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Posted by: njdiva1 (Guest), Thursday, June 22, 2006, 6:24pm
I just read a few references to Kombucha. After a short google, I think I understand Kombucha as being a slightly fermented tea of unknown origin. What's the scoop, is it dangerous and where do you find it? Is it really worth adding to my diet? Thanks for any input.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 22, 2006, 7:07pm; Reply: 1
here s Heidi s take on this:
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About kambucha, (also "kampucha" or "kombucha") I haven't a clue. We have no similar listing for this substance. For those of you unfamiliar with the name, it is the 'manchurian tea mushroom' ~ not an actual mushroom as we understand it, but rather a colony of yeast and bacteria. Kind of like the "tea" version of sourdough starter. It appears to create a kind of acidic, laxative and possibly probiotic substance in the two weeks it sits in the tea, but we haven't tested it and can't comment as to the benefits or detriments of drinking it. What I do know is that kombucha tea may have any of several ingredients including sweetened black tea (traditional) ~ black tea is an avoid for everyone except B secretors and A nonsecretors, even with the tea fungus added to it. Other than that, I guess it will have to be considered "neutral unless you've got health complaints!" just like nearly all of our other "unknowns."
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, June 22, 2006, 7:45pm; Reply: 2
Some feel it's an avoid for Type O's.  Some feel it's okay.  At this point, I feel it is an unknown.  

The question would be: Do O's do well on fermented items?
Posted by: njdiva1 (Guest), Thursday, June 22, 2006, 8:01pm; Reply: 3
Thanks. I've heard all I need to hear.
Posted by: northstar, Friday, June 23, 2006, 1:46am; Reply: 4
Kombucha can be easily bought where I live, Tokyo, Japan. It is made from dried seaweed that has been salted. You just add hot water or hot green tea. For extra flavoring you can add umeboshi (dried sour plum). This type of tea also comes in powder form and it is quite good in seafood spaghetti, but use it sparingly.
I like to drink this in winter. It heats up the body.
Kombucha is considered quite healthy and is full of minerals.
By the way, I have not seen any kombucha that is fermented. Perhaps this is a special brand you are referring to.
Hope this helps.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, June 23, 2006, 1:55am; Reply: 5
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I have not seen any kombucha that is fermented. Perhaps this is a special brand you are referring to.


Yes!  This is a special brand, called "Synergy" (not sure about the correct spelling), that is "home brewed" fermented for 30 days and has a 5% alcohol content.  Whole Foods here in the states features it in several flavors, one of them is blueberry.

Interesting that the kombucha in Japan is made from/with seaweed!  Do you happen to know what type of seaweed?

"off ~ topic"  If you are in Japan, would you consider adding yourself to the BTD Frappr map?
Posted by: northernstars, Friday, June 23, 2006, 3:31am; Reply: 6
I made and drank kombucha every day for about 3 years or so.  It got rid of my incredibly severe asthma (I was taking 6 prescriptions a day for asthma) within the first week and I remained asthma free for nearly 10 years.  The next time I got a mushroom to make tea with, it just didn't do the job.  So, my tahintian noni worked well when I drank a couple ounces at night.  A couple months ago I used EFT and that seems to have gotten rid of the asthma, now, hopefully permanently.

I don't know whether or not it is an acceptable drink for O's, but I do credit it with saving my life.  The transformation was so dramtic that my pharmacist started drinking it, too.  She later told me that everytime they saw me they were surprised because my asthma was so severe they didn't expect me to survive.  I still thank my husband's friend that offered it to me and that I had the wisdom to research it and try it.  It did save my life.
Posted by: italybound, Friday, June 23, 2006, 3:44am; Reply: 7
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I made and drank kombucha every day for about 3 years or so.  It got rid of my incredibly severe asthma (I was taking 6 prescriptions a day for asthma) within the first week and I remained asthma free for nearly 10 years.  The next time I got a mushroom to make tea with, it just didn't do the job.  So, my tahintian noni worked well when I drank a couple ounces at night.  A couple months ago I used EFT and that seems to have gotten rid of the asthma, now, hopefully permanently.

I don't know whether or not it is an acceptable drink for O's, but I do credit it with saving my life.  The transformation was so dramtic that my pharmacist started drinking it, too.  She later told me that everytime they saw me they were surprised because my asthma was so severe they didn't expect me to survive.  I still thank my husband's friend that offered it to me and that I had the wisdom to research it and try it.  It did save my life.



Wow, northernstar, what a story!!!  Glad things worked out so well for you and that when the kombucha didn't work, you found something else which did. '
I tried this same tea at WF that someone mentioned. Yuk!!!  It bothered me right away. Made my throat feel awful. I took it back. Everyone is different, that's why it's considered a neutral if not tested, I guess. :-)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, June 23, 2006, 5:14am; Reply: 8
It sounds like non-fermented kombucha might be okay.  

That's a great story northernstars.  Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: italybound, Friday, June 23, 2006, 1:47pm; Reply: 9
I know the kombucha I tried was fermented. It stated it right on the bottle and mentioned the alcohol content. I was really disappointed that I couldn't tolerate it, as it sounds like it would be good for you.  But who knows what testing might reveal......
Posted by: northernstars, Friday, June 23, 2006, 7:29pm; Reply: 10
I truly believe that the kombucha helped  my body's ph.  The kombucha was quite vinegary and vinegar doesn't harbor bad stuff like germs, viruses, etc., so I was willing to try it.  I really think it got my ph back in balance.  That might have been the key componenet.  That was one of the main points I found while doing the research.  Maybe there are other, more BTD friendly ways of adjusting the ph balance.  At the time I was suffering with the asthma, I had no knowledge of what might have gone wrong to produce the asthma.

So, if our internal ph is way off, doesn't that precipitate many of the ailments and diseases we encounter?  Just a thought.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, June 23, 2006, 7:33pm; Reply: 11
I would agree that an imbalance in ph can be an indicatior of ill health.  Understand that different organs, bodily systems will naturally have a different ph. (from my understanding)

I know that Dr. D has said that sometimes, and Avoid can be a beneficial in someone dealing with a health issue.  That the benefits of the particular food, outweigh it's negatives in those instances.
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, June 24, 2006, 4:31am; Reply: 12
Quoted from KimonoKat
I know that Dr. D has said that sometimes, and Avoid can be a beneficial in someone dealing with a health issue.  That the benefits of the particular food, outweigh it's negatives in those instances.


An avoid could become a beneficial in someone dealing w/ a health issue?????????????? How could this be?
I agree w/ KK, that a ph imbalance  can be an idicator of ill health. One of the very first things they do in an ER is check your blood ph.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Saturday, June 24, 2006, 5:28am; Reply: 13
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An avoid could become a beneficial in someone dealing w/ a health issue?????????????? How could this be?


I'm pretty certain he's said it. And, I believe (one or two of) the health series books reflect that.  I know that in there, somewheres there are a few foods, and I mean, a few that change value to a benificial.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Saturday, June 24, 2006, 6:01am; Reply: 14
Okay, I looked through the Cancer book, (where I thought the info was) and I couldn't find anything.

I still have to look through the Cardiovascular and Diabetes books.  I don't think I'm hallucinating.  I do remember....big sigh that I can't find a quote or reference though.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, June 24, 2006, 5:52pm; Reply: 15
I'm not sure about that big a jump in classification, but it's true that something can be beneficial in dealing with a specific health issue, and be neutral in regular circumstances.

But, KK, you could still be right.  It seems like I have heard of a few rare instances also.
Posted by: northernstars, Saturday, June 24, 2006, 6:28pm; Reply: 16
One example is the common mushroom.  It is an avoid for an O except when dealing with (I believe) cancer.  Then it becomes beneficial.  I don't have my book handy right now, but was interested to see the change.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 24, 2006, 11:35pm; Reply: 17
Domestic mushrooms change dramatically, from
avoid in LR4YT to superbeneficial
in the Cancer book.  These changes are all for Type O.  The cancer food
classifications are the most unique.  Dr.
D'Adamo explained that aberrant
expression of lectins in cancer cells is the reason for this.
.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, June 25, 2006, 12:13am; Reply: 18
Thanks Lola!  I knew I had heard that something had changed....I kept thinking it was for either diabetes or cancer.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 25, 2006, 12:18am; Reply: 19
;)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 25, 2006, 3:14am; Reply: 20
KK, aren't you glad you aren't hallucinating?  ;) :K)
Posted by: northstar, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 6:35am; Reply: 21
Thanks for the tip, Sun Beh Nim. I am now registered with BTD Frapper.

Kombu cha is a Japanese word. The translation for "kombu" is kelp. And that is definitely seaweed! "Cha" means tea.

I have no idea what the rest of you are drinking. Either the product is mislabeled, a completely different product, or..... ??)

The kombu cha I drink is mild and you can make it stronger by adding more kombu pieces or powder. It is healthy and any of you who are allowed seaweed but do not wish to eat it this is a wonderful substitute. I am not sure I would drink the other. I recommend you go to a Japanese food market and try what I am describing to you.
I know of noone having side effects. If you are allergic to iodine or take too much, there may be a reaction. Otherwise, enjoy! :)
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 6:12pm; Reply: 22
northstar,
I believe the Kombucha in the states is a different thing altogether.  It is a cultured drink made from some kind of tea, some kind of sweetener, and a live micro-organism that ferments over a couple of weeks.
Posted by: northstar, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 1:25am; Reply: 23

Yes, they must be two different products. But how confusing! >:(
I think the manchurian tea mushroom thing should not be named kombucha, but rather something else.

Personally, I would be wary of anything that has been fermented and has a fairly long shelf life. Mold (not the kind you see) could be a problem. It is pretty nasty if you get to much mold in the body.

Anyway, just a thought.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 5:18am; Reply: 24
Quoted from northstar27

Yes, they must be two different products. But how confusing! >:(
I think the manchurian tea mushroom thing should not be named kombucha, but rather something else.

Personally, I would be wary of anything that has been fermented and has a fairly long shelf life. Mold (not the kind you see) could be a problem. It is pretty nasty if you get to much mold in the body.

Anyway, just a thought.


And Manchurian mushroom tea is not even made from a mushroom.  It's a bacterial culture.  It makes me very nervous, and I have a family member who is really into drinking and making it.   :-/
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 12:00pm; Reply: 25
The Kombucha drink I had tasted moldy. I returned it the same day.  :'(
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 5:08pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from pkarmeier
The Kombucha drink I had tasted moldy. I returned it the same day.  :'(


If you've ever seen it being made, you'll know why it tasts moldy.  There is growing on the surface, a big, hard slab of slimy growth.   :X  It is living micro-organisms.  It gets bigger and thicker and then finishes growing and digesting the sugars in the brew.   Then you remove it and drink the liquid.  

No, actually, I'm being a bit judgemental (in an only partly serious way)   ;)
It should not taste moldy.  It does taste a bit like vinegar, a bit alcoholic and a little fermented.  Sometimes it will be a bit carbonated.  

(can't stand the stuff)  But many of my friends (and family) swear by it.  I'm afraid the acidity will leach the calcium out of teeth.  Also afraid of wild bacteria strains getting started in the brew and establishing themselves in the gut.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 6:12pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Victoria
 I'm afraid the acidity will leach the calcium out of teeth.  Also afraid of wild bacteria strains getting started in the brew and establishing themselves in the gut.


What I had tasted like one should be afraid of it.  ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 10:37pm; Reply: 28
It looks that way too, Pat!  When I see those "batches" brewing in a corner of my livingroom, behind the t.v., growing bigger and bigger, I feel like something is going to crawl out of those jars and eat the city I live in.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 10:50pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Victoria
When I see those "batches" brewing in a corner of my livingroom, behind the t.v., growing bigger and bigger, I feel like something is going to crawl out of those jars and eat the city I live in.


Are you making this stuff or was that a joke? In theory, it sounds like it should be great for ya, but ewwwww.........couldn't get past that taste  :-/
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 11:01pm; Reply: 30
NO I'm not making this stuff!!

But one of my family members is really into it, and making it.  I watch the process.  I tasted it.  I tried it 15 years ago also, when it first hit town.  I felt the same way about it then as I do now.  There is absolutely no attraction.
Posted by: italybound, Friday, June 30, 2006, 12:13am; Reply: 31
OOOhhhhhh, lucky you.............  :-/
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