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Posted by: EquiPro, Sunday, August 6, 2006, 3:43pm
It looks pretty strong that an AB is going to move into this household of Type O's.  She is 14 years old, and has had no exposure to the BTD, save what she has seen around here.  I have not gone out of my way to do anything for her diet, as she has just been a visitor for the most part.

Now it is pretty sure that she will be moving in, and I want to make our Type O household work for her.  

I have been working my way through the typebase, as you can see in my blog today, and am starting to formulate a food plan of action.  It might take a while to get her onto the program, and beef is going to be an issue, but I think that, beef aside, we can make things work.

I can't find my LR4YT, and might go and get another copy, but in the meantime, can people please post the basics of the AB personality with respect to exercise and lifestyle?

This child is extremely smart, driven and competative. She is very mature for her age in many, many ways, but is also immature (as so many teenagers are).  She does dance a couple of times per week, and has the regular school exercise.

Any input would be great.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, August 6, 2006, 7:18pm; Reply: 1
::)ooooh I love smarties;) :K)
hope she's not an A2B nooooonie;) ;D :D   aaaannnddd please be aware...we are NOT splitted- we only fell sometimes alike ;) the better term for this is: ambivalente :D

Perhaps you get some enziantincture for her to get her stomachacidities higher....or she might take some Histidin before food-avoid any carbonated beverages ::) (rrrright :D )

now for the importantest no-no's ::)  : -chicken,corn,buckwheat,lima beans & kidney beans :o


meats:                                  sechis'        & non-sechis'  :D
all from pigies = no-no
chicken           = "    "
duck               = "    "
grouse            = "    "
galoppa's        =  "   "    (horse)
partridge         = "   "
quail                ="    "
squab              = "    "
squirrel            = "   "
turtle               = "   "
beef                = "   "
buffalo             = "   "
goose              =  "   "
veal                 =  "  "


Benes & Neutral meats forrr US :D

Turkey           =benef.
Lamb              = sechis = neutral         & non-sechis = benef.
Mutton            =   "            "                     "                  "
Rabbit             =   "            "                     "                  "

Liver (calf)       = neutral                         neutral
Ostrich             =  "                                  "
Pheasant          =   "                                 "



ha.....WE do have our own little list...the A2B 's

Fishes, only the benefs &neutrals....ok??) ook....
Mackerel  = for both benef.
Red Snapper= for both fenebicial :D
Mahimahi ??) oups = benef. for both  (whats that ...please)::)
Salmon = for both benef.
Sardine:for both benef.
Shad= for both benef.
snails= :D a new fish in here :X....for both benefs.
rainbowtrout= only neutral for nonnies
trouta normale= dito
Tuna=for both benef.
Cod=for both benef.
Grouper= "     "
Monkfish= "     "
Pickerel=  "     "
Pike     =  "     "
Porgy   =  "     "     (without Bess :'( ) ;)
Sailfish =  "     "
Sturgeon= "    "



Eggs:3-4 for sechi's (weekly)   & for non-sechis' = 3-6 weekly - for caucasians' :D
dairies: sechis' = 3-6 weekly, nonnies=0-4 weekly

Goat cheese: sechis'= benef....nonnies=neutral
Kefir:               "           "           "          benef.
Mozzarella        "           "           "           "
Riccotta            "           "           "           "
Yogi's               "           "           "          neutral
farmer ch.        "           "            "         benef.
cottage             "           "           "           "
Feta ch.            "           "           "           "
goat milk          "           "           "           "
sour cream       "           "           "            "
ghee                "           neutral   "          benef.


Beans & Legumes:
green lentils= for both benefs.
Pinto beans  =    dito
soy,miso     =sechis'= benef.        non-sechis' = neutral
"   tempeh   = "             "                  "                 "
navy beans=   "            "                   "                 "
soy beans  =   "            "                   "                 "
soy,tofu     =   "            "                   "                 "



The AVOID'S here are:adzuki b., blackb.,black-eyedb.,garbanzob.,kidney's,limab.,mungsb.Favab. only an avoid for sechis' :D-all the rest is only neutral for both.....

Nuts & Seeds :
AVOIDS:filbert,poppy seeds,pumkin seeds,sesame seeds&tahini,sunflower seeds&butter,pistache for nonnies,brazil nut for nonnies'cashew for nonnies'

Grains & Starches:
be careful with AB nonnies & complex carbs :o
avoids:artichoke pasta,buckwheat(kasha),corn(all colours),cornmeal,popcorn,soba noodles,sorghum,
tapioca,teff,kamut,soy fl.for nonnies',wheat.

Vegetables:
if she adores red bell peppers she might be a nonnie :D and she may have em ;D&tomatoes

avoids:arabic gum,aloe tea&juice,artichoke,black olives,green,yellow,jalapeno peppers',radish,
rhubarbe,caper,chili pepper,abalone musi's,shitake mushi'scayenne peppers,all kind of pickles',
agar only for nonnies'juniper for nonnies', all the rest ir or benef. or neutral :D oups,sorry forgot that poi is also an avoid only for US the royals ;)

Frutas':
avoids:avocados',bananas,bitter melons',dewberries',guava,persimmon,pomegranate,prickly pears',quinces',sago palms',coconut(A2B=neutral  :o ;D :D ;D :) :) :) :K) 8)^^bounties are sometimes toooo yummiii;) :D )  mangos',oranges',starfruits,cantaloupe only for nonnies',tangerine only for nonnies'.

Oils:  best for all of us is oloveoil & walnutoil

Herbs,spices & condiments:
no-nos:
almond extr.,anise,aspartame,barley malt,carrageenan,cornsyrup,cornstarcg,dextrose,fructose,gelatin plain,guar gum,guarana,ketchup,maltodextrin,pepper,pickles relish,vinegars',worcestershiresauce,allspice,MSG,maplesyrup for nonnies'.

exercises: hmmm for nonnies' :-/ ::) or for sechis ;)
2 days of calming exercises &3 days with aerobic :P  stretching & meditation =yup :D
no violence nowhere please...not at the phone-nor TV-nor radio-even in music please more calming and gentle musics than rock or similarities ::) and no competitive exposures thats' very :P ;)

hope this helps.... :K) good luck



p.s.
must admit something...as I've seen today my sister in old Teutonia, she got her 50. birthday, so far ..... hmmmm we are really completely different- she's a sechi and me an A2B non-sechi ::) completely different in psyche & bodyshapement :D ;D
Posted by: EquiPro, Sunday, August 6, 2006, 7:33pm; Reply: 2
Thanks, Isa.  I'm going to start working on all of this.

I'm thinking of ordering secretor status tests for myself (I want to retest when the weather isn't so hot), my own daughter and this girl.  Might as well get it done!  Maybe for hubby, too, although he just goes along.
Posted by: girly, Sunday, August 6, 2006, 9:02pm; Reply: 3
Thanks Isa,
That list helped me out too...
Rachel...
Speaking from another AB ( I'm 36 not a teenager !!) Keep perrier water with Agave necter and lemon juice around...awesome alternative to "Pop"
I also have a real hard time with Beef...I love it...Maybe get some deflect for when she does it it (and it's not as bad as chicken for her)...As for Turkey..I would definately roast a whole Turkey when you can..the dark meat satisfies like beef somehow.Good luck and keep blogging to let us know how it's going....
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, August 6, 2006, 9:37pm; Reply: 4
::) aaand perhaps is she also able to look around...beyond ;) :D....she will remark every faultiv speech and possible even thoughts...I guess ::) ;D :D ;)
NT's have all the same problem; we are much too directly in talkings and we don't want to harm anybody; but in our sometimes a bit rude form of talking, it might be,that it happens ::)  so I apologize in advance ;) it depends if her N-sider is working into the sphaera or if her T-side is muchmore developed but interieure...remember..you'll deal with the servant but the General is à l'interieure ;D :D
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, August 7, 2006, 2:21am; Reply: 5
I noticed in your blog you talked about beef being a staple of your household, and burgers are a great food for your daughter.  Maybe you could make up some burgers for the AB made with 1/2 and 1/2 ground turkey and lamb keeping them in the freezer until needed.  Delicious and compliant.  The ground turkey would help lower the cost of the ground lamb.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Monday, August 7, 2006, 4:23am; Reply: 6
Twenty years ago, when I first found out that I'm allergic to beef (how appropriate for an A!), I just switched to lamb.  In addition to buying ground lamb, I had the butcher cut a leg of lamb into 1"-thick slices.  Then when everyone else was having (beef) steak, I'd enjoy a nice lamb round-steak.
Posted by: eh, Monday, August 7, 2006, 7:18am; Reply: 7


Competitive, you say? Smart and driven?
Yep.

May I also add:
shy and curious;
gregarious and retiring;
refined and earthy;
enthusiastic and enervated;
a vulnerable carapace;
the extrovert-hermit;
an affable foe;
come out and play!

lamb loving, sun worshipping, eternally youthful, narcissistic nature girl;
sick of my own voice; crisis of confidence; "do you think I'm beautiful and smart?";

lumpy and anaemic;
hairy or not;
poetic, inspirational, nostalgic, ironic, sardonic
brilliantly banal balladeers eg "...where are you now, it's time to milk the cow."(madge, age 11)

inoffensive and inspirational;
intellectual and affronted by poor fashion sense;
Stress Kills Us.
Intense.


(Isa, is that you? It's me, madge! I'm back in Australia. Let's play!)

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 7, 2006, 8:45am; Reply: 8
(dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(smarty)(smarty)(smarty)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)(think)(whistle)(whistle)(whistle)(whistle) :-/ :o :B 8) :) ;) :P :P ;D :D ;D :D ;D :X ??) ::) ::) :( :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K)

:B :B :B is thaaaat meeee......;D :D =  jaaaaaa a little bit, only no narcistic behaviours :-/ :o, are you an infp??) with a big T-side??)

meee, a foolish oldy, Garfield loving, please as abstrous and obvious as possible ::)
iNTp ..ooookkkkk...lets play together :D ;D :D (dance)(clap)(dance)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 7, 2006, 8:51am; Reply: 9
sooooooooo sooorry MADL ;D a very warm welcome on board :D :K)


and sorry ::) I guess you are an (E)- iNTj ::) huh??) :o :B 8)
Posted by: eh, Monday, August 7, 2006, 11:31am; Reply: 10
I haven't done the personality test in ages. Every time I did it in the past I came up with something a little different.  I guess that's an AB trait, no? In any case, I don't recall the results.


It's been over a year since I've been online, (sorry I had to eat and run last year) .... the shipping container full of all our worldly goods was misshandled in the UK. We flew to Sydney but our house was shipped to New Zealand instead of Australia. We were reunited belatedly. By gosh I've missed your warm, effusive and downright appropriately excessive posts, Isa. Unbelievable. By the way, why are you called Tomatillo now? (And how do I do smilies?. This post feels naked without a smiley.)

It's good to be back on board btw.

eh
Posted by: Lola, Monday, August 7, 2006, 3:03pm; Reply: 11
instead of using the 'quick reply' button, use the 'reply' button at the bottom of the post...
this takes you to all the smilies and more options.

you say you re poetic? ;)
take a look at this thread and share your poetic skills with us!!  lol
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=rost,v=display,m=1137906050,s=0
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 7, 2006, 3:58pm; Reply: 12
o :o :o :o oooooh wooooooooooooooooow IT'S YYYYYOOOOUUUUU Madge, my dear friend MADGE
who just flew away like a little birdy and ciao away she was without any  care forrrr us ..huh...nothing heared between ... :P ::) the lady of the European trip??)
Hey Maaadl I missed you too,  :K) :K) :K)
I felt a bit this way but I wasn't sure that it is really YOU :K) ;D :D (dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(whistle)(sunny)(sunny) :o :B 8) ;)
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


GUYS    and GALS'


M A D G E  IS BAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKKKK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what
a good feeling having gottten back ONE of US...... but if I remember well, you are a sechi...huh??)

Hey Madl, tell us from your journeys, I am listening ::) won't say anything anymore...just listening to your storries :D ;D (dance)(pray)(sunny)(smarty)(clap)(dance) :D ;D :D ;D :D :D :D :D................:D
sorry didn't remember what was meant with eh??)

Dearle, my holistic name now is not Tomatillo...sorry :o :B I am a woman,,,, so ad at the end an a!!!!!! :D ;D  and why, because we changed just for fun, and my hairs have been once as red as a tomatoe, now a bit more brownies in, but *Tomatilla* is
a nice name for me, tomatoes are for us the royals a benef :D and have a look,the
Cockepelli is also on board :D and it fits her amazingly ;D ;) :D too ;D :D
also a redhead :D
aannndd my name is Tomatilla I likewise Isa the 3.th ;)....because of the royalness ::) :P  :-/ :o :B 8) and it is really true I am the first tomatilla but the 3d. Isa,,,,,,hi-hi-hiiiii in my family  ;D 8)
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, August 7, 2006, 4:10pm; Reply: 13
Why... hello Madge, eh?  ;)


So nice to see you back in these parts...


:D
Posted by: Raquel, Monday, August 7, 2006, 6:15pm; Reply: 14
Great list, Isa!!!!!!
and Isa dou you know some good recipe dessert for AB non. , I don't like Stevia it's bitter , I used with recipe muffins or cake  :X HORRIBLE tasted!!!!

Lola mis caritas no me funcionan???? >:( :'(


ps. ahora sí!!!! ;)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 7, 2006, 8:50pm; Reply: 15
hallöööle Raquel, sister of my right or left-side ??) ;) :D hm...yuppers Peter marked it stevia is a no-no for us ::) tried it also but very :P
about desserts hmm just some joghurt nature & berries, did you tried once this famous sweetener named ::) yech just gone out of my head....it is very volatile in its taste and...::) omG...forgot it :o it is a sort of alcohol-ester named.....:B:X.......?
can't help that much because I don't like so much those sweet thingies and because of my nonniebeing I don't eat that much grains, flours or cakes ...so :-/ muchmore fruits, fresh fruits are awesome for sugarcravings :D sorry don't know much more ::) :B
Posted by: Don, Monday, August 7, 2006, 8:56pm; Reply: 16
Isa, are your thinking about vegetable glycerin? Or what about agave nectar for baking and other desserts?
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 7, 2006, 9:08pm; Reply: 17
MoDon you are such a sweety...yup clarro vegly ;D :D (dance)(clap) :K)

ooo...oooo even  :B more supps for my brain :-/ ::)
Posted by: eh, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 12:42am; Reply: 18
Dear Lola, is that you?

You know, I find it remarkably easy to write bad poetry. Thanks heaps! kisses to you aplenty. I'm gonna take you up on that offer. btw wot do you think of the lovely line "where are you now, it's time to milk the cow?"
eh madge
Posted by: girly, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 1:49am; Reply: 19
Dear God, the AB's are coming back.......
Posted by: eh, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 1:53am; Reply: 20
Kristin, BABE!!!!!!!!!! How are you? It's so lovely to hear your voice again. I never told you this but your posts have a calming and soothing effect on me. Like cool water on my brow. (Go figure.) In my mind you are the figure of Temperance (you know, um, the Tarot cards.....ahem...). Beautiful. I'm sooooo glad you're still here.

Isa, Isa, Isa, Isa, Isa....Tomatilla....
Isa, love, I was so sad you didn't recognise me IMMEDIATELY!!! The clue was in my line beginning, "It's me". Dead give away, in my mind!

Did I say I was slightly narcissistic?

Listen, I shan't waste Equipro's time/thread talking about myself and how tremendous it is to be back in the warm embrace of my fellow btders and how much I missed you all and how when I thought of you I would be suffused with this inexplicable sense of loss and longing, ... I'll post something on my travels some time soon, somewhere....but just briefly.....and then I'll be done....just want to say very quickly that I miss Europe terribly especially since I spent 3 years there struggling with my homesickness for Australia and in that time I sprouted an internal strip of emotional velcro that enabled me to attach myself to the English countryside, to the sheep, the cows, the bluebells, the canals, the red kite, the grey skies,  the gloom, the rain, the interminable dimness, the cold, the cold and the wet, the cold, wet and grey gloominesss...and then suddenly I'm back here and the sun is hurting my eyes and it is stinging my skin, my skin which has become like a white sheet that is less than two hundred thread count (one's pores remain visible, alas) and the miracle of miracles is that I can now dry my washing outside and it actually does go dry, no not damp dry but dry dry and I find myself entranced by the sight of my drying washing. It's the middle of winter, for god's sake! I am mesmerised by the surreal vison of drying clothes OUTSIDE. It's blowing my mind, and ..darn, there's someone at the door...back soon..

love
madge eh
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 3:51am; Reply: 21
lol......
was it the person to milk the cow??  
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 9:50am; Reply: 22
:B :X :B sorry Madge- I was a bit confused because I thought it was the reply of EP's girlie ::) .....
can you forgive me please (pray)(pray)(pray)(pray)(pray)(pray)(think)(sunny)(whistle)
perhaps it was a bit a little revenge for not having posted ONE word to US...on the board when you've been in Europe and whats' about this huh??) UK is just one hour far of Swicherlandli, WE the Swich, do have more than one airport in this little bloody country and I'd be glad to have picke U up anywhere here  in this little country ::)
And there was moire than one possibility to get a bed right on here ::) ;)....even AB-foods is possible to get :o :o so far :'( RANT over ;D :D
Madl- glad that you are back :K) :K) :K)
does it mean to milk the cow=  melken ??) :D ;D by hand....and not the torro :o :-/ :D
Posted by: eh, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 10:59am; Reply: 23
My Dearest, Most Irresistible  Isa!

yes, you milk the cow ...not the toro! That would be like ..um...handling the toro's sweetmeats. ....don't go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Isa Isa ...I'm so so sorry I didn't say ciao to you  ....when I said my goodbyes to the board in 2004 you were conferencing in the US ...and well, things just snowballed for us. I was soooooooo tired during the cleaning and packing and moving ....I get palpitations just thinking about it. But I never forgot you and I solemnly vowed to myself that I would contact you again and here I am....sure, it's a year later, and yes, I am a bit sheepish, and also more than a little bit contrite but I am genuinely, sincerely, over the moon, happy to be reunited with you.     :K) :D

I would fly to you in Switzerland in a jiffy!

Forgive me?  :'(

mad eh
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 11:49am; Reply: 24
::) I am completly resistible ;) ;D :D but not the smilies (dance)(dance)(dance)(whistle)(sunny)
and no dearle, you said ciao to everybody last year- you went away before WE did go to the conference..... :) no probs. for that  :)..oups what is a jiffy??) sounds nice :D
A2 is rencunière, but B is tougher ;) = all forgiven :K)
Posted by: Raquel, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 12:00pm; Reply: 25
Isa, you are very funny ;D....... "MUY CHISTOSA" (Spanish)

I 'm eating less carb and sweet since I know that I non. But , I'm looking good tasted recipe cake or muffins spelt for my son, I'll try now with agave syrup or glycerin veg. !!! Lola told me about  agave syrup before.... I hope that it'll working for baking...
:K)

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 1:31pm; Reply: 26
dear Racheli :K) and yes it will work, no probs..if not with agave syrup you'll gona try the vegly...this works for sure- I did this too, until I stopped completely those carbs because of my *little*weight :o
and also here we are very similar to the O's as I see it now- but we have more probs. to get into
ketosis, here its furthermore a form of hypoglyc. which WE, the royals are experimenting :P :P so far so bad forrr US ;) because I think those 20% or even 15% of daily carbintake..WE do need ::)
Posted by: EquiPro, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 3:06pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
(dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(smarty)(smarty)(smarty)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)(think)(whistle)(whistle)(whistle)(whistle) :-/ :o :B 8) :) ;) :P :P ;D :D ;D :D ;D :X ??) ::) ::) :( :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K) :K)

:B :B :B is thaaaat meeee......;D :D =  jaaaaaa a little bit, only no narcistic behaviours :-/ :o, are you an infp??) with a big T-side??)

meee, a foolish oldy, Garfield loving, please as abstrous and obvious as possible ::)
iNTp ..ooookkkkk...lets play together :D ;D :D (dance)(clap)(dance)


I'm sorry, Isa, but I have absolutely no idea - none at all - what you are saying and what this has to do with the thread.  I'm not trying to be mean here, but I just don't get so many of your posts, and it's not about your English, because sometimes I really DO get what you are saying.

Since I'm really trying to get some insight into "typical" (and I know there is no such thing) AB emotional needs, I really could use some help.

I have a grip on the food part of the AB world, but in some thread (I think that it was the "Bloody Family"), there was kind of an insinuation that AB's like to go off on their own and kind of flit from here to there.  I'm already bringing a teenager into my house, which is sort of like saying that I am bringing a Martian to live with me, and if her AB-ness adds to this "alien" sort of behavior ("alien" to a family of O's), then I want to know how it is that an AB might be different, view things differently and have different emotional and physical needs from an O.

My daughter is all Type O.  You might as well put her picture, along with her physical need for lots of exercise and her stong, demanding personality, along the Type O description.

This child, with whom I am very close (the AB) is very different from my daughter.  She is very competative on one hand, but laid back about other things on the other.  She can be extremely child-like one moment, and like the most grounded, mature adult you have ever met the next.  She is super smart and driven, yet relaxed and laid back.

I'm trying to figure out what her best exercise routine would be.  She dances several times per week, but should she also be encouraged to go with me to the healthclub?  Should she start to do aerobics and lift weights with me, or should she be allowed to stay at home and be alone while I am doing these things.

I get the whole sugar thing.  It's not something I'm going to worry about  at this point.  While I appreciate your posts, Isa, so many of the times I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and I just pass over them.  I don't get the whole use of all of the smilies and it just further confuses me.

I could really use some simple, clear insight into what goes with being an AB, regardless of the "INFP/ whatever" stuff.  I need less info on the diet - after all, I can look this up on the typebase and the books - and more help on who type AB people are.

Please - clear help is needed here.  She will be moving in this month.

Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 5:27pm; Reply: 28
Rachel,
I'm going to be out for a few hours, but when I get back, I'll send you some brief overviews from my LR4YT book.  
If anyone else wants to give EquiPro a hand, I suggest that we each type up a few things that we see as highlights from the type AB chapter, even if we aren't AB's.

My brother is an AB, (not interested in the BTD) and he has always been an enigma to me.  He says he's a meat lover, and loves a meal with roast and vegetables.  However, I notice that he also is equally happy if he has tofu and veggies, or a carton of yogurt.  The emphasis for him seems to be on the vegetables, which he loves and seems to require in large quantities.  He also loves yogurt, although milk, he says, makes him sick.  He loves salmon, turkey burgers, venison and steak. . not all of which are BTD compliant, but just giving you a personality profile.

He is an AVID hiker!  He walks 5 fast miles on his lunch break.  He has a Nordi trak in his bedroom, and his wife jokingly complains that it gets more attention than she does.  He also does floor exercises daily and takes many long backpacking trips yearly.  

More when I have a moment.
Posted by: EquiPro, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 5:43pm; Reply: 29
Thanks!   As I said, I have misplace or loaned out all of my larger BTD books (still have the pocket stuff around here somewhere), so that would help me.

I appreciate any and all insights, ESPECIALLY with regards to an AB teenage girl!
Posted by: 1470 (Guest), Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 6:26pm; Reply: 30
hello, i'm an ab and seem to fit the ab type.  I know i'm different than most people, maybe a little weird but that could also be the nonnie thing....I don't know.    I also love to compete in sports (I race mountain bikes profesionally) but at the same time I long to not be competitve.  I'm very laid back and easy going.  I'm caring, emotional, did i so emotional i mean very emotional.   I'm empathetic, strong willed, and very passionate about things i believe in.  I really don't like to be by myself but i long to do my OWN thing, if that makes any sense.  
I change my mind constantly, have many ups and downs that can change from one minute to the next.
well that is a little about me.  i'm not a teenager but a 26 yr old who feels like a little kid.  if you have any other question i'll try to help the best i can.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 7:05pm; Reply: 31
:-/ sorry EquiPro...ok.. there are several points in our AB-being that might be very different; me allmost silly and funseeking ::) ....no mor competition at all because here lays a key for no-interaction because
it might become a trigger.....ok-here we go:
the foolish-lazy...but sharp minded highly competitive in thinking......but all kinds of bodyactivities
evitating iNTp like me, thinks almostly in pictures....all comes and is converted in pictures, thatswhy we seek, I guess, a bit of more of abstract ideas, because the big overvue is done here; means clearsightened....sometimes a bit too much yes I know .....but we have to learn how to deal with this (B-side-actions :D )

iNTj muchmore the real thinker of being *THE MASTERMIND* more prone to all physical activities,the
real gem of research of all kinds and hard worker for his life.....what's not for iNTp...we are more prone to be the *play-mobiles* :D
so far dear EP I think perhaps some pages to read in Keirsey's or Riso's would help to enlight the situation.....
must be honest with you, often those smilies are only used to get away from stressfull situations ,
so far just right as you took those things not that serious but I can't be angry with somebody, so I take those smilies to show up how I do really feel it's a form of converter :D or better said ventile??)
hmmm
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 9:21pm; Reply: 32
Some ways AB's differ from O's:

low stomach acid production
lack of enzyme, intestinal alkaline phosphatase
tend toward high LDL cholesterol
difficulty breaking down fat
high levels of blood clotting factors

General stuff:
Cautions::
low antibody IgA level . . susceptible to ear and respiratory infections and GI infections
low antibody IgE levels . . susceptible to asthma and allergies
Need attention to strengthening immune function, NK cell activity

Potential Mind/body imbalances:
can be overly reactive in stressful situations
can feel engry and alienated from others
can become introverted when imbalanced.
(Thinking of my brother, he needs some time and space to himself everyday.  While very social, he needs to clear his mind through solitude for a while each day, to stay balanced)
especially susceptible to addictive behavior, as are type O's

Some of Dr. D's recommendations:
Develop a clear plan for goals and tasks
Make lifestyle changes gradually, rather than suddenly
Balance  stretching or yoga (30 min) with a couple of days a week of aerobic exercise (25 min) and 3 or 4 days of weights (20 min)
Engage in activities that give you a meaningful connection to a group without competition.
Carve out some time alone.
flexible, non-rigid structure and much freedom of choice wherever possible

General nutritional recommendations:
avoid caffeine (except green tea) because of effect on already high adrenaline
emphasize protein sources other than red meat
don't undereat or skip meals
eat protein-containing breakfast....most important meal of the day
smaller, more frequent meals instead of a couple of large ones

limit red meat and avoid chicken
turkey ok
soy and fresh seafood most important protein sources
modest amounts of cultured dairy, but avoid fresh dairy
richly oiled cold-water fish to boost metabolism
vit. A rich foods, such as carrots, spinach and broccoli to boost intestinal alkaline phosphatase levels
avoid carbonated beverages. . . decreases gastrin production

Worst foods:
chicken
whitefish
corn
buckwheat
lima beans
kidney beans



Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 12:01am; Reply: 33
Quoted from eh
Kristin, BABE!!!!!!!!!! How are you? It's so lovely to hear your voice again. I never told you this but your posts have a calming and soothing effect on me. Like cool water on my brow. (Go figure.) In my mind you are the figure of Temperance (you know, um, the Tarot cards.....ahem...). Beautiful. I'm sooooo glad you're still here.


Oh Madge!! Or is it Eh!!! That is so lovely of you to say... but I really think I have the opposite affect on most others...  ;D

And your posts always had me laughing my you-know-what off!! I've missed you!! So great to have you back again... we could use a little livening up around here...

Big hugs!!

Posted by: girly, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 4:26am; Reply: 34
You know I really don't think you can judge a person by " Blood-type" alone.
I am an AB but have traits from every type.
I MUST exercise like an O- heavy running, 60 minutes of aerobics or 45 minutes of bowflex treadmill ( step and tread combined-very intense) 5 - 7 times a week
Yoga makes me CRAZY - I hate being alone- I am very emotional and cry easily when angry or upset. I am very spiritual and God is definatley my outlet.

Anyway I also have 2 good friends that are also AB's and are so different from me and so different from each other...you need to just enjoy her and take things as they come and don't try so hard to pre-plan her life because she will resent it. She is not a small child and this needs to be implemented slowly. She obviously has some issues she will be dealing with if her parents aren't parenting her. That is the number thing to deal with and the rest will fall into place.
As for Isa...she means well. You try going onto a Swiss site and write in their language! The smileys are when she can't find the right word.
Posted by: eh, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 5:27am; Reply: 35
I think your AB shall in all likelihood fall in love with you, Equipro, in seeing how keen you are to understand her better even before you get to live together.... but as girly says, getting to know one another is all a process fraught with contradictions regardless of types.

I guess what I'm saying is that in all understandings of differences one learns to listen to the other in a process of relating to one another not in a categorical manner and in the case of the hybrid creature AB you are doing just fine from what I have read so far. Back off a little and beam upon her. Woo her. She'll get it. No need to become an AB whisperer. It sounds to me like you've got the gist of the gal, the details provided by Isa and Victoria and the others notwithstanding.

(My O husband - who is now an AB whisperer - almost missed the opportunity to attain the love of his love in thinking he knew who I was and what I wanted from him! What a courtship!)  



Girly do you really hate being alone? I would just die without any time out from the encroachments of human activity...my friends say I am 'free', a bit like a wild creature. Not exactly a compliment.. nonetheless, like you girly,  I am sensitive to those points in relating to others where 'understanding me' begins to feel like 'controlling me.' Dear God, I am sounding like a whining teenager. You don't understand me! Leave me alone! I want to be alone! Jeez, I am winding myself up here...

I'm outta here.

madge eh

Kristin, hugs back, sunshine!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 11:55am; Reply: 36
:D missa eh...(clap)(clap)(clap)(sunny)(smarty)(whistle)yuppers feel similar :D
and thanks  to girly yup sometime words doesn't come out correctly in english, thatswhy I am using all those smilies, too :B  :-/

I think that bloodtype shows us up the direction of different characters bloodtypes may have a preferance on ;) :D likewise ESTP/J + ENFP/J in O's, SP-styles in all bloodtypes but allmost in nonnies :D, SJ-styles in B's, NT in O's & AB's....sechis' and nonnies but
please take this only as a form of tendencies :o ...gell....:K) but very often there are confusions because of ENTP/J and ESTP/J both are very highly skilled for extravert
thinking....and introvert perceiving.....and now they become very similar....where is the F-side??).........confusion also in iftp/j and infp/j...both are so similar that only trained peoples may remark the difference- both are very spiritual but one is really intuition (N) and the other is more prone to sense *the*whole picture....)
bye


p.s. :B sorry forgot the only universal are the A's....they are to be found everywhere
but mostly in NF and NT-styles sometimes-very rarely also in SJ-styles(think)
Posted by: girly, Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 2:33pm; Reply: 37
Hey Eh.....
Being alone is a two edged sword for me...I guess I tend to really listen an judge myself when I'm alone and thats not always good. But I love activity ( Good thing seeing that I have 4 Kids !!! My oldest daughter turns 12 today....where did the time go ??) If I wasn't turning 37 this November I'd have 1 more but I don't want to push the limit....so thankful all 4 of my kids are healthly.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, August 10, 2006, 12:27pm; Reply: 38
::) girly-girl...be good with your-selve ;) :D
Posted by: eh, Friday, August 11, 2006, 6:30am; Reply: 39
Know what you mean, girly.
it's self defeating feeling like that ..so difficult to cut out...as Isa reminds us, be kind to yourself...but how? I'm full of advice  so let's not ask me...but since you didn't ask me, let me tell you, you know what I did in the Uk? I grew a sense of humour! Yep, right alongside my tasteless greenhouse tomatoes.

Years ago, I made a wish to become wise and funny. In a savage twist of events (whose details you do not need to know, even though it would help you greatly in making sense of this post) I gave up my job, and thus my career, I migrated and then I lost some of my family, and almost my life. Loss, betrayal, illness, defeat and crushing loneliness can be productive. Pain made me funny. (When Kristin wrote above that she laughed herself silly at my posts she had no idea how her comments would go straight to my heart...or maybe she did...my heart's still purring...).

... I realised belatedly that I feared my own mind more than anything else, girly....
Keep writing to us kiddo!
love
madgeh (still wrestling with the 'wise' bit)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, August 11, 2006, 6:55am; Reply: 40
hi AB-sechi Madge ;)  :K) :K)
hmmmmmmmmm this sounds soooooooooooooooooo familiar to me ::) :B :X

dearle just become *your-selve* (fff) ;) nothing else- no drama-no galama-no games or similar and don't take you tooooo serious, nor the probs. you might have apparently....thats' the whole trick and if WE, the AB's perhaps really all to be find in the 5 by Risos' (look in here dear an ::) :o -pener)....
our key is ...."not to get attached and no identification to whatsoever"...this is the hardest part of our lifes to learn...but if you are nearly 50, like me ::) :'( :P it's no more that hard......
hey I didn't realized...that is and was my first and best modality since birth......:o  haa :D ;D ;D
to become empty of whatsoever- just no EGO to ride or the demands of it to fullfill....what a great calmness now in my brain & heart :K)  :)


hmmm Maaadge...the roostership...isn't that U, too??)
Posted by: Debra+, Friday, August 11, 2006, 12:42pm; Reply: 41
ooooohhhh-do we have another 49'er???

Debra :)
Posted by: EquiPro, Friday, August 11, 2006, 1:07pm; Reply: 42
I wanted to thank everyone who has posted here.  I am getting a better picture of the whole AB.  Not an easy road to hoe here soon, food-wise (all being Os was so much easier), but we'll make due.  I don't think that eliminating chicken and beef is going to come easily or quickly, but perhaps we can do it a little at a time.  I think the first step will be to emphasize neutrals and bennies and de-emphasize the avoids.  There's already a huge change being made for this girl, little changes might be the best from this point on.

Anything more that you'd like to post will certainly be read and considered.
Posted by: eh, Friday, August 11, 2006, 1:08pm; Reply: 43
sorry, dear rooster, I' m a Boar (...ahem, that's spelt b.o.a.r not bore).

But I am flattered to bits in being misrecognized as one of the plumaged types...

madgeh xx
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, August 11, 2006, 1:37pm; Reply: 44
;D :D ;D ........
Posted by: girly, Friday, August 11, 2006, 4:57pm; Reply: 45
O.K. Madge,
I'm going to confide to you that I also have this really weird sense of humour that my friends seem to love. Especially in a stressful or sad situation I can make people laugh.But it only comes out with a certain group of friends. I am so different at home. I am tense, stressed out and angry almost all the time. I don't get it???
I have always felt that my anger would lead to an early death ( O.K. how grimm....) and I have also felt even before I had ever heared of BTD that anger and stress caused me to gain weight....I need to laugh more...that's it I'm going to rent Big Momma's house 2......
Posted by: Sebastiana, Friday, August 11, 2006, 5:10pm; Reply: 46
Hi,

My husband and I are both ABs.  We tend to need much time for reading or gardening or writing--mostly a block of time to ourselves.  We are a bit social--very concerned about the state or the world--are quite opinionated about politics.  He exercises at a club--I hate exercise.  We stick to the food plan and never get the flu or colds because of it (since 1997).  I don't know if we fit a personality "type"--we just exist.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, August 11, 2006, 8:45pm; Reply: 47
girly, try it with someL' Aginine,or even L'Theanine to get a bit calmer and away from anger; I know this too but here the key is really go ahead from all kinds of identification.....and then feel the calm in your heart and head ;D Sometimes it might be a kind of expectancy which is just not affordable for somebody else= quick-qicker-quickest ::) and best to do 10 things at the same time...huh why cant' U do this??) for me no probs.....::)

and congrats Sebastiana how do I feel with you......and now since Monday I do twice a day my walkings about an hour with neighbour and doggy- all is aching...I hate...hate...hate literally all kinds of movements or things named sports :P  therefore I prefere to stay in my mind.....sometimes I think I am only in my mind...no more body to feel :P and here it becomes a bit alarming...we have to move
and we have to come back to earth....not only mentally, this might become stressy.........:o

please don't only existe but get your life into your hands and enjoy it ;D :K)
Posted by: eh, Saturday, August 12, 2006, 7:26am; Reply: 48
Girly, and Isa,  it seems we are converging in temperament as we write....Ah, my anger...it terrifies me, and all who are within withering distance of me. I hate unkindness and I really have to be pushed to express anger in any explosive way...but when I start venting I know that I need help in the form of type O long hard walking, miles and miles of walking and at the end of it I'm usually doing handstands.

Also, some assam tea prepared and imbibed in the English manner calms me. I know it's neither beneficial nor neutral...I wish it wasn't an avoid...but I have to recommend it to myself as the elixir of the gods. It alleviates depression in me. It heartens me. It soothes my breathing. It releases the constriction in my throat. And then - as if to remind me that there is no gain without loss - it gives me acid. Bummer.

I'm not keen on green tea - it doesn't carry the same force for me.
Isa, is there any way ...any way at all.. that black tea may be redined as a beneficial...hmmm?
madge eh
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, August 12, 2006, 7:58am; Reply: 49
::) hm encore something in common madge; I know this pain of anger it goes against U... try it with 5HTP or L'Trypthophan...oups sorry have to go with Doggy for my earlymorning run---catch ya later :K)


now it's later ;D :D


hey Madl take minimum between 300 and 450 mg's of  Magnesium, helps us to relax also our muscles and then please notice one thing too: because of our own possibility to have the big overview, we might see all kinds of oportunities which others don't and then we get angry because they don't;;; similar to the O's,  but here the difference is our
projection of our capacities onto others, which cant' be because others' are just different :-/ and the O's become angry because  others don't do things *HOW* it ought to be done....here lays our key to step ahead from those situations- when I say: no-body is and no-body has= means who is suffering then??????
Just the complete oposite to NF-styles who are afraid for not having any identity...
they enforce their bad feelings just to *feel* themselves; so far our goal or aim is to recognize our gifts which alredy has been there since birth- we arent' and we havent' bla-bla-bla but we might to, (if we want to :o ;D )and don't be afraid because of your mental powers- it will encrease when getting older......::) ;D  8)
other hand: when angry until :P----be aware of this power and instead getting it against yourselve- take it and go ahead with it use it for your intentions you have...this is one of the best and powerfullst thingies you might use....and why? Because of this you won't get exhausted ;D :D (dance)(dance)(dance)(dance)(smarty)(whistle)(sunny)
Hey I know from what am I speaking....I went threw really bad and very long depressions- I know...dearle I know...not that  nice at all....and if you want pm me..and we try together to solve your probs. with this- if I am able to ;) :K)
truly yours Isa III. :D

pst...pst...
some mono Rhodiola (natural Factors- 175 mg's) are also superrrr for US ;)
Posted by: eh, Saturday, August 12, 2006, 1:16pm; Reply: 50
You are Spot ON, ISA!

Thanks!
madge :K)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, August 12, 2006, 2:20pm; Reply: 51
(think)(sunny)(whistle)(whistle) :o :B 8) :K) :K) :K) :D :X
Posted by: girly, Saturday, August 12, 2006, 4:14pm; Reply: 52
Isa,
Funny you should mention " Rhodioloa" as I just bought a B Stress complex and it has 250 mg of Rhodiola root extract in it.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, August 12, 2006, 7:20pm; Reply: 53
bravoooo girly....from which phirm is it??) The B-stress connection is something worth too, about 25 to 50mg's of each B-vitamin= lecker-lecker ....:D ;D I saw that also a higher dosage of L'Theanine should be right too, but I never tried it by myselve....
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, August 12, 2006, 8:52pm; Reply: 54
Equipro,
I think the biggest "notable" thing about ABs is their "unpredictability".  Other people don't seem to understand the quickness with which we are able to change "moods".  My dad (AB) could finish sternly correcting one child, turn around and his whole mood would change and he would be joking and laughing with someone else.  I found that I have the same temperament, as do several other ABs that I know.

By contrast, As tend to get in one mood and hold it for quite a while.
Posted by: girly, Saturday, August 12, 2006, 9:24pm; Reply: 55
Sisu brand  http://www.sisu.com
Vitamin B1 ( thiamine)   25 mg
Vitamin B2 ( Riboflavin & Riboflavin-5 phosphate) 25 mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine hydrochloride & Pyridoxal-5-phosphate) 50 mg
Vitamin B3 ( Niacinamide)   20 mg
Vitamin B5 ( Panthothenic acid) 100 mg
Vitamin B9 ( Folic acid) 0.2 mg
Vitamin H ( Biotin)   75 mcg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 100 mcg
Roseroot ( Rhodiola rosea) 250 mg

I'm telling you, I must have been deficiant in all of these because I've only taken 3 or 4 capsules and I feel so amazing.......
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 4:15am; Reply: 56
Quoted from eh
You are Spot ON, ISA!

Thanks!
madge :K)


You both are sooooo right. ;) :D

Debra :)

Posted by: sue_ab, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 6:50am; Reply: 57
Quoted from EquiPro


This child, with whom I am very close (the AB) is very different from my daughter.  She is very competative on one hand, but laid back about other things on the other.  She can be extremely child-like one moment, and like the most grounded, mature adult you have ever met the next.  She is super smart and driven, yet relaxed and laid back.

I'm trying to figure out what her best exercise routine would be.  She dances several times per week, but should she also be encouraged to go with me to the healthclub?  Should she start to do aerobics and lift weights with me, or should she be allowed to stay at home and be alone while I am doing these things.

I could really use some simple, clear insight into what goes with being an AB, regardless of the "INFP/ whatever" stuff.  I need less info on the diet - after all, I can look this up on the typebase and the books - and more help on who type AB people are.

Please - clear help is needed here.  She will be moving in this month.



Hi Equipro,

The thing with AB's is once we come out of our shells there is no stopping us.   :K)

The best advise I can give you is to let her dance when she wants to and as often as she wants but let her see how much you enjoy working out and lifting weights then let her make up her own mind.  She may just suprise you and ask to join in.

Whatever you do don't try and force anything upon her.  Just sit back and watch & I'm sure you will see when she is happiest.

For myself at times I need to be with people and then at other times need plenty of space.  Nothing gives me more pleasure than to be alone in the garden or reading a book.  Sometimes I need to listen to music at other times silence is preferred.  

Now I mean no offence here to anyone but sometimes my O friends can be a bit too outgoing for me and I find it makes me "clam" up - I seem to feel overpowered and want to retreat.  So don't think it is YOU if she does retreat at times just accept that it is a time she needs to be alone.  But not for one moment would I allow bad or unruly behavour to be attributed to being an AB.

Equipro you are such a wonderful caring person I am sure you will both grow and learn together.  Don't worry and let it all happen on it's own.   :)

Sue.

Posted by: sue_ab, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 6:54am; Reply: 58
Hey MADGE, aka eh,


Welcome back to the land of sun and sand   :K)    :K)  


Sue.


Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, August 13, 2006, 7:21am; Reply: 59
:B Debraaaa :B dont' make me feel like dissssss ::) :B


and yess, girly, Sisu is a great firm-worked also with their products before- I see they made some new
products... very good (dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(clap)(clap)(whistle)(sunny)


and here all dearle...must agree with our rare gem name AB-sue...I do feel very similar but in my case I have had to struggle against overwhelming feelings like rage ::) a lack of serotonine ::) .....and I suffered terribly and nobody remarked it:'( :'( terrrrible ;) :D
Posted by: eh, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 9:25am; Reply: 60
Sue!!!!!!!!! As in Tas wolf and sue? As in Bonnie??????????????From Launceston? Vegetarian Sue/bonnie?

HOW ARE YOU LUV? Where have you been hiding? I noticed your 'absence' herein -
and I'm missing your presence. What gives, dear???? Spill all!
madge eh xxxxxxxx
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 12:43pm; Reply: 61
Madgeh (if I may here) Sue and Paul have retired from the board.  Taz started a new job that keeps him very busy.  (And I think somewhere it was mentioned he lost about 12 lbs. or so).  Either he is very happy in the new job or it is eating him up. ;);)  We don't see much of them anymore.  And we miss them.   At least, I know I do.   Maybe they are just lurking around somewhere keepiing any eye on us all.  I do wish they would pop in more often.  :D:D:D  That is about all I know.  Someone, or they, might add more. :)

Debra :)

P.S.  EquiPro-I hope all is going well in your household with your new addition.  Take care.
Posted by: EquiPro, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 3:13pm; Reply: 62
Thanks for so much advise.  I'm taking it all in.  Our new family member (along with her dog, I might add - who will be switched to BARF) will be moving in over the next month.  As soon as I can get my office cleared out and prepare it to be a teenager's bedroom.

In the meantime, she is here much of the time.

The biggest thing that I notice about this child is that she straddles adulthood and childhood so well.  One moment she is the most mature person I can imagine (especially considering what she has gone through this past 2 years - her mother basically abandoned her and is a nutjob and her dad found a new girlfriend and is basically moving on with his life without her) the next moment she pouting because she didn't win a card game.  Is this just part of being 14 or is it the AB?

She's a wonderful child.  She is super smart and wants to be the best that she can be (straight-A student, top violinist).  Amazingly, with all that she has experienced, she remains focused and sure in who she is.

She DOES like to retreat sometimes, though and I find her harder to read than my type-O child who wears every single emotion on her sleeve.  Again, Type AB or just being 14.

I'll keep you all informed as things move along here.  It is nice to have this board with the support of AB INSIGHTS.  I'll probably do everyone's secretor test in the next year, as I can afford it.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, August 13, 2006, 6:23pm; Reply: 63
Rachel,
A few years ago, when my daughter was an early teenager, I fostered one of her friends for a year because of the unstable situations in her life.  It was a very good experience, especially since she was not interested in running wild.  She actually liked our home life, and it was company for my daughter.
She was either an A or AB.  I wish I had known, not to make her conform, but just so that I could have fed her more suitable foods for her own body.  I understand the feeling of wanting to do the very best for the girl while you have the chance to be a part of her life.

Now we are almost eight years down the road, and whenever I see her, she still greets me with so much affection.  She calls me "Surrogate Mother".
Posted by: eh, Monday, August 14, 2006, 12:15am; Reply: 64
Debra, pal, thanks for the info about Sue and Paul, matey.

I have to  slightly disagree with Sue about relating to type Os, however. I love the O 'stability', but they sometimes find me too intense rather than the other way around, and as AB JOE astutely noted we  also appear 'unpredictable' to others. (AB Joe there are so few AB men about! You are a rareby!)

For over thirty years, Equipro, I have been a sensitive, artistic, 14 year old. People still say I seem mature until they see the glee with which their teenagers and I recognise each other. It's as if teenagers understand that I am restored to them...hehehehe

You are so right,  all ABs are like that, Equipro! I think you and Victoria have struck the right 'tone' with us, shall we say. Treat us well and we are yours for life! (I also believe Debra is a crypto AB whisperer.) Our gratitude knows no bounds and we have a keen instinctive sense of karma. Whether we are consciously aware of this is another matter.

By the way, my husband is also good with horses :K) He used to spend his teenage holidays working with thoroughbreds in a stud. He reckons ABs are fey creatures a bit like horses...well I won't go there.

I must say it's been great hearing the other ABs - we are so shy normally, eh, Isa!!?

madge eh ;D :P ;) :-/ ::) :) :'( :X :B :o ;) ??)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 14, 2006, 11:23am; Reply: 65
ffferry shy...dear ;D :D
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 3:05am; Reply: 66
eh,

I'm just trying to learn and teach where I can provide reasonable input.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 6:32am; Reply: 67
dearest ABJoe.....;D ;D to whom ??) :D
Posted by: jsgrierson (Guest), Sunday, September 10, 2006, 8:01am; Reply: 68
Eh Madge,
just want to let you know that I had this fab. AB meal for some ABs and it was amazing. It was basically a roast dinner, with roast lamb, sweet potatoes, parsnips, pumpkins,carrots, turnips and greens all piled up individually on a massive serving dish, with compliant gravy, white sauce and mint sauce, all home made of course. The pleasure it brought to them was gratifying, and was followed up the next day with a warm salad of baby spinach leaves with warmed lamb bits on top. Made me realize what fun it could be to feed children their correct foods. I'm about 3 decades too late, but can still apply the principles wherever possible.
Luv, Jen :D
Posted by: eh, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 1:05pm; Reply: 69
oh, you good and generous thing, Jen!

Well, I'm licking my chops as the saliva pools in my throat and I'm thinking as I write...hmm shall I tell you my bad news...that is, swallowing lamb is a bit difficult for me lately.

I talked to a doctor yesterday. It seems I shall have to have some tests for oesophagal cancer as I have a suspicious lump in my throat. (It's not my thyroid btw.) One of the tell tale symptoms is difficulty swallowing meat.

I feel OK otherwise, but still it's hard not being able to wolf down my lamb meals with impunity as I tend to choke ...hehehhe. If I sound rather too lighthearted about this news, believe me it's only because I've been through worse sh!t. In any case, I haven't had all the tests yet...and that'll be awhile. I'm hoping it's just a benign lump or cyst.

Tell you what though, your description of that lamb has got my salivary glands positively flooding.
eh

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, September 10, 2006, 3:07pm; Reply: 70
to Jenny (dance)(clap)(dance)(dance)(smarty)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)


to my AB-twinny ;)....don't worry ;) :D :K)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 4:20pm; Reply: 71
Jenny,
mind sharing your sauce recipes, pls? )
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 5:09pm; Reply: 72
Dear eh,

Nothing like a good Cancer scare to bring us face to face with our emotions, eh?  :-)  I know . . . .  I've been there.

I'll be holding you in my mind with positive thoughts.  Please keep us posted.  :-)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 5:10pm; Reply: 73
Jenny,
Please tell us how you made the roast.  :-)
Posted by: jsgrierson (Guest), Sunday, September 10, 2006, 9:03pm; Reply: 74
Eveyone, I'm gratified at your responses and distressed by Madge's news. Please be well.

It was really quite simple to make the food, I did it between coming home from a rehearsal of the Messiah at 6pm and their arrival at 8.

The roast was a piece of boned lamb rolled up and tied with string. I preheated the oven to fairly hot and popped it in, reducing the heat to less than 200C. It probably stayed in for 1 and  half hours all up. It also rested on a plate for 10 minutes before carving. I had to sharpen the carving knife (use it so rarely being an A), and my younget son took over that masculine duty.

The vegetable pieces all went in about an hour in advance, slicked with olice oil.It was generaly commented on how caramelized they were. Don't know how that happened.

White sauce: melted butter (could have used oil), spoonful of rye flour (would have used amaranth if it hadn't disappeared to the back of the cupboard), cook paste very lightly while stirring, add appropriate milk very slowly so that lumps don't form, stir stir stir until the right creamy consistency . Place in jug at back of stove until ready.

Gravy. After removing meat, add compliant flour to oily juices, stir until a little bit cooked and slightly burnt, add boiling water slowly and gently, stirring always. Salt if desired. If not thick enough can add extra flour paste. Get another child to stir this while dashing around doing other things. Making the gravy is quite a traditional, family, responsible thing, and should not be done lightly. In desperation, can be sieved afterwards.

Mint sauce; Inspect garden for mint and discover that failure to water plant over winter has almost killed it- not quite though, so a drink of water now will mean mint sauce in the summer. Ring a guest with request to bring a bunch.
Finely chop mint, virtually mince it. Place in serving jug with a little brown sugar. Add a spoonful of boiling water to dissolve the sugar. Add juice of one lemon (if you are avoiding vinegar).

Bottle of red, and a bottle of red grape juice for abstainers.

Cheers, :D
Jenny
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 11:55pm; Reply: 75
Thanks, Jenny,
Were the veggies and the lamb left uncovered the whole time?
Posted by: jsgrierson (Guest), Monday, September 11, 2006, 12:11am; Reply: 76
(thinks)

Yes, I think so. And I would have turned them over once or twice during the cooking, but it was a no fuss process that turned out perfectly as it happened.
Go fo it.
Jenny
Posted by: eh, Monday, September 11, 2006, 12:50am; Reply: 77
YUM! I'm a mean hand with the gravy Jenny should you ever need assistance in that department..it goes without saying..I'm VERY helpful around gravy made with lamb juices. I'm seriously like.. voracious dog-around-the-campfire-scrapping for the gravy. There have been times when I ..like.. INSIST people start dinner without me. Why is that?

Hubby -wondering where I have disappeared to - has found me on all four paws possessively licking the roasting pan clean in the kitchen. As you do. I growled at him something recognisably human like "don't leave the guests alone ..mind your manners...what sort of a host are you..."

I exaggerate. But yes I do lick the gravy left in the pan...please don't hold it against me because if I didn't do it my husband would get at it first.  And he's an O! Nuff said!

Now then Equipro...I believe that may be an insight into AB competitiveness you can use! :)

Dear Victoria, so true. Tomatilla and Jen, thanx dears!
eh madgex
   :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 11, 2006, 3:48am; Reply: 78
thanks! )
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, April 9, 2009, 6:52pm; Reply: 79
I think I'd do that as well...but not if ther's any flour in...baah :P ;) ;D....ya welcome *complete of mine " ;D....
Posted by: Jenny, Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:37pm; Reply: 80
So cute to read this thread three years on........ last night I made a very similar meal with a big  lump of maryland cut turkey and all the vegs. I left the cooking pan overnight with some plain water in it for soaking off the brown bits, and by the morning have a wonderful accidental broth which will be the basis for today's soup. ;D
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, April 10, 2009, 5:34am; Reply: 81
instant-service ;)...Jenny....(hehe)(hehe)(sunny)
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