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Posted by: northernstars, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 1:43am
Wow, am I frustrated and angry!  I just finished a "pancake test" for diabetes and it came back with dreadful readings!  First was a fasting reading of 109, followed an hour after beginning to eat pancakes with syrup with a 227, and finally an hour later with 148!  Those numbers are horrid and just don't seem to go along with my eating habits.

Yesterday I finished an adrenal function test and the results should be back in about a week.  I will meet with my ND on the 16th, but right now I'm really upset.  I have followed the BTD with about 90% or higher compliance for over 3 years.  I take a number of supplements to assist with health issues.  

Potatoes we have once or twice a month.  Breads and grains are a rarity and are usually sprouted breads or rice.  I've started making my own alternative milks to avoid any unwanted ingredients.  I use agave nectar in my tea most of the time, but that is not supposed to raise blood sugar levels.  Today I orders xylitol for a sugar replacement.  The fruits and vegetables I use are primarily beneficial and none in the avoid columns.  I'm stymied.

When I fix meals, I not only choose for my blood types, but also make sure that nothing is high glycemic or that the overall glycemic load is not too high.  I knew that I was pre-diabetic and have been working for three years on keeping my blood sugar in the okay range.  I've read and am following the Diabete BT book, again with at least a 90% compliance.

I'm not sure what effect the non-working to slightly working adrenals have in the development of diabetes, but I'm thinking there has to be a connection.  I'm not sure what to do next.  Any good hints?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 1:54am; Reply: 1
follow the guidelines and food list from the diabetes book........as well as frequency values....
you will be surprised as to how much of what used to be in your neutral list becomes an infrequent neutral instead....meaning once a month.....or less.....
Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 2:03am; Reply: 2
My recommendation would be to go all out bennies for one month.  No neutrals at all, and see what happens.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 3:17am; Reply: 3
And it goes without saying.......NO avoids, none...not once a month or occasionally, either.  :-)

You may reading the effects of the way you used to eat.  Your scores may be better than they would have been if you had not made the changes you have made.

My opinion is that diabetics should not be eating grains.

I also recommend all benes for a few weeks.  Also pay closer attention to the recommendations in the Diabetes book for frequencies and amounts.  And check out all the supplements and lifestyle ideas that Dr. D has supplied.
Posted by: Vicki, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 4:04am; Reply: 4
Yup...neutrals are fine except when they are eaten to the exclusion of beneficials.  Beneficials are healing foods....ones to focus on.  Also, you may be a lewis double-negative and if so...then you'd need to follow the non-secretor recommendations.
Posted by: northernstars, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 4:48am; Reply: 5
Thanks for the help.  It just perplexes me how my blood sugar readings increased.  But, then again, I really wonder what shape I'd be in had I not been following the BTD and using supplements for the past few years.   I mentioned that this afternoon at the restaurant where I ate halibut and a salad for a late lunch.  I'm sure that once the adrenals get working again other things (such as this) will also improve.

Thanks again for all your input.  I will be sticking pretty close to the beneficials and the super-beneficials for quite a while.  Tonight's dinner was fresh caught red salmon (baked), turnip greens sauteed with onions and garlic in olive oil, sliced turnips (fresh from the garden), and sweet potato fries (baked).  I know that salmon is a neutral allowed frequently, but it was fresh from the ocean.  Tonight's dinner isn't an unusual selection of foods, either.  My husband (an A) got the brown rice instead of the sweet potato fries.

Again, thanks.  Sure is nice to be in a caring community.
Posted by: resting, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 11:12am; Reply: 6
Hi Sharon,

Diabetes is a lot 'trickier' (and deadlier) than most people suspect!  You probably avoided a much worse scenario by doing what you did.  I assume you have type II diabetes.  Align this as much as possible with TS. Wiley's recommendations for sleeping this coming autumn-winter in 'Lights Out' .... a healing sleep pattern!

Right now, try to focus an the zinc-taurine combination ... 25mg - zinc + 2.0-2.5mg - copper + 1000mg of taurine.

Add to this ... sleeping on a magnetic mattress (Philpott).  http://www.magneticosleep.com/

These suggestions may seem unusual, but they will help to balance you toward normalcy.


John
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 4:40pm; Reply: 7
John,
Will you talk a bit more on the function/value of taurine?  (Layperson's language, please. :-) )

The most recent bottle of Magnesium supplement I bought (citrate) contains taurine.
Posted by: northernstars, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 5:58pm; Reply: 8
My husband (type A) came in with a fasting blood sugar of 125 last month.  He was really testing the waters by drinking one or two sodas a day, feasting on potato chips, and refusing to follow the BTD (although he did eat the foods I made).  He's not done a follow-up to determine where his levels are after eating.  He is no longer eating chips and has had only one half can of soda.  He's certain that is enough to reverse his numbers.

I guess that is part of the preplexing problem.  Why, when I'm so diligent and he is so oppositional did we both seem to develop diabetes?

John, I do have those supplements on hand and will incorporate them in the proportions you mentioned.  I'll check into the magnetic matress, too.  Thanks.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 6:27pm; Reply: 9
you might be diligent, yet not following the diabetes guidelines as outlined in the health series book.
this is also important when treating a health issue.....
Posted by: northernstars, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 7:57pm; Reply: 10
I do follow the guidelines for the amounts and frequencies suggested.  I do have to reduce or eliminate the rice and soy milks I have been using and increase just a bit with the vegetables.  I rarely use grains except for brown rice a couple times a week, but I was using rice or soy milk with my teas daily.  In looking over the diabetes foods, I can still say that those in the beneficial and super-beneficial lists are the ones I primarily use except, as I mentioned, I was using the rice and soy more often.  I also used arrowroot powder for a thickening agent in my sauces and now that is a neutral infrequent, too, as are chocolate and apples.  

There really isn't much tweaking to do as I had already gravitated to the beneficials and super-beneficials.  The grains (rice & soy) may be the biggest culprit.  I seldom use the "neutrals use frequently" spelt, kamut, etc., maybe once or twice a week as noodles and maybe once a month or so as part of a dessert.  Unfortunately, the apple juice and sauce I use as a base for baked goods has also joined the ranks of "neutral used infrequently".  So, there needs to be adjustments made there, too.

Fortunately, most of the foods being grown in my garden made the okay lists!!! except strawberries.

Just weaving myself through another journey.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 8:23pm; Reply: 11
with your expertise you ll be just fine!!
keep up the good work.....
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 9:06pm; Reply: 12
hm ....northernstars...what I observed with those tests and having almost avoided carbs before...that if clients have done this test...that the results were alltimes much tougher than when clients ate a normal
common diet. Is there any possibility to repeat this test? Is it possible that you wear the nonnie-gene
and this might be the result of it? Instead of being diabetic might be more a form of syndrome-x??)or
just named insuline-resistence ??)
Posted by: resting, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 11:55pm; Reply: 13
Hi Victoria,

(just returning!) All cells have 2 sets (series) of membranes.  On the outside walls  of cells are a tightly bound zinc and taurine bond.  [This will look like hairs on your skin if you are real close ,,, but very powerful microscope it will look more like an astronaut viewing a whole forest ... such a detail will not be seen with this view.]

So the first set of membranes are the zinc-taurine ... a whole lot of them ... [maybe as much as 15% of the surface of the cell.]  Such an arrangement provides the inner part of cells with many important services: (1) a ready supply of zinc that each cell uses in its manufacturing; (2) THE method to transport potassium to the insides of cells ... the sodium will remain on the outside .... there is much power between these two (3) taurine itself is called a zwitterion { sounds like: Swittzer - eye -on } ... this means there is a small charge at taurine's end ... it will appear like there is a surface charge on each cell.  This charge is sufficient to keep cells apart - a sign of health.  Cells clumping together is a sign of sickness.

The insides of cells have many parts, called 'organelles'.  These too have membranes that need to stay apart from one another and the main cell membrane.  Enter taurine again, but this time it binds magnesium instead of zinc.

the taurine-zinc (for cell membranes) or taurine-magnesium (for organelle membranes) act as primary membrane  stabilizers.  So when there is too much cell-energy, it tends to calm things down - may be important for epilepsy ... but also for diabetes and neuropathy (like in MS) too.  I'm finding that my sciatic nerve is much less aggravated after supplementing with the taurine-magnesium combo ...

you will not find this elsewhere, it just seems to fit ...

hope this helps ............


John
Posted by: northernstars, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 12:13am; Reply: 14
Actually I do believe that the test itself was just not good for me as I try hard to stay away from wheat and refined sugars, especially.  That was precisely what the ingredients were for the pancake test!  The syndrome x is a definite possibility, too, as I do show several characteristics.  

I wonder if it is possible that the insulin reaction was primarily a response to eating foods that are just not good for me and not part of my diet or do I actually have diabetes or syndrome x?  Things to ponder.
Posted by: Whimsical, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 2:49am; Reply: 15
My first thought was portions/frequencies, as this is where I think a lot of benefit comes, but people slack off.  However, you say you are following these, so...

Double check secretor status?  That would change your portions/frequencies a lot.  

Then there is everything outside of diet: sleep, stress, strenuous type-O exercise.
Posted by: northernstars, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 3:11am; Reply: 16
Oh yes, those other factors!  Sleep...usually very disrupted as I'm usually awake 3-10 times a night.  Once in a while I sleep for more than two hours at a time.  Stress....abundant and non-stopping.  Exercise...I usually walk at the store from 20 minutes to over an hour three to five times a week, unless the vasculitis in my feet cause just too much pain.  Occasionally I use my small trampoline (rebounder) and work out on that.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 3:57am; Reply: 17
Quoted from John_McDonell_O+
. . . . the taurine-magnesium combo ...

you will not find this elsewhere, it just seems to fit ...

hope this helps ............

John


John,
Thank you very much.  This is exactly what I was asking for, and you explained it in a way that I can understand!

Is there anything in taurine supplementation that could cause insomnia, since magnesium is often taken at night?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 4:04am; Reply: 18
Quoted from northernstars
Oh yes, those other factors!  Sleep...usually very disrupted as I'm usually awake 3-10 times a night.  Once in a while I sleep for more than two hours at a time.  Stress....abundant and non-stopping.  Exercise...I usually walk at the store from 20 minutes to over an hour three to five times a week, unless the vasculitis in my feet cause just too much pain.  Occasionally I use my small trampoline (rebounder) and work out on that.


Do you take any calcium?  Try taking your calcium at night.  500 mg 1 hour before bed and 500 at bedtime.  This might help you sleep throughout the night.

Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 4:34am; Reply: 19
Quoted from northernstars
Actually I do believe that the test itself was just not good for me as I try hard to stay away from wheat and refined sugars, especially.  That was precisely what the ingredients were for the pancake test!  The syndrome x is a definite possibility, too, as I do show several characteristics.  

I wonder if it is possible that the insulin reaction was primarily a response to eating foods that are just not good for me and not part of my diet or do I actually have diabetes or syndrome x?  Things to ponder.


I wonder this also.  Perhaps it is not possible for the short term affects of eating poisons (avoids) to show up that fast on a test, but it sure seems that the test itself could cause imbalances in blood sugar levels.

You mentioned your insomnia and stress.  Just  today I was reading about Holy Basil (Tulsi) and how it reduces cortisol output and aleviates stress.  It also has the side benefit of slightly lowering blood sugar levels.  

Also there is Theanine, which is an amino acid in green tea that brings a great sense of well being and lessening of stress.
Posted by: Don, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 4:46am; Reply: 20
Fenugreek is good for type O to help with lowering blood sugar.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 6:52am; Reply: 21
Quoted from ironwood55
Fenugreek is good for type O to help with lowering blood sugar.


From http://www.avantrex.com/health/Chol-2.htm [bolding by me for emphasis]

Fenugreeek Seed
Author: Jane Ramberg.  http://www.glycoscience.com

SOURCE: seed of Trigonella foenum graecum

SYNONYMS: Greek Hay

HISTORICAL USES: used for thousands of years in Egypt, India, and the Middle East as a food and spice and medicinally for fevers, mouth ulcers, bronchitis, and as a digestive aid. 1  Fenugreek seed is GRAS and may be used as a spice or natural seasoning.2  It is recognized by the German government as an approved herb for inflammation of the upper and lower respiratory tracts and is used externally to alleviate rheumatic and neuralgic pains, although repeated external applications can result in undesirable skin reactions.3 Fenugreek seed is a source of protein, fiber, high galactose galactomannans, sesquiterpenes, trigonelline and the steroidal saponin diosgenin.4

Animal studies have documented health benefits of fenugreek seed supplementation.  Rats consuming fenugreek galactomannans experienced lower liver and plasma cholesterol and increased fecal weight when compared with animals consuming either fiber-free or cellulose-supplemented diets.5  In a study of hypercholesterolemic rats, 4 weeks of fenugreek supplementation significantly lowered serum cholesterol levels.6  

Human studies have also documented health benefits.  Consumption of powdered fenugreek seed significantly lowered postprandial serum glucose levels in type II diabetics.8  When compared with subjects consuming a control diet, type I diabetics experienced significantly reduced fasting blood sugar, improved glucose tolerance, and reduced serum triglycerides, total and LDL cholesterol, and very low density lipoprotein (VLDL) cholesterol following a 10-day period of fenugreek seed supplementation.9

4. Bruneton J. Pharmacognosy Phytochemistry Medicinal Plants. 2nd ed. Paris, France: Lavoisier Publishing; 1995.

5. Evans AJ, Hood RL, Oakenfull DG, Sidhu GS. Relationship between structure and function of dietary fibre: a comparative study of the effects of three galactomannans on cholesterol metabolism in the rat. Br.J Nutr 1992;68:217-229.  

Stark A, Madar Z. The effect of an ethanol extract derived from fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) on bile acid absorption and cholesterol levels in rats. Br.J Nutr 1993;69:277-287.

8. Madar Z, Abel R, Samish S, Arad J. Glucose-lowering effect of fenugreek in non-insulin dependent diabetics. Eur.J Clin.Nutr. 1988;42:51-54.

9. Sharma RD, Raghuram TC, Rao NS. Effect of fenugreek seeds on blood glucose and serum lipids in type I diabetes. Eur.J Clin.Nutr. 1990;44:301-306.

Posted by: Susana, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 11:01am; Reply: 22
Not long ago my father filled a top of the line Mercedes with Diesel instead of regular gas. The car would not even start!

On a more serious note.

My first impression yesterday was on Whimsical’s line of thought interjected by my addictive thoughts of: “you see, not worth doing BTD. C’on lets binge on wheat!” Fortunately I kept steady and I can now post on an even keel.

Fasting results are borderline. They are not bad, just something to work on as you have been doing on the past few years.

The panckake test… I am not a doctor but in lay terms it does not make much sense. It does make sense to my addictive brain which says: “If there is a disaster and you are on BTD you will have less chances of survival. Let’s binge on wheat” Fortunately I have fasted 3 times for 15 days and know I can last better on a fast than on what ever wheat and coffee there is available.

But perhaps the people running the test have the same addictive brain as me. :X

My suggestion, on top of what has been written so far, would be to ensure you are not eating too much and see if you can increase your exercise a tiny bit.

Best wishes,

PS. Hope your adrenal glads results are good too.

:K)
Posted by: Dr. D, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 12:03pm; Reply: 23
Diabetes is the poster child for a 'multi-factorial' health problem


Posted by: Drea, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 1:42pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from admin
Diabetes is the poster child for a 'multi-factorial' health problem



  • NAP will soon introduce a Salacia based supplement that would be very helpful for adult diabetes.
  • Quercetin
  • Northern Beans and String Beans
  • Lipoic acid
  • Fenugreeek Seed
  • Daily exercise



Is the above list good for all blood types?

Posted by: northernstars, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 6:26pm; Reply: 25
Diabetes is the poster child for a 'multi-factorial' health problem



   * NAP will soon introduce a Salacia based supplement that would be very helpful for adult diabetes.
   * Quercetin
   * Northern Beans and String Beans
   * Lipoic acid
   * Fenugreeek Seed
   * Daily exercise

Thanks, Dr. D

I increased my Quercetin yesterday as per the Diabetes book.   I also take alpha lipoic acid.  Is that the same as lipoic acid?  Fenugreek is another capasule in my list of items I take each day.  I haven't done well with those beans even though I really do like them, so I guess they'll become a much larger piece of my diet.  I do try to get some additional walking in every day although maybe only a few minutes depending on the foot pain (vasculitis).  I also saw that stinging nettle was good if you have more severe diabetic complications.  I use it daily to help with that terrible cat allergy I'm fighting.

Thanks for all the good help.  I'll be looking for that new NAP product, too.
Posted by: Lloyd, Friday, August 4, 2006, 1:17am; Reply: 26
Quoted from northernstars
 I haven't done well with those beans even though I really do like them, so I guess they'll become a much larger piece of my diet.



Just a reminder, servings = 1-3/week. Every other day is about max for us O'sies, although you could certainly try more and see how you feel........
Posted by: northernstars, Friday, August 4, 2006, 2:02am; Reply: 27
I love cooked beans and went from several times a month down to almost zero partially because of the guidelines (even thought we rarely ate beans more than three or four times a week during the winter) and because a few beans that I used often were relegated to the avoid pile.  So, I guess I went on a pout and just didn't cook them up anymore.

Well, tonight we are having northern bean soup with soup bones, carrots, onons, turnip slices and greens, and a little leftover rice.  It is beginning to smell really good in the kitchen.  We've had a very cool summer with temperatures rarely going above average.  Today it has been in the 50's and a great day to make a bean soup.  Guess I'm over my pout.

Thanks to everybody for all your help.  I'm feeling better about the future!
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