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Posted by: The Pen, Monday, May 15, 2006, 6:34pm
Hi, as non secretor I always (since the age of 14) had trouble to loose weight. With Dr. Atkins diat I lost a lot of kilos to 67 kilos in the age of 19 ( from eighty kilos when I was 14) . When I stopped living after that diat, I gained weight and now in the age of 46 my weight is 101 kilos. I'm 1,86 meter high . I don't know what size it is in english and how many stones I have, but it's simply too much . I think it's my non secretor which keeps me away from loosing weight. I recognize that Harmonie (D'Adamos stuff) helps me very well. I reduce carbs I 'am drinking two lemon at night after 22: 00 and so on. Well I think I'am doing a lot of things to loose weight but without very much sucsess. (I hate practising sports a lot of ). I take my bice and  dog for twenty minutes a day. That's it.   Do You have other suggestions to loose weight ? ??)
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, May 15, 2006, 7:41pm; Reply: 1
Drink...drink...drink lots of water and teas (compliant).  Ask Isa.  She has been my coach for the past two weeks.  :) :)

Debra :)
Posted by: italybound, Monday, May 15, 2006, 7:52pm; Reply: 2
Also check out the adrenal info here:
http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

Could be part of the problem. I and another BTD'er here have determined this is our problem. Soon to be fixed. :-)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, May 15, 2006, 9:09pm; Reply: 3
na schon wieder ich...gell..... also half of mine.... go ahead on carbs; have an ::) into and onto the nonnie's receipes and stop cheating and no sugars if possible. As missa de bra.....told it...drink enough so far your ana-and meta and whatelse of bolismas ::) ;) might work at their very best :D (dance)
und wenn Du magst, komm mal bei mir vorbeigebröselt...dann mache ich mit Dir den Test und wir sehen eher und genauer woran es (noch) ;) hapern könnte :D

best regards truly yours Tomatilla I. genannt redhead Isa ;) :D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 12:10am; Reply: 4
I believe type A nonnies may have certain insulin resistance issues, when overweight.

here s something Dr D advised an overweight A non secretor with insulin resistance issues once:
Quoted Text
It looks pretty much like high fiber, low-glycemic carbs, eggs and oily ocean fish. Other oils can be bumped up a bit also. Get some in, but take it easy on the soy.

'Liver work' will also help. Personally, I think non-secretors have problems controlling lipid peroxidation in their bile ducts. This may be because of some alteration to their 'reticuloendothelial' system (the white blood cells in the liver) to compensate for their lack of adequate Secretory IgA, a phenomenon producing what is often simplistically referred to as 'leaky gut syndrome.'

Maybe you should do a castor oil pack every now and then.
Wear a yellow T-shirt.


does any of this 'ring a bell'?
might be worth looking into.

definately try and get the diabetes book, to follow the food lists there.
Posted by: The Pen, Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 11:11am; Reply: 5
Thanks a lot for your tips. I'll try them and then report  my results.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 11:17am; Reply: 6
::) FdH  ;) :D input must be lower than output :D  or just different ???? ;) (dance)(clap)(smarty)(whistle)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)


dearle....;D I'll prescribe ya one month onto Agapi's cucina on Samos.....
completely BTD compatible.....awesome in its taste... hope you like fish, too :D
and then you might eat  = Oberlippe - Unterkante...- and you will loose your weight...
as I will be your guruji....have to follow my advices.. I am going to observe you de très
prets (means = you have to get me onto your back ;) :D )


hey gals... another month on Samos === yeeeeeeeehhhhhaaaaa ;D :D  :o 8) ;D ;D ;D












p.s. dooooogie.... take care I am coming........;) ;D :D (dance)(dance)(dance)(whistle)
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 3:07pm; Reply: 7
This may be a hard one but it works for me every time.  Don't eat after dinner.
Eat dinner at a normal time 5:30-6:30, then eat nothing.  Drink water, if you like, but don't eat.  
Posted by: lstreat, Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 7:10pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from mikendomsmum
This may be a hard one but it works for me every time.  Don't eat after dinner.
Eat dinner at a normal time 5:30-6:30, then eat nothing.  Drink water, if you like, but don't eat.  


I agree with you on this one. I try not to eat anything after 6:30 or 7pm if I'm running around with my 9 year old. It does work.
Posted by: resting, Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 8:38pm; Reply: 9
Hi Frank,

another thing to try:: rise from bed early ... then do the most strenuous physical work of the day ... THEN EAT ... this works for millions of farmers and fishermen ... worth a try!

John
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 8:40pm; Reply: 10
::) eh...that won't work with an A... and furthermore a no-no for nonnies...why because he'll get into a
hypoglyc....so far remember A's should prefere 5-6 little meals a day insted of 3 bigger-ones.....

great that I am an A2....... ahem B ;) :D  but must be honest...I prefere to have more little meals a day, so no hypoglyc. for me either :P ......
Posted by: 774 (Guest), Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 8:52pm; Reply: 11
Try drinking you lemon juice in the morning before breakfast. Try to eat more veggies and fruit and limit your grains. That is what is helping me tremendously with the weight loss, after I was on a plateau for a while.
Posted by: resting, Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 9:11pm; Reply: 12
strange Isa ...

you say it won't work for A's ... wonder if any farmers are A's? ... first learned of this 'trick' some years ago from an Australian biochemist.  It seems that there is a certain enzyme needed to digest any food ... if most of the heaviest work is done BEFORE even a bit of food is eaten, only the fat gets burned ... there is more than one way (several small meals) to control insulin spiking ....

John
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 11:06pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from frank_heyde
Hi, as non secretor I always (since the age of 14) had trouble to loose weight. With Dr. Atkins diat I lost a lot of kilos to 67 kilos in the age of 19 ( from eighty kilos when I was 14) . When I stopped living after that diat, I gained weight and now in the age of 46 my weight is 101 kilos. I'm 1,86 meter high . I don't know what size it is in english and how many stones I have, but it's simply too much . I think it's my non secretor which keeps me away from loosing weight. I recognize that Harmonie (D'Adamos stuff) helps me very well. I reduce carbs I 'am drinking two lemon at night after 22: 00 and so on. Well I think I'am doing a lot of things to loose weight but without very much sucsess. (I hate practising sports a lot of ). I take my bice and  dog for twenty minutes a day. That's it.   Do You have other suggestions to loose weight ? ??)


To translate your height and weight to English units you weigh around 222 lbs and are approximately 6 feet 1 and a quarter inches tall. Your BMI or body mass index is 29.2, which means that you are not technically obese but above the upper range of 24.9. Keep in mind though that BMI does NOT take into account actual body fat percentage which is more important. You may be more medium or large framed with a heavily muscled build, in which BMI might not be an accurate indication of what is considered a healthy weight for your height and build.  Assuming that you are more slim or medium framed then you would have to weigh no more than 86 kg or 189 pounds in English to have a BMI of 24.9.

Since you did well weight loss wise with Atkins, I would suggest that you avoid white floured products as well as processed foods. Eat as many unprocessed and natural foods as possible, concentrating on lean proteins, egg, fish, poultry, fesh vegs and fruits and minimal dairy and breads/grains.

Aerobic exercise will also help to pull off the extra weight including excess fat and water weight. Anything that significantly raises the heart rate for a sustained amount of time will help with weight loss. Adequate sleep helps too. If the standard fails to move any weight then you might want to consider having your thyroid and adrenals checked out thoroughly.
Posted by: Connect, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 12:16am; Reply: 14
I have to agree with the not eating after dinner thing.  I find that when I lose weight, it is typically because I do not eat after around 7pm.  I've tried a myriad of ways of losing a few pounds, and this seems to be the one that most consistently works....
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 12:17am; Reply: 15
interesting question and Dr D s answer to an A:
carb loading before exercise to lower cortisol levels......
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=66279
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, May 18, 2006, 8:02am; Reply: 16
:D ;D grazie Lola
and I agree with you John, there are many ways to Rome ;D :D ....what I saw in my daily praxis is,
that allmost O's are fine with 3 bigger meals a day and mustn't snack...but A's and AB's are very different here, for maintaining the sugarbalances...better
Posted by: The Pen, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 11:15am; Reply: 17
Thanks very much everybody. I think it over. The only  thing with aerobic practice is (I'm not hard enough with myself)  I realy don't like it. But never mind. I think I'll try the adrenalin tip  that seems to fit. I'll continue to  stop taking to many carb and I'll get the L-glutamine, L-thyrosine and DHEA . Today in the morning I had a little sucsess it's now 99,1 kg nearly two kilos gone (Iknow first you will loose lot's of water ) The way just began. My bloodpressure is going down I think that this is more important for  me than loosing weight . I'll be back reporting
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, May 18, 2006, 12:24pm; Reply: 18
::) (dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(whistle)(sunny)(sunny) :D ;D :o ;) :K)



             suupppaaa
Posted by: Don, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 2:48pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from frank_heyde
I think I'll try the adrenalin tip that seems to fit. I'll continue to  stop taking to many carb and I'll get the L-glutamine, L-thyrosine and DHEA.


Quoted from Dr. D.
l-Glutamine should be avoided by type A and B
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive5/config.pl?read=9035
Glutamine raises cortisol levels, which can be a problem if you are types A or B and under a lot of stress.

So be extra careful to manage your stress while using glutamine.

You may want to try some adrenal adaptogens first, as recommended in LR4YT, before trying to use a hormone like DHEA.

What is the adrenalin tip that you are referring to?
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, May 18, 2006, 5:28pm; Reply: 20
::) ahaaaaaaaa MoDon thatswhy I felt alltimes a little dizzy when I tried to take L'glutamine..... but massr Dr. D. recommended it for or better against some sweet tooth...eeth....

ok-ok better on L'Arginin....also for adrenal fatigue ::) :D
Posted by: Don, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 5:33pm; Reply: 21
Since type AB is more similar to type O in regards to stress hormones (cortisol and adrenaline) I would think that glutamine would be OK for you.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 7:25pm; Reply: 22
hormones DHEA_
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=66750


the whole thread is actually very interesting....
.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 12:10pm; Reply: 23
so that means no DHEA for all kind of A's...dito nothing to be expected for AB's??)  But if our stress-response is more likely O's we might have it...I guess for the AB-males ?
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Sunday, May 28, 2006, 5:38am; Reply: 24
Don & Lola -- This thread came up on a search for DHEA, and I'm so glad!

My nutritionist recently recommended that I take DHEA, but I half-remembered the gal at the local HFS recommending against it, and now I see why.  Funny thing is, my nutritionist has had me on Glutamine since last July, which may explain why I now "need" the DHEA.  She has been extremely helpful on the whole, but I guess all health-care practitioners commit their share of iatrogenesis!

So -- scratch the glutamine and never mind the DHEA.  We'll see how that goes.  At the very least I'll save money.

Thanks!
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Sunday, May 28, 2006, 8:50pm; Reply: 25
Also just noticed the link regarding A's need for pre-exercise carb-loading, from Lola's post #15.  I've noticed that when I go for a walk on a relatively empty stomach, I tend to get grouchy by the time we get back, but always figured that was low blood sugar.  Maybe a little of that plus a dose of cortisol -- not a happy recipe!
Posted by: Laura P, Sunday, May 28, 2006, 8:55pm; Reply: 26
Yes, I used to work out on an empty stomach or eating very little and it caused me many issues (worst than grouchy) this is very interesting indeed
Posted by: The Pen, Monday, May 29, 2006, 7:29am; Reply: 27
Well Idon't know if there is any difference to DHEA. But I take Wild Yams and feel quite o.k with it ! Seems to me as if there is no difference, only I have less appetite if I take it. (one capsule a day) but I still stuck on 98 kilos (better than 101 you're right) . Bye bye for now.
Posted by: Joyce, Monday, May 29, 2006, 9:05am; Reply: 28
Quoted from John_McDonell_O+
strange Isa ...

you say it won't work for A's ... wonder if any farmers are A's? ... first learned of this 'trick' some years ago from an Australian biochemist.  It seems that there is a certain enzyme needed to digest any food ... if most of the heaviest work is done BEFORE even a bit of food is eaten, only the fat gets burned ... there is more than one way (several small meals) to control insulin spiking ....

John


I thought A's were the agrarians ;)

Yes I have small farm and prefer to check on the animals before relaxing to eat, but any heavy work comes after food.

When I used to care for stabled horses I always had a bowl of bran flakes with milk [pre-BTD of course] before mucking out and then porridge when I came in.

However DH [A-ve secretor status unknown] has to have his 2 eggs and toast before venturing outside.

Joyce
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, May 29, 2006, 12:40pm; Reply: 29
yup...if not ::) :P :-/ I guess ;)
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Monday, May 29, 2006, 1:13pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from pkarmeier



Awesome links!!! have printed them for later use...
:)

Thanks a lot!!

Cocky 8)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, May 29, 2006, 3:14pm; Reply: 31
hey Cück....did ya remark that just this mentioning of massr Lam might be symptomatical for a h u g e bunchy of sickness??)....... this could be the pyramide of CFS,thyroide....trallalaa's intestinal whatsoevers ::) ;) :D ;D thatswhy...get your Vegatester and hopppàààà you'll get to know whats' really on...immediately ::) ;D :K)
Posted by: Don, Monday, May 29, 2006, 4:22pm; Reply: 32
I agree. Many health problems can result in similar symptoms.

I suspect that focusing to much on the adrenal glands in many cases is probably just like looking at the tip of the iceberg. In other words, it is a symptom not the cause of the problem. You may have to look beyond the obvious to find the cause of the problem.
Posted by: Laura P, Monday, May 29, 2006, 5:55pm; Reply: 33
Agreed, normally adrenal problems can be a result of food/enviromental allergies, liver, kidney, pancreas, in general poor immune functioning
Posted by: greenfields, Monday, July 10, 2006, 4:51am; Reply: 34
I thought there was something in the Diabetes book about eating a snack before bed being helpful in that instance. I remember this because when I have tried to not eat before bed, I don't sleep or sleep horribly and was happy to have found that reference.

That book really helped me to shed the pounds.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 10, 2006, 3:27pm; Reply: 35
can you give us some examples of the 'before bed snacks' you eat?
Posted by: 774 (Guest), Monday, July 10, 2006, 6:24pm; Reply: 36
I read somewhere in Dr. D's book that it is not so much important what you eat but when you eat. The advice is eat a good breakfast, a big lunch and a very small dinner. King, prince, pauper. I've been trying that for the past two weeks and the weight is coming off again. If for some reason I have to eat out at night, I don't loose any weight and sometimes even gain some for two days.

Perhaps an idea?
Posted by: The Pen, Monday, September 4, 2006, 7:42pm; Reply: 37
Well as You see I changed a little bit. Sometimes it's better to be unknown. You' ll understand.
Well returning to my Thread I have to tell You - I didn't lost a kilo I gained two and now horrible, horrible have 102. I always tell my klients : loosing weight is not difficult but what comes then ? It seem to me now. That I have to struggle further on. But never mind, thank's to bloodgroup diat I feel very healthy and fit. I think I have to quite the carbs but this is nearly impossible for me (at the moment).
Yust wanted to report bye bye for now.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 4, 2006, 7:44pm; Reply: 38
good for you! )
Posted by: The Pen, Monday, September 4, 2006, 8:15pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from lola
good for you! )


I'm sorry but I don't understand !  ::) ??)
Posted by: geminisue, Monday, September 4, 2006, 8:22pm; Reply: 40
Sandra- if the evening meal is a known- you can reduce maybe lunch (or skip a snack)

if unexpected evening out- eat your beneficials (low on starchy carbs) Heavy on Veggies
Light on Cheese and sauces and dressings.  Try to order first, because no one else's meal choices will help determine your own selection.

Most important- don't stress about it ( I think stress puts on weight) Enjoy your time out!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, September 4, 2006, 8:32pm; Reply: 41
massr L.P ;) whats' about a try of fastings??)  Or just juicing meals...instead of skipping...and why not try the algues like fucus or spirulina or chlorella or even both....and you know, if you are O around the same thoughts....it get fixed up in your mind...perhaps does it might be easier just to accept you as you are...don't give that much attention and see what will happen....sometimes we do need our shields ;) :K)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 4, 2006, 8:42pm; Reply: 42
Pen,
about your remark on how you ve changed and that it is better that way.......

well, good for you, then........
welcome back!
Posted by: The Pen, Tuesday, September 5, 2006, 9:41am; Reply: 43
@ Lola
Thank You for explaining !
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, September 5, 2006, 3:37pm; Reply: 44
;) gerne geschehen!
Posted by: The Pen, Tuesday, September 5, 2006, 6:27pm; Reply: 45
Now if we intend that I have an adrenal fatigue or a low thyroid funktion what is to do ? The trouble is I don't know a german doctor near by to whom I could go. They all seem to be quite ..... well let me say helpless. Is there anything I could take eat or drink ? Let's hope we don't get ill !!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, September 5, 2006, 6:44pm; Reply: 46
I d propose you take a look at the 'fatigue' and 'diabetes' books......
those have more targeted food lists,
also the on line protocols might be of help.....you can choose which one fits your needs.
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