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Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 2:10am
Is it just me, or do a lot of these threads - and information in general - confuse you?  Some say that a certain food is good for you for one reason or another, and someone else says that that same food is not (i.e. the posts discussing Spinach from the "I'm too skinny what can I eat" thread).  I was hooked into the BTD for the last few days, I called several ND's to make an appointment (I was so frustrated with conventional doctors) and one of my questions (I interviewed many) was do they support the BTD?  I thought it would be easy to find one that did as it makes perfect sense to me; however, that was not the reaction I got  ??) (also surprised due to the fact that some of the ND's I found graduated from the University in Washington State, where Peter D'Adamo graduated from - if I read the book correctly).  Many hesitated to answer that question and those that did said that it is a good diet; however, it is not for everyone - especially those with food sensitivities/allergies.  

So what is one to do?  You try to do the right thing, and then some publication comes out saying something to the contrary.  I have gotten so desparate as conventional medicine has not helped my family (it has worked on temporarily relieving the symptoms, but does not get to the root of the problem) so I dove in head first researching alternative therapies.  The more I read, the more confused I get as what one person says contradicts what another says.   >:(

At the moment, I have switched to eating all organic foods and cut out all refined, processed and "un-natural" foods.  We all felt better.   :)  I then moved to the BTD, which was very restrictive in some ways (cut out all wheat and dairy products - at least the one's we use to enjoy) and OK in others (we got to eat meat, which all the doctor's have told us in the past to cut back on; and to find out that there are foods that we enjoy that act like medicine to our body! ).  

To be honest, I'm worried about eating so much meat (we do like it and feel better when we eat it, but what if it is hurting our insides as some doctor's mention - i.e. heart disease, cancer, cholesterol, etc. - and we just don't know it yet?).  Dr. D'Adamo recommended 5-HTP for carbohydrate cravings and now does not due to additional research.  I know it is all "scientific" and science is not perfect and ever changing.  I just want to do the right thing and am a bit frustrated that by doing so, I may hurt myself in the process.
Posted by: girly, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 2:28am; Reply: 1
I feel your frustration. There are so many different diet/health plans and of course they all have a Dr or scientist who has highly endorsed the book." Suzanne Somers" has the Sommersize diet with food combining and hormonal balance...Marilu Henner ( AKA Taxi) has all her plans with No sugar, white flour, no meat or dairy. and these books are well endorsed and they seem to work for them wonder what bloodtype they are???  My guess is that they are both A's...
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 3:51am; Reply: 2
Hi Mlpaul,
I'm glad you are posting, and expressing your thoughts and questions.  This is very healthy in my opinion.
As far as the different opinions expressed on the Forum, I think it's because there are so many of us. and the majority of us who are talking back and forth, are regular people with varying degrees of knowledge.  We learn a lot from each other and sometimes disagree with each other, but for the most part, this Forum has been a great blessing for me.  
The bottom line for decision making always comes back to ourselves.  So I may hear things that make sense to me, and then I can read more, research online or test things myself, and make my own decisions.
By the way, the blood type diet never recommends that people eat things that they are allergic to, or have sensitivities to that are making them ill.  However, after following the eating plan for ones own bloodtype, we very often find that we heal on so many different levels that sensitivities and "allergies" can disappear.

As far as disease and meats, Dr. D does suggest that we try and eat chemical-free meat, and especially free-range grass fed.  These foods have a different effect on the body, due to an improved essential fatty acid balance that is similiar in many ways to cold water fish.  In addition, he advises to eat lean cuts and remove visible fats.  My cholesterol numbers improved significantly after about 1 year and a half of eating no avoids, and daily intake of lamb.  LR4YT has some very helpful perspective on quantities and frequencies, which helps to fine tune one's own diet, along with exercise and stress reduction.  This makes for a very well-balanced approach that is not extreme at all.
Why not try it with a genuine effort for a couple of months and make your own decisions about how it effects you.  I have found that most people who say that it doesn't work are not really following Dr. D's recommendations.  They will eat a lot of the foods that he lists for their blood type, while continuing to eat avoids.  The combination is not a fair representation of his philosophy.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:32am; Reply: 3
Quoted from mlpaul
So what is one to do?  You try to do the right thing, and then some publication comes out saying something to the contrary.  I have gotten so desparate as conventional medicine has not helped my family (it has worked on temporarily relieving the symptoms, but does not get to the root of the problem) so I dove in head first researching alternative therapies.  The more I read, the more confused I get as what one person says contradicts what another says.   >:(


One thing is that remember that basically everyone outside the BTD world thinks that one-size-fits-all when it comes to diet/nutrition/health information. The BTD is about individuality. So you have to learn to filter everything you read through the BTD filter to see if it makes any sense at all for you and your type. Also you have to realize that all the studies that are done that don't include blood type as a factor are probably going to produce useless results for us.

The best thing I can recommend is read as much as you can about the BTD. All the books and info on Dr. D's website.  This may not provide all the answers for you and your families health issues, but it will provide the proper foundation. Then you can consider additional approaches.

One thing that Dr. D and the BTD has taught me is that I am responsible for my health. My actions (like what I eat and drink, my exercise, and lifestyle) make a much bigger impact on my health then I ever thought before. I feel empowered by the knowledge.
Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 7:30am; Reply: 4
I have been having the same thought as mlpaul, being fairly new myself. What if the short term effects are beneficial, but a lot of it due to just giving up on processed food especially sugar, but the long term effects cannot be seen until they are difficult to treat such as too high iron levels in a high beef diet? Who has been eatring this way for a long time (5 years +) and who has gained full health starting from chronic sickness?
Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 8:27am; Reply: 5
Two simple rules:

What is right for one person may be wrong for another.

Two people can say things that sound contradictory. They can both be right. They can both be wrong. They may be saying the same thing, something different or something unrelated.


In the long run we all have to make our own decisions. Part of that is our experience here on this site. Part of it is what we come across elsewhere. This is a relatively new science. It is still growing. If you want the results of 20 year studies, well, you'll have to wait about 20 years.

My feeling is that the BTD is the best of what is available with today's science. Tommorow BTD will change as new knowledge becomes available. There are no guarantees.

I am personally commited to the BTD for a variety of reasons. You will have to come to your own conclusions.

And yes, the posters here make mistakes sometimes in what they post. We are all learning.




Posted by: Schluggell, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 9:58am; Reply: 6
Quoted from brenda50
...What if the short term effects are beneficial, but a lot of it due to just giving up on processed food especially sugar, but the long term effects cannot be seen until they are difficult to treat such as too high iron levels in a high beef diet?...


Everyone must walk the path they choose for themselves...even this diet as it is now, is fairly recent (particularly with the knowledge of secretor status)...So maybe the concept of a BTD was around far longer...but the benefits and testing could really only be realized recently.

Suffice to say that simply empowering oneself to control diet/health - rather than relying on others, you will be better off. How many years that humans (and all the other animals still do) have survived on this planet, and Allopathic doctors have really only been around several centuries at best.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 10:15am; Reply: 7
Quoted from brenda50
Who has been eatring this way for a long time (5 years +) and who has gained full health starting from chronic sickness?


Hi Brenda
I`ve done this diet /lifestyle 7 years this autumn and so has my daughter who turns 12 years old.
My benefits even with stumble and falls along the path and not always a 100 % commitment has been to half my overweight - I still need some 30 pounds to go.
Get rid off my ezema - get rid of 90 % of my allergic reaction - and no more upset bowels.
I used to have a borderline high colesterol  and it is perfect now
- My doctor couldn´t believe it when I told him about my diet! and my low iron status has gone....

My daughter has spent more than half of her life on this diet and guess what :
she has perfect health - growing healthy - good weight ( a bit thin  at the moment- that is teen life - growing a bit to fast)
No more constipation  no more ezema. She is literally never sick : this winter her whole class and the teachers had areally mean flue... she was the ONLY one who didn´t get it !
She follows the O diet but with the highest amount of grains - and  a bit of cream in the weekend and some potaoes - but gets lots of veggie, fruits,eggs, fish and beef.

Even conventionel scientist are starting to talk about individualized health treatment  and diets... so please try to find your path. among all the talk about healthy lifestyle..... I am not sure that BTD has reached its goal but it is in my opinion the best path at the moment!

Just a recent example: "Finally, the scientific community not only is recognizing the interindividual variation in dietary response and health but is also building the tools to measure it. Therefore, the influence of varying saturated fatty acid intakes against a background of different individual lifestyles and genetic backgrounds should also be considered"

from  http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/3/550
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 10:26am; Reply: 8
I don't have much to add to this thread (which is quite good) except that sometimes NDs have the opposite of the 'not invented here' syndrome; which is actually the I 'can't believe that it has been invented here syndrome.'
Posted by: resting, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 11:13am; Reply: 9
Hi mlpaul,

you ask about contradictions but assume that there is a security in science.  This in itself is very difficult to face.  We are not about being 'scientific' at all, but are involved in a massive chemical experiment.  As one  example: you choose to eat 'organic' .... why isn't all food organic and the 'best' for health??  why do we have GMO's; hybridized crops; junk food; medicine that is alien to your body ... and likely the 'smartest' group of our generation (our doctors), becoming (and endorsing) 'orthodoxy' which is this massive experiment.

the BTD is about being as my health was meant to be .... and shedding much junk in the process makes this controversial.  There is so much more to change it isn't even funny .... read 'Lights Out' by TS Wiley to get such a beginning, then maybe 'Cross Currents' by Robert O. Becker .............. and you will become very leery of 'modern electrical devices' and their adverse impact on human health.  [For instance such radiation can not only unravel but snip pieces of DNA into very small fragments.  The fright over some folks developing leukemia is very real ... but we pay little attention, right!]

We are involved in a massive fight to find out and return too the human base ... I believe where much of our happiness lies .............. just yet,   I am as yet, far from happy!  I am supposed to be content  with our world ... sorry I'm not!  [Drugs - modern medicine - is just NOT part of this base.]

enough of a rant ................

John
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 1:28pm; Reply: 10
Thank-you for your replies.  John - I think I am at the point where you are now (or close).  I do not microwave food anymore, I prepare all our meals (even our snacks) with natural, un-processed ingredients.  I have cut back on our driving and now park at the back of parking lots so we can walk to the store; I have not turned the AC on in our car recently and we enjoy riding with the windows down (in 90 degree weather); I play games with the kids or let them play outside with their friends (in our yard where I can see them) instead of letting the TV/Playstation entertain them.  I do feel like we have "gone back in time," and even more so with the BTD diet.  I have found that rather than appearing "wierd," my kids friends are drawn to our new lifestyle.  I do feel as if it is healthier for us and will help us.  

I will admit that there are times - in the back of my mind - that I question some of the changes I've made in my following the BTD diet - not with the type/quality of food, but more with the quantity (mainly the large intake of meat. . .  reading the reply that the grain-fed meat without growth hormones is more beneficial helped a lot - thank-you!  That's all I buy now!).

Brenda - this is exactly what I was getting at.  Although I feel the changes I'm making now are beneficial to my health and my families, will there be a cost in the future for what I'm doing now - THAT IS NOT YET KNOWN?  The only reason I question this at all is each year a new "healthy way of eating" comes out, or a new insight into how to parent children for their future is published and a few years (or in some cases, many years) down the road, it is dissected and what was thought to be good is not.  Most importantly, I can't find a MD/ND, or anyone - other than those on this forum - to support this!

Your responses to this are correct - it is our choice how to perceive the information that is thrown our way and whether or not we wish to pursue it.  There is no right or wrong answer!  We can't predict the future and our responsibility is dealing with what we are faced with now and the information we currently have.  I guess what linked me into this "new way of eating" is that the logic around it has been around for centuries (and longer) and the fact that it is ingrained in some form or another in all the other diet books.  I like your suggestion of "you have to learn to filter everything you read through the BTD filter to see if it makes any sense at all for you and your type".  Thank-you, Thank-you, Thank-you!!!

Dr. D (and others):  The big question. . .  so how do you find a MD, ND, or SOMEONE to support the BTD or using natural remedies for chronic ailments?  I have combed the websites in my area, asked my doctor, acquaintenances in the medical profession, have made several phone calls from lists received on the web or at Whole Foods (they have their own list) and have yet to find someone who will support me in what I'm trying to do.  This message board is the closest I have come.  Once one finds that one person, how do you get the insurance companies to help pay for it?  These are my two goals and I have been VERY persistant (yes, I'm a type O with a type-A behavior - I will find someone and insurance WILL pay for it - it's only a matter of time  ;D).  I just need some help getting pointed in some kind of direction!  :)  Thank-you!
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 1:52pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from mlpaul
(also surprised due to the fact that some of the ND's I found graduated from the University in Washington State, where Peter D'Adamo graduated from - if I read the book correctly)


Everyone that graduates from a certain school does not automatically believe the same things.  That is the beauty of education - it is not brainwashing.

Quoted from mlpaul
so how do you find a MD, ND, or SOMEONE to support the BTD or using natural remedies for chronic ailments?  I have combed the websites in my area, asked my doctor, acquaintenances in the medical profession, have made several phone calls from lists received on the web or at Whole Foods (they have their own list) and have yet to find someone who will support me in what I'm trying to do.  


I can't tell from what you've written here if you've used the database of BTD practitioners on this website.  

If not, try that.  If so, then perhaps you are just going to have to find the best ND you can, one to whom you can relate and will accept that you follow the BTD.  NDs are trained to understand and accept many different modalities, so that should not be too difficult.  Also, while the BTD is an excellent system, it is not the be-all and end-all of health information and you should not limit your knowledge to it alone.  A good practitioner can expose you to other information that you wouldn't necessarily be able to get elsewhere.

Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 2:04pm; Reply: 12
I did check out the database and found 2 close to where I live.  I called and have not been able to get in touch with them (one has a wrong number).  I will e-mail.  I was a bit curious about what their primary focus was.  It looks like one is a massage therapist and, well, not sure about the other one.  What exactly does the "IfHI Fellow" mean?
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 2:04pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from mlpaul
You try to do the right thing, and then some publication comes out saying something to the contrary.  I have gotten so desparate as conventional medicine has not helped my family (it has worked on temporarily relieving the symptoms, but does not get to the root of the problem) so I dove in head first researching alternative therapies.  The more I read, the more confused I get as what one person says contradicts what another says.


You do not trust conventional medicine, but you do trust conventional media?  I'm not sure what publications you are reading, but as a consumer (and not a health professional) you are limited in your access to the best info, quite frankly.  You can read professional journals, textbooks, etc. but many of these will cost money and without a basic knowledge level you might not be able to understand them in the depth that a practitioner could.  

Be very careful about your sources, and the sources of information here on this forum.  The people here are incredibly friendly and helpful, but you should be cautious about medical advice from non-professionals.  You can use much of the information on this forum (usually personal experience) to understand your own issues, but when someone makes a statement, make sure it is backed up.

A few good websites and why:
The World's Healthiest Foods - Supported by Dr. Joseph Pizzorno, a foremost ND and researcher and respected by Dr. D.  Dr. Pizzorno spoke at the last IfHI conference in 2005.

Environmental Working Group - Recommended at the 2005 IfHI conference by Dr. Walter Crinnion, another speaker.  I believe he will also be speaking at the 2007 conference.

PubMed - One way to comb through tons of publications.  Dr. D uses PubMed too.
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 2:07pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from mlpaul
I did check out the database and found 2 close to where I live.  I called and have not been able to get in touch with them (one has a wrong number).  I will e-mail.  I was a bit curious about what their primary focus was.  It looks like one is a massage therapist and, well, not sure about the other one.  What exactly does the "IfHI Fellow" mean?


Check out my previous post - I linked to the 2007 IfHI conference page.  Practitioners who have passed an exam administered by Dr. D and the IfHI are certified representatives of the BTD.
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 2:25pm; Reply: 15
Thank-you for the information!  I never thought about it this way.  The books I've read lately are those from Dr. Wiel (his monthly publications from 2005 - current), Dr. D'Adamo (ER4YT & now on LR4YT), Jesse Stoff & Charles Pellegrino ("Chronic Fatigue Syndrome"), Dr. Barry Sears ("The Anti Inflammation Zone"), Paul & Patricia Bragg (their "Fasting" book); and a "Natural Health" magazine I pick up occassionally at the Whole Foods store.

You are right about the terminology used in some of the information.  I have had a hard time reading/following some things in LR4YT, some of the posts on this forum, some literature found on the internet, etc.  This is why I am desparately trying to find a doctor who can help me digest the information that's out there and help me find a path that pulls together the information I've read, what I've seen within my body and how it reacts (and those in my family), with their knowledge and understanding (which I have to assume is much greater than mine), and the intermixing of natural and conventional medicines - if needed.

Good news. . . I think I've found an ND that is in my area!!!  Also - at my children's well visit yesterday (with the sole purpose of having them tested for blood type), they saw a new doctor who did not react negatively to what I was saying!  Hopefully, this is a turn in the right direction!
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 3:23pm; Reply: 16
mlpaul, I hope you have finally found someone w/ whom you will be comfortable and that will help you and your family re: BTD. It is tough and especially to find someone that ins will pay for.
My NP is a very intelligent man. Constantly amazes me in the things he knows about the intricate ins and outs of our bodies. However, he is against BTD. We had a brief discussion about this and that has been that. I listen very carefully to what he has to say. What he says contradicting BTD gets tossed. (Back to the filtering comment ;-) )  It amazes me that he doesn't even give BTD a chance, given the fact he has 2 big growths, one on his nose and one behind his ear.  Which tells me he is eating something (and I suspect white potatoes are one huge problem as he readily recommends them to everyone for a good source of potassium) he shouldn't be or not eating something he should be and truthfully, it's probably both. He's strictly against all this hullibalu about meds being the only answer, yet doesn't see that there could be merit to BTD. On the other hand , he has lots of answers about other problems. So I have to take the "good w/ the bad", sort thru it, keep what I feel it right, toss out the rest. :-)  As do we all. :-)

At 100% compliance, I had all sinus issues (many), migraines, all digestive disorders (many) and all arthritis like pains (many)to disappear. I took no meds or supps (other than my thryoid med, which I've been on for over 20 yrs - no gettin off that at this moment, but maybe in time). Purely the change in what I ate made all the difference. As time goes on, I am finding which neutrals don't agree w/ me. It's all a matter of paying strict attn to how your body reacts to each food. Process of elimination. Before BTD, I didn't have a clue as to why my stomach hurt all the time or why I was constipated alot. Once I read the book and got some understanding, things made perfect sense. I expect to be eating BTD the rest of my life. It is even more important if you have health issues. :-)

As Dr. D and his father have been doing this research for some I believe 40 years (combo), and upon lots of reading, I see more and more the "scientific" results of their research. Please continue reading anything you can get your hands on here. You will be continuously amazed.

I have been so inspired by all I've read here that I recently purchased Guyton's Textbook of Physiology. Just makes me want to dig, dig and learn more. It is like a breath of fresh air each and every time I read something that further explains the whys of a disease, a solution to a problem or anything re: how our bodies function.

Hang in there. Look forward to more posts from you and welcome to BTD!!!!  It's the place to be!  ;D(sunny)
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:00pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from mlpaul


I will admit that there are times - in the back of my mind - that I question some of the changes I've made in my following the BTD diet - not with the type/quality of food, but more with the quantity (mainly the large intake of meat. . .  reading the reply that the grain-fed meat without growth hormones is more beneficial helped a lot - thank-you!  That's all I buy now!).




Grass-fed beef is even better than grain-fed.  It is expensive, though, if you have to mail order it. I ordered a huge amount and take some out of the freezer every now and then.  I also buy only grain-fed, natural beef when I shop at the grocery store.  Luckily, in my area it's very inexpensive, often less than the regular beef.  
:)
Posted by: Bethysue, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:09pm; Reply: 18
mlpaul,
In so many ways I feel where you are coming from. As a nurse, I have encountered a few fellow health care people who tell me that the BTD is nuts! or stupid! (these are usually obeese individuals, who think good nutrition is a bag of cheetos)
I was introduced to the BTD from a good friend that owns a health food store in my hometown. I didn't really understand the science behind it when I first read the book & I still really don't. (Remember us " mainstream" health care people maybe get a 3 month class on nutrition if we are lucky & it mostly covers the chemistry of carbs, protiens, & fats & tube feeds/enternal feeds)
Although I am still struggling to get "lethicins, secreting.....ect" when my friend explained what foods, I the A postive was to eat, it all made a lot of sense. At the time I was following Dr. Neal Benards program, which is pretty much a vegan diet. Great for an A, but why the bladder infections from OJ? Why the acid reflux & vommiting from spagetti with red sauce? I was a pretty healthy veg but, I did love salmon & fish. Why did I have to give that up according to Dr. Benard? Salmon is so wonderful for you? (the wild kind that is)

I guess what I am trying to say is, I too have had my trepidations about the BTD but, it always makes the most sense by watching how my body responds to food.
Good luck to you, I hope you find the support & answers you are seeking.
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:13pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from mikendomsmum
Grass-fed beef is even better than grain-fed.   I also buy only grain-fed, natural beef when I shop at the grocery store.  Luckily, in my area it's very inexpensive, often less than the regular beef.  :)


Grass fed beef gives you Omega 3, grain fed Omega 6.  Omega 3 is what we're after. In our society, most peoples' intake of O-6 is way too high.
mikendomsmum,  GFNB less expensive than reg beef,wowweeeee, you're the lucky one. I'm moving to your town!! :-)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:34pm; Reply: 20
I remember reading Barry Sears with rapt attention when his books came out.  Same thing with Andrew Weil.  One of the main problems with these two authors (for me) is, they both don't have a clinical practice.  They don't see patients.

When I read ER4YT, it made perfect sense to me.  I can't wait for The GenoType Diet, because it will include all of Dr. D's research since Live Right.

Every other informative book out there on diet and wellness, does not address us as individuals.  There might be generalities, but they do not take into account our genetic make up.  Each one of us is different because of those genes.  Consequently, our diet needs to be tailored to our genetic profile.

A suit off the rack may fit so-so, but a suit tailor made for your body will enhance how you look and feel, inside and out.

The BTD is the only plan that takes into account your individuality.  That in and of itself shows it is way above any other plan by leaps and bounds.  No other plan takes this into account.  None.

I also recommend looking into the Data Bases of self reporting outcomes to see what a large percentage of individuals reported improvement in a bodily system after just a short period of time.

Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:41pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from pkarmeier


Grass fed beef gives you Omega 3, grain fed Omega 6.  Omega 3 is what we're after. In our society, most peoples' intake of O-6 is way too high.
mikendomsmum,  GFNB less expensive than reg beef,wowweeeee, you're the lucky one. I'm moving to your town!! :-)


Well, it's the grain-fed that's less.  It's Harris Ranch.  The grass-fed beef that I got is from Americangrassfedbeef.com.  It's ok, not the best tasting stuff.  I grind the chuck roasts and we like that in burgers.  The roasts are too tough to eat as a roast beef.  I still don't know what to do with the shoulder roasts, they are very tough and veiny, not even good in the crockpot for a couple of days.   :-/  Stick with the chuck, I guess.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:01pm; Reply: 22
I suggest you buy a different brand of grass fed beef. The beef I buy is very tender.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:04pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from brenda50
. . . What if the short term effects are beneficial, but a lot of it due to just giving up on processed food especially sugar, but the long term effects cannot be seen until they are difficult to treat such as too high iron levels in a high beef diet? Who has been eatring this way for a long time (5 years +) and who has gained full health starting from chronic sickness?


Brenda, this is a very reasonable question, and it might make for an interesting thread, if you cared to start one with a question like this one.   :K)
Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:08pm; Reply: 24
Thanks for the responses to my post, and for the reasurances about health problems going on a high protein diet.

Yes of course it is right that we cannot have a diet that suits all, and we must know our own bodies and most of what I have read about the diet makes sense, but I am still left with the thought that a high animal protein diet goes against 100% of complimentary and conventional medicines' dietary advice. Granted that we must take responsibility ourselves for what we decide to eat, but considering all of the alternative advice, one is taking a chance here long term I think. We cannot see what is going on inside and I read a post on another thread that said that there was a problem with high iron levels. This is the sort of thing that concerns me.

Yes in the past, when there were no convenience foods, people had to eat simply, and a diet of meat and vegetables was the general fare, (was it?) but we cannot recreate the purity of the foods they ate, or be in the same chemical free environment. Maybe our bodies have changed and we cannot handle high animal protein any more? Long term that is. And if we cannot afford to buy the best meat, where does that leave us?

I just do not like going into things 100% without being sure and because of the alternative advice, which is extremely in opposition, and the health problems noted with the Atkins diet, I would really like to have my mind put at rest more.

ps oh just seen your post victoria, should I move this one?
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:10pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from ironwood55
I suggest you buy a different brand of grass fed beef. The beef I buy is very tender.


Yes, you're right.  I was going to try another brand next time.  Which brand do you buy, MoDon?
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:15pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from ironwood55
I suggest you buy a different brand of grass fed beef. The beef I buy is very tender.


I agree.  Good grass fed beef is hands down better than any grain fed beef, for tenderness and flavor.  

You might be able to locate your own rancher who is local to you.

My local butcher has started carrying local grass-fed beef which he ages himself, in response to local requests.  Merchants respond to the interest of their customers, because it represents money for them.  So it could be worth it to talk with your butchers.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:21pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from brenda50


ps oh just seen your post victoria, should I move this one?


No need to if you are getting your needs met here on this thread.  :D

But if you are really curious about how long people have been eating this way and finding out what their long-range results are, it is an option for you to start a new thread about it.  ;)  
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:30pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Victoria


I agree.  Good grass fed beef is hands down better than any grain fed beef, for tenderness and flavor.  

You might be able to locate your own rancher who is local to you.

My local butcher has started carrying local grass-fed beef which he ages himself, in response to local requests.  Merchants respond to the interest of their customers, because it represents money for them.  So it could be worth it to talk with your butchers.


There isn't any grass-fed beef in my area.  There is one farm a couple of hours away but they don't always have it and that's a long ride for a gamble!  Plus, I don't want to get stuck with another freezer full of meat that we don't like so I'd prefer to get a recommendation from someone who has enjoyed the beef they have gotten.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:33pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from brenda50
I... but the long term effects cannot be seen until they are difficult to treat such as too high iron levels in a high beef diet?

First, high iron levels are not hard to treat, just donate blood. Even intense exercise lowers iron levels, which is part of the type O BTD recommendations.

Second, not everyone is going to get high iron levels from eating a high iron diet, probably only those that have the genetic mutations for hemochromatosis.

Third, even if you have hemochromatosis it is not recommended that you avoid healthy whole foods that are high in iron. So even if you are a type O with hemochromatosis the type O BTD would still be the correct diet. You should avoid food products that have added iron, like cereals frequently do.



Posted by: Don, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:37pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from mikendomsmum
Which brand do you buy, MoDon?

I buy from a farm in my state of AL that I found on Eatwild.com.

Burt's Beef
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:41pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from ironwood55

I buy from a farm in my state of AL that I found on Eatwild.com.

Burt's Beef


Thanks Don.  I'll bookmark that and try it after I've finished with this freezerful.
:)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:41pm; Reply: 32
I really liked a thread that EquiPro started many months ago.  She had a realization that type O's needed to focus on abundant fresh beneficial vegetables,  *with meat *. . . rather than focusing on being "MEAT EATERS".  Sometimes O's try so hard to get a lot of meat because they believe that is what they are supposed to do, and they neglect the balance that comes from eating lots of produce.  Always remember the fresh greens, broccoli, romaine salads, and put a beautiful serving of meat on the plate with it.  :-)
Grains do not help most O's.
Think vegetables, meat, fruit, seeds and nuts....
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:50pm; Reply: 33
I think it depends on what your problem or mindset is how you should think about the type O diet.

If you have trouble eating enough protein than you should focus your meals around protein to make sure it is adequately included in every meal.

If you have trouble eating enough vegetables, but not protein, then maybe you need to put vegetables in the forefront of your meal planning.

I don't really have trouble with either issue, but I do plan my meals around the protein to make sure I get the protein I need. Then I just make sure I have enough veggies to fill up on.

Another way to look at it is I can go a meal with out veggies and be OK, but I will not feel my best if I go a meal without protein.
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:56pm; Reply: 34
OK - maybe I SHOULD listen to my body.  Meat does help quite a bit!  I can do without the vegetables as well, but my body DOES WANT the meat!  Switching to meat in the morning and afternoons has helped me to get through the day without feeling hungry all the time and with my sugar/carbohydrate cravings.  I do pick the low fat, grass-fed, antibiotic/hormone free fresh meats (thank goodness I have a Whole Foods store close by).  I have switched from beef to buffaloe and lamb.  I guess time will tell - along with many trials and errors :)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 6:17pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from brenda50
I have been having the same thought as mlpaul, being fairly new myself. What if the short term effects are beneficial, but a lot of it due to just giving up on processed food especially sugar, but the long term effects cannot be seen until they are difficult to treat such as too high iron levels in a high beef diet? Who has been eatring this way for a long time (5 years +) and who has gained full health starting from chronic sickness?


I notice in your siggy line that you are Rh- (which means, you need more protein & less grain servings) and that you have multiple health issues.  Have you considered getting your secretor status tested?  

As a Type O fibromyalgia, I would recommend cutting out grains completely.  In the encyclopedia, Dr. D writes that in the early stages of this disease, just cutting out wheat is all the treatment that is needed.  

Another thought would be to try the recommendations in the FATIGUE book.

Just my two cents here.
Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 7:08pm; Reply: 36
KimonoKat

I am hedging my bets that I am a nonnie with all my health problems but no I have not had the test done yet. I am going away for a month and will not be able to get really into the diet until I return, but have made a start by cutting wheat, and for the last few days all grains apart from brown rice and mainly eating according to the diet. . I may have to eat rye bread when I am away as catering it is going to be difficult. One thing that I noticed once I stopped most grains was my bowels  seemed happier. When I gave up wheat, I felt rough for a day or two but there has not been a significant improvement but I noticed my joints seem more mobile. But when I come back, I will stay off grains totally to see how I get on.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 7:19pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from brenda50
KimonoKat

I am hedging my bets that I am a nonnie with all my health problems but no I have not had the test done yet. I am going away for a month and will not be able to get really into the diet until I return, but have made a start by cutting wheat, and for the last few days all grains apart from brown rice and mainly eating according to the diet. . I may have to eat rye bread when I am away as catering it is going to be difficult. One thing that I noticed once I stopped most grains was my bowels  seemed happier. When I gave up wheat, I felt rough for a day or two but there has not been a significant improvement but I noticed my joints seem more mobile. But when I come back, I will stay off grains totally to see how I get on.


I understand how hard it is to make these changes.  Please note that in the Health Series Books, every one, Rice & Rye for Type O's becomes an infrequent neutral.  This is one of the reasons why I say go grain free.

If you can go grain free for five days, I think you will see a world of difference.


Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 7:34pm; Reply: 38
Thanks KimonoKat. I will definately try going grain free for 5 days and buying some of the books once I get home. I am looking for a safe home due to my chemical sensitivities, and am considering moving to Germany (I am in the UK) which is where I am going for a month, staying in a Christian community which is into natural living so no chemicals, as I think that I will have a better chance there healthwise. No diet on this earth will succeed unless I get my environmental controls up to the necessary standard for me which means definately no formaldehyde or traffic pollution.
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 7:41pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from ironwood55

First, high iron levels are not hard to treat, just donate blood. Even intense exercise lowers iron levels, which is part of the type O BTD recommendations.

Second, not everyone is going to get high iron levels from eating a high iron diet, probably only those that have the genetic mutations for hemochromatosis.

Third, even if you have hemochromatosis it is not recommended that you avoid healthy whole foods that are high in iron. So even if you are a type O with hemochromatosis the type O BTD would still be the correct diet. You should avoid food products that have added iron, like cereals frequently do.


Also, women have a built-in iron regulation mechanism AKA the menstrual cycle.  I once read an interesting article about how this may be one important factor in women's lower risk of heart disease because they regularly flush iron from their bodies.  An accumulation of iron is linked to heart disease.  Donating blood regularly is an easy fix!  

My dad, who can't donate blood due to epilepsy, gets "bled" (real old-fashioned, eh?) regularly to prevent skin outbreaks on his hand (can't remember the disorder name off the top of my head) that are related to iron-levels.  He had this issue his WHOLE LIFE and has only found a solution about 10 years ago.  And the solution is so ridiculously simple and easy!  No drugs required.  Aweome biproduct - no heart issues, despite that fact that his father and two brothers do (2 of these 3 died of heart attack).

Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 7:52pm; Reply: 40
Thanks MoDon for the information about excess iron. I only gave that as one example however, but there are others concerning a high animals fat diet. All health warnings are against a diet like this. Who do we believe on this issue? Going against advise like this is a bit scary.

What if you cannot donate blood because they refuse to take it because you used acupuncture once?

Oh OK just saw the solution on the last post :)
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 8:03pm; Reply: 41
I donate blood regularly (every 8 weeks) even though I also get acupuncture treatments. Most blood donation banks will accept acupuncture if disposable needles were used (at least that is my experience).
Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 8:09pm; Reply: 42
Not in the UK
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 8:11pm; Reply: 43
Your concern about fat or meat in the type O diet is a typical one-size-fits-all (Not) kind of issue.

Type A and AB need to be concerned about eating a low fat diet because a high fat diet is the path to Cadiovascular Disease (CVD) for them.

However, for type O and B the path to CVD is a high starch diet, like eating a lot of grains, which leads to high triglycerides.

One of the main reasons for this is the difference in the amount of Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase (IAP) in the different blood types, with type O having the most and type A having the least.

My blood lipid numbers (HDL 55, total Cholesterol 170, Triglycerides 50) and blood pressure (108/68 ) are great!
Posted by: Serena (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 8:19pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from brenda50
... I only gave that as one example however, but there are others concerning a high animals fat diet. All health warnings are against a diet like this. Who do we believe on this issue? Going against advise like this is a bit scary.
...


While Dr. D recommends red meat, he suggests we get LEAN red meat. Which cuts down on the sat fats. Moreover, free range beef (or better yet bison) will have less sat fat than standard commercial beef. If I remember correctly, the difference is animals kept in pens develop more intramuscular fat- while free range animals just get the usual layer of fat. This means that free range meat will have less fat in the muscle than animals fed in pens. And lets not forget that when doctors comment on diets "high in sat fats" that that includes fat from pigs, and dairy products, and lard, and fat from the processed food. While an O diet may be high in animal protein, it is supposed to be high in LEAN animal protein, and does not allow for many of the other methods of ingesting sat fats that the standard american diet does. So relax, and enjoy the delectable taste of red meat :)
Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 8:22pm; Reply: 45
Thanks MoDon. Good figures! I think that I am just having trouble getting my head around the idea of so much meat in the O diet having been a macrobiotic for so long. But I am starting to feel happier. After all, if the current advice is right, how come there are so many heart attacks still? I know at a gut level that grains are not good for me. And I have always tried to fight against my desire for more meat.
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 9:29pm; Reply: 46
Brenda,  this is where my concerns have been.  You wrote . . .
Quoted Text
"I think that I am just having trouble getting my head around the idea of so much meat in the O diet having been a macrobiotic for so long. But I am starting to feel happier. After all, if the current advice is right, how come there are so many heart attacks still? I know at a gut level that grains are not good for me. And I have always tried to fight against my desire for more meat".  
 I have also struggled with going against my desire for meat.  I think it has been embedded in our minds that meat is not good for "us" (the general public).  This thinking will take some time to be reversed.  The more I read on this forum, the more comfortable I feel about eating meat - and other protein-related items.  I do buy the natural meat and I think this helps as well.  I can tell a difference in how I feel when I eat the meat - I feel better!  Hopefully as I continue with this diet, I can change my way of thinking about meat.
Posted by: martynmills (Guest), Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 9:56pm; Reply: 47
Hi Brenda,

Go with you  gut feeling, I find the people on this site very honest and open.  The have nothing to gain from you.  People pushing diet fads are there to make money.

I could not believe that this information "ER4YT" has been around for ten years.  It will prove itself and you will see the benifits in avery short time.

I have only been on the diet for 3 weeks and believe me I am eating better and more than I ever have and my weight is dropping.

Martyn
Posted by: resting, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 11:29pm; Reply: 48
Hi Melanie and Brenda,

You two mention a trouble with eating meat ... this 'problem' is much more physical than you may think .... macrobiotics is very, very close to a vegan diet ... if the fish and the infrequent eggs/dairy are left out.  An excess of copper can easily lead one to a false impression of superiority of a vegan diet [our MoDon quoting from the doctor who is the world's authority on copper toxicity - Dr. Wilson].

I have harped on this too much for this board's old-timers.  The structure that our cells use to sequester zinc is: M-Zn-taurine where M is the outer membrane-wall of cells; the little (-) sign means tightly bound to; Zn is the chemical name for zinc; then another (-) sign; and finally, H-SO3-CH2-CH2-NH2 called 'bound'-taurine.  This structure is fluid because when the insides of cells needs zinc a signal transforms AA (arachidonic acid) into PgE2 (a big problem for Barry Sears but he only knows about AA being transformed.  He does not know about the zinc connection, nor that the zinc-taurine bond is 'the' major membrane stabilizer and is anti-inflammatory.) to get some zinc by freeing the taurine and leading the captive zinc through the membrane-wall to the cell's insides.  People with A type blood seem to be very efficient at re-cycling the free-taurine in their kidneys ; O's are much less efficient here and need a continuing source of taurine ... only found in meat, eggs and fish.  The way this structure is arranged - both zinc and taurine have to be present ... it is like a brick and mortar ... but you will never find these together in a supplement.

Oh yeah often a too high zinc level reduces copper and too high copper reduces zinc.

Taurine is also a zwitterion ... sounds like: 'twitter-eye-on' ... and means that it has a positive charge at one end (to bind to Zn++) and a negative charge at the other end.  This gives cells (because all bound-taurine faces outwards) a negative charge on their surface.  These charges keep cells apart and avoid clumping together.  [in our modern era this rare fact helps to buffer some of the effects of electric devices because these all have an electric field.  Very often folks with environmental sensitivities lack sufficient membrane-bound taurine, and do not have a strong buffering/repelling charge, imho.]

There is more to this story too .............

John
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 5:35am; Reply: 49
Quoted from mlpaul
Brenda,  this is where my concerns have been.  You wrote . . .   I have also struggled with going against my desire for meat.  I think it has been embedded in our minds that meat is not good for "us" (the general public).  This thinking will take some time to be reversed.  The more I read on this forum, the more comfortable I feel about eating meat - and other protein-related items.  I do buy the natural meat and I think this helps as well.  I can tell a difference in how I feel when I eat the meat - I feel better!  Hopefully as I continue with this diet, I can change my way of thinking about meat.


For 25 years, I was vegetarian.  About half of that time I was vegan, the other half, I followed macrobiotic eating.  Oh, and for several years toward the end, I added dairy and eggs to my macrobiotic (starchetarian) diet.  In the beginning, I felt wonderful and clean from being meat-free.  After a few years, my health went steadily downhill, and I suffered from a ruptured appendix, followed by decades of irritable bowels, weight gain, and depression.  I went through breast cancer and sky-rocketing cholesterol.
I have now been eating for my blood type honestly for 3 1/2 years.  I say honestly because for the first 5 years I didn't know my secretor status, and I ate a lot of avoids along with the many neutrals and a few beneficials.  It was pretty half hearted, and I didn't benefit much from it.  But since I have been following it 100%, my cholesterol levels have gradually returned to a safe level.  My digestion is free from distress for the first time that I can remember.  My skin is clear.  I have dropped weight without dieting and I am holding at 20 pounds less than I was 8 years ago.  Even my doctor mistakenly thought I was 10 years younger than I really am.

People regularly apologize to me for eating meat around me, and seem surprised when I tell them that I eat lamb nearly every day.  They tell me that meat eaters aren't supposed to look so healthy and clear.  I know they don't understand.  I watch a couple of dear type O friends going steadily downhill by trying to be vegetarians.  They are afraid to change.
Posted by: brenda50 (Guest), Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 9:34am; Reply: 50
Serena

Thanks I will keep that in mind and trim the excess fat and make sure I get free range meat. It is true that a high animal protein diet including dairy and pork, is not the same thing. I am feeling a great deal more relaxed now about it.

Martyn

Interesting that it has been around for 10 years. I did not know that. I believe in going with our gut feelings. I have fought against mine regarding meat, it was strange, I felt a little bit ashamed of how much I liked it. Living with vegetarians probably influenced this a bit   :B I felt like ferocious preditor and cut right down on the meat I ate. Good to  hear that it is helping you. I am so encouraged that I might drop grains now instead of waiting. With a bag of walnuts, pumpkin seeds and prunes, I should not starve while I am away.

mlpaul

Yes I agree that it will take a while for the negative thoughts to go completely. I suppose increasingly feeling better will help dispel the myths. I have always felt better too after eating beef especially. When I think about it my mouth starts to water which makes me feel a little ashamed still.

John

Wow. That is so interesting,

Quoted Text
An excess of copper can easily lead one to a false impression of superiority of a vegan diet


Cats have problems with taurine too don't they when they are forced into going without meat? I was taking supplements for it at one time after I heard that people with chemical sensitivity needed more. I don't thing that I stayed on it long enough to see a difference though. I would rather have a juicy steak I think
8) I would love to hear more.

Victoria

Yiour experience as a macrobiotic are interesting to me. I too felt very clean inside after starting to eat that way. And I also felt very calm and centered. The way I felt totally convinced me about the diet. And after a few very strict months, I had a wonderful discharge which was amazing. It lasted about three days and the stuff that came out of my armpit was unbelievable, really sticky and stinky. I have heard that hairdressers discharge hair dyes etc out of their hands when they do this. It lifted my health up a notch afterwards which was great as I was seriously ill at the time. I never managed another discharge though. I was unable to stay strict enough. The psychological stress doing this was counter productive. If I had been having a steak or two it might have been different! Eventually my appetite went and I became seriously underweight and ill. My skin went yellowish and I looked very ill indeed. Funnily enough, I developed a grumbling appendix too but treat it in the macrobiotic way by starving for a couple of days and applying a tofu poultice. I won't say too much against macrobiotics because I learnt  some good ways to treat conditions using natural means. One drink I have used whilst having a chest infection and not being able to take anti-biotics, has saved my life many a time ie ginger and lotus root tea. But the diet is not perfect, which no doubt this one is not either, and I think that there is no shortcut in doing what macrobiotics teach which is to listen to our bodies and i was not actually doing that when I was wanting meat. They say that a man is either his own physician or a fool by the time he is 40. I am sure that mb is the answer for certain blod groups and not for others like you and me. It is all a matter of weighing things up and getting to know our bodies and appreciating what wonderful things they are, having a knowledge of their own that will guide us. Not scary after all!
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 10:41am; Reply: 51
All I have to say is Whoa...I love this thread. :D

Debra :)
Posted by: SheriBerry, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 12:39pm; Reply: 52
When I was a vegetarian, I thought I was eating  the best things for my body... but my body showed signs of stress... I had acne, my weight flucuated too much, and I deveoloped arthritis in my knees .. oh, and I can't TELL you how exhausted I was all the time...

so, when someone suggested I do the BTD, I was very sad to give up the vegetarian foods I loved... and  I really feared eating meat for health reasons...

but now that all my problems are  totally under control, I see that the  foods I was eating , albeit "healthy", were NOT for me.. all the grains and wheat were most inflamitory for me...

so, yes, I do worry that I eat a lot of beef.. but my body tells me that it's healthy now, and I think that's THE biggest testiment one could find..

I've been  following the O  diet for about three years now, and I have been meaning to get some bloodwork done just to "see".. back when I was a vegetarian, I had this done, and my levels were " high", as my dr. put it.. for someone who  was a vegetarian and runner... so we'll see  what is says when I eventually go back...
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 2:44pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from mlpaul
Many hesitated to answer that question and those that did said that it is a good diet; however, it is not for everyone - especially those with food sensitivities/allergies.

To me, that is such a strange response for them to give since the BTD is the BEST diet for food allergies, imho.  Why?  Well, first of all, even for healthy (non-allergic) pups, it tells us to eat foods that work in harmony with our own individual "hard-wiring", and thus are not inflamatory or irritating to us.  Second, if one does have allergies, often the allergies are to avoids for your type.  Third, if someone has an allergy to a food that is beneficial or neutral for their type (such as, for example, Cassandra the blogger is allergic to beef and is Type O), the BTD does NOT say, well, you HAVE to eat that because it is on your beneficial or neutrals list.  No way, if you have a true allergy to any given food, of course you would not eat it, and that would not contradict the BTD in any way!!!  I mean, ostrich is beneficial for my type, yet I've never eaten it because it is extremely difficult to obtain, for one thing.  Just because I've never eaten that particular beneficial, doesn't mean I'm not on the BTD.  The beneficial and neutral lists just give us foods to choose from, they do not say we must eat ALL of the foods on the beneficial list (and/or on the neutral list).

So I don't get how any ND who actually knows anything about the specifics of the BTD could tell someone in good conscience that the BTD is not for people with food allergies or sensitivites.  I would say hogwash to that one.
Quoted from mlpaul
So what is one to do?  You try to do the right thing, and then some publication comes out saying something to the contrary.  I have gotten so desparate as conventional medicine has not helped my family (it has worked on temporarily relieving the symptoms, but does not get to the root of the problem) so I dove in head first researching alternative therapies.  The more I read, the more confused I get as what one person says contradicts what another says.   >:(

I understand your confusion and frustration, but I agree wholeheartedly with MoDon:  most diet and nutritional advice is coming from a one-size-fits-all perspective, whereas the BTD is tailored to the individual.  As BTDers, we must learn to filter any sensational health news headlines and anything else we read/hear about diet/nutrition/health through our BTD glasses.  That is first and foremost.  However, there is way more to why so many of us are understandably confused than just the one-size-fits-all, reductionist approach that the mainstream society has to such issues.  There is also the sad fact that so much of what passes for "expert" advice and unbiased studies, etc., are actually funded by either big agribusiness (as in, the wheat and corn and junk-food pushers, not to put too fine a point on it), or by big pharmaceutical companies (as in, people who want you sick and taking pills).  Frankly, though this may sound somewhat Oliver-Stoneish/conspicacy-theoryish, I view EVERYTHING I hear, diet/nutrition/health news-wise, with a VERY critical eye until I figure out several things:

1.  Who sponsored the study?  This is key.  Follow the money, babies, and be amazed.

2.  Related to #1:  What is the agenda of the sponsor(s)?

3.  Do they have a one-size-fits-all approach?

If you approach it with such a critical and discerning eye, and look into the three questions above, then usually a lot of the confusion and frustration peels away very quickly and things become quite stunningly clear.
Quoted from mlpaul
At the moment, I have switched to eating all organic foods and cut out all refined, processed and "un-natural" foods.  We all felt better.   :)

Excellent!
Quoted from mlpaul
I then moved to the BTD...To be honest, I'm worried about eating so much meat (we do like it and feel better when we eat it, but what if it is hurting our insides as some doctor's mention - i.e. heart disease, cancer, cholesterol, etc. - and we just don't know it yet?).

Actually, the BTD even for O's does not recommend "so much meat".  The recommended portions of meat for O's is actually very small compared to the typical American diet.  It is high-quality, nutrient-dense, small portions.  The basis of the O diet is vegetables and fruit.  Of course, protein is very, very crucial and key, but there isn't much of it.  Just be sure to eat some several times per day, but again, in small portions ideally.  About the heart disease, cholesterol, etc. that we "just don't know about yet", seriously, don't worry, it is the opposite, the BTD by nature is very healing and balancing and will work with your body to prevent all those dread diseases.  Example:  my BP was 140/90 years ago when I followed what the "experts" said to do (high grain, low-fat, etc.).  Now?  112/64, thank you very much!  BTD, baby.

As you said in a later post in this thread, trust yourself.  I'm an intuitive type and I find this diet highly, highly intuitive.  Our bodies, even after years of dietary abuse resulting in a profoundly messed up internal compass, do usually, on some deep level, know what is good for them and will readily respond once they are finally given what they need.  In the immortal words of Janis Joplin "If it feels nice, don't think twice"...then again, she died young of a drug overdose (!!!), so let me pick someone else to quote *lol*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Let's try this instead:  "If it makes sense, don't dispense (with it *lol*).

Johnny Cochran, OUT!
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 3:49pm; Reply: 54
Another vegetarian story:
My mother was a vegetarian for many years.  During that time she became depressed and suicidal and was hospitalized for a while.  She then got a very rare cancer and went through surgery and chemo.  After all that, she figured that being vegetarian wasn't doing anything to safeguard her against these things so she went back to meat.  Pork.  She missed pork a lot when she was a veggie.  For the past 20 years she's been eating a lot of pork.  She's always been a starchatarian (love that word!) and can't live without her crackers, breads, corn.  Now she's over-emotional, moody, chronic fatigue, fibro, overweight and alone.  She's an O.  
Posted by: Lynn, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 3:53pm; Reply: 55
  Years before "Eat Right for Your Type" was even thought of, I suffered from Rheumatoid Arthritis. Rejecting conventional medicine, I spent eight years going to ND's, Herbalists, Chiropractors, Massage Therapists, and trying magnets, stones, meditation, energy healing, or any other alternative to drugs that might help with my pain. No one told me to get off of the wheat, I was a vegetarian, and my pain was so chronic and severe for such a long span of years, that I was depressed and prone to panic attacks. The misery of my daily existence was terribly sad, but I never gave up hope.

  When I found the Blood Type Diet, I was pain free in 3 months. The very first book, the simple diet in that version cured me. Oh the joy! As great as my pain had been, my joy at being pain free was even greater. I went back to all those people who had treated me, and they acted like it was no big deal. Many said they didn't agree with the book at all, claimed it was not based on science. Clearly they had not read it, and the fact that I was standing before them healthy, and pain free made no impression at all. They were so perturbed by my claims that they didn't even express happiness for me, and some of these people are my friends, even today. After this many years I have to accept their willful ignorance. I have also realized through the years most doctors are not scientists at all. This type just do as they were taught, and have no curiosity about anything else. No wonder they are shocked when we, the mere "patient", questions anything, because they almost never do. Those kind simply dismiss anything not familiar to them, or reject ideas because they scare them. My sisters doctor, (who used to be mine, by the way), admitted that it is hard to advise against what the majority are saying, even when research shows Atkins to be right.

  I am not saying all Vegans are like this, but I have met  enough to know that some would rather suffer ill health, and even die, rather than eat meat. This type think the rest of us should be willing to do the same. That veganism, or vegetarianism is not healthy for everyone, is a fact of life, but this is not the issue for this type of person. Protecting animals is thier issue, and anything that can be done to bring this about is okay, regardless of the consequences to this O type's health.

  I can't speak for anyone but myself. Yet I do know what is going on inside my body, because it tells me when I am eating wrong. The healthy cholesterol levels, and other conventional "scientific" tests show that my high meat diet is working fine. At nearly 50 years, I have zero health issues when many of my peers are struggling with allergies, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and worse.

  The truth is I can't eat the whole wheat, vegetarian diets anymore. My mind and body can't function at all on that stuff. I can't eat fruit as a meal, it makes me tired. Can't eat a lot of beans, they double me over in pain. Whole grains and starchy vegetables make me feel hungry and drained. Yet these are the foods the FDA, traditional ND's and many alternative practitioners still insist are good for me.

Most of us here on the forum, have arrived at a place where we are thrilled with what  the BTD diet has given us. We are willing to grow with it as new discoveries are made. When something does not work for us, we don't throw out the diet, we modify it for our individual needs. That is what the good Doctor has taught us that no one else has. That we are individuals, and it's okay to adapt foods according to our unique needs. All we can do is share that experience with you and others.
 
  In the end, we all have to choose for ourselves who we are going to listen to, and then, what we are going to eat. I choose the O diet because it works. Why would I listen to anyone other than my body? I am the expert, thanks to Dr. D'Adamo and my willingness to learn. So I just love it when people tell me every expert out there is against this diet. All I can say is, they are all wrong, each and every one of them.
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 4:26pm; Reply: 56
Lynn, what a story. I am so glad you are pain free!  There is nothing like beingt in pain everyday, going to bed w/ it, waking up w/ it, thinking it will never leave you. Then wahlah!!!  You find the answers! When one lives the experience, how do you doubt it, right? :-)  At 100% compliance, I found relief from all of my ailments. That's what I want my DH to do. Experience it for himself. Just one mth and he'd never go back! You know :-)
It IS very hard to stand by and watch all your friends and family be sick and miserable when there is a simple solution. Nothing we can do but plant and water.  ;D
I've come to realize that for me right now, I, too, am going to have to avoid fruit. Due to weak adrenals. I look forward to the day I can eat it again w/o feeling tired and wiped out.
LOVE your comment: "I just love it when people tell me every expert out there is against this diet. All I can say is, they are all wrong, each and every one of them."  You are so right! :-)
Re: the comment about the thread EquiPro had started about eating more veggies and fruits and having meat as more of a side dish. Made sense to me when I read it. Tried it. Found it didn't work for me. I need more meat, so I went back to eating the way I did before. Just one more thing that points to the individualism of this "diet". :-)
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 6:56pm; Reply: 57
What fantastic posts on this thread....Great questions from mlpaul and Brenda.  Intelligent and fluent responses from so many of you.  

Lynn, Thank you for that wonderful glimpse of your history.  That is fantastic...the results you have had.

And P.Twisty I love your way with words, and what you said made so much sense.  I also was thinking of some of the well-known doctors, etc. who are putting down the BTD.  It strongly occurs to me that if they accept and support the science behind this way of eating, they would have to change the position that has made them a lot of money and sold books for them.  
Posted by: Don, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 4:18pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from John_McDonell_O+
You two mention a trouble with eating meat ... this 'problem' is much more physical than you may think .... macrobiotics is very, very close to a vegan diet ... if the fish and the infrequent eggs/dairy are left out.  An excess of copper can easily lead one to a false impression of superiority of a vegan diet [our MoDon quoting from the doctor who is the world's authority on copper toxicity - Dr. Wilson].

Here is the article about Copper Toxicity Syndrome.

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 4:24pm; Reply: 59
Thanks Don
It was a very interesting read :-)
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Thursday, July 13, 2006, 5:10pm; Reply: 60
Thank-you for the article on Copper Toxicity Syndrome.  I was reading an article in the Natural Health magazine ("Make One Change - A Simple Step Toward Wellness") about copper and the need to add to one's diet.  It suggested purchasing a copper cup, filling it up with water, letting it sit overnight and drinking it the next morning as a way to rid the body of toxins, support the immune system and enhance digestion.  It states "Daily Detox:  Sip water from a copper cup to flush out toxins."  

I'm glad you made this post - I almost purchased a copper cup.  
Posted by: resting, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 5:30pm; Reply: 61
sorry I made a faux-pas,

the genetic condition for copper-toxicity is called: Wilson's Disease ... I strongly doubt these are the same person (as I had assumed).  

As it turns out though .... this Dr. L. Wilson may have a more thorough approach to handling this than others.  Thanks MoDon.

A big rage these days is to wear a copper bracelet to minimize pain of arthritis ... adherents often talk of the 'superiority' of this method.

John
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, July 23, 2006, 6:27pm; Reply: 62
Adding my experience:

Every doctor, chiropractor, naturalpath, etc., i have been too has poo pooed this way of eating.  i don't understand it.  ego maybe?  

i am not 100% compliant.  sometimes we have lifes that do not allow us to be in our kitchens preparing the ER4YT foods at all times.  I certainly do not and I am a former food addict so I do not lay heavy restrictions on myself or it backfires into a binge.  

when i am eating according to my blood type about 75% of the time, it's great.  it works.  recently had all kinds of blood work done and my cholerestal is fantastic and that is after years of binging on horrid junk foods and coffee.  But the binging has subsided and i've cut out coffee completely.  Coffee (even though I love it), is like a demon in my system exasperating the cravings. I eat alot of red meat and have ghee on my toast and almond butter and eggwhite protein shakes and vegies (not as many as I should); and fruits and i have green tea soy latte's at starbucks - WITH whip and sometimes a treat there as well.  

For me eating right 70-75% of the time is huge!  And it's done wonders for my health and brain chemistry.

So I think the professionals in the health and medicine world are poo pooing this because they have ego's or are mis-informed and don't have the time to sit down and really study it and they also get their own plans going that they can then sell to their patients.  

I just don't listen.  It has caused doubt in me but i've learned to just depend on how i feel.  And that's what we all really have to do.  I was fanatic for years on this diet, that diet, the other diet.. God I was going insane!  It feels good to give myself the freedom to pick and choose and i'm so sick of feeling sick that most of the time, that I find I choose healthy.

onward... :)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 23, 2006, 8:22pm; Reply: 63
good job FM!! keep it up!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, July 23, 2006, 9:17pm; Reply: 64
::) what I observed was : chronic ailments are almost created by MD's and pharmalobby ::) sorry but this is truth and they can't really help in such cases because they ARE la causa !!!!

Our faultive expectancies  about *healings- and time to get healed off* whatsoever...is just  :-/ :o :B 8) nah = obsolete......thatswhy we have to re-learn how to do, how to
treat ourselves correctly and most important of all is: to realize and to be able to get the differences between good and :P infos; means we should give IfHI muchmore importance....= really much more !!!
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Monday, July 24, 2006, 2:33pm; Reply: 65
When I originally started this thread, I was very new to the BTD diet and had a lot of questions.  My concerns stemmed from those in the medical profession not supporting something that I thought would get to the root of the problem rather than just continuing to treat all the individual problems.  I could not understand why they would not support this - after all, they have been through all this medical training - they should understand it better than I do!  If it makes perfect sense to me - a person without any medical training (but lots of knowledge from family members with CFIDS, Fibromalysia, Auto Immune Distorders, Post polio syndrome, Asthma, etc.), then they should support it.  

All the posts on this thread and other threads have really helped me to understand what is going on with those in the medical field who don't "get it."  What really helped me was when I got to Chapter 8:  The Key to Living Right in the LR4YT book.  The section entitled "Making the Most of This Book" really put things into perspective for me.  I'm glad that Dr. D included this in his book and I agree with everything that he mentions.  It calmed me down as I had the same reactions at the beginning that he was describing.  

I'm not 100% compliant either, but I am much healthier!  I try to stay away from all the voids, but every now and then - especially when I have company over - I will eat pound cake, something battered and fried, popcorn, etc.  When I'm home with just my family, I do fine.  We do treat ourselves once in awhile to a milkshake, or a hamburger - without the bun, etc.  I have added as many of the beneficials as I can and when I go shopping, I carry a list I created with me of all the foods that are beneficial/neutral for my type.  I have tried new things and have found some that I really enjoy (pineapple juice  ;D).  

I'm at a point now where I'm comfortable with what I'm doing and know that I'm still on the path of learning - and will probably always be there.  I know view this as a good thing and not something to be scared or cautious of.  I'm actually more aware of how my body feels after stress, activity, certain foods, etc.  It's pretty exciting!

I went to my doctor last week for another round of antibiotics (hopefully for the last time as I've started using a neti-pot) and she asked me how I was doing on the diet  :o .  I told her the swelling around my ankles has disappeared (they thought I had sprained my ankle), I have more energy, my "brain fog" has gotten better, I've lost some weight, etc.    She seems to have accepted this more and says that she is glad that I am healthier!  I feel much better now!  I thank-you all for your posts!  They really helped me to get through my doubt about the BTD and through the tough times I had at the beginning!  :)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, July 24, 2006, 3:26pm; Reply: 66
Melanie, the longer you are on the BTD, the more any doubts you had will melt into the mists, as the good results you have reported thus far (like the ankle swelling going down, etc.) are only the beginning.  I'm excited for you and I'm glad you both asked the questions you had, and feel comfortable with the responses you received.  Keep asking questions if any pop up, a questioning mind is a healthy mind!
Posted by: italybound, Monday, July 24, 2006, 3:33pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from mlpaul
I have tried new things and have found some that I really enjoy (pineapple juice  ;D).  


Melanie, as you're already enjoying the pineapple juice, if you'd like a nice soda-like drink, try adding some seltzer water to it. Oh so good!!  Great pineapple taste w/ fizz!!  ;)
I just also wanted to say, you have a great attitude. Great posts as well
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 24, 2006, 3:36pm; Reply: 68
Melanie,
that s the spirit!!! )
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, July 24, 2006, 9:50pm; Reply: 69
So as a testimony to eating avoids or not eating them I should say... (!) last night we went for mexican food and I usually am strong enough to stay away from the corn chips and salsa.. but not last night.

This morning my left knee (which has osteoarthritis in it), was aching for no reason and my little finger on my left hand that acts up when i eat avoids (ESP CORN AND WHEAT), was hurting.  

so once again, the body never lies....

:)  onward!
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 2:04am; Reply: 70
Quoted from funkymuse
was hurting.  so once again, the body never lies....:)  


You can say that two times!!  ;D     Like a real dingbat, I caved and had a BLT on white bread yesterday. Went to bed w/ a nagging headache, so took something before bed, woke up w/ it and it turned into a full blown migraine today despite taking medicine for it twice. Now WHY does that not surprise me!!  ::) :o   Still can't believe I ate bacon!!  Talk about being chock FULL of JUNK!!  Geeezzzzzzzzzzz!
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 10:43am; Reply: 71
I am starting to be able to recognize how certain foods affect my body - i.e. when I eat wheat products, my tendonitis flares up,  I have pain in my foot and back and I get stomach cramping.  Unfortunately, I've been so use to having those pains and cramping, that it feels somewhat normal to me.  I do feel better when I'm following the BTD diet and those pains disappear.  I can't wait to have a "new normal."

I do very well when I'm by myself and have gone shopping (and made dinner as it is my lunch and snack the next day).  If I get out of this routine, or I have company over - which happens a lot, I slip up.  They joke about the diet saying "you can't have cucumbers?  But they are good for you," or "it won't hurt you to have a little bite."  They look in my kitchen for food and I can tell they are hungry and don't see anything that they are use to eating.  

Over the weekend, my mother-in-law cooked breakfast for the family and when I sat down, there were eggs and potatoe (cooked together), rolls with cheese on top, olives and pancakes.  I boiled two eggs and while waiting, nibbled on the egg and potatoe - a few small bites.  They teased me about what I was eating (in their culture, it is rude not to eat when food is put in front of you) and by the time the eggs were done, I was not hungry.  They open the book I'm reading and disect the diet - why can't you have cantalope?  It's good for you.  All the foods I like are in the avoid column - how can you go without eating these? etc., etc., etc.  I want to tell them - "thank-you for supporting me with something I believe in and something that will keep me healthy.  If you don't want to do it, that's fine, but don't tease me just because I've found a new way of living that you don't understand.  Just respect my wishes!"  I guess it's just human nature to put down things you don't understand.  I had a hard time with this at first as well.
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 2:43pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from mlpaul
I am starting to be able to recognize how certain foods affect my body - i.e. when I eat wheat products, my tendonitis flares up,  I have pain in my foot and back and I get stomach cramping.  


This comes very naturally once you know to "look" for it. Before BTD I had NO clue that the foods I was eating were causing all my problems. Feel like a big dork now.  ::)

Quoted from mlpaul
I do very well when I'm by myself and have gone shopping (and made dinner as it is my lunch and snack the next day).  If I get out of this routine, or I have company over - which happens a lot, I slip up.  They joke about the diet saying "you can't have cucumbers?  But they are good for you," or "it won't hurt you to have a little bite." .


Par for the course for many of us to slip when away from home. Don't beat yourself up over it.  ;)      I put up w/ this same cr*p from my DH and daughter. I have the satisfaction in knowing, and once in a while I even tell them so, that I will have "the last laugh".  ;D


Quoted from mlpaul
They teased me about what I was eating (in their culture, it is rude not to eat when food is put in front of you) They open the book I'm reading and disect the diet - why can't you have cantalope?  It's good for you.  All the foods I like are in the avoid column - how can you go without eating these? etc., etc., etc.


who needs enemies, eh?  ;) :K)

 
Quoted from mlpaul
I want to tell them - "thank-you for supporting me with something I believe in and something that will keep me healthy.  If you don't want to do it, that's fine, but don't tease me just because I've found a new way of living that you don't understand.  Just respect my wishes!"  I guess it's just human nature to put down things you don't understand.  


I'd see absolutely nothing wrong w/ telling them how you feel. Had to have this same conversation w/ the DH. Now he keeps it to himself. Everyone has different likes, dislikes, interests, whatever.  Those differences need to be respected.  :)  It might be some peoples' human nature to put down things they don't understand, but it isn't very loving. I feel that same way w/ the DH and daughter. THEY are the ones that are suffering however.  ::)

Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 5:20pm; Reply: 73
I agree with Italy's last comment.  You may need to make some kind of statement to them.  Think about it until you come up with something you can feel good about saying. You can be kind and still let them know that they aren't treating you with respect.

After that, I would probably keep my book in a private place and don't let them treat your eating choices disrespectfully.  I would just not get hooked into a discussion about it one way or the other.  I was married to an old world Italian for 18 years.  There was no way his family was going to change and I knew they didn't respect my choices.  So I tried to keep it from becoming an issue.  However, I decided that I didn't deserve to be put down, and I let them know that.  
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 5:27pm; Reply: 74
(dance)(clap) :D well done Victoria  :K)
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 5:33pm; Reply: 75
Victoria,

I can relate to your comments.  There are some "ways of thinking" that are embedded in a family/culture and trying to change them is an uphill battle that can't be won.  This is what made me sooo sick!  I have since given up, I do speak my mind (usually - not yet about their BTD comments - to his family anyways) and know that if I take care of my health and my children's health (which we still disagree to some extent on), then that is all that matters.  Either he will come around, or he will continue to suffer.  He does follow the diet somewhat.  Recently, he cut out all wheat and dairy, but still eats some avoids.  The problems also come from his family - mainly his mother!  She is so resistant to change!  He tends to cave in when she's around.  That's understandable though.  The battle between pleasing wife and mother - or really not wanting to upset his mother.  

Things are starting to get better - just VERY slowly.  I guess this is to be expected.  I still have that darn type A personality - want everything fixed right now.  I am learning to be ever more patient!  ;D

Thank-you for your comments - it looks like I am not alone in this battle!
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 5:42pm; Reply: 76
You're welcome, Melanie.  And Hi Isa!  Hugs to you!

Nothing is more important than your health.  Not your husbands health, and not even your childrens health.  Because if your health unravels, you will not be able to take care of your loved ones.  So take care of yourself first, and no matter what you have to do, find a way to eat for your health.  Just let everyone else do/think/say/act however they choose.  It isn't your job to convince or change anyone else, until they are ready and actually ask for your help.  But you can stop them from manipulating you.
Posted by: Serena (Guest), Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 5:43pm; Reply: 77
Whenever I say I don't eat x, and someone says "but x is healthy" I tend to say, maybe it's healthy for you, but it's poison to me, so I have no desire to ingest it.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 7:00pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from Serena
Whenever I say I don't eat x, and someone says "but x is healthy" I tend to say, maybe it's healthy for you, but it's poison to me, so I have no desire to ingest it.


A great response Serena.  Good for you okay, but I'm different: not good for me.  And leave it at that.

Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 12:57am; Reply: 79
Quoted from mlpaul
 I still have that darn type A personality - want everything fixed right now.  I am learning to be ever more patient!  ;D
it looks like I am not alone in this battle!


I too have that "I want everything fixed now" personality and trying to  learn at the same time to be more patient. You are not alone in either of your battles.  ;)
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 1:38am; Reply: 80
I know a lot of people on Atkins.  I ask them their blood types, and I learn something interesting but not surprising.  The people I know who did well on Atkins (lost weight, looked great, felt energetic) were Os and Bs.  The people I know who felt aweful on Atkins and may have lost weight but gained a bunch of stomach aches were As.

I do have something I want to add here.  It's been tumbling around in my mind for a while, after reading many posts that leaned in a certain direction, almost a religious one....What I mean is this:  The Blood Type Diet is not a religion.  I think people tend to think of diets as religions.  "I cheated, and now I pay for it."  Or, "I've been good--I won't gain weight (the ultimate "punishment" for food-sins???  Ha.)"  Or, "I've been bad--will I die tomorrow?"  It's easy to compare diets like we compare religions and denominations.  I want to say this:  A diet doesn't work for us if we believe in it.  A diet works for us because of the way our bodies are built.  Experiment.  See how you feel.  If you feel aweful following the BTD, you're either not doing it right, or Dr. D got it all wrong and the rest of us have fallen victim to the placebo affect.  Or maybe you're that 1 out of 10 that it doesn't seem to work for.  Or there's something on your beneficial list that you personally are allergic to.  (My daughter, AB, should have soy, but she's allergic to it.  My husband, B, should be able to have oats, but he's gluten-intolerant).  You don't have to believe in a diet to follow it.  Just try it for a while and see how it goes.  You're not obligated to follow it.  It's not a sin to discontinue a diet if it doesn't work for you.  

Also, who needs a doctor's go-ahead?  It's your body.  You do what you want.  If you want to try the BTD and everybody laughs at you, who cares?  You'll be the one who feels good.  They'll still be fat.

I chuckle sometimes reading people's posts when they make comments that sound so cultic.  It's the BTD Cult!  Dr. D is our guru!  We do what he says or we will die an early and painful death!  (That may be the case, but it's because he's right--I think--not because we SIN.)  

Forgive me if I overstepped my bounds with sarcasm.  It's just a little soap box of mine.
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 1:51am; Reply: 81
Quoted from Ribbit


Also, who needs a doctor's go-ahead?  It's your body.  You do what you want.  If you want to try the BTD and everybody laughs at you, who cares?  You'll be the one who feels good.  They'll still be fat.

I chuckle sometimes reading people's posts when they make comments that sound so cultic.  It's the BTD Cult!  Dr. D is our guru!  We do what he says or we will die an early and painful death!  (That may be the case, but it's because he's right--I think--not because we SIN.)  

Forgive me if I overstepped my bounds with sarcasm.  It's just a little soap box of mine.


What a fine soapbox you have! May you continue to use it in good health.

Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 3:04pm; Reply: 82
Quoted from Ribbit
"I've been bad--will I die tomorrow?"  
Also, who needs a doctor's go-ahead?  It's your body.  You do what you want.  If you want to try the BTD and everybody laughs at you, who cares?  You'll be the one who feels good.  They'll still be fat.
Forgive me if I overstepped my bounds with sarcasm.  It's just a little soap box of mine.


Not dying the next day or going off the deep end because you ate one tiny little something that you shouldn't have, is precisely why I like BTD. Well among all of it's goodness, that is.  I know I won't die tomorrow, I know I don't have to freak out and pretend I will die, I know I can get right back on it the next day, the next meal and be perfectly fine. What more can you ask for really.  ;D    As mentioned, I know I don't need my doctor (or any dr's) approval to do it. Eating foods that are good for me can't possibly hurt me no matter what the problem.  And yes, those people that laugh at you/me for eating well, ................well, yes, they will be the ones who will be sick/fat, so, yeah, who cares if they laugh? Good point Ribbit. :)
Wouldn't worry about the sarcasm - you wouldn't be the first.  :K)
Lloyd-O-secretor, I second your comment.   :)
Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 3:22pm; Reply: 83
But with the BTD you always have the choice of selecting the other door...
Posted by: mlpaul (Guest), Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 3:34pm; Reply: 84
Ribbit,

Good post! Thank-you!  You are absolutely correct about not needing a doctor's approval.  Although this is true, on some psychological level (at least with me), I needed some kind of confirmation/"approval" from someone in the medical field that I knew and knew my history.  I was embrasing something that on one hand made sense, but had a sense of uncertainty to it's validity - which I'm sure is due to the media's impact on all the other diets and ways of life that have been recommended and then dissected and found out to not be good for you.  

The process for me has been:

(1) YEAH! I've found something that makes sense to me and is explained in layman's terms so I can understand and follow it.

(2)  OH NO!  What if this turns out to be one of those diets/ways of living that years down the road is deemed to not be good for us or will hurt us in some way?  Maybe I should run this by my doctor - who knows my medical history - to see what her take is on it.  After all, they have studied the field of medicine and should be able to give me better insight into whether this will be beneficial for me.

(3)  OH NO!!!  My doctor does not support this and I can't find someone in my area that does.  Maybe this is not all it's cracked up to be - there must be SOME reason why they don't support it.  Maybe I should find out more before embarking on it.

(4)  YES!!!  There is a website that has a forum where you can talk to people who have experience with this diet!  Maybe they can address some of my fears and I can find out how it is working out for them.  There are current users on the forum and it has an international presence.  

(5)  Hmmmmm. . . Maybe the doctor's are not right.  Others are having the same experience that I have and they have overcome it.  I will try it and see if it works for me.  If anything, I will feel better - none of the suggestions should hurt me (was a little worried about eating "so much" meat - until many posts set me straight that it really isn't a lot of meat, it is just quality of meat and portions).  If I don't feel better, I can always stop it.

(6)  FINALLY - I've started the diet and it is doing well.  To **** with the doctor's and everyone else who does not support what I'm doing.  I feel good and that's all that matters.  I believe I've gotten to the root of my problems (or at least very close to it) and if they don't want to jump on board - well that's there decision.  I'm comfortable with what I'm doing and this is MY decision!  ;D

I think this process is just human nature!  I do agree that there is a lot of the "oh my god, I cheated - what will happen to me?"  I'm surprised to see that this comes from people that appear to have been on the diet for awhile.  Well, I'm not there yet, and don't know if I will ever have that mindset.  I cheat every now and then and don't beat myself up over it - and the food tastes so good!  I enjoy every bite!  How many other people can go out and eat a banana split - full of avoids - and actually enjoy it, not caring about the amount of fat and junk they are putting in their body?  I can because I don't do it that often and it's my "reward" for treating my body the majority of the time with foods that are good for it, so I can occassionally reward my taste buds  ;D).

I'm glad that this forum is here and has helped me to take the information as presented in the book one step further - into practice!  Thank-you!

Again, good post!  Love the information.  
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 3:53pm; Reply: 85
Quoted from mlpaul
Melanie, for most of us, clear up until the time we find BTD, we've relied on our doctors and thought they knew all. This being the case, seems natural to get their opinion and take it into "heavy" consideration. It's only after reading Dr Ds'research, talking to others who are eating BTD and eating this way for yourself, that one comes to truly stand on their own two feet and have their own opinion. So as you say, it's just human nature to "wonder".  Nothin' wrong w/ that. :-)    
For some reason,  I believed its goodness from the moment I picked up the book and got serious. Don't really know why but I attribute it to, I think, that my mom has been a vitamin fiend all her life and was always trying to do the nutrition thing. Tho I didn't so much appreciate it as a kid, guess it did sink in and I do appreciate it now. :-)  


Quoted from mlpaul
I do agree that there is a lot of the "oh my god, I cheated - what will happen to me?"  I'm surprised to see that this comes from people that appear to have been on the diet for awhile.


Me too - surprised to see such reaction to eating one avoid by a "seasoned" BTD'er.     I don't think one avoid does all that much damage, thank goodness.   (Well unless you do it all the time and only count them BY ones. LOL) If so, you'd better give up that ice cream missy!!  ;D ;)   Oh but wait, never mind, cause I treat myself w/ Starbucks Iced White Chocolate Mocha.   What the heck, I think we'll both survive. LOL :K)
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 5:20pm; Reply: 86
Quoted from Ribbit
I chuckle sometimes reading people's posts when they make comments that sound so cultic.  It's the BTD Cult!  Dr. D is our guru!  We do what he says or we will die an early and painful death!

Guru

2
a : a teacher and especially intellectual guide in matters of fundamental concern
b : one who is an acknowledged leader or chief proponent
c : a person with knowledge or expertise : EXPERT

I would say that Dr. D is a guru.  ;)

I certainly don't consider the BTD to be even remotely related to religion.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 6:20pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from mlpaul

(2) ......  my doctor - who knows my medical history - to see what her take is on it.  After all, they have studied the field of medicine and should be able to give me better insight into whether this will be beneficial for me.


I think this statement explains exactly why we cannot expect to rely on an M.D. to give us a perspective on the ideal way to eat to stay healthy.  

"they have studied the field of medicine"

This is what they have studied, not wellness.  I realized a long time ago, that no matter how good my doctors have been, or are, their field is medicine .....diagnosing illness.....treating disease with chemicals....or cutting it out.  They have a few very generalized suggestions for avoiding disease and staying healthy.  They are not trained and prepared in the field of Wellness.  It isn't their field of expertise.
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 6:21pm; Reply: 88
Quoted from debra
All I have to say is Whoa...I love this thread. :D

Debra :)


And...I repeat.  ;) :K) :)

Debra :)

Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 7:59pm; Reply: 89
Quoted from Victoria
This is what they have studied, medicine, not wellness.  I realized a long time ago, that no matter how good my doctors have been, or are, their field is medicine .....diagnosing illness.....treating disease with chemicals....or cutting it out.  They have a few very generalized suggestions for avoiding disease and staying healthy.  They are not trained and prepared in the field of Wellness.  It isn't their field of expertise.


Exactly and as has been touched on many times on this board, our doctors' fundings come mostly from the Big Pharm. Enough said.  :X   :)
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 11:40pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from admin
But with the BTD you always have the choice of selecting the other door...


Ah....... interesting analogy. Who's Monty? What's behind the doors? Won't most people just stick with what their intuition originally told them, even if the alternate is demonstrably better (in the long run)? Who understands? Who wants to understand? Is this all nothing more than a game?  ;D

Maybe the reference was slightly oblique..........  LOL. ;)

EDIT: Yes, refering to Dr D's thread in Little Fishes.
{update 9/07. Removed broken link to old thread in Little Fishes, thread about the "Monty Hall problem" (math theory) that generated interest. The comments I made referred to what was going on in that thread, from one perspective.}

Also see my additional comment in reply 95, below.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 12:26am; Reply: 91
Quoted from Alan_Goldenberg


Ah....... interesting analogy. Who's Monty? What's behind the doors? Won't most people just stick with what their intuition originally told them, even if the alternate is demonstrably better (in the long run)? Who understands? Who wants to understand? Is this all nothing more than a game?  ;D

Maybe the reference was slightly obique..........  LOL. ;)


It was in reference to another thread that Dr. D started.  It was a challenge/puzzle he gave us, based on the Let's Make A Deal game show.

Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 1:26am; Reply: 92
Oh, Dr. D, don't start with the doors thing again.  It thoroughly confused me and besides---if you wait outside the door long enough, the goats will die and start to stink, so you know exactly which doors have what behind them, a dead goat or a new car.  There was probably a principle there that I totally missed.  

Duh.  We all know that the more we follow the BTD, the better we feel, and that's the bottom line of it all.

MoDon, having grown up in a cult and having my entire family still there, I have a slightly different definition of the term guru than the dictionary might.  Dr. D would indeed be a guru according to the dictionary.  The way I meant it, it seems like some people have a tendency to elevate drs. in general and Dr. D specifially in that they know all, see all, and have and hold all wisdom.  While they may be smarter than some of us, or at least more knowledgeable,  they certainly hold no power over us to tell us what to do and not do.  They can give their views and their research and their advice, but it is up to us to make our own choices.

Posted by: resting, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 1:39am; Reply: 93
Hi folks,

from Ribbit's and Lloyd's and KK's comments among others ... there IS an element of 'religion' in BTD adherence.  But as my chum understood that his concept of spirituality was in fact emotions; we too often confuse religion with diet or politics...etc.  Religion is about: God and Man (humans) + Man and Man .... the BTD is about Man and Man.  Sounds simple until you understand that the word Man involves a great deal more than sexuality and physicality.  The human has physical aspects + intellectual (reasoning) aspects + emotional [family and friends] aspects + faith (in goodness; in others; .... in myself and in God) aspects.

It is not very important to specify where one leaves off and another aspect continues ... many younger folks will focus on the first two ... people married and with kids will gravitate 'naturally' to the emotions .... older folks will often live a life of faith.  Each 'stage' is both consuming and important.  We need PURPOSE(physical) + UNDERSTANDING(intellectual) + MEANING(emotions) + SIGNIFICANCE(faith).  Seniors (especially elderly seniors) see life much differently than their children ... we focus on comfort ... they on truth.

We need seniors ... we must re-learn who Mom and Dad are .... guru's are for the young!

just my opinion ...

John
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 5:11am; Reply: 94
Quoted from Ribbit
Oh, Dr. D, don't start with the doors thing again.  It thoroughly confused me.....


I'm fairly sure Dr. D intended his comment to mean something like "You get as many chances as you need to switch to the BTD".

My comments on his comment were more philosophical and on a slightly different tack, which I'm fairly sure will be roundly misinterpreted.


Posted by: Dr. D, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 10:56am; Reply: 95
Everything is as religious as you choose to make it.  

A God you 'walk with' will tend to promote self reliance and good deeds. A God 'up there' will allow you to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of your own actions.

Barring brainwashing, labeling someone a  'guru' or 'superhero'  just depreciates the hard work and effort from what is, in fact, always a rather normal human being.


It's not the distance between them and you; it's the distance between you and you.
Posted by: yaman, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 11:46am; Reply: 96
Dear Peter,

What fascinates me about you is not only your great work, but also preferring to stay a human being!..

And wonderfully put, "walk with" God!

Thanks again for sharing your wisdom with us.

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Thursday, July 27, 2006, 12:15pm; Reply: 97
Quoted from admin
Everything is as religious as you choose to make it.  

A God you 'walk with' will tend to promote self reliance and good deeds. A God 'up there' will allow you to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of your own actions.

Barring brainwashing, labeling someone a  'guru' or 'superhero'  just depreciates the hard work and effort from what is, in fact, always a rather normal human being.


It's not the distance between them and you; it's the distance between you and you.


What about a God 'in you' giving you the guidelines to adhere to..
It is up to every individual to 'listen' to that voice or not..
Like you so eloquently put it in your wolves-signature..

As I feel it, the more you 'choose' not to listen to that inner godly voice, the more you distance 'you' from 'yourself', with all physical, psychological, emotional problems as a result.

I firmly believe there is no such thing as 'sin'  or 'punishment', 'good' or 'bad', there are 'choices' and 'consequences'.  
And.. a person can start 'choosing' every day anew...

There is divine light in everyone of us, but we have to let it come out ourselves...

Cocky
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 4:53pm; Reply: 98
Quoted from Cocky


What about a God 'in you' giving you the guidelines to adhere to..
It is up to every individual to 'listen' to that voice or not..
Like you so eloquently put it in your wolves-signature..

As I feel it, the more you 'choose' not to listen to that inner godly voice, the more you distance 'you' from 'yourself', with all physical, psychological, emotional problems as a result.

Cocky


How wonderful to read my own perspective, expressed in a way that I can actually understand myself!   :K) ;D
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 7:12pm; Reply: 99
There's a quote by Jim Elliot we had to memorize in highschool:  "God has given man the freedom of choice; but with that freedom comes the responsibility of living with the consequences of that choice."  There are natural consequences to choices we make that are not necessarily in any way God-related (of course, to a Christian, everything is God-related, but follow me here for a minute.....) For example, if you murder somebody, his family is going to get a little irked (most likely) and come after you (except maybe in countries where there are law-enforcing people to do it for you).  If you sleep with your neighbor's wife, there is a natural consequence:  your neighbor will (most likely) be irked and have something to say about it.  If you steal your neighbor's favorite goat (or car), you'll have to pay him back in some way----all natural consequences to things you can call sin or call dumb choices.  Either way, even if you don't believe in God, there are still natural consequences to things.  Dr. D's doors are there for the choosing, but we have been given some direction as to the best choices.  
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, July 27, 2006, 9:31pm; Reply: 100
::) hmmmmmmm it just became a *must*...must repeat my *guruj* Jean Klein:


"and have a look for what "you are not" ;) :D ;D :K) (dance)(clap)(dance)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)(whistle)
Posted by: Chris, Thursday, July 27, 2006, 11:34pm; Reply: 101
Quoted from Dr D
Everything is as religious as you choose to make it.  

A God you 'walk with' will tend to promote self reliance and good deeds. A God 'up there' will allow you to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of your own actions.

Barring brainwashing, labeling someone a  'guru' or 'superhero'  just depreciates the hard work and effort from what is, in fact, always a rather normal human being.


It's not the distance between them and you; it's the distance between you and you.


Way to tell it like it is, Dr D.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, July 28, 2006, 8:40am; Reply: 102
mlpaul hi
and I feel also your iritations,I've got em as well with the try to go for several swiss insurances....but also here..old school is belived...*it can't be what may not be* !!!! thats' the fact and Peter is right about the syndromes :P ::)
but please one thingy was just jumping in my eyes- please no 5HTP for O's.....try if needed with the aminoacids l'tryptophane yup ;D and also l'tyrosine...ok too but the plant behind 5HTP seems to be a no-no for all O's :D :-/
Posted by: The Pen, Sunday, September 17, 2006, 10:45am; Reply: 103
Hi mlpaul
I did not read everything in this Thread. But I think the most important thing is, to get to know your individual dates. Are you secretor or non secretor? Are you MN, NN, or MM ? And as a woman you must know Rh+ or Rh - if your man is Rh+. All dates will deliver the right way of live your individual  
"Bloodtypediet". Read the Book 4Your type once more and again and again. You'll never get the contence and the fullness of information. You got to get to know yourself. Try to live as you like,find your way (of course bloodtyperight best), have a lough, be happy. No fears.No stress. And don't give up your feeling because somebody who (per example your doctor) knows it better. Make your own opinion.  
Only you is right!

That is my opinion
          Frank
        [/b][b]
Posted by: ErinDarri, Monday, September 18, 2006, 2:14am; Reply: 104
Quoted from ironwood55


Second, not everyone is going to get high iron levels from eating a high iron diet, probably only those that have the genetic mutations for hemochromatosis.



I totally agree with this!!!   I get turned away from donating blood about 75% of the time, even when I have eaten a lot of red meat.  Only when I have a lot of spinach do I get to donate every time.
Posted by: ErinDarri, Monday, September 18, 2006, 2:42am; Reply: 105
Quoted from mlpaul
sensitivities/allergies.  
Dr. D'Adamo recommended 5-HTP for carbohydrate cravings and now does not due to additional research.  I know it is all "scientific" and science is not perfect and ever changing.  I just want to do the right thing and am a bit frustrated that by doing so, I may hurt myself in the process.


I think that if you follow the diet and you feel A-MA-ZING, like many of us do, then you are doing something good for your body.  OK, heroin addicts feel amazing, but not in their soul and not for very long.  There are days when I do everything right--food wise and exercise wise and thinking about my insides wise, that I feel amazing.  To my soul.  A-MA-ZING.   :D

Regarding BTD, I've always been under the impression that if there is a hint of something not being good for us, it is an avoid.  I think that if something was thought to be beneficial because of the good things that it does do for folks, and then after more testing it was found that because of a certain process or it being derived from a certain species of plant it is now no longer beneficial and something we should not have, for the most part, it was probably more or less ok for you.  Or ok enough that the bit that you had before it became an avoid was not going to destroy your health forever.   All but about three people  ;)have avoids sometimes.  The avoids that they have probably accumulate to much worse than having 5-HTP for a little while.

(That might have been confusing.  I was hoping to be inspiring on the first part.   :)Might have started babbling in the second part.  There were thoughts in there that were hard to get out.  Sorry!) :-/
Posted by: KevinNJ05, Sunday, September 24, 2006, 7:27am; Reply: 106
The blood type diet is 100% accurate and is true.  If people don't beleive it than they are just bleep out of luck.
Posted by: Stormy, Sunday, September 24, 2006, 6:48pm; Reply: 107
Read most of the posts in this thread and the thought that keeps running through my mind is how sensitive/atuned we are to our bodies.  I know people have said that I am very sensitive to my body and how it reacts to different foods.  This is good!

There is something I tend to do, and wonder if others do it also, and that is sabotage my health/life.  It's a deeply imbeded trait that rears its ugly head whenever things are going  well with my health.  I'll be feeling so good, even joyful at how good I feel in body, mind and spirit, and then I'll think - I want some chips.  Then I want more, and more, and of course, then I'm here writing this, with a cold!!  (Off my Moducare and can usually recoup quicker on it.)

I find it goes hand in hand with my addictive personality.  One won't hurt me! ;D

My new motto in life - Live and Learn and Laugh  :D 

Posted by: Vick (Guest), Thursday, November 9, 2006, 3:29am; Reply: 108
Hi im an Australian Naturopathic student about to qualify in May - ive just found this forum and im very intersted by whats being said (first off grass fed beef is the best because its high Omega 3 ratios) - im currently doing supervised clinic hours in Brisbane to qualify and my head tutor is huge into the BTD and we recommend it to everyone we see in the clinic  and always see an improvement in our patients - i follow it myself - im an AB and so does my husband - hes an O - but i have a couple of reservations about advising clients to follow the BTD when i qualify - a lot of other naturopaths dont think it works and have problems telling people to cut out certain fruit and veg when we are always trying to encourage people to eat more fruit and veg - i worry about it is too hard for people to follow- and has it actually been proven that eating lots of meat as an O is not harmiful long term???? im feeling confused  ..........im eager for more info - (ive read LRFYT)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 3:41am; Reply: 109
which book have you read so far?
in the Live Right book the food lists also have the servings per week or per day......
the type O diet isn t 'all about meat' actually.........the frequency values for meat are not all that exaggerated........BTD is very balancing and antiinflammatory......
I suggest you read the books and also take advantage of all the data on this website, it s endless!!
Posted by: Vick (Guest), Thursday, November 9, 2006, 3:44am; Reply: 110
Also does anyone know how you can test for secretor/non in Australia???????
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 3:47am; Reply: 111
in Australia (Perth)
http://www.pathlab.com.au/about/contact.asp.

Head Office:
PathLab
68 Burwood Highway
Burwood
Victoria, 3125
Phone: +61 3 8831 3000
Fax: +61 3 9808 2247
Posted by: Vick (Guest), Thursday, November 9, 2006, 3:51am; Reply: 112
thanks LOLA great info )
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, November 9, 2006, 8:33am; Reply: 113
oooo yippiie another AB....welcome..welcome..welcome........ I knew it ...I knew it.. the AB's will rule the world ::) ;) :B :X ;D



btw...this pic. with the beans look like Kidney's in a swimsuit ;) :D
Posted by: JoanneO, Friday, November 17, 2006, 7:31pm; Reply: 114
It may be that those who had trouble with Atkins were As and ABs.

BTD is the most intelligent plan out there.

Amost a year ago, a feature article in Newsweek claimed that "scientists" were only a few years away from perscribing customized diets for every individual based on genetic evidence.....they did not mention Dr. D's work, but  blood typing is the first step in that direction!   Dr. D did challenge the writer of that article but they readily discounted him.  It's so obvious! (to me anyway)  

BTD is the most intelligent plan out there!

I am almost 100% BTD compliant 18 months now and my health is so much better than it was 2 years ago even 10 years ago.... and I have hard evidence to prove it (  4 lipid blood tests chloresterol tests  in 2 years that show a steady decline in chloresterol levels).  
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Friday, November 17, 2006, 8:23pm; Reply: 115
I agree with Ribbit that there is a detectable cultishness in some posts that is not the fault of either the doctor or the diet...its just how some people are! (I used to be a cult magnet myself) In other words I am not worried at all about the intent of the BTD, just the perspective occassionally seeping in. Some posts playfully call him "our master" ...and I realize that in some cultures this means "teacher"....but it can trigger an uncomfortable moment...
Posted by: NikkiCNT (Guest), Monday, November 20, 2006, 9:56pm; Reply: 116
I would just like to say that any advice that western medicine is giving you regarding your dietary habits should be avoided like the plague.  They do an awful lot to ensure that people keep coming back.  There is no money in treating healthy people, only the sick.  I am an ex-dental hygienist, and you would be amazed at the misinformation out there!  As for your fear of consuming too much meat, think about it; before the agricultural revolution roughly 12,000 years ago, what did people have to eat?  The animals they kept, and that's pretty much it.  You would be lucky to come across some tubers or a hanful of berries twice a year.  Maybe once every GREAT while you'd stumble upon a bee hive and have honey.  Our genes are 99.9% the same as they were previous to the agricultural revolution.  Never before in history have we as a species consumed a diet as high in grains, refined sugars, and processed food as we do now.  Nor did we consume a "low-fat" diet.  Look around us, guys!  It is so common to die of one of our modern degenerative diseases that people just shrug it off and blame it on "bad genes".  We accept it!  Well, not me.  I do not believe that we were blueprinted for such failure.   Sorry for the rant; I just truly feel that we took the wrong fork in the road a while back, and our very survival depends upon us getting back on track....
A wonderful and informative website to check out is http://www.WestonAPrice.org  
Posted by: Don, Monday, November 20, 2006, 10:21pm; Reply: 117
Welcome to the BTD Forum

Unfortunately, The Weston Price site just advocates another one-size-fits-all approach.
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Sunday, August 19, 2007, 5:28am; Reply: 118
I just want to add my personal experience to this great thread.

I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia/myofascial pain over six months ago. Conventional doctors said they could do nothing for me except dispense all kinds of colorful pills.

I even tried a naturopath who promised me good health if I was to abide by her recommendations. She recommended supplements for muscle pain and inflammation. After two months of following her 'protocol' I did not feel a drop better.

I asked her about the btd and she said she's heard about it and that yes she knows there are people who do well on it. She did not seem to believe it was what I needed.

I started the btd and after two weeks I was able to say, 'I have no muscle pain!' But as soon as I felt better I began slipping...eating avoids....and I have been feeling awful since then...

This time around I intend to do this right. So am waiting for secretor test results and then will do this btd full-fledged....

Looking back, I have to say those two weeks that I was 100% compliant were the best two weeks of my past nine months! Can't wait to be 100% compliant again!
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 19, 2007, 5:56am; Reply: 119
you can do it!!
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Sunday, August 19, 2007, 6:06am; Reply: 120
Thank you! Will the btd restore my adrenals and thyroid, or must I incorporate Dr. D's supplements? I do take a good multi and b and c from another company.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 19, 2007, 6:15am; Reply: 121
Quoted Text
multi and b and c from another company


can you post the ingredients in those multis?
is your vit C, ascorbic acid?
that might be derived from corn.....

btd is anti inflammatory by nature, but you need to give it time , compliance and conviction to let it do its balancing job.

protocols can be added as you walk.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 19, 2007, 6:16am; Reply: 122
have you read the threads on adrenals and fatigue?
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1167170022
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1165756772
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1164390423
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1163087851
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