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Posted by: Elizabeth, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 2:45pm
After struggling with various digestive ills (taken to result from low stomach acid following severe gastritis, despite O-ness), and a bout of candida last year, a specialist has suggested chronic pancreatitis and a full work up for the same (now scheduled).  Has anyone dealt with chronic pancreatitis?  A quick look at medical school outlines on the web included a cheering note: to "avoid death as an outcome" avoiding any further alcohol ingestion was recommended.  
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 6:09pm; Reply: 1
BTD will help you heal slowly but surely!
it is considered anti inflamatory.
how close do you follow the guidelines?
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 6:34pm; Reply: 2
Elizabeth, I have been concerned for a couple of years about certain digestive issues and have looked up pancreatitis on the web.....not fun. It was pretty bleak. So I am keenly interested in what you and your doctor talk about. My doc won't pursue my issue any more since my pain went away.......but ??? I want to know what's up....there are enzymes you can take to help your pancreas digest fats.....and what else can you do?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 6:56pm; Reply: 3
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Serine_proteases
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Acute pancreatitis is such a condition, in which there is premature activation of the digestive enzymes in the pancreas, resulting in self-digestion (autolysis). It also complicates postmortem investigations, as the pancreas often digests itself before it can be assessed visually.

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive5/config.pl?read=11765
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Quercetin helps to prevent the further destruction of the Pancreas in persons afflicted with Pancreatitis (by suppressing the biosynthesis of
Leukotriene B4...a substance implicated in the Inflammation that occurs in Pancreatitis)
Posted by: Elizabeth, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 8:23pm; Reply: 4
Well, the specialist was encouraging--she said that "it is fairly easily treated" with prescription strength pancreatic enzymes, once the diagnosis is confirmed, and those enzymes would replace the need for HCl (she said).  The prescription stuff is apparently stronger than the OTC tablets.  Unfortunately, ethanol seems in some to trigger the pancreatic self-destructive process (leads to scarring, and can ultimately affect the cells that make insulin, not just those connected to digestion).  It seems to be a big problem, if one used to like a glass of wine.  The scary thing is that it is pretty silent until damage is done (if you don't get acute pancreatitis along the way--that is apparently painful and noticeable).  The diagnostic process involves a scan of the pancreas, and endoscopy with small bowel biopsy (and a colonoscopy thrown in for good measure).  
Posted by: Elizabeth, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 8:35pm; Reply: 5
I'm pretty compliant, have grown more so over the years.  I suppose I eat about 1t. of some avoid every other day, but the vast bulk of what I eat is made up of bennies.  (For example, someone offers me a potato chip.  I eat it.  I don't buy them, and don't eat them in volume.  No more potato for a month.)  The avoids I eat are occasional tomatoes in summer; one or two ears of corn per summer month;  the gums in goat milk ice cream, rarely; an occasional piece of potato, maybe 1/2 potato per month; a piece of bacon (yes, I know, bacon) maybe six times a year; a glass or so of black, unsweetened iced tea fairly often in the summer (twice a week), but otherwise all green tea.  These all represent "out of the home" situations except the tomatoes and ice cream.  That's all that comes to mind.  Otherwise, it's all whole foods, and mostly beneficials.  There may be a little bad stuff (corn based whatsis or whatever) in the things I take (OTC enzymes, etc.,)  or restaurant surprises, but that would be it.  I eat 7-9 fruits and vegetables a day, etc.  I have taken quercitin, and plan to take more now.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 9:19pm; Reply: 6
Tomatoes are a type O neutral.

However, tomatoes do get downgraded to a type O neutral infrequent in some of the Health Library books.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 9:22pm; Reply: 7
If you have never tried it, you might try being very compliant for a while and see if it helps your condition.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 9:26pm; Reply: 8
I ve heard the pain is unbearable!
Posted by: Elizabeth, Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 9:37pm; Reply: 9
Yes, well, I hope I don't get there.  Right now, nothing hurts.  Indeed, I only got into this to please my GP (who, for all I know, was right to be concerned) who worried about the amount of HCl I was taking, and then adding enzymes.  Just muddling along, trying to the right thing.
Posted by: Elizabeth, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 2:22pm; Reply: 10
Greetings and thanks all!  All the tests are done and I do not have any signs of chronic pancreatitis or anything else for that matter.  Lovely innards.  Since all that, while I was waiting for results, I was given a new VitaMix juicer and started right off "clean" with at least 1 c. of pulverized raw bennie-type food, or at least neutral, every day (and cut back on HCl and digestive enzymes, added lots more probiotics).  Symptoms have resolved, and yes, water you get from food does do a better job of getting into the cells, at least, skin looks much better.  (Local heat and humidity may be helping too!)  

Anyway, my thought is that while I always eat well, my poor digestion has made it difficult to extract all the benefits, and using this monster machine and drinking the stuff right away is giving me access to a lot of enzymes that are helping break down all my food.  (I don't let the juice, whatever, sit, in case it is doing something bad to the cells--maybe that is needless worry--just as flash freezing is supposed to harm the cells, lead to "dead" by-products).  A little science  here, please?  Anyway, it seems to be working, and my GP wants me to keep on with this for three months, and try to see our plan GI person in the meantime.  Just wanted to check with appreciation, and share some light at the end of the tunnel.
Posted by: resting, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 4:29pm; Reply: 11
Hi Elizabeth,

glad to here you are feeling much better ..... hope that continues .............

many decades ago, I worked in an industrial smelter with big (30'X120') furnaces.  It was 'surreal' to notice the difference between the new-guys and the old-timers.  The temperature was at least 100F in winter and close to 150F during summer.  The new men aways wore the lightest clothes possible and drank from a fountain that produced refrigerated = cold water.  On the other hand, all the old-timers wore long-Jon's year round and would sip water from a bottle that they would purposely place near the furnace to warm up.  [This water would never be boiled and I doubt you would call it hot, but it was warm.  It was specially used during summer!]

This story does suit here ... because we do drink ice-cold water/tea and eat fruit straight from our fridge.  The fridge is used because it is effective at slowing enzymes to a minimum.  We hope to get the maximum from our pancreas but instead we feed it with cold foods that would require it to work overtime.  So like the idea to chew all food until a liquid consistency is made - before swallowing, eat/drink all raw food/juices at room temperature or slightly WARMER.

John
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 4:53pm; Reply: 12
John,
That reminds me of my months in India.  The westerners would try to drink iced beverages and ate cold food all the time to help them deal with the constant heat.  They had constant digestive problems.

The natives drank hot chai and ate hot foods, sipped hot soups and sweated a lot.  Also their digestive systems worked well even in the heat.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 5:01pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Elizabeth
I'm pretty compliant, have grown more so over the years.  I suppose I eat about 1t. of some avoid every other day, but the vast bulk of what I eat is made up of bennies.  (For example, someone offers me a potato chip.  I eat it.  I don't buy them, and don't eat them in volume.  No more potato for a month.)  The avoids I eat are occasional tomatoes in summer; one or two ears of corn per summer month;  the gums in goat milk ice cream, rarely; an occasional piece of potato, maybe 1/2 potato per month; a piece of bacon (yes, I know, bacon) maybe six times a year; a glass or so of black, unsweetened iced tea fairly often in the summer (twice a week), but otherwise all green tea.  These all represent "out of the home" situations except the tomatoes and ice cream.  That's all that comes to mind.  Otherwise, it's all whole foods, and mostly beneficials.  There may be a little bad stuff (corn based whatsis or whatever) in the things I take (OTC enzymes, etc.,)  or restaurant surprises, but that would be it.  I eat 7-9 fruits and vegetables a day, etc.  I have taken quercitin, and plan to take more now.


Elizabeth,
This does not sound like very many avoids for a secretor who is very healthy.  
However.....I want to strongly encourage you to look at each of these avoids as poisons for someone like yourself who is dealing with a health challenge.  It's wonderful news that it is not pancreatitis!  At any rate, you still have some healing to do, and I hope you will still stick with your determination to hang close to beneficials.  It made all the difference for me when my health was unraveling a few years ago.  Neutrals are good nutritional variety, but Beneficials are like magic.  I've been amazed what an impact they have had on my body's ability to heal and rejuvenate!  Consistency is the key.

I think you're on the right track with the raw beneficial juices.  I use an Omega 3 Juicer daily, and drink it the same day.  Especially with the VitaMix, which is high speed and slightly heats the juice, I think it's important to drink it immediately so that the enzymes are still intact.  It's a great opportunity to eat beneficials that you might not otherwise eat.

Happy healing to you!!   :K)
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