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Posted by: AutumnLAss (Guest), Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:05pm
Hi All,
I'm new to this and have NEVER been on any type of diet before, but this all makes sence to me. My family are all O+. We eat a lot of bread, buns, cereal, cookies, pasta, Instant Oatmeal....So, my need for help falls into how do/what can I replace these things with? I shop at Walmart most of the time, don't have a lot of money for more expensive foods...Can you give me product names or exactly what to avoid in the ingredient lists? I'm having anxiety (which I'm prone to anyway) over this part of the O diet. How do I make a sandwich? What Cereal can I give my kids? What do we put a hamburger on? Crackers? AAAHHHH!

Please help! :-/
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:11pm; Reply: 1
learn how to make your own out of compliant grains for your type.......
that s my advice.
there s a recipe base on this board for ideas......also threads on compliant breakfast ideas for your type.
breakfast ideas golden
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=gold,m=1096742710


which of the books are you using?
there are lists of beneficials as well as neutrals and all the avoids, at a glance.
double check on typebase on this site for updated values on food.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:13pm; Reply: 2
Welcome AutumnLass, you have come to the right place! First off, go to the top of the page second to the left and click on "memeber center", there you will see a place to select your Avatar under "Edit Profile", this will allow you to pick your bloodtype avatar to show everyone, every time you post what your bloodtype is and you don't have to always include it in your message.
About the diet, it does take some getting used to, but is not as hard as it may seem right now, there is a great thread going right now about using lettuce "lettuce wraps" instead of bread.  More type "O's" will be chiming in soon to help you out. Glad you are here!
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:14pm; Reply: 3
There is nothing expensive about the O diet.  You don't need to buy any bread, buns, cereal, cookies, pasta or Instant Oatmeal any more!  What a savings that will be!  
Try to stick to the outside aisles of the grocery store.  Meat, fish, veggies, fruit, an occasional rice or other acceptable grain.  You don't need to buy any pre-made foods,  you don't need them and they usually aren't good for you or your family.  
I buy beef, salmon, lamb, carrots, sweet potatoes, lettuce, olive oil, spinach, bananas, plums, pears, etc.  
Do not make a sandwich with bread.  Use lettuce leaves, or make your own spelt, rye or oatmeal bread with NO wheat flour.  
My kids still eat cereal, they are not on the BTD.  
Put your hamburger on a plate and eat it.  ;D
Crackers are usually a no-no, they have wheat and hydrogenated fat.  Few brands are good.  Ryvita is one good one, I got a package for $1 at my grocery.  
For that anxiety you should do lots of vigorous exercise.  Running, biking, weight lifting, aerobics, work up a sweat.  Great for O's.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:17pm; Reply: 4
Welcome AutumnLass!

You've come to the right place.  Could you tell us which books of Dr. D's that you've read? Eat Right?  Live Right?  

There is a type of bread (that should be available in most commercial markets) called Ezekiel.  It's made from sprouted grains, and is okay for O secretors.

Since this way of eating is new to you, you can slowly make changes so that the change doesn't appear drastic or overwhelming.  Understand that most grains are not the ideal food for Type O's.  There is a thread going on right now, about how to make sandwiches using other types of food besides bread.

There's a wealth of information on the site to help you get started, so cruise around the web site and the forum, and settle in to read.  And, if you have a question, please ask!

Again, Welcome!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:21pm; Reply: 5
read this post to help you get started: )
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/welcome1.htm
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:25pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from AutumnLAss
Hi All,
I'm new to this and have NEVER been on any type of diet before, but this all makes sence to me. My family are all O+. We eat a lot of bread, buns, cereal, cookies, pasta, Instant Oatmeal....So, my need for help falls into how do/what can I replace these things with? I shop at Walmart most of the time, don't have a lot of money for more expensive foods...Can you give me product names or exactly what to avoid in the ingredient lists? I'm having anxiety (which I'm prone to anyway) over this part of the O diet. How do I make a sandwich? What Cereal can I give my kids? What do we put a hamburger on? Crackers? AAAHHHH!

Please help! :-/

Well, hi, AutumnLass*, and welcome!  Don't worry, though it can seem quite daunting and overwhelming at first, I promise you that:

1.  For just about anything you can think of that you can't have on the O diet, there is at least one really wonderful alternative that you can have, and usually it is even better than the thing you can't have!

2.  The great people on this board will help you with any questions you have.

3.  You will love the O diet!!!

The only thing is, about shopping at Wal-Mart all the time, for some of the substitutions for common things, you will need to go to a health food store.  I know it can seem expensive, but actually, you will be saving so much money in other ways, on other items (no more junk food, wu HUUU, HUGE monetary savings there!), that it evens out or it's pretty close, anyway.  Plus I find I don't eat out like I used to, so that is a big savings.  Homemade, high-quality, delicious food is actually less expensive than the typical American diet, truly.  You can still buy a lot of the foods at Wal-Mart if you choose to, like your produce (the O diet is a lot about PRODUCE--fruits and vegetables, baby!) and your meat if you have to due to $$$ (I understand, I don't have any of the stuff myself and organic meat does cost a lot).  But for certain items you may need to go to the local Whole Foods (if you have one) or other health food store.  Like for compliant breads such as 100% rye, for example.  A product name for a great 100% rye bread is French Meadows 100% rye.  Caution:  French Meadows also sells a "rice bread", but if you read the ingredients, one of the first ingredients is WHEAT, so that is out.  And that is my main thing to tell you:  a very important key to success on this diet is to get into the habit of reading ingredients labels.  Again, this can seem very confusing and daunting at first, but in short order you will learn what is a no-no and what is not.

This diet is soooooooooooooooo easy in so many ways!  No calories to count, carbs to count, points to figure out, no weighing and measuring and all that stuff that I know I sure couldn't keep up for a lifetime.  This is a very easygoing, liveable diet.  If you feel overwhelmed at first, ask us for help, we're all here for ya!!!  The only hard part is that the two biggest avoids happen to be in EVERYTHING in the stores *lol*, and those are wheat and corn (and corn can go by many names, like corn syrup, dextrose, maltodextrin, etc.)--but again, we are all here to answer any questions.

Again, WELCOME!


* I love your screen name!!!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:32pm; Reply: 7
P.S.  While I think that is great advice you got to shop on the outside aisles of the store (i.e., the whole, fresh, alive stuff, not the dead, packaged, non-perishable stuff in the middle of the store), I gotta say that I stop short of saying to a newbie don't buy ANY pre-packaged foods.  I mean, you can't leap across the Grand Canyon all in one fell swoop.  For example, I really don't eat any pasta anymore, but when I was newer on the diet, I used to eat a lot of Pastariso brand 100% rice pasta, as I was so used to eating wheat pasta that just to summarily cut it out would have been a huge change.  Nowadays, I go for whole brown rice instead if I'm going to have a grain at all (or rice cakes, but I really shouldn't be doing that as a non-secretor, or not nearly as much as I do *lol*--see, no one is perfect, even years into the thing...ideally, as a non-secretor, I should avoid grains, but in the real world...well, I'm imperfect...we just do the best we can).  You will found, however, that non-grain alternatives are just as good or better than grains for most things!  Like, instead of pasta with pesto sauce, or with marinara and ground beef, why not have BROCCOLI with pesto sauce, or with marinara and ground beef?  Sweet potato goes GREAT with the latter.  Etc.  You'll learn.  And you'll be amazed at how delicious, nourishing and satisfying this diet is.
Posted by: AutumnLAss (Guest), Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:39pm; Reply: 8
Thanks Everyone! So can you just substitute rice or oat flour for wheat flour in recipies? Like for pancakes? Or bread? I don't mind making home made - I just need the recipies.

I get PLEANTY of exercise - I'm a Carolina Rollergirl (Roller Derby) and we practice 5 days a week!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:42pm; Reply: 9
Not in yeast breads.. you need some gluten there to get a good product. REAL Spelt works well or kamut
try to search the recipe base.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:46pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from AutumnLAss
Thanks Everyone! So can you just substitute rice or oat flour for wheat flour in recipies? Like for pancakes? Or bread? I don't mind making home made - I just need the recipes.

Check out the blogs by Robin Hinsdale (who goes by Brighid45 on the message board, but check out her blogs in the blogger section of the site).  She focuses on BTD cooking and she is wonderful in too many ways to mention, but a few highlights include that she is a fantastic cook, very creative and imaginative, and she's a great writer ta boot.  She just started blogging recently but already has a lot of blogs in her archive that would help you with your baking BTD-style questions!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 6:53pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Henriette_Bsec
Not in yeast breads.. you need some gluten there to get a good product. REAL Spelt works well or kamut
try to search the recipe base.

Caution:  I would not recommend using spelt or kamut until you find out your secretor status.  While you certainly don't have to do that right away (most people are secretors, so just follow the recommendations for secretors in most cases unless and until you find out that you are a non-secretor) or even ever, and for most things you can just relax and use the secretor recommendations, I think I'd err on the side of avoiding spelt and kamut for this reason:

Wheat, imho, is the single biggest avoid for Type O.  So, if you are a non-secretor and don't know it, and you are eating spelt and kamut (which are types of wheat, but they are types of wheat that are neutral for secretors because they can usually tolerate them better than regular wheat, whereas us nonnies just can't take ANY type of wheat, even the kinder, gentler types...although kamut is technically legal, but don't confuse me with the facts *lol*), you might not get as good results with the BTD as you would if you just make the break from wheat entirely until you know your secretor status.  THEN, if you find out that you are a secretor, you could try adding spelt and/or kamut and see how you do.  If you react to them as you would to wheat, take 'em back out.

Mind you, the above is just my opinion on that and some would definitely say I'm a little overboard on this issue.  Most people, if they don't know their secretor status, would just go ahead and figure spelt and kamut are okay to use.  Personally, if you want a flour with gluten in it for baking, I'd go with rye.

Hope I haven't plunged you into deer-in-headlights mode.  If we are all throwing too much at you, just tune us out.  We get quite vociferous at times *lol*!  And what is really great is when you get conflicting advice!  But, as my Great Uncle Jim would have said, "That's what makes horse racing!", meaning, without differing opinions, everyone would bet on the same horse *lol*, so there'd be no sport of horse racing.  I personally never heard him say that, or much of anything, since I only met the man a few times.  But my mom, ah, she adored her Uncle Jim and is always quoting him!

ANYWAY:  Take my 2 cents with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 7:02pm; Reply: 12
P.S.  Okay, just checked Robin's/Brighid45's blog archives and there really isn't much on baking flour substitutions, so what I'm thinking of is her posts on the board.  Do a search through her posts and I'm sure you'll find something...and maybe she'll take this as a hint to do a blog soon on baking the BTD compliant way/all things compliant flour-related?  Hint, hint?  Brig?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 7:09pm; Reply: 13
Me again (one last time!)

Quoted from AutumnLAss
...We eat a lot of bread, buns, cereal, cookies, pasta, Instant Oatmeal....my need for help falls into how do/what can I replace these things with  Please help! :-/


Okay, here goes:

bread:  French Meadows 100% rye; brands of rice bread that do NOT contain avoids such as wheat; rice cakes; romaine lettuce for "wraps" or roll-ups; 100% sprouted wheat bread (re sprouted wheat bread:  read the ingredients label--if there is ANY other kind of wheat flour in there, other than that preceded by the word "sprouted", run for the hills and don't look back!)

buns:  rice cakes, Lundberg is the best brand by far.

cereal:  Rice Chex is compliant.  You can also make your own trail mix with things like Eden Organic Pumpkin seeds, raisins, dried cranberries, etc.  This is an excellent cereal replacement.  Some folks put chocolate or carob chips in it but not I.

cookies:  Pamela's rice cookies.  BEWARE:  these are addictive to the max!

Pasta:  Pastariso 100% rice pasta.  I think that brand is better than wheat spaghetti.  There is another brand called something like Tinkyada or something, never tried it, but others around here rave about it.  You can also use whole brown rice!  Or your fave variety of whole rice.  OR vegetables like broccoli or whatever you like.  It is amazing how vegetables are better than pasta in most dishes you can think of!!!

instant oatmeal:  I can't think of the brand name, but there is a very good instant, flavored quinoa cereal that comes in packets at the HFS, just like instant oatmeal.  The only avoid it had in the flavor I bought was cinnamon, so I didn't worry about it.  It was good.  Wish I could remember the brand.



Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 7:11pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Edna
P.S.  While I think that is great advice you got to shop on the outside aisles of the store (i.e., the whole, fresh, alive stuff, not the dead, packaged, non-perishable stuff in the middle of the store), I gotta say that I stop short of saying to a newbie don't buy ANY pre-packaged foods.  I mean, you can't leap across the Grand Canyon all in one fell swoop.  For example, I really don't eat any pasta anymore, but when I was newer on the diet, I used to eat a lot of Pastariso brand 100% rice pasta, as I was so used to eating wheat pasta that just to summarily cut it out would have been a huge change.


You're right Peppermint.  I got some rice pasta in the beginning too but found, after a while, that I'd rather have pot roast.  :)
I also went nuts trying to find olive oil sweet potato chips (never did).  I snack very little now.  Mostly on walnuts and almonds, prunes and other fruit.  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 7:13pm; Reply: 15
(I lied about my last post being my last in this thread *lol*:  ONE last post in this thread *lol*):

Note:  I just made this thread sticky.  I want to share my reason because I know we are trying to limit the number of sticky threads and I am all for that!  The reason I made this one sticky is that I've been meaning for AGES to start a reference thread about replacements/alternatives/substitutes for common foods.  These questions come up literally all the time, so wouldn't it be neato torpedo to have a thread that newbies can refer to in which we all post our favorite alternatives to common avoids?  Answer Key:  YES, it will, Peppermint, and you are SO brilliant for thinking of it!!!

Well, AutumnLass beat me to starting the thread, but I say, why waste a perfectly good thread that is started and let it slip off into the sunset at some point?  So, let's make this the official, "sticky" place to add our favorite alternatives to avoids as we think of them, and we can refer newbies to it in future!  Yay, team!   Maybe someday this will become a "Golden Thread", or maybe it'll just stay sticky on the ER4YT forum.
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 7:17pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Edna


cookies:  Pamela's rice cookies.  BEWARE:  these are addictive to the max!



I haven't tried these yet.  I guess I'm afraid that I'll like them!   :)

I make chocolate chip cookies using 1/2 oat flour and 1/2 ground almonds in place of the wheat flour.  I also use raw sugar in place of the white sugar.  They come out thin but everyone says they are better than "regular" cookies.  They are also addictive but I don't want to make cookies too often so not a problem. ;D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 7:51pm; Reply: 17
Peppermint
I think you are right about the spelt and kamut.
BUT I do think for a newbie it is a far better and easier solution than wheat :-)
I only use very little spelt ( and I make sure it is the right ancient european version- not some polluted american version- yes they are out there :-( ) But I try to avoid to much bread and flour product and eat whole grains instead : rice millet etc.
Posted by: Brighid45, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 10:57pm; Reply: 18
Hi AutumnLass, nice to meet you :)

In the beginning it takes a little while to come to grips with the change in your diet, especially if you've been eating a lot of grains. We Os should stay off grains to whatever extent is possible, and wheat should be eliminated completely (as well as corn). Tough to do! But many of us here are living testimony that it can be done. Believe me--I used to eat bread and grains at every meal, now I eat one small serving of rice flour or rice pilaf a week! So there's hope. Here are some suggestions to complement all the excellent advice given by everyone else in this thread.

~~Instead of eating cereals or breads for breakfast, check out the 'Breakfast Ideas for Os' thread in the Golden Threads forum. (Go to the top of this page, click on the 'Index' button, and you'll get a list of available forums.)

~~Switch over to rice pasta as suggested--Pastariso and Tinkyada are excellent brands. You can also use rice sticks or noodles found in the international aisle (always check the label for avoids, or what my roomie calls 'uh-oh' ingredients), or bean threads. I also LOVE vegetable spaghetti as a sub for pasta--it makes terrific baked spaghetti casserole. You can also use brown or white rice as a pasta substitute.

~~In baking yeast-raised bread, there really is no good substitute for wheat flour. Spelt is the next best thing, then kamut. However, they are lower in gluten than the bread you're used to so it takes a little time to get used to using them. If you want to try your hand at making spelt bread, ask here at the message board--there are plenty of people who are pretty good at it. :)

~~When I want bread, I eat ezekiel bread--a commercial brand available in most health food stores. You can also get 100% rye (French Meadows makes a good loaf) or other blends. Always check the ingredient list for avoids.

~~I use a half and half blend of quinoa and millet to substitute for cornmeal. You can find quinoa (pronounced 'KEEN-wah') in most health food stores. To my taste it has that nice tangy acidic edge a really good cornmeal has. I've used it to make decent tortillas and cornbread muffins too.

~~Brown rice or sweet rice flour can be substituted for wheat flour in cookies and quickbreads like muffins or non-yeasted loaves (banana bread, apple bread etc). I like Shiloh Farms brown rice flour and Michiko sweet rice flour.

This is a lot to learn, I know. Take it one step at a time and come talk with us if you need help or have questions.

Welcome to the board! I look forward to your posts. :)
Posted by: bill60 (Guest), Monday, June 26, 2006, 12:44am; Reply: 19
I have been on this way of life for approx. 6 weeks. I am a person who works out5 days a week with weights and cardio. It is amazing the muscle and strength I have gained. Breakfast normally consists of "Better than Eggs" 2 or 3 slices of turkey bacon and a couple of slices of spelt, Ezekiel or 100% rye toast with plum spread. But every once in a while I will have spelt flakes with a bananna. I do have a question though, O's cant have dairy and I wonder if it is the lactose that makes it a nono. If so, can I have Lactaid milk which is lactose free. If not, what is a good tasting replacement.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 26, 2006, 3:42am; Reply: 20
cows milk should be avoided....
try a soy milk substitute instead with no avoids.
there is nut milk, or milk made from compliant grains..etc.
watch the frequency guidelines given in the books, though.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/vegmilk.html
Posted by: hkbecky (Guest), Monday, November 6, 2006, 5:32pm; Reply: 21
As a relative newbie myself (been on BTD for 4 weeks so far), I'm surprised at the amount of options I have now that I've started this diet.  Instead of restricting myself to bread, noodles and pasta which I used to eat almost every day- now I've started experimenting with different varieties of foods I'd never tried before.  With lots of variety, your diet won't get boring and you'll find it easier to stick to.  

I usually keep a container of fruit salad, a container of veggie salad and a container of steamed veggies (ready to nuke) at all times.  This way, I just choose the meat or seafood for that meal.  I try to keep things like turkey salami, turkey pastrami or turkey ham to replace pork. And keep some marinated lamb, frozen fish filets, frozen scallops and chicken wings in the freezer so I can just pan sear or stir fry prior to dinner.  Fast, easy, low fat and good for you.

Less thinking makes this diet much easier since you already know what NOT to eat.  So you can get creative with what you should eat.  Sometimes I mix 3 different seafoods like fish, shrimp and crab at one meal and have a seafood bonanza.  And you save money because surf n' turfs at a restaurant can be pretty steep.  

Good luck and hope u stick with it!  The benefits outweigh the inconveniences!
Posted by: Lola, Monday, November 6, 2006, 10:53pm; Reply: 22
turkey salami, turkey pastrami or turkey ham ......
have you read the ingredients on those products?
or do you make them from scratch?

a lot of ham products and cured meats have nitrates and other additives you would rather avoid.
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