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Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:14pm
I want to hear from those of you who may have had your gallbladder removed....I am thinking of having it done ....the laparoscopic way ...I do not trust the flush for myself, as I have had some bad pains , etc. ...I think those who do the flush may be  in better shape....
If you have had yours out....what is the result? I have heard some people have diarrhea for quite awhile after. Can you eat fats with no problem or do you have to restrict fats? How does your digestion feel?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:21pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from jayney-O
I want to hear from those of you who may have had your gallbladder removed....I am thinking of having it done ....the laparoscopic way ...I do not trust the flush for myself, as I have had some bad pains , etc. ...I think those who do the flush may be  in better shape....
If you have had yours out....what is the result? I have heard some people have diarrhea for quite awhile after. Can you eat fats with no problem or do you have to restrict fats? How does your digestion feel?

Jayney, my mom is an 82-year-old Type A who eats all wrong for her type, and she continues to do so even though she had her gallbladder out a few years ago.  I had read that some people cannot tolerate/process fats very well once they have no gallbladder, but apparently that is a very small minority of folks.  The doctor didn't even give her any kind of dietary instructions after the surgery.  She had it done via laparoscopy, too.  Her recovery was very quick and, again, she eats just as abominably as ever *lol*!  So don't worry, if you do opt for the surgery, you will most likely be able to eat just as you do now, especially since you already follow a very optimal diet.  Do check with your doctor about it all, though.  And, all that said, I would try for non-surgical alternatives first, if possible.  But if you do opt for surgery, and your experience is anything like my mom's, it will be a piece of cake.
:K)

Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:27pm; Reply: 2
interesting that the doc didn;t give her any specific instr......that's why I'm going to you guys! Thanks, P.T.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:32pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from jayney-O
interesting that the doc didn;t give her any specific instr......that's why I'm going to you guys! Thanks, P.T.

I thought so, too.  I said, he didn't tell you to restrict fats or anything?  Nope, nothing.  She reverted to her wanton ways in no time.  The woman, bless her pea-pickin' heart, lives on processed foods (like hot dogs and instant mashed potatoes) and fat.  Well, mainly, anyway.  I've tried to get her to cross over to the A diet from the dark side, but no dice.  In fact, I think if I begin a sentence with "You know, Dr. D. says..." one more time, my life could be in serious peril.

Anyway, her previous doctor in Maryland had expressed doubts that they could go in laparascopically, due to her weight.  However, the doctors here said no prob when she flared up and out it came (her gallbladder, that is).  Everything went smoothly and she's probably eating hot dogs as we speak!
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 2:21am; Reply: 4
Victoria has said she gets really good results from Chanca Piedra

I also can recommend the Gold Coin Grass from SensibleHealth.com.

If you don't want to try a flush, at least at this time, I would try one of the above products before you consider having your gallbladder removed.
Posted by: northstar, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 3:54am; Reply: 5
Hello everyone.

I had my gall bladder removed a few years ago. My body easily gets infections and when that happens quite a bit of water pools. Well, it was not long I started getting infections in my gall bladder. After several tests my doctors said I had stones and I should have the organ removed. You see, if you get a major infection, sometimes emergency surgery is required. When that happens the doctors cut you from front to back (or the other way around). Anyway, not a pretty sight. I keloid (scar easily), so it was recommended I have it removed. This was a simple procedure, only three small holes and the gallbadder was removed. Felt fine the next day, no nausea or anything. The doctors gave me the stones to keep.

Well, though the doctors say there are no side effects, I started to have problems with bowel movements, mainly I often got constipated. For about two years I had to use herbal teas, etc. My stomache became more sensitive and some antibiotics would bring on nausea. I later went to a Chinese doctor and he was shocked I had my gall bladder removed. He said it is an important organ and affects the balance of the whole body. I was advised to stay away from meat.

Well, all of this is before I knew about the Blood Type Diet. All surgery is traumatic. The body will need plenty of time to heal. And there will be scars, outside and in the body. As you get older, they pull and in severe cases cause pain, affect posture, etc. I made the decision to go ahead with the surger at the time because I did not want to risk having emergency surgery in case I got another infection. If I had to make the decision again, I would take juices, medication or herbs to flush the stones out.
Avoid the surgery if you can.

All that said and done, I do feel much better on the Blood Type Diet. I could eat the other foods, but did not feel good. Now, I have much more energy! ;D

Posted by: Olerica, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 4:57pm; Reply: 6
My hubby had his removed in his early/mid 20's (about 10 years ago).  His advise is to not have the surgery if you can avoid it.  Do a flush or 20 to see if you can get your body to do what it should.  

Ok, so read that he had a HORRIBLE time with his surgery.  He had the laproscopic. He was not given any nutritional advise and had bouts of constipation and diareha.  Since doing the BTD, he's had much better luck, but he still struggles.   The affects of the surgery made him quite depressed and affected his thoughts on living.  He never, ever wants to have any sort of surgery again.  I'm not saying that this will be you, but...

I wonder what Dr.D would say?


Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 5:55pm; Reply: 7
Thanks, everyone, this is valuable info........you see, my friend has gallbladder cancer and is terminal.....and this has made me wonder if he had had it out if this would be happening. (His doc thinks it was stones that started the trouble). However I am pretty sure he is an AB or a B. His daughter is AB. He doesn't know his type, but oddly he has never eaten chicken since childhood. Doesn't like it. (Loves pork) Hmmmmm. AB is the type most inclined to get gallbladder cancer, my type the least. (O).....soooo, still contemplating the matter.
PS my sick friend would not have anything to do with "health food", let alone the BTD, but he is receiving very loving care from his wife and hospice...all we can do now, bless his heart.
Posted by: Whimsical, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 5:58pm; Reply: 8
Hi jayney,

I want to preface this by saying that I do not want to come off overly critical or blunt, but my first reaction upon reading your post was incredulity.  You are willing to remove an ORGAN from your body (that is there for complex and important reasons), rather than try a flush?  OK, now on to the part where my post is helpful (hopefully!)...

My first suggestion is to see an ND or other natural health practitioner.  If you have someone who isn't proving useful for this situation, find someone else.  This forum and other resources that I will discuss below are great, but only a practitioner can truly understand your unique situation and advise you with training and knowledge to back them up.

I have a healthy gall bladder, so I cannot relate personally.  A friend of mine from my old work was in a position where he was recommended to have his gallbladder removed.  This disturbed him so much that he decided to try anything and everything else before resorting to that.  He worked extensively from the information at Julia Chang's website, which is also where Heidi's recommended flush comes from.  I don't know how long he worked on this issue (probably years), but he still has a healthy, functioning gallbladder and I know that he is glad he took the longer, harder, but ultimately healthier (at least for him) road.  

I'm not an advocate of that flush for everyone or even for myself necessarily.  I did it several times in past years to clear my system in order to start healing my digestion.  At that time it was helpful, however it is a bit more invasive than I think necessary for a healthy person, so I don't need it anymore.  Don't get me wrong, the flush is fairly easy to do (all ingredients are foods, which is more than I can say for many other commercial flush products), and gets easier as your system clears out, but I just don't FEEL that need for it like I used to.  All the stuff on Julia's website, however, is DESIGNED for people in situations like yours.  

In addition to Julia's website (you can phone her and talk to her one on one, BTW), there is lots of info on the gallbladder flush in Heidi's column and on this forum (here's one thread).  

Obviously there are circumstances in which it would be appropriate to have the surgery (eg: emergency), but it sounds to me like you are dedicating serious thought and meditation on this, so continue on that road because you can always stop and have it out if you choose.

Good luck!  I'm rooting for your gallbladder!  ;)
Posted by: Whimsical, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 6:05pm; Reply: 9
Oh wow, jayney, I just posted and then read your last post which definitely clarifies for me so well how you are feeling and why this option might be attractive to you...  

Your issue has just unleashed so much thought in my brain that I had to continue rambling or else I won't be able to start studying for my Organic Chemistry final...  Please bear with me!

Everyone has their unique health "hang up" I think - yours (at least one of them) is your gallbladder.  Rather than "cut it out" (thereby not actually addressing the underlying issues), take this as an opportunity for personal growth and learning.  

As you can probably tell, I believe strongly in body/mind/emotion/spirit interconnectedness and this has served me so well.  Your physical challenges are related to your life, to you, to your soul, and I don't really know that removing one of the symptoms will really solve the problem in the long-run.  

I will use myself as an example - one of my "problem areas" is my liver.  In TCM the liver is associated with anger.  One of the many approaches (which included supplements, diet, exercise, flushes, etc) I took to heal my liver was to deal with my anger.  It's not like I'm this angry person who walks around all day in a rage.  Anger was (and still is to some extent) my "gut" (no pun intended) reaction to obstacles in life.  When things go wrong or I am hurt or whatever, my common reaction is anger, because it is more self-protective than sadness or fear, etc.  Believe it or not (I'm not sure what people's perception of me is on this forum), a lot of my energy is spent in self-protection because I am at my heart, quite sensitive and easily affected.  Anyway, that is a whole other story and brings in astrology, upbringing, etc...

Without doing a complete psychoanalysis on myself here, I am not good at holding onto anger emotionally - I forgive easily and I give in easily to those I love.  But I also need to protect myself.  Because of this, I think I learned to hold onto the anger physically instead.  Yes, there are times when it is useful (maybe not productive) to hold onto anger - it can help strengthen you against people who try to take advantage, or at least help you feel stronger.  So, I just found another way to do it that was easier for me.  And it is one of the major roots of my (albeit not major) health issues.  None of my liver/anger related issues would ever have been improved if I had continued on the path I was on, which was prescription medications and denial.  In fact, they would have become worse and potentially much more serious later in my life.  I don't know why your friend has cancer - that is unique to his situation.  However, his situation is not yours and there is way more to health than only BTD.  

This is a wonderful opportunity for you to face a challenge and grow (no matter what option you choose).  Please update us on your situation!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 7:01pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from northstar27
Hello everyone.

I had my gall bladder removed a few years ago. My body easily gets infections and when that happens quite a bit of water pools. Well, it was not long I started getting infections in my gall bladder. After several tests my doctors said I had stones and I should have the organ removed. You see, if you get a major infection, sometimes emergency surgery is required. When that happens the doctors cut you from front to back (or the other way around). Anyway, not a pretty sight. I keloid (scar easily), so it was recommended I have it removed. This was a simple procedure, only three small holes and the gallbadder was removed. Felt fine the next day, no nausea or anything. The doctors gave me the stones to keep.

Well, though the doctors say there are no side effects, I started to have problems with bowel movements, mainly I often got constipated. For about two years I had to use herbal teas, etc. My stomache became more sensitive and some antibiotics would bring on nausea. I later went to a Chinese doctor and he was shocked I had my gall bladder removed. He said it is an important organ and affects the balance of the whole body. I was advised to stay away from meat.

Well, all of this is before I knew about the Blood Type Diet. All surgery is traumatic. The body will need plenty of time to heal. And there will be scars, outside and in the body. As you get older, they pull and in severe cases cause pain, affect posture, etc. I made the decision to go ahead with the surger at the time because I did not want to risk having emergency surgery in case I got another infection. If I had to make the decision again, I would take juices, medication or herbs to flush the stones out.
Avoid the surgery if you can.

All that said and done, I do feel much better on the Blood Type Diet. I could eat the other foods, but did not feel good. Now, I have much more energy! ;D


Interesting!  My mom suffers from constipation now!  I thought it was from the Wellbutrin she takes for depression, but maybe it is from the removal of the gallbladder.  I will bring this up to her, thanks, Northstar.  Also, you make a crucial point about all organs being important and all surgery being invasive.  I didn't mean to sound like "it's nothing" in my post, I just wanted to reassure Jayney that my mom bounced back very well, even in her 80's.  However, I would add, and should have emphasized in my earlier post, that I'd avoid it and any surgery if I could.  I had surgery at age 15 that was supposed to be "minor" and it has profoundly affected my entire life.  While I definitely feel that gallbladder surgery is likely to be routine in the vast majority of cases and that the person will be able to heal and be fine, I also feel it is best to avoid any surgery if there is an alternative way to return to health.  I mean, my mom recovered well from the gallbladder surgery, but perhaps her constipation issues now are from the lack of a gallbladder?  Very interesting.

My message to Jayney would be:  if you need the surgery, don't be afraid, as you will most likely recover quickly and be fine.  Yet do avoid it if possible, as northstar is right, all organs are important and also there could be some side affects, though I think that if my mom ate better and exercised at all, she might not have the constipation issue she has.  For one thing, she eats HUGE portions, and I don't think that is advisable once you don't have a gallbladder.  I think small portions more frequently are the way to go in that sitch.  Heck, I have a gallbladder and I'm trying to go that route.
:K)

Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 8:33pm; Reply: 11
whimsical, I deeply appreciate your kind, caring response. I agree wholeheartedly that one's organs are there for a reason. Apparently my gallbladder is full of stones, not an unusual condition, but hey, how can it do its job, I wonder? Which is to store bile and shoot it out at the right moment? My doc said if it was her she would have it out while she was still young and healthy. (meaning if she had stones) Rather thanwait until she is in her 80's as that is not a good time to have surgeries if one can avoid it, P.T.'s mom notwithstanding!
However, your comments have made me think.....and Modon's as well. Tho' many professionals say that the flush is not really flushing out stones, just  lumps of oil and minerals, who really knows? Andrew Weil says don't do a flush if you have stones, it could create problems. Doing one when you don't have stones, or aren't sure , is different. Mine have been verified by ultrasound. Stones can get in the wrong duct and mess up pancreatic function.   Ayyy yi yi! I'm soundin g a bit frantic, which is not how I feel. I am touched by the responses from you all, Olerica, Modon, Peppermint T., northernstar, whimsical, etc. Thanks and I'll keep checking this site.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 11:35pm; Reply: 12
Jayney,
I don't enjoy the flushes, personally.  I tried it once and felt that I would rather try other means of cleaning out my gall bladder.  I will say, though.....I would exhaust all options before I would choose surgery for anything.  I consider surgery a last resort.  Then if nothing else works, I'm glad that surgery exists!  :-)

Click here for a link to the herb that Don mentioned.  I used to have a lot of gall bladder pain, and felt ill and nauseous frequently.  I have had very good results with it.  I have not even finished one bottle, and I feel so much better, I have been forgetting to take it.  I accompanied its use with 100% compliancy to the BTD, and also tried to follow the amounts and frequency guidelines in LY4YT also.  Chanca Piedra dissolves stones so that they can be eliminated safely.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Thursday, June 29, 2006, 7:05pm; Reply: 13
Victoria, I have read about this on this site but now I am ready to try it! With appreciation, jayney-0
Posted by: 1227 (Guest), Thursday, June 29, 2006, 8:38pm; Reply: 14
I had mine out via conventional surgery some years ago and suffered no ill effects since other than the incision site stayed numb for some time (the feeling came back) and I get indigestion a little more easily than I did previously. Otherwise, I'm glad it's gone. I had stones and the pain was worse than labor.

gallstones run in our family on both sides, through all four blood types and wide variance in diet and lifestyle.

I have no problem having a diseased organ removed. My mom and sis had the laparscopy done and had no aftereffects whatsoever.

There are some good pros and cons here. Glad you've had so many responses. Best of luck and best of health!!
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Thursday, June 29, 2006, 8:57pm; Reply: 15
thanks, Willow!
Posted by: macawluver, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 6:01pm; Reply: 16
I had mine removed 2.5 years ago shortly after the birth of my daughter. I have had no symptoms (constipation, diarreah, etc) whatsoever from having it removed. I guess everyone is different in how they react to this sort of thing.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Thursday, July 13, 2006, 10:02pm; Reply: 17
Thanks, macawluver.....I'll keep ya posted.
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