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Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, July 21, 2006, 7:23pm
Admiting the non-secretor truth here once again, that sugar is very mean.

I think sugar, along with a combination of factors increasing my individual susceptibility, is what causes my neuropathy symptoms (numbness).  I think it has always caused nervous system damage in the form of palpitations, dizziness, migraine auras, and now this.  Celiac disease doesn't help, because the sugar leaks straight into my blood stream.  When my celiac disease is controlled better, my blood sugar is too.

I may get tested to find out if my theory is right, but I think my blood sugar spikes within 20 minutes, then insulin and a flood of stress hormones, brings it down too low, resulting in hypoglycemia.  The numbers may not be out of "normal" range, but for me, it causes symptoms.

I think us non-secretors can have a combination of inflammation, free radical damage, and resulting autoimmunity, all starting with sugar.  Even though we're not all diabetics, I think we all suffer this damage to some extent, from sugar and sweet stuff.  It can damage the nervous system, organs, etc.  Perhaps many autoimmune and other disorders can be caused by sugar...MS, Sjogren's, hypothyroid, etc. etc.  (I think PT started a thread about MS and diabetes...could this be the link?)

What do you all think?

Posted by: mikeo, Friday, July 21, 2006, 8:53pm; Reply: 1
sugar is evil

but

I bought some Agave in a squeeze bottle (looks like honey with same consistancy.... which has a very small glycemic value...27...compared to sugar or any natural sweetner...fructose is low but usually made from corn.....the sugar from it is released very slowly...it's in the unibar....you won't get the spikes as fast

http://www.blueagavenectar.com/buyblueagavenectar.html
Posted by: Drea, Friday, July 21, 2006, 8:57pm; Reply: 2
I've been using Agave nectar for a couple of months and really like it. I like it even better than veg gly, although I still use the latter in my chocolate tofu smoothies...but for everything else, agave nectar!
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, July 23, 2006, 11:34am; Reply: 3
I started that thread re: Diabetes and MS. :-) Glad you brought that up because I've been meaning to email that to a friend. Link:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1152795496

I think sugar is a friend to no one.   No kind of sugar.  Especially if you have adrenal gland issues.  Maybe non-secretors are more susceptible to this.  Melissa, have you checked out the "link" on that?
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm
From what I understand, sugars aren't metabolized correctly or not much at all when adrenals are weak, thus causing a myriad of problems.  For me right now, even beneficial fruits will cause problems. A woman I know talked to my NP (who is the one who diagnosed my adrenal fatigue (A/F)  ) and he diagnosed her A/F. He advised her to give up fruit. Within a week, and I really think it was less than that but haven't had the chance to confirm, the spot on her forehead that has been sore for 3 years, had gone away.  ;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, July 23, 2006, 12:41pm; Reply: 4
::) good to take some chromium&vanadium, lots of Vit. C....(3-5grams daily) and more ::) ;) :D and 3x60mg's of Q10 too (dance)(sunny)(whistle) :K) :K) :K)
Posted by: resting, Sunday, July 23, 2006, 4:46pm; Reply: 5
Hi Pat and Melissa,

Combining a few of your experiences - here is how I see the problem: first, you identify several symptoms and the glands that are suited to this ... but perhaps you have a 'solution' that is too closed.

Let me explain: our bodies run on energy.  In an energy-view let us look at this.  We are told repeatedly that the ONLY energy form that counts is ATP-energy from The Krebs cycle & the citric acid  cycle of our mitochondria.  So sugars are fuel to these cycles and they tend to be so efficient in their operation that they will cause spiking ... or too much energy output at one time.  There are several ways to even out the effect ... a) eat small meals (with protein) rather than pure carbs or sugar; b) eat abundant fiber c) use a slow  release sugar like agave nectar 4) increase the repair potential ... Isa list chromium + vanadium, vitamin and CoQ10 - 3x60mg .... I have found that Bcomplex vitamins and  L-glutamine to be very helpful for controlling 'sugar cravings'.

Enter the thyroid and adrenals ... I think these two are seasonal energy boosters, set for increases on summer activity and increases in immunity due to the presence of flying insects ... at this time of year.  [ For very cold and long-winter climates (Arctic) there are no bugs ... no trees either!]

In recent decades, we have used the 'extra boost' that is stimulated by these glands year round.  And now we find that we have AF(adrenal fatigue) from our own wanting of more energy ... very similar to Westerners wishing to be millionaires = happiness.

So instead of trying to 'fix' the adrenals to do what it was never meant to do in the first place ... yet still increase energy ... lets take a fresh look at what energy means.  To far too many, energy only exists as heat (this is ATP - mitochondrial-energy) ... energy is vibration and heat is a very small part of light called infrared ... There are energies (frequencies of light)/colours ... especially ultra violet ... that have large effects on physiology; then ditto for sound; and, magnetic energies, and electrical and there are those of gravitation and shape ....

By focusing on mitochondria-energy as the only kind, we severely restrict our capacities.

IMO there is an additional problem these days ....ms, diabetes and several auto-immune diseases share this same phenomenon - we focus exclusively on producing MORE energy, rather than its distribution.  [If all the energy produced by your car's engine went to turning the wheels ... there would be no air conditioning, no heat. no radio, no power steering ...etc, etc]  In our bodies energy distribution is even more important, but this is handled by the EFA-cholesterol network ... a very different one than the one that makes the energy.  Via the wrong focus, we supply the wrong nutrients and energy required.

John
Posted by: Curious, Saturday, December 15, 2007, 10:24am; Reply: 6
Just found this 'old' threat and I think it is really interesting. I find that too much sugar - for me that means too much fruit - messes up my system and causes more inflammation and more painful sciatica.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, December 15, 2007, 11:35am; Reply: 7
weew I just re-readed John's statement :o :o a very good one  ;D(dance)(clap)(clap)(sunny)
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Sunday, December 16, 2007, 3:47am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Melissa_J

I think us non-secretors can have a combination of inflammation, free radical damage, and resulting autoimmunity, all starting with sugar.  Even though we're not all diabetics, I think we all suffer this damage to some extent, from sugar and sweet stuff.  It can damage the nervous system, organs, etc.  Perhaps many autoimmune and other disorders can be caused by sugar...MS, Sjogren's, hypothyroid, etc. etc.  (I think PT started a thread about MS and diabetes...could this be the link?)

What do you all think?


Refined sugar is devoid of so many crucial nutrients that it robs the body of what it has just to metabolize it. I think this is part of what makes sugar so evil. If you already have an autoimmune disorder then sugar will exacerbate its symptoms.
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Sunday, December 16, 2007, 3:53am; Reply: 9
Quoted from resting
Hi Pat and Melissa,

Combining a few of your experiences - here is how I see the problem: first, you identify several symptoms and the glands that are suited to this ... but perhaps you have a 'solution' that is too closed.

Let me explain: our bodies run on energy.  In an energy-view let us look at this.  We are told repeatedly that the ONLY energy form that counts is ATP-energy from The Krebs cycle & the citric acid  cycle of our mitochondria.  So sugars are fuel to these cycles and they tend to be so efficient in their operation that they will cause spiking ... or too much energy output at one time.  There are several ways to even out the effect ... a) eat small meals (with protein) rather than pure carbs or sugar; b) eat abundant fiber c) use a slow  release sugar like agave nectar 4) increase the repair potential ... Isa list chromium + vanadium, vitamin and CoQ10 - 3x60mg .... I have found that Bcomplex vitamins and  L-glutamine to be very helpful for controlling 'sugar cravings'.

Enter the thyroid and adrenals ... I think these two are seasonal energy boosters, set for increases on summer activity and increases in immunity due to the presence of flying insects ... at this time of year.  [ For very cold and long-winter climates (Arctic) there are no bugs ... no trees either!]

In recent decades, we have used the 'extra boost' that is stimulated by these glands year round.  And now we find that we have AF(adrenal fatigue) from our own wanting of more energy ... very similar to Westerners wishing to be millionaires = happiness.

So instead of trying to 'fix' the adrenals to do what it was never meant to do in the first place ... yet still increase energy ... lets take a fresh look at what energy means.  To far too many, energy only exists as heat (this is ATP - mitochondrial-energy) ... energy is vibration and heat is a very small part of light called infrared ... There are energies (frequencies of light)/colours ... especially ultra violet ... that have large effects on physiology; then ditto for sound; and, magnetic energies, and electrical and there are those of gravitation and shape ....

By focusing on mitochondria-energy as the only kind, we severely restrict our capacities.

IMO there is an additional problem these days ....ms, diabetes and several auto-immune diseases share this same phenomenon - we focus exclusively on producing MORE energy, rather than its distribution.  [If all the energy produced by your car's engine went to turning the wheels ... there would be no air conditioning, no heat. no radio, no power steering ...etc, etc]  In our bodies energy distribution is even more important, but this is handled by the EFA-cholesterol network ... a very different one than the one that makes the energy.  Via the wrong focus, we supply the wrong nutrients and energy required.

John

Makes a lot of sense John. Interesting topic for the medical physicists.
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, December 16, 2007, 7:45pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Captain_Janeway
Refined sugar is devoid of so many crucial nutrients that it robs the body of what it has just to metabolize it.


So much so, that I understand in some countries, white sugar is listed in w/ the poisons.  :o
Posted by: Janet, Monday, December 17, 2007, 6:39pm; Reply: 11
White sugar = pure white and deadly!!
Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, December 18, 2007, 11:48am; Reply: 12
Have you ever smelled white sugar? First person to try it was certainly brave. He/she did make a fortune though LOL!

:K)
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