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Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 7:01pm
ok, I did a poll a week ago about grains and non-secretors.  Now this one is directed only at type A's (I know you O's want to be involved in everything, so if you are readng this thread push the back button now and go eat some meat)

I am curious how different type A's do with grains and starches.  I would appreciate it if you would not just vote but discuss
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 7:07pm; Reply: 1
Could you add an "I do pretty well with grains, as long as I don't binge" category?
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 7:23pm; Reply: 2
no because everyone will vote that way, that is why I want you to explain your vote afterwards
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 7:40pm; Reply: 3
Probably I have still celiac malabsorbtion, but I can eat cereals and grain without big problems. My body mass index is 19,6.
I fear wheat plus dairy as a real danger for ears and nose and wheat and other gluten grains for my osteoporosis.

I know type As developing weight gain and diabetes with too much grains, but in Italy this means wheat, the most common carbo in our diet.
My two cents
Maria Giovanna
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 7:49pm; Reply: 4
With only those four categories, I can't in good conscience vote (other than to narrow it down to the two nonnie categories).

I do know that if I eat "too many" cookies, I'm likely to crave more.  Same thing if I eat a reasonable number of cookies and another serving of grain on the same day.  I seem to be able to handle one "serving" of grain per day just fine.  (On the other hand, I have yet to try going completely grainless.  That might work even better -- I have no idea.)

Please note that my definition of a "serving" of grain seems to differ from Dr. D's.  (I say "seems to" because I'm not sure that I understand his definition.)  The amount that my body seems to consider "just right" is around 70 grams of net grain carbs -- 1/2 cup of dry rice, 4 slices of bread, or a cup of dry pasta.

Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 7:53pm; Reply: 5
I do best on three to five servings of rye, oats, amaranth, buckwheat, or corn per week. If I eat more than that, or if I eat other than that, I have many more cravings, tend to pack on the pounds, get constipated easier, have more mucus production, and swollen joints.
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 8:02pm; Reply: 6
I do well with grains; however, I also am cognizant of how much I consume on a daily basis.  Typically, I have 1/4 cup of dry homemade sprouted buckwheat for breakfast, and 1 slice of rye manna for dinner.

When I choose to eat grains, I will favor the beneficial choices over any neutral grains/breads options.

Alia
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 8:32pm; Reply: 7
Drea- I'm curious if you have ever gone without grains?  How do you feel without them?
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 8:36pm; Reply: 8
I've gone 30 days without grains. But it was so hard, and I didn't feel that much better than when I ate them every other day or so; not enough to justify the headache of avoiding them altogether.
Posted by: Joyce, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 9:33pm; Reply: 9
I need at least one serving of grains a day otherwise I feel empty and am then more likely to binge on something I shouldn't!
I eat uncooked oats for breakfast most days and have been known to eat cooked porridge for dinner too.
Sometimes I eat previously cooked shortgrain brown rice for breakfast instead of oats or I might eat the rice at lunchtime after having oats for breakfast.
My DH has just started making homemade wheat bread and I do get tempted by a slice of that too!!

Conclusion:  I need one helping at least and enjoy 2!!!

Joyce
Posted by: Olerica, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 9:38pm; Reply: 10
I do well if I stick with WHOLE grains.  Rice, Sprouted Grain Bread, etc.  If I eat too many refined grains, I can feel my insulin cycle rev up.  Yikes.

If I'm feeling constipated, whole grains are very helpful, too.  
Posted by: northstar, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 3:25am; Reply: 11
I am not sure if I am a secretor or not.  :(
I cannot tolerate wheat, but do okay on rice and oatmeal.  :)
Also, I do better on whole grains. If I eat too much of the processed stuff, I get hyper. (Any connection to hypoglecemia?)
Posted by: Janet, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 2:26pm; Reply: 12
I don't feel I do well on grains and never have, which is a shame as I like my cereal/spelt bread/ryvita. I cut out wheat a long time ago.
I try to have no more than 2 helpings per day as I just feel bloated in the stomach area
I usually eat 50grams of an oat breakfast + soya milk for breakfast. Lunch may include 50grams rice. Supper none if I've already had my 2 helpings.
BUT I am hopeful because tomorrow, thanks to Italybound, I am going to talk this all over with a Natropath!!
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 4:08pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from janet
I don't feel I do well on grains and never have, which is a shame as I like my cereal/spelt bread/ryvita. I cut out wheat a long time ago.
I try to have no more than 2 helpings per day as I just feel bloated in the stomach area
I usually eat 50grams of an oat breakfast + soya milk for breakfast. Lunch may include 50grams rice. Supper none if I've already had my 2 helpings.
BUT I am hopeful because tomorrow, thanks to Italybound, I am going to talk this all over with a Natropath!!


Let us know what the doc says. I'm interested.
Posted by: Joy, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 8:04pm; Reply: 14
I do better with starches than grains.  I've been getting 100% artichoke pasta from a small HFS locally and never have a problem with it.

When I first started the BTD I tried some of the grains amaranth, quinoa, and didn't do well at all because every time I ate them I felt bloated.  I eliminated the grains and felt much better with other A beneficials.

I might try some grains again because of their nutritional benefits being much better than most wheat products.  


Joy
Posted by: catlawyer, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 8:19pm; Reply: 15
I do fine with brown rice and oatmeal, and seem to tolerate wheat (though my stomach doesn't always like it).  

Laura - just read your blog about A's, protein, and B vitamins.  Very interesting!  I know I am usually low on B vitamins.  Hard for me to find B's that don't disagree with my stomach.  Do you have any recc's?

Elizabeth
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 8:20pm; Reply: 16
I don't seem to have an issue with starches, either. It's funny, before the diet I thought starches and grains were the same thing. Now I see the difference, but when I talk about my food choices with others, many of them still don't get the distinction.
Posted by: Laura P, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 8:27pm; Reply: 17
What starches do you all eat?

Joy I'm so jealous of your artichoke pasta, maybe you could ship it to A's around the country
Posted by: Robert, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 8:28pm; Reply: 18



I usually do ok as far as I how I feel with eating grains.   I am a diabetic and my bood sugar and weight tends to ramp up when I do too much with oatmeal, rice noodles, brown rice or ezekial bread.    These are the only grains I eat at this point. I read Dr D's Diabetic, BTD book and am trying to follow the recommendations in there more closely.  My wife is an AB and she has lost over 40 lbs in the last year and a half and seems to eat grains every day and not just a few bites either.

Joy, I'd like to try that artichoke pasta, I wonder where I could get it out here in the Michigan boondocks? I guess I could probably make a trip to Whole Foods in Ann Arbor.

Bob
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 8:32pm; Reply: 19
I can eat tubers like jerusalem artichokes and globe artichokes, and starchy vegetables like butternut squash. I'm not near any of my food lists at the moment, but will post more when I am.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 8:42pm; Reply: 20
try DeBoles web site:
http://www.deboles.com/product.....e=organic_long_pasta.
jerusalem artichoke pasta
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 9:06pm; Reply: 21
Lola -- unless DeBoles have changed their recipe, all of their artichoke pasta actually has wheat as the first ingredient.  It contains jerusalem artichoke flour, but nowhere near 100%.

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 9:22pm; Reply: 22
that s the only one I have heard of in the forum.......
does anyone know of an AP without wheat added to it?
thanks Carol
Posted by: Laura P, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 11:24pm; Reply: 23
Joy does
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 11:26pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from lola
that s the only one I have heard of in the forum.......
does anyone know of an AP without wheat added to it?
thanks Carol


Quoted from Heidi Merritt said

(4) Once upon a time, there was a brand of 100% artichoke pasta... it tasted so spooky, few customers bought it twice, and the product was discontinued. Use one of the many great organic rice pastas instead!

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 6, 2006, 11:55pm; Reply: 25
Joy?
is that a brand, Laura?
Posted by: Drea, Friday, July 7, 2006, 12:17am; Reply: 26
Quoted from lola
Joy?
is that a brand, Laura?


Laura is referring to post #14 wherein Joy states that she's been getting 100% artichoke pasta.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, July 7, 2006, 2:27am; Reply: 27
Tinkyada rice pasta is wonderful!  We use the organic brown-rice elbow macaroni, and Hubby says it's the best pasta he's ever had.

They also make non-organic pasta and white-rice pasta.
Posted by: northstar, Friday, July 7, 2006, 3:08am; Reply: 28
On the topic of noodles, in case you were wondering, most soba (buckwheat) noodles are not 100% soba. That's right! Many brands have wheat in them. The darker the color, the more buckwheat that has been used. That does not mean you cannot get 100% buckwheat noodles, but harder to cook and some people do not like the taste.

;D
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, July 7, 2006, 3:28am; Reply: 29
It seems that here in the US, you can get organic soba noodles, or you can get 100% buckwheat soba noodles, but you cannot get organic 100% buckwheat soba noodles.

Irrelevant for me, now that I'm pretending to be an O nonnie ....
Posted by: Joy, Friday, July 7, 2006, 7:14pm; Reply: 30
Well, now........

There's that saying "Don't assume because when you do you make an *ss out of (not you all) just me it seems on this one if I jumped to the conclusion that its 100% artichoke pasta.

I do get it in a small HFS run by Mennonites and the labels are usually typed out.   It cooks in about 2-3 minutes and is done to perfection.  I haven't had it in awhile but I will definitely check the next time I'm there.

I will get back to you soon.

Joy
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, July 7, 2006, 9:31pm; Reply: 31
If it does turn out to be 100%, Joy, could you find out where they get it -- who makes it?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 7, 2006, 9:58pm; Reply: 32
Quoted Text


Don s discovery in another thread! )
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Saturday, July 8, 2006, 1:55am; Reply: 33

So buy one of those little hand-cranked pasta machines and roll your own!
Posted by: Wulf, Saturday, July 8, 2006, 5:31am; Reply: 34
I do well with all allowable grains. I choose not to eat much wheat at all, however all my bread is 100% Rye. I eat rice or Cous cous daily. My breakfast contains Rye, Barley, Oats and Rice flakes.I eat well . I feel well and I've lost weight.

Paul
Posted by: Joyce, Saturday, July 8, 2006, 9:21am; Reply: 35
Paul,

Isn't couscous wheat?
Is your rye bread homemade and is it very dense or is it possible to have a 'raised' rye bread?

Joyce
Posted by: Joy, Saturday, July 8, 2006, 3:42pm; Reply: 36
Here's what I found out yesterday when I went to the Mennonite HFS.  Carol, you are absolutely correct when you stated that most artichoke pasta starts out with wheat.

This is what it said on the typed label on the back of the package.  It didn't give percentages but from what I know of labeling usually the first ingredient is used the most and so on.

They use - organic duram semolina (doesn't state wheat per se but isn't semolina wheat?) Then American (Jerusalem) artichokes.  

I didn't know it was so difficult to get 100% artichoke unless you get the flour and crank it out in a pasta machine.  Anyway, I did buy some again.  The wheat doesn't bother me.   From what I read in the handy A booklet most wheats are neutrals for A's and the pasta says its organic semolina.

Any-hou, live and learn......

My daily mistake-o-meter must have been jammed.  

Joy
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, July 8, 2006, 5:00pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Joy

They use - organic duram semolina (doesn't state wheat per se but isn't semolina wheat?)


Semolina is coursely ground grain. Usually wheat.

Since duram is hard wheat this definitely wheat.

CousCous is normally wheat. Rarely it is made from some other grain.

CousCous is neutral for A-secretors and an avoid for A-nonsecretors.
Posted by: Wulf, Sunday, July 9, 2006, 2:48am; Reply: 38
Joyce,

We are lucky enough to be able to buy a Light Rye flour from a food distributor in 10 or 20kg packs. It is much lighter in consistency than the traditional dark Rye and makes a truly sensational sandwich bread. Currently costs us AUS $12.50/10kg bag which is a big difference to the current 'retail' price of Rye flour at about AUS $4.50/kg.

Yes, I forgot that Couscous is wheat but as noted earlier it is neutral.

Paul
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Sunday, July 9, 2006, 5:12am; Reply: 39
Joy -- semolina would be a Neutral for A secretors, and an Avoid for A nonnies.
Posted by: Joyce, Sunday, July 9, 2006, 9:54am; Reply: 40
Thanks C# and Paul.

The rye sounds lovely, I'll check with our HFS.

Joyce
Posted by: Joy, Sunday, July 9, 2006, 6:53pm; Reply: 41
Carol,

I'm glad you reminded me because I still have to get the test to find out.  Next time I order from NAP it will be included in the order.

Joy
Posted by: Angelena (Guest), Monday, July 10, 2006, 3:58pm; Reply: 42
I do sooo bad with grains...I have a wheat and rye allergy, not gluten intolerant though.  I will have oatmeal a few times/week but can't do that everyday.  Starchy veggies never gave me much of problem, but I do watch my choices as far as glycemic index.  

A great pasta product that I have found and absolutely love is Lentil pasta.  Its great because it high in fiber and protein...can't find that in rice pastas and rarely is the protein high in other grains.  
Posted by: Drea, Monday, July 10, 2006, 5:30pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from Angelena
A great pasta product that I have found and absolutely love is Lentil pasta.  Its great because it high in fiber and protein...can't find that in rice pastas and rarely is the protein high in other grains.  


Lentil pasta sounds interesting; where do you find that?
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:25am; Reply: 44
Here's one place: http://adriennesgourmetfoods.com/pages/product-pgs/pasta-pg/index.html

Will be interested to hear what Angelena has to say as well.
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:44am; Reply: 45
Carol, thanks for the link. According to their website, Whole Foods should carry their product.
Posted by: Laura P, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 10:58am; Reply: 46
good ole spagetti squash works as well
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:40pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from lkpetrolino
good ole spagetti squash works as well


This is true, but much to my dismay, in the Diabetes book, all squashes have gone from neutral to infrequent neutral (which means 0-2 times per month). *sniff sniff*
Posted by: Laura P, Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 5:05pm; Reply: 48
I can't eat it either, allergic to all gourds, but for some,  you can eat zucchini, zucchini ribbons, it is only winter squash that is in
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 3:32am; Reply: 49
Laura -- are you talking about raw zucchini that's been cut into "spaghetti" on a spiral slicer?

I've tried spaghetti squash and didn't care for it at all.  I tried spiral-cut zucchini at a friend's house last summer and liked it -- the texture was surprisingly like al-dente spaghetti and the mild taste combined well with the sauce.

The brand of slicer that my friend has is the Spirooli.

Posted by: A+Baby, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 3:39pm; Reply: 50
I do well with oatmeal, rice, and wheat.  I haven't done the secretor test yet (I know, I know, it's been over a month since I started this!!!), but I have found that these do not bother me.  Still having issues with cow's milk though.  I'm still in mourning over my milk (cow's milk). :'(
Posted by: Bethysue, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 3:57pm; Reply: 51
I forgot to explain my answer when I voted!
I do fine with grains. I don't like any of the avoids in the grain catergory.
Meat is my problem, if I look at any meat I gain 6 pounds.

That is my major avoid!   :(
But that is okay, I never really liked meat until I got pregnant & craved it. But, I have learned ways to cope with my cravings so I don't gain too much weight & stay healthy!  
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 4:10pm; Reply: 52
you are the perfect type A sec!!!
Posted by: A+Baby, Wednesday, July 12, 2006, 4:20pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from Bethysue
I forgot to explain my answer when I voted!
I do fine with grains. I don't like any of the avoids in the grain catergory.
Meat is my problem, if I look at any meat I gain 6 pounds.

That is my major avoid!   :(
But that is okay, I never really liked meat until I got pregnant & craved it. But, I have learned ways to cope with my cravings so I don't gain too much weight & stay healthy!  



I can't even remember the last time I had beef, and I'm talking about pre-BTD!! LOL  I know I ate a chicken breast the other day, and it almost killed me!!!  It was kinda thick, too, so I might try looking for the wafer thin cuts of chicken or just hammer out the thick ones.  I don't eat meat too much, and if I do, it's chicken and only once a week.  If the thin cuts don't work out, I'm just gonna have to cut meat out all together.

Posted by: ladydi, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 9:26pm; Reply: 54
I do very poorly with grains. Wheat makes me bloated, and lethargic,  and causes my body to ache. Oatmeal and every other grain  that I've  tried leaves me with cravings that are so bad that I don't want to tell you the details.

Diane
Posted by: Connect, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 10:20pm; Reply: 55
I do well with grains, provided I don't eat too much.  If I do, I know immediately because I swell up and get tired.  The right amount for me seems to be about 1 to 1.5 servings per day.  I normally don't end up eating nearly this amount, but I do well with it when I do.  I have drastically cut WAY back on grains, as I don't believe they have much nutritional value.  They do, however, keep me regular and this is a big plus.

Interestingly enough, I went low carb for a couple of months and didn't lose a single pound.  Not one.  I find this fascinating.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, July 14, 2006, 5:23am; Reply: 56
Quoted from A+Baby
I'm still in mourning over my milk (cow's milk). :'(



Try yogurt!  If you're not used to the taste, you might want to start with the fruity kind (just make sure it says "live cultures" on the label).  Once you've learned to enjoy the tangy flavor, you may enjoy it even without the training wheels.  (I sometimes sprinkle a little salt on plain yogurt for a "cottage cheese" flavor.)

Posted by: ruthie, Saturday, July 15, 2006, 10:09am; Reply: 57
I do well with grains.  They help me feel full.  I don't do well with hungry.
namaste
ruthie
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Saturday, July 15, 2006, 4:46pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from connect14
I do well with grains, provided I don't eat too much.  If I do, I know immediately because I swell up and get tired.  The right amount for me seems to be about 1 to 1.5 servings per day.  I normally don't end up eating nearly this amount, but I do well with it when I do.  I have drastically cut WAY back on grains, as I don't believe they have much nutritional value.  They do, however, keep me regular and this is a big plus.
Interestingly enough, I went low carb for a couple of months and didn't lose a single pound.  Not one.  I find this fascinating.


Same for me Connect14, I do well on grains provided the HB'ones, like amaranth and buckwheat (in my fave porridge as breakfast..) As you 1 or 1,5 portion per day!  The moment I eat wheat, and I weigh myself the next day, 1 kilo plus  >:( One day later on HBgrains again: 1 kilo gone ;D

Anyway I need my HB grains and instead of speltbread as lunch I now take a salad with tuna or sardines and no bread!!  ;D
Suits me perfect, my one portion grains a day..

Cocky 8)
Posted by: crkcrk (Guest), Saturday, July 22, 2006, 12:48pm; Reply: 59
sorry i didnt vote,
you didnt make an option for those who dont know there sec status?

though I have been mostly following BTD for about 2 years now, I have found if I eat to much grains or wrong sorts I get sluggish, also I have gained 30 lbs back slowly in the last 2 years , I had previously done low carb diet and lost very much close to 60lbs, I fear that I am heading back to where I was by being on BTD.  but I dont blame BTD.

I feel I am eating more heathy, and my cholesterol levels are all good, got my thyroid levels checked though they are fine (according to dr's report) after reading symtoms of underative thyroid I find I have about 10 out of the 12 or 15 different symtoms.

I had read that doing a clense can reset the thyroid to perform properly, so I am curently trying that. and will see where that takes me.
Posted by: greenfields, Saturday, July 22, 2006, 9:01pm; Reply: 60
I do quite well with the HBs in the diabetes book - amaranth, rye, and rice. I do alright with spelt and eziekiel, in terms of not making me crave bad stuff or feel bad, but those don't help me lose weight (only maintain).

Wheat flour and I don't get along. It makes me bloated, ache, tired, and then I crave sugars all day long afterwards. (I was forced to eat at a restaurant where there were limited choices and had this lovely reminder recently of how bad, bad, bad it is for me!)

I found a rye bread with a sourdough starter that is absolutely heavenly - feels good, tastes good, and makes me happy.  ;D

Quoted Text
though I have been mostly following BTD for about 2 years now, I have found if I eat to much grains or wrong sorts I get sluggish, also I have gained 30 lbs back slowly in the last 2 years , I had previously done low carb diet and lost very much close to 60lbs, I fear that I am heading back to where I was by being on BTD.  but I dont blame BTD.


This happened to me, too, before I found out my secretor status and realized I was chowing down on lots of avoids (I used to love sunflower seeds and corn products). Once I found out I was a non-secretor and stopped eating those things, over time, I lost 20lbs. And, yes, I also found out I have thyroid issues, too. (You might find the thyroid thread interesting.)
Posted by: 1474 (Guest), Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 1:23am; Reply: 61
i am almost positive i am a secretor and i do very well with grains. as long as i have them on a regular basis they dont trigger any binges and i find them very satisfying. i mostly eat rye, rice, and ezekiel, but occasionally eat other grains and have no problems.
Posted by: 736 (Guest), Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 3:39am; Reply: 62
I have been grain free for a couple of months and just started eating them again.I do ok with buckwheat, had cereal and pancakes. Rice not so good. Forget wheat, I have one of the genes for celiac so I am taking no chances, I also had 5 intestinal infections due to my immune system being clobbered by gluten all these years. I am dying for some bread but also can't tolerate yeast. The only bread I would have is from Kinnickinick. Its really expensive to buy and ship.

Those are the only grains I have tried.

I have to say that I have terrible digestion, very slow. Even with betaine and enzymes. I tried adzuki beans and I have had a lot of bloating and gas. I did have it with chicken, I will have to try it just with veggies. I'll have to be strict with food combining.

Have a great day,
June ;D
Posted by: 1474 (Guest), Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 8:35pm; Reply: 63
i wanted to add that when i deprive myself of grains i tend to binge on them...like i find that my body craves them. this is different from when i deprive myself of other things like beef; i never crave beef. in fact, i have found that when i deprive myself of cheese which i absolutely love, my body does not crave it. this is all different from grains, which my body craves more the more i deprive myself of it.

(im pretty sure i am a secretor)
Posted by: A+Baby, Thursday, September 28, 2006, 12:16pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from longshot
i wanted to add that when i deprive myself of grains i tend to binge on them...like i find that my body craves them. this is different from when i deprive myself of other things like beef; i never crave beef. in fact, i have found that when i deprive myself of cheese which i absolutely love, my body does not crave it. this is all different from grains, which my body craves more the more i deprive myself of it.

(im pretty sure i am a secretor)



We must be twins b/c that is exactly how I am about grains.   :D

Posted by: 702 (Guest), Sunday, March 11, 2007, 7:00am; Reply: 65
I have a question.  What does it mean when you say that 3-5 servings of grains per week is recommended?  Does that mean one slice of bread 3-5 times per week?  Does that mean that even if you have 7 servings per week that you will only have grains at one meal?  I am just confused because that sounds like so little to me.  Whatever happened to the 9 servings per day on the food pyramid?
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, March 11, 2007, 11:10am; Reply: 66
::) ooo soo sorry to popp in here, I am only a half A ;) but please forget any foodpyramids, they are all
manipulated by pharmalobies ::) .....one diet has to fit all ;) (disappointed)(disappointed)(disappointed)(smarty)(hand)(naughty)(whistle)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, March 12, 2007, 6:09pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from Lyrica
I have a question.  What does it mean when you say that 3-5 servings of grains per week is recommended?  Does that mean one slice of bread 3-5 times per week?  Does that mean that even if you have 7 servings per week that you will only have grains at one meal?  I am just confused because that sounds like so little to me.  Whatever happened to the 9 servings per day on the food pyramid?


Some members (usually nonnies but not always) do better on reduced servings of grains.   Personally, I'm almost completely grain free, even though I'm a secretor and should be able to enjoy grain servings 5x a week. It's all about individuality on the BTD, and what works best with your personal, genetic profile.

The "one size fits all" food pyramid grain recommendations doesn't take into account the polymorphisms of blood type, and that the different blood types have digestive systems that are quite different from each other.
Posted by: purlgirl, Monday, March 12, 2007, 6:39pm; Reply: 68
I love to eat grains but have a hard time controlling the amount and then feel awful.  Bloated and constipated.  I've stopped making gain side dishes for myself - its just asking for trouble. (prepare sm amts for DH and  keep in freezer)  I have Rye and sprouted bread in the freezer for myself. I try to have no mor than 1 or 2 pc a day.

I watched a DVD by Gary Null  on Allergies. There were many Drs interview on the  program. I got it from the library - I'm back on the waiting list to get it again. One of the Drs said something about food we crave and tend to bing on being ones we are sensative or even allergic to.

Also that its impossible to  lose weight eating these foods.

Another interesting link to  digestive problems is the Intestinal Permeability or Leaky Gut Syndromes.  I bet a lot of us Nonnies have this problem.
  http://www.mdheal.org/leakygut.htm
Kind of technical but worth reading. I  got the feeling that once the condition is healed one might be able to eat sensative food again.      
Posted by: Alia Vo, Monday, March 12, 2007, 7:44pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from purlgirl
I love to eat grains but have a hard time controlling the amount and then feel awful.  Bloated and constipated.  I've stopped making gain side dishes for myself - its just asking for trouble. (prepare sm amts for DH and  keep in freezer)  I have Rye and sprouted bread in the freezer for myself. I try to have no mor than 1 or 2 pc a day.   


'A' non-secretors do better results with decreased portion/frequency guidelines with grains; it is important to eliminate all wheat and corn based grain products.

Perhaps try pre-slicing your bread before you freeze it, then you can take out one portion per sitting.

ETA: One portion of Nature's Path rye manna is equivalent to two slices of Ezekiel 4:9 bread.

Alia
Posted by: 875 (Guest), Tuesday, March 13, 2007, 11:36pm; Reply: 70
I do so much better on a low amount of grains - i.e. 1 serving a day, and my grains must be HB - buckwheat, ezekeal bread, etc.  

I have Crohn's Disease and Lupus (also gluten intolerance) - I follow the Allergy book protocal and it is 7-9 servings/week so I stick close to that and the grains are eaten in whole grain form as much as possible (whole buckwheat cereal, amaranth, qunoa cereal, etc).  If I eat too many grains I pay for it with stiff joints or many bathroom trips and then bloating or the candida flares up.

I am a secretor who does better with a small amount of grain and more protein.  I make muffins out of almond meal (no other flour) and use them as my "grain" for when I get a grain craving - it hits the spot quite well - I am guessing it is the the high protein of the muffin.

Also I eat too much and the pounds just load on so fast it isn't funny.  So no spelt bread, etc. for me - I miss it though!!!
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 9:03pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from elliefeldman
I do so much better on a low amount of grains - i.e. 1 serving a day, and my grains must be HB - buckwheat, ezekeal bread, etc.


According to Typebase4, I believe Ezekiel 4:9 bread is presently considered neutral; LR and ER has it stated as beneficial.

Alia
Posted by: 875 (Guest), Friday, March 16, 2007, 12:42am; Reply: 72
Hmmm... Ezekial bread is listed as a beneficial in the Allergy Series Book.  I don't think that those different breakdowns are all in typebase 4.  I have yet to see any of those specific changes in typebase 4 for Allergy - i.e. things that are different in the different Health Library book series (Allergies, Cardiovascular, Diabetes, Fatigue, Athritis, etc).  I have seen some of them for cancer and diabetes, but none for the Allergies Book.  Maybe I am wrong.....but I am going to go by the Allergy book since things are differently laid out, especially the changes for the super beneficial and beneficial items.  It is working for me with no problems.  :)
Posted by: Laura P, Friday, March 16, 2007, 2:31am; Reply: 73
Quoted from longshot
i wanted to add that when i deprive myself of grains i tend to binge on them...like i find that my body craves them. this is different from when i deprive myself of other things like beef; i never crave beef. in fact, i have found that when i deprive myself of cheese which i absolutely love, my body does not crave it. this is all different from grains, which my body craves more the more i deprive myself of it.

(im pretty sure i am a secretor)



Actually this is because grains are addictive, they stimulate certain neurotransmitters in your brain, hence even more reason to reduce servings.  Also as someone mentioned earlier, addictions often equal allergies
Posted by: Alia Vo, Saturday, March 17, 2007, 7:30pm; Reply: 74
Quoted from elliefeldman
Hmmm... Ezekial bread is listed as a beneficial in the Allergy Series Book.  I don't think that those different breakdowns are all in typebase 4.  I have yet to see any of those specific changes in typebase 4 for Allergy - i.e. things that are different in the different Health Library book series (Allergies, Cardiovascular, Diabetes, Fatigue, Athritis, etc).  I have seen some of them for cancer and diabetes, but none for the Allergies Book.  Maybe I am wrong.....but I am going to go by the Allergy book since things are differently laid out, especially the changes for the super beneficial and beneficial items.  It is working for me with no problems.  :)


If you are following a Health Series Book, then I would pay attention to the food ratings, as well as, the portion/frequency guidelines from the specific book you are utilizing.  

Food values and portion/frequency guidelines vary from the ABO small pocket books, CR4YT, ER4YT, LR4YT, and the Health Series Books.

In general, I believe Typebase4 is for the food ratings from ER and LR for the general population that is following this lifestyle.

Alia
Posted by: 711 (Guest), Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 11:59am; Reply: 75
I've always done well with grains. I've always had to have bread even as a child. I get sick if I don't get enough bread. Sounds crazy, I know. I suffer from migraines. Apparently, the carbs help keep them at bay. How else can I explain fierce migraines if I go a couple of days without a lot of carbs each day?! I do eat low fat foods. The foods are just high in carbs. I thrive on low-fat, high carb diets vs. high-protein, low carb diets. Too much meat makes me feel sick. I can easily go all day and not have meat without realizing it. Just the same, I can't go vegan because I do crave meat at times. Beef sits on my stomach like a rock.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 2:20pm; Reply: 76
you might benefit from these protein combos
Legumes + seeds
Legumes + nuts
Legumes + dairy
Grains + legumes
Grains + dairy
the exception is soy protein which is a complete plant protien.
Fermenting removes most of the phytates which
interferes with mineral absorption, it also
helps to inactivate the protease inhibitors
which interfere with protein digestion
Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 9:42pm; Reply: 77
I seem to be doing ok with grains such as rye, buckwheat, oats.  My portions are not big at all, eg a slice of rye bread per main meal or 2 or 3 rye crackers or oatcakes, 3/4 homemade biscuits.  I guess I have around 3 portions a day.  If I have less I feel deprived and hungry.

Lately, I've tried VERY small portions of wheat (as in flour when I'm cooking or pasta) and I didn't notice any bad effects.  I avoid it on a regular basis, mostly because I worry I won't digest it well, but I must admit I don't have any real evidence to support this: I'm mostly influenced by all the bad publicity that wheat normally gets.

Having grains keeps my cravings under control.  It's a great feeling because for years I blamed them for my excess weight and I kept avoiding them and now that I'm eating them I'm losing weight!!   ;D
Posted by: 1328 (Guest), Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 11:17pm; Reply: 78
I was just thinking of this thread today.   :)  I do not do well with a lot of grain.  I find that 3 to 4 small servings of grain/grain products are enough for me.  The grains that I have no affects with are buckwheat, spelt, amaranth, quinoa and rye.  If I eat to much grain foods I get real lathargic and depression sets in real fast.
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 11:23pm; Reply: 79
I don't know where I currently stand with grains, but I do know that wheat causes me constipation and bloat, and fuels my cravings for more wheat and sugar. I can eat a whole loaf of sourdough bread made from wheat flour, whereas one or two slices of sourdough rye bread satisfies me. I can't do grains in the morning, though, because that is a sure way to make me sleepy by 11am.
Posted by: Mitchie, Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 10:04am; Reply: 80
Being a recovering carb junkie I could eat grains all day, every day, but then I couldn't fit into any of my clothes.  I limit myself to one cup of amaranth cereal with rice milk, almonds and berries for breakfast.

Could I eat pasta for every meal?  Oh yea, baby!!! :X
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 1:52pm; Reply: 81
Quoted from Mitchie
I limit myself to one cup of amaranth cereal with rice milk, almonds and berries for breakfast.


What brand of amaranth cereal is this? Or do you make it fresh?
Posted by: 1192 (Guest), Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 6:42pm; Reply: 82
I eat an Amaranth cereal with rice milk.  It's made by Health Valley.  Organic Amarath Flakes, is what it's called.  I stay away from Wheat.  BLOATING terrible from wheat, oatmeal works great for me.  
Posted by: 950 (Guest), Sunday, July 15, 2007, 12:51pm; Reply: 83
I eat 100% natural Amaranth puffed cereal by Nu-World Foods. It's made in an allergen free environment and has none of the bitter amaranth aftertaste. I have it with unsweetened soy milk and a few drops of agave syrup. It's like a dessert. Can be made hot or cold and great food for little ones!
Posted by: Drea, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 1:07pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from Sunny
I eat 100% natural Amaranth puffed cereal by Nu-World Foods. It's made in an allergen free environment and has none of the bitter amaranth aftertaste. I have it with unsweetened soy milk and a few drops of agave syrup. It's like a dessert. Can be made hot or cold and great food for little ones!


All the Amaranth cereals I've run across contain corn... :-/. My NN status indicates that corn is an avoid.  :'(
Posted by: Stormy, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 4:00pm; Reply: 85
I find I do ok with amaranth, oatmeal, rye and rice.  I do horrible when I eat potatoes, wheat or corn.  I get real hyper and then get very tired, followed by incredible crankiness/anger!!!

I've tried different flaked creals (neutral or bennie) and find I get the same reaction as the potatoes, wheat or corn.  Don't know why.  When I eat the whole grain I don't get that reaction.   ??)

In the end, I am probably eating way too many grains throughout the day.  About 1 3/4 cup amaranth/oatmeal, and have just started back eating rice every other day (about 1 cup).

Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 4:04pm; Reply: 86
buy natural amaranth seeds and either toast them to make your compliant cereal or have it natural, too.

some even soak it and cook it like it were rice.
sweet or savory, both work fine!
Posted by: Drea, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 4:31pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from lola
buy natural amaranth seeds and either toast them to make your compliant cereal or have it natural, too.


Anybody have a step-by-step on how to roast/pop amaranth seeds?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 4:51pm; Reply: 88
either in a pan or in the oven, making sure it doesn't scorch.......

constantly moving it around like you would anything you toast.
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 11:18pm; Reply: 89
Interesting that 24 secretors have voted in this poll. More than double the nonnies at this point.
Posted by: zola, Monday, July 16, 2007, 7:48am; Reply: 90
There aren't too many of us nonnies!

I do best with sprouted grain products (especially Ezekiel tortillas, bread & breakfast cereal)  brown basmati rice (easy to digest) rice and rye crackers. Quinoa is very light and makes me feel good.

Going anti-grain brings on the headaches.
Posted by: 1011 (Guest), Monday, July 23, 2007, 7:15pm; Reply: 91
I don't know how I do with grains yet. I have just started this diet. I am usually tired every day but that coud easily be from all the red meat and sugar. I will have to wait a few weeks and see how it goes. I'm hoping I have more energy.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 23, 2007, 11:52pm; Reply: 92
secretor and subtyping tests will target your food lists....
Posted by: Mitchie, Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 10:33am; Reply: 93
I just re-read my amaranth cereal ingredients and it contains corn.  That was fine when I was in "I guess I'm a secretor " mode but now that I've joined the nonnie world corn is bad.  Very, very bad.

Guess I'll have to start a new cereal search.  Darn, I really liked that cereal.  ;D
Posted by: 504 (Guest), Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 2:28pm; Reply: 94
I put do well with grains with the proviso that I keep within recommended amounts. I have far more problems with allowed dairy products, and have yet to source unsweetened soy alteratives for cheese. Also, although I am a secretor, I am still to be convinced that corn and oats are ok for me, but I'm still learning...........
Posted by: 505 (Guest), Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 3:25pm; Reply: 95
I seem to be able to handle one "serving" of grain per day just fine.  I am completely grainless at this time and have less mucus production and joint pain.
Posted by: SadieMay, Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 9:46pm; Reply: 96
I find that wheat causes me to itch, and try to stay away from any of the starches that have a high glycemic index.
I normally have a whole grain rice cake with peanut butter for breakfast and sometimes feel shaky an hour later.  I blame it on the coffee, but maybe the rice cake is raising my blood sugar too much.
I have had hypoglycemia for years, so not eating LOTS of protein is very different for me.  Since March of 2007, I have cut the protein and tried more veggies and beans.  I still feel better when I have some protein with each meal even if it is only walnuts or farmer cheese on a salad.  I also need to eat something about every 3 hours.
Every day is an adventure!
Posted by: Andrew, Thursday, October 4, 2007, 12:28am; Reply: 97
Quoted from Bell_Barbara
... and try to stay away from any of the starches that have a high glycemic index.
I normally have a whole grain rice cake with peanut butter for breakfast and sometimes feel shaky an hour later.  I blame it on the coffee, but maybe the rice cake is raising my blood sugar too much.
I have had hypoglycemia for years, so not eating LOTS of protein is very different for me.  Since March of 2007, I have cut the protein and tried more veggies and beans.  I still feel better when I have some protein with each meal even if it is only walnuts or farmer cheese on a salad.  I also need to eat something about every 3 hours.
Every day is an adventure!


Bell Barbara:
The rice cake has a high glycemic index value. In other words it has the equivalent effect on the blood sugar of something like white bread or sugar; the blood sugar rises very quickly and then drops, very rapidly.  Drinking coffee will tend to exaggerate the effect. The peanut butter will, being protein, will reduce the effect by slowing the digestion of the rice cake.
It is not surprising that an hour or so later, you might feel shaky.
Dr D's suggestion (LR4YT p179 & 181) to eat more protein in the morning might reduce the hypoglycemia. Some of the others on the forums have found that this works well for them. I have found that only protein in the morning and adding grains at lunch time and later works well for me.  I did find that eating frequent, small "meals", particularly in the morning also works well for me.
Do experiment with this and find "what works". I thought that some of this was "nuts".... until I tried it and it worked!! :)
Hugs
Andrew
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 4, 2007, 1:42am; Reply: 98
Quoted Text
I have cut the protein and tried more veggies and beans.  I still feel better when I have some protein with each meal even if it is only walnuts or farmer cheese on a salad.

try the compliant animal protein instead, like turkey and fish, since that seemed to work for you in the past. :)
Posted by: 151 (Guest), Saturday, October 13, 2007, 10:39pm; Reply: 99
I'm A neg non-secretor. I've had some rice (white & brown)and that's about it. The rice seems to go down w/o any problems.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, October 17, 2007, 2:36pm; Reply: 100
I had testing at Enterolab and I tested gluten intolerant. Also intolerant to soy, dairy and eggs.  Rice causes arthritis pain. Wheat affects me mentally mostly (anxiety, panic attacks). I can tolerate oats as long as there's no cross contamination (hard to tell). I believe I can also tolerate millet and quinuoa.  Trying to be a vegetarian is difficult.  I'm also Italian, so no pasta.  I can tolerate corn well.  I eat sphagetthi squash instead of pasta. corn pasta is mushy.
Posted by: Jenny, Sunday, October 28, 2007, 8:37pm; Reply: 101
Quoted from 815
I had testing at Enterolab and I tested gluten intolerant. Also intolerant to soy, dairy and eggs.  Rice causes arthritis pain. Wheat affects me mentally mostly (anxiety, panic attacks). I can tolerate oats as long as there's no cross contamination (hard to tell). I believe I can also tolerate millet and quinuoa.  Trying to be a vegetarian is difficult.  I'm also Italian, so no pasta.  I can tolerate corn well.  I eat sphagetthi squash instead of pasta. corn pasta is mushy.

Have you tried spelt (I know it is a kind of wheat,but it may be alright?...........)
Jenny

Posted by: eh, Monday, October 29, 2007, 12:54am; Reply: 102
Quoted from Robert



 My wife is an AB and she has lost over 40 lbs in the last year and a half and seems to eat grains every day and not just a few bites either.

Bob


This isn't remarked upon often, Bob. It's something that needs some investigation!?

I don't have weight problems despite eating massive amounts of grain compared to most people, especially rice and wheat (spelt/rye/oat/ conventional wheat breads ). Four serves of bread for lunch followed (on the same day) by a cup of cooked rice for dinner, or a total of two and a half cups of rice a day is not unusual for me (my meals also include a total of seven or more vegetables, olive oil and fish/turkey/lamb.)

The only thing that gives me gut problems is wholegrain spelt pasta.  I would say that I need my wholegrains properly leavened in a loaf of bread. Yeast may be the magic ingredient in delivering grains in a non fattening way for AB secretors ??) ??) If I had a cheese and salad sandwich roll for lunch everyday I would lose weight without even trying. Two sandwiches, on the other hand, keep my weight stable. I rarely eat fruit, except for cucumbers (my favourite) and tomatoes. I've been like this forever.
eh
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, October 29, 2007, 8:00am; Reply: 103
Quoted from eh

The only thing that gives me gut problems is wholegrain spelt pasta.  I would say that I need my wholegrains properly leavened in a loaf of bread. Yeast may be the magic ingredient in delivering grains in a non fattening way for AB secretors ??) ??)


Eh I´m not surprised !
I am the same  even as a B !
Wholegrain spelt pasta is really hard to digest and the phytic makes it hard to absorb important minerals.
Wholegrain should in general be soaked  and in quick breads and pasta that doesn´t happen. Even when you bake yeastbread some of the phytic will break down while bread rise - however sour dough is a better idea- the acid inviroment breaks down the phytic.
If one doesn´t like the flavour of sour dough use yoghurt in your bread or leave the wholegrain flour and water + 1 tbl lemonjuice over night before adding yeast and white flour.

Well pasta is a special threat in our family due to the O
- so I have stopped buying the wholegrain spelt pasta
and found a white spelt version instead- I get plenty of fibres without it.
BUT I can´t help wondering :at the moment here in Denmark; the wholegrain (wheat pasta) is JUST every where . Not only is it a bad thing for most of us ( due to the wheat) - but also in regards to the high phytics in wholegrain!
So when the specialists here told us to eat wholegrain they forgot one important message soak first !
Posted by: Gumby, Sunday, December 2, 2007, 7:50pm; Reply: 104
Hi gang!  Been a while since I've posted.  Found this thread very interesting so thought I would resurect it. :D

I just had my one year btd-aversary, and for the first year I was limiting grains to once/day, sometimes twice.  It was working for me, but had a few issues.  Talked them over with my naturopath, and based on all my testing etc he suggested that my body was struggling with digesting protein. Kind of made sense.  So I further refined things, and increased my grains significantly.  And cut down my protein just as much. (mostly veg protein, btw...I don't do well with too much animal protein...) Anyway, it has been a month and I have started to feel even better, so I think it is working.  I am careful to rotate my grains so that I won't get sensitive to any.  Wheat is out, but most other ben/neut are good.  

Now I need to figure out how much veg protein I can tolerate LOL...I miss my legumes!!!!  :D
Posted by: Lola, Monday, December 3, 2007, 4:10am; Reply: 105
try these complete protein combos, designed for As who thrive in plant protein based diets.
Legumes + seeds
Legumes + nuts
Legumes + dairy
Grains + legumes
Grains + dairy
the exception is soy protein which is a complete protein

long time no see! ;)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, December 16, 2007, 11:04pm; Reply: 106
Hi All,
I was away for awhile, now I'm back! I've been cheating with wheat for the holidays.  (sigh) :-/  It's extremely difficult for me to give it up! I ate it for 49 years! I'm 51. I notice when I don't eat it, I have more focus, and I feel more emotionally stable and able to handle more stress. I have less anxiety. I just read that they did a study and countries that ate little or no wheat had almost non existant schizophrenia and depression, as compared to other countries that had a high wheat consumption! Scary.  :o Wheat is not the only grain that contains gluten. Rye, Barley and Spelt all contain gluten. Also couscous is wheat. Soy sauce contains wheat and gluten, but La Choy brand doesn't!! ;D

I found by accident a substitute for spaghetti...SaiFun Bean Threads! they come in a bag, made of mung bean flour, starch and water. I just soak them 10 mins in hot water and serve. They have a real close consistancy to wheat spaghetti that's aladente'. I found them in the chinese grocery store.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, December 17, 2007, 2:59am; Reply: 107
the starch would be which?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, December 25, 2007, 4:55pm; Reply: 108
;D    Happy Holidays Everyone!
Posted by: sml, Monday, March 31, 2008, 6:29pm; Reply: 109
I eat a ton of grains daily. Morning with Oatmeat, snack at 10Am and lunch and dinner always have grains plus a fruit. Can't do wheat, but when eating at home no problemo...problem is I :o am often hungry and keep loosing weight, which is not needed at this time.
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, March 31, 2008, 8:10pm; Reply: 110
Quoted from sml
I eat a ton of grains daily. Morning with Oatmeat, snack at 10Am and lunch and dinner always have grains plus a fruit. Can't do wheat, but when eating at home no problemo...problem is I :o am often hungry and keep loosing weight, which is not needed at this time.

Carbohydrates only take about two hours to digest, which then makes you hungry at that time, unless you eat enough protein to carry you through to the next meal...  For instance, for breakfast, add in an egg or some vegetable protein to help stave off the hunger until lunch time...

Hope this helps...
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 31, 2008, 8:30pm; Reply: 111
SML, what are you eating other than the grains?
Posted by: sml, Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 3:05am; Reply: 112
I eat grains, vegs, fruit...not much in the form of fat at the moment as I have to limit it for my Chinese Doc....But even before the Dr, with a vegan diet and 50 grams of fat/day I lost weight (7lbs..quick) just by cutting the cheeses.
Posted by: A island mama, Tuesday, April 15, 2008, 5:57pm; Reply: 113
I'm new to the BTD and had a question in regard to dairy.  BTD says to limit/avoid dairy.  I am type A and my children are as well.  

My son has been allergic to dairy and soy since birth.  Goat milk is all he can tolerate.  He just turned one year old, so his diet is still largely (goat) milk based.  He has frequent recurring ear & sinus infections.  I know cow dairy causes increased mucus production, but is this also true of goat's milk which is considered neutral?  

My daughter (almost 3 yrs old) also consumes a lot of goat milk.  Should I cut back?  She chooses not to eat meat, but won't eat beans either.  I figure the goat milk is a good source of protein for her at this point.  Tried unsuccessfully to sneak some soy milk into her goat milk.  

Both children have had a couple bronchial infections in the past year and I have a had a couple infections just in the last couple months.  I'm trying to reduce the mucous secretions in order to avoid future boughts.  Any one have experience or thoughts on this situation?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, April 15, 2008, 7:02pm; Reply: 114
Hi! Welcome!  Feed your kids elderberry jelly on toast. They won't get a cold, flu or pneumonia (viral versions)ever again.  Dairy does inhibit iron absorption. Goat milk is neutral for us. You can check the Typebase Food Values up on the top of the page and you can check many foods.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 16, 2008, 3:02am; Reply: 115
the problem is the whey......
give them soy milk instead......and find a source with no binders or gums or additives.....
Posted by: A island mama, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 1:03am; Reply: 116
Quoted from Lola
the problem is the whey......
give them soy milk instead......and find a source with no binders or gums or additives.....


About the additives...do you have a brand of soy milk you can recommend?  I personally drink soy milk and noticed the brand I use contains carageenan (which is not recommended for type A), but I looked at the other 3 or 4 brands at the supermarket and they all contained carageenan too, so I stuck with the brand that I think tastes the best.

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 1:10am; Reply: 117

Westsoy Unsweetened Soy Milk is a good one to try
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 1:45am; Reply: 118
Right, and you can always add something yourself if you want.
Posted by: A island mama, Sunday, April 20, 2008, 1:17am; Reply: 119
Thanks, I'll look for Westsoy the next time at the store.  It sounds familiar.  I'm going to try sneaking it into my daughter's goat milk again and see if she notices.
Posted by: A island mama, Sunday, May 25, 2008, 1:04pm; Reply: 120
I do well with grains provided they are not wheat.  If I eat 100% whole wheat products (be it bread, cereal, or pasta) I get terrible heartburn.  I used to think I did just fine on refined wheat products, but now have noticed a connection that if I eat refined wheat, I crave more, and I also feel extremely bloated and heavy afterwards.  I have stopped buying certain crackers for my 3 year old because if they are in the house, I can't resist them, and I can't stop eating them once I start.  This is not a reaction I normally have to food and, honestly, it scares me that I can't put it down.  Just found out yesterday that I'm a non-secretor, which helps me make more sense of all this.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, May 26, 2008, 12:01am; Reply: 121
I used to be the same way with wheat.  And sugar.  I couldn't stop once I started.  Somebody left half a blueberry pie here once after a gathering and I ate half a piece and just eyed the rest.  Before the day was over I'd eaten the entire 4 pieces.  I didn't realize I did it.  But I did.  I felt terrible.  Not just because of all the sugar and wheat but because I wasn't able to stop myself and couldn't even remember that I'd done it.   :X
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, May 26, 2008, 2:38am; Reply: 122
I do that too Ribbit, only I remember doing it..lol..
Posted by: A island mama, Monday, May 26, 2008, 7:44pm; Reply: 123
Yikes!

Yes, I am trying to change my mindset to "Eat to Live, not Live to Eat"

It is difficult though.  I am a "foodie".  I love to cook.  I love to eat a wide range of things.  But I am also tired of unexplainable stomach aches that can last a day or a week.  I don't eat "junk food" per say.  I just like to eat!
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 9:19am; Reply: 124
;D :X ::) :D sweet Ribbitle...hmmm I guess that here are merely working the feeling of being guilty  :P ;)

what I observed in different humans, and bloodtypes :
they do have a tougher need for recompenses....and if they become aware about that in the moment they begin to eat.... all can be stopped...but if not...they just continue until all is eaten up. Please look beyon your feelings at that special moment...what is overthere you don't want to feel but gets you the need to eat it down???
Sorry to be that direct...bu ya know me.... :P ;) ;D :D :K)
better than to turn around the hot pie (smarty)(sunny)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 1:54pm; Reply: 125
Quoted from A island mama
Yikes!
But I am also tired of unexplainable stomach aches that can last a day or a week.



I'd only get those week long and on occassion month long stomach aches from tomatoes and or hot peppers (nightshades)mostly cooked tomato sauce, which Dr. D said increases the really bad lectins..10 fold. So why do I miss it so much?  It's an Italian thing... :(
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 3:16pm; Reply: 126
Quoted from 815



I'd only get those week long and on occassion month long stomach aches from tomatoes and or hot peppers (nightshades)mostly cooked tomato sauce, which Dr. D said increases the really bad lectins..10 fold. So why do I miss it so much?  It's an Italian thing... :(


I don't know, Mayflowers. I am not Italian but still the smell of a tomato sauce bubbling on the stove is almost heavenly to me. Nothing smells better than a good tomato/beef spaghetti sauce!! Mmmmmmm! I have tons of recipes I have concocted myself using tomatoes. But, boy, do those things make me hurt, hurt, hurt.......

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 3:51pm; Reply: 127
Spring, girl..it's an Italian thing.. :) You have experienced our food..

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Nothing smells better than a good tomato/beef spaghetti sauce!!
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, May 29, 2008, 1:07am; Reply: 128
I don't think it's just an Italian thing, because I have 0% Italian blood, and yet I have nightshade cravings too.  Well, not anymore.  The longer I'm off them the less I want them.  And Isa, it was that first bite that did it.  It got to where it was  better just to never eat a single bite at all than to eat a bite then try to stop myself.  Now I have no trouble with any of those issues at all.  Even having a tidbit of sugar no longer sparks a desire to continue eating.  I attribute that partly to the GTD (I still had the cravings on BTD) and partly to my raw diet, because the more raw foods I eat the less I want anything processed at all.  I was at an event a couple of months ago where I saw some pecan pie.  I thought to myself, "That looks really good.  I'd like a piece.  But if I eat one, will I be able to stop?"  I ate one piece.  I think it was the best pecan pie I ever put in my mouth.  The middle was incredibly gooey.  It was risky, I know.  But the neat and (to borrow Spring's term) amazing thing was that I was able to eat one piece, enjoy it, not feel guilty, and it didn't spark any cravings whatsoever.  I didn't feel yucky the next day (although my skin looked a little worse for a week afterwords).  I think my sugar cravings are over, hopefully for good.  And look there!  I ate it and remembered eating it! :D
Posted by: A island mama, Thursday, May 29, 2008, 1:14am; Reply: 129
Wait, wait, wait!  Mayflowers, Spring, Ribbit!  

You're all non-secretors.  In LR4YT, it says tomatoes, peppers, etc are neutral for non-secretors.  I haven't added them back in yet, but do you mean to say that they are STILL problematic!?  I am so disappointed.  I know peppers cause me excess phlegm, and the last time I ate slice of pizza I had heartburn before I even finished it (the slice, not the whole pie  ;)) but I was still hoping that maybe I could eat tomatoes occasionally.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, May 29, 2008, 1:46am; Reply: 130
Oh, yes, IMama, oh, yes, yes, yes.  Nightshades make me schizophrenic, I kid you not.  They make me insane.  When I have nightshades I start thinking people are out to get me and I will have panic attacks and I will convince myself that my husband hates me, my kids are terrors, and my life is a joke.  I kid you not.  And that's just the mental part.  It will set in within 24 hours of an exposure to a nightshade.  (Ingestion of any, and even touching a pepper or inhaling the steam of one being sauted.)  If I eat a nightshade my skin breaks out in boils from the top of my head down to my rear end.  Sometimes on my arms (lower too, not just upper, though mainly upper) and even sometimes my inner thighs and down along, strangely, the meridian on the outside of my lower leg, the same meridian that used to ache back when I had fibromyalgia (which might have, incidentally, been caused by ingestion of nightshades).  The boils will ooze for about 3-6 months.  Then they dry up, mostly, but will sit as knots under the skin for years.  Okay, that's not fair to say.  They're gone now, all those knots are.  They used to sit there for years, waiting to resurface just whenever.  When I went on the BTD I went through some pretty intense cravings of nightshades.  It was tomato sauce I wanted.  After I switched to the nonnie diet, I tried tomatoes again and found that I could eat them very occasionally, but certainly not on a regular basis.  I'd get that old depression and paranoia again if I ate them two days in a row.  Now I avoid them entirely because the last time I had a tiny bite of one, in a salad, I reacted even to that.  And it had been months and months since I'd had the last exposure.

Okay, I'm done.  Nightshades are deadly.  They're evil.  And yummy.  Did I just say that?

But we are all individuals and it may be that you can eat tomatoes just fine.  But I can't.  At least not at this point.  Maybe eventually I can, but right now I consider myself very allergic to them.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, May 29, 2008, 1:48am; Reply: 131
following a compliant A non secretor diet or Gt diet in your case might eventually allow you to be able to enjoy the tomatoes, after a certain time....
many have profited from their old intolerances.
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Thursday, May 29, 2008, 2:22am; Reply: 132
Tomatoes used to make me feel like a nervous wreck. Besides making my stomach hurt. I haven't tried them in years!
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, May 29, 2008, 2:29am; Reply: 133
And you figured that out pre-BTD.  Good for you!  

Yes, Lola, I'm hoping that also.  After seeing what my body has done with wheat and dairy, maybe tomatoes will follow.  I sure miss spaghetti.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, May 29, 2008, 6:01pm; Reply: 134
(shy)sory to disturb but starches and grains are the same for me ::) :-/...ahem...seeds are different coz of no gluten, gliadin of whatsoeer in...  ;D ;D wheter it might be rice-
quinoa or amaranth...


amaranth is  ok for me...the rest just forget it  :-/ :B :P
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, May 30, 2008, 12:57am; Reply: 135
Amaranth makes a nice, puffy bread when ground into flour.
Posted by: A island mama, Saturday, May 31, 2008, 2:43am; Reply: 136
Wow, all that nightshade talk is pretty unnerving.

I would have never imagined a connection.  I had an uncle who was truly schizophrenic, I have another that might be.  Depression runs in both sides of my family, and I have a brother who is bipolar.  Did I mention that I majored in psychology?

The biggest benefit that I first experienced from BTD was a great improvement in my mood.  I was so excited, I emailed my brother who is bipolar to find out if he knew his blood type.  I'm not sure what food(s) to attribute it to exactly b/c I cut out a lot of stuff all at once.

I had salsa yesterday for the first time in 2 months.  It might have no correlation at all, but I was definitely in one of the foulest moods I can remember in a while.  I did have an insanely busy day of work too, so that could have contributed, but it is definitely food for thought and I will have to keep that info in mind about the nightshades.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 31, 2008, 2:48am; Reply: 137
WGA causes symptoms in some as well.
Wheat Germ Agglutinin
Wheat is known to inhibit dopamine beta hydroxylase (DBH), an enzyme that converts adrenaline-like precursors to dopamine.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, May 31, 2008, 1:41pm; Reply: 138
That's why I do ok on whole wheat and bran.  The fiber probably speeds up the passage through my intestines so they don't have time to absorb the nasty opiate like chemicals that cause mental reactions most noticeably...foggy brain-ness.  When I ate white flour, I had many more symptoms ..and as Ribbit said, the diet is changing the body so it can tolerate things it couldn't before!

I just ate turkey bacon..I feel sick.. :X won't be eating that again..terribly salty..yuck.. :P

This diet is seriously changing me...I can't stand looking at meat anymore!(scared) I'm really developing an aversion to it..Not going to be easy cooking for the kids..
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, June 2, 2008, 1:49am; Reply: 139
Oh, that's interesting.  I wasn't sure why whole wheat was okay for me.  I mean, I understand in theory why whole grains are better, but I hadn't taken it that far in my mind to say that the fiber speeds up the processing so it doesn't sit as long.  Maybe that's the entire issue.  Maybe it's the fermenting process  :X in sluggish bowels that's the problem, and now that my digestive system actually works, it just ... goes right through.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 7:22pm; Reply: 140
even whole grains might be problematic for us, the *royals* :-/ just take care about your choice!!!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 7:26pm; Reply: 141
Quoted from Lola
Wheat is known to inhibit dopamine beta hydroxylase (DBH), an enzyme that converts adrenaline-like precursors to dopamine.


What does that mean Lola? Are you saying it causes depression?

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 8:45pm; Reply: 142
right!
among other things!
read the wiki link on WGA......
note, this advice is according to BT/GT and gluten sensitivity issues.....not applicable to all.
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, June 5, 2008, 1:45am; Reply: 143
It used to make me depressed.  I don't know why it doesn't now, except that the GTD healed me.  That's all I can say.  I have NO symptoms of depression, constipation, paranoia, etc. that I used to have when I ate wheat before.  I am taking it easy, Isa.  I don't eat much, but that's mainly because it's not an addiction anymore.  I don't eat it every day.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, June 5, 2008, 7:10am; Reply: 144
yessss Ribbitle, :-) you might be right....when leaky gut is healed up, whole grains might be better digested.....but it can be also a form of trigger coz of the gluten in those stuffs.
Since I stopped to eat high glyc. grains....flours etc... I feel much better and no more stomach cramps  :-/
since I stopped my high caféintake...nearly no fears anymore....
and I feel muchmore relaxed without that stuff (ok)(sleeping)
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, June 7, 2008, 8:52pm; Reply: 145
An A thing y'all would appreciate....

We had somebody come this morning and do some health stuff necessary before getting some sort of life insurance.  She took a urine sample and blood sample and did an EKG on my husband ("Because of his age," she said, which brought laughter from me.  He'll be 40 this fall!), but the funny thing was when she took my blood.  She said, "Hm.  You sure are taking a long time to produce any blood."  It was thick and dark, dark red.  I smiled to myself.  I didn't bother explaining that as an A I do have thick blood.  Maybe I should have educated the nurse. :)

My blood pressure was up.  I don't remember the numbers, but it was higher than it's ever been.  This is good news for me because I usually have very low blood pressure and I have to always be very careful about moving too fast, standing up quickly, running, getting overheated in the shower or the summer, anything like that, because my blood pressure will drop and I come very close to passing out.  But I hadn't realized that in the last few months things have been better.  Maybe I should post this under GTD testimonials.  The GTD has regulated my blood pressure and I don't feel like I'm going to pass out all the time anymore.
Posted by: Bethysue, Sunday, June 8, 2008, 12:28am; Reply: 146
For some strange reason, I can look at any animal protein and gain 2 pounds (okay, seriously that doesn't happen) but I do gain about 2 pounds if I eat animal protein other than fish. I can eat carbs all day long (healthy ones) and weight falls off of me... ??)Kind of off topic but I just wanted to share in addition to the poll I just took.
Posted by: syren4444, Sunday, September 28, 2008, 11:57pm; Reply: 147
I'm brand new to the diet so I'll know better after time, but right off the bat from my past food history I'm avoiding any wheat, tends to make me puffy.  I react poorly to oatmeal too, makes my stomach gassy/bloaty.  So I typically stuck to brown rice and potatoes before.  Now I'm going to try quinoa, brn rice, buckwheat, millet, and other gluten free grainds and see how I do!

Question, if some of you don't eat grains, what do you eat all day besides veggies and fruit?  I'd have such a stomach ache without any grain
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:37am; Reply: 148
Quoted from syren4444
Question, if some of you don't eat grains, what do you eat all day besides veggies and fruit?  I'd have such a stomach ache without any grain



Well if I had wheat my stomach would be in real trouble.

Veggies are my main stay, but I also eat chicken, turkey, fish, ostrich, soy, flax, nuts, peanuts, hemp, olive oil, sprouts
Posted by: Sky, Sunday, October 5, 2008, 5:24pm; Reply: 149
Going through Army basic training, I tried to do the "sensible" thing and eat a balanced diet, and in my mind, that included eating a lot of bread. So I was often grabbing a bagel and stuffing that in my mouth as I "finished" my meal and shuffled outside for the next bit of training.

So, with the oranges, milk, and tomatoes, my respiratory system was producing a tremendous amount of mucus, and living in cramped quarters with 64 other guys breathing the same air each night, and spending my days around 50 men and women, I thought the anti-pneumonia shot I had taken before going into basic training had caused a negative reaction in my body.

The cold, freezing weather didn't help.

And as I listen now to my father clear his throat for the fifth time in fifteen minutes (he eats so much bread, even though I tell him repeatedly what causes the mucus, but his dumbass, because he's a school teacher, thinks the diet is foolish, and his even bigger idiot heart doctor, who doesn't have his blood type listed on his medical charts, dismissed the diet, too), I think about the flu-like symptoms I seemed to suffer since my body became a respiratory for everyone else's germs. And this happens to my father too when he starts teaching school each fall.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, October 6, 2008, 1:27am; Reply: 150
Quoted from Sky
because he's a school teacher, thinks the diet is foolish,


LOL  I have respect for teachers, but you reminded me of something....One of my husband's sisters is a teacher and she thinks we're insane.  She is obese (as are the other sisters) and has jumped from Weight Watchers to Atkins to South Beach to this, that, and the other.  She never loses weight, and doesn't let us forget it, but will never in a million years ask us about our diet.  Why is it so easy to accept South Beach but not BTD?  It's just a different diet in their eyes.  Why not just give it a shot?   ??)  She'll complain about her weight but won't even once say, "So, how do you manage to stay under 135 lbs?"
Posted by: Sky, Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 3:55pm; Reply: 151
Reading Dr. Wayne Dyer's "The Sky's the Limit," he described "authoritarian" thinking.

So the person thinks they know everything, and is so convinced of this, that anything that does not fit into their world view, is immediately considered outside of their realm of acceptance.

Both my parents (both school teachers) are this way. Makes it quite difficult for them to get along with each other, and me with them.

Must also explain why they have so few friends.
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:07pm; Reply: 152
Ah, that would be my mom.
Posted by: tunes, Monday, January 19, 2009, 9:55pm; Reply: 153
Maybe Oprah will finally be able to do it...don't know her blood type.  Bouncing up and down with weight can be really hard on the body.
Posted by: littledonsie, Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 4:11am; Reply: 154
Wasn"t to sure what sectetor I am. But at the moment for the time being until I find out. I still eat my wheatbix, which is whole wheat. Have pasta and wheat bread. Don't have any trouble that I know of. Unless...........something sneaky is going on inside my body that I  ;) ;)can"t see and know about.
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, February 19, 2009, 12:09am; Reply: 155
It is possible, Littledonsie.  Sometimes it takes removing something from your diet for a while before you realize what it was doing to you.   ;)
Posted by: Brigitte, Friday, February 20, 2009, 7:46pm; Reply: 156
I accidentally voted "Secretor Do Poorly with Grains", but I meant to click the "Secretor Do Well with Grains".
I've never noticed any problems. I'm an IBS sufferer and cutting my avoid milk/dairy products out of my diet helped me tons. Grains don't instigate cravings, or any other negative side effect. I'm only 26 though. I'm sure this will probably change as I get older.
Having said that, I still limit my grain intake. I may have one toast in the morning, and sometimes a sandwich for lunch. That only makes 3 slices of bread per day max! (and always from the beneficial list). I find that if I don't eat grains in the a.m. I'm hungry aaaallll day long. So I make sure I have the little bit that keeps me full.
Posted by: 5110 (Guest), Sunday, March 29, 2009, 8:23pm; Reply: 157
I don't know if Im a non secreter or not but when i went on the no flour no sugar no salt no kidding diet"high voltage diet" I did very well. Grains are allowed but only how God made them not in breads and flour. So you can have brown rice and oatmeal not brown rice bread and oatmeal muffins etc. Their hidden in a ton of condiments and other foods too so you had to read labels like a hawk. She also suggested even in the purest form keep grains to a serving a day 1/2 cup to 1 cup depending if your having it for breakfast or dinner. I could actually breath see think and had energy on that lifestyle and could taste the real taste of food without the excess salt sugar and perservatives that are on everything. Weight just fell off my body. If I combined Type A witch i just found out friday believing and halfway living the Blood type B diet for the last 5 years but due to pregnancy the test revealed the truth thank god else I would of never been a vegetarian on my own thinking I thrived on dairy and lamb now I can actually lose weight easily, with the high voltage guidelines the results could be awesome.  One big concern Im over 6 months preganant how do  I get all the extra calcium and protein on the A diet??
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, March 29, 2009, 9:49pm; Reply: 158
You really shouldn't have any problem.  My opinion about protein during pregnancy:  perhaps different people (blood types?) need different amounts.  It is very, very difficult to get "enough" protein (the 90+ grams a day they recommend) on a vegetarian diet.  That's a lot of nuts and lentils.  Chicken, turkey and fish help a lot (no chicken for me, though, as a Warrior), plus you can eat eggs.  

My midwife isn't happy with the amount of protein I eat. I'm happy with a bowl of beans.  She said I need two or three bowls to get enough protein for that meal.  Often when she'd ask if I was eating my 90 grams a day, "I'd simply say, 'I'm going my best, and I feel good,'" knowing I wasn't getting that much.  I just followed the BTD!  And I managed to gain 55 lbs (*sigh* I'd like to NOT gain that much this time)and have an 8 lb 10 oz baby with no dairy and very little meat.  I don't think a pregnant A needs as much protein as they recommend.  I'm getting more this time because I'm eating dairy, as I wrote you in another post.

Can you tolerate dairy?
Posted by: cinshad, Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:16am; Reply: 159
Do not know my secretor status, but gave up dairy and wheat and feel so much better, especially sinuses and nasal allergies which have plagued me forever. I do eat spelt, rye, etc.
Posted by: 5112 (Guest), Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 12:47am; Reply: 160
Hi, I'm new to the diet,I am an A+, and I don't understand what the DR. is talking about when he says type A secretor or type A non secretor in his book LIVE RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE. Can anyone help me out? Also are veggie burgers ok. No meat is killing me, I don't like fish. ::)  Thanks you your help.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:21am; Reply: 161
those might have a lot of chemicals, additives, flavoring, gums thrown in the mix......
look for recipes up here, great tasting and all compliant ingredients.

about non secretors..
read the tutorial, last lesson will answer your question
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm
Posted by: Jenny, Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:00am; Reply: 162
Quoted from 5112
Hi, I'm new to the diet,I am an A+, and I don't understand what the DR. is talking about when he says type A secretor or type A non secretor in his book LIVE RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE. Can anyone help me out? Also are veggie burgers ok. No meat is killing me, I don't like fish. ::)  Thanks you your help.

Hi there and welcome to our community.
You ask about secretor and non-secretor. You will find the explanations of what these mean in the Live Right book. To be tested you either find a path lab which accepts a saliva sample from you, or a lab who does a blood Lewis test. they are both simple enough to do once you have found the resources. Other people will advise you about resources in your area. cheerio

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