolerance IGg blood test, called gliadin.  It is mostly a leaky gut issue, connected to the brain, but gluten and casein are the two big culprits.  Have also read that raw cultured milk, like kefir, helps autistic children though.  Just the raw, not pasteurized.  Probably the type B's.

If she wants to email me, she can, or you can email me personally.  Hope this helps.

Posted by: 107 (Guest), Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 12:57am; Reply: 24
What kind of sugar are you talking about?  All kinds, even fruits?

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 1:32am; Reply: 25
the sugar that s on your avoid list........being a nonnie, you do have very few options.....
the fruit on your beneficial and neutral list is fine, as long as you can tolerate it individually....
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 6:49am; Reply: 26
Currently reading Dangerous Grains by James Braly, MD, and Ron Hoggan, MA.... Wow! Though they don't seem to have understood the blood type connection, and the writing sometimes leans to the inflammatory, what they discuss fits very well with Dr. D's stuff and observations on this site, particularly vitamin, mineral, etc. deficiencies caused by consumption of wheat & other gluten sources. I hope the info in this book is as well-researched as Dr. D's info (but I guess not, since they missed the blood type connection!) so I can trust &/or believe most of what they say. (Reading it with a grain of sea salt, just in case!) At least, so far, it makes tons of sense to me, as well as reinforcing Dr. D's good works.
Posted by: frydaze (Guest), Monday, September 11, 2006, 11:59pm; Reply: 27
Well, I started the BTD in force this past week. That is to say I am very wheat conscious.  During the same week I developed a "problem" that has been deemed hormonal.  I know the two are not linked, but I am hoping that the BTD clears it up soon!
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, September 17, 2006, 3:49am; Reply: 28
good luck w/that, frydaze, I find the further I stay away from grains, the better I feel... (not that I'm so *good* all the time!) ;)
Posted by: 546 (Guest), Monday, September 18, 2006, 3:31am; Reply: 29
This is 3 or 4 hand but the facts still remain. My sister's friend's mom was severly depressed. To the point of wanting to drive infront of every semi on the road. She had several kids so she never did. She quit eating wheat and was no longer plagued by depression.
As to the 'genetic' comments, blood type is genetic so of course reactions to various foods would/could be genetic. Kelly
Posted by: OSuzanna, Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 4:58pm; Reply: 30
Kelly- re: genetics - yep-  I was yelling *blood type!* *blood type!* in frustration whilst reading the book! ::) I also believe the 3d or 4th -hand story of depression!
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