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Posted by: Patty Lee, Sunday, April 9, 2006, 1:35am
I am missing my books, but I do currently have in my library an Allergy Health Protocol book, and what I'm not finding is a straightforward frequency chart for nonnies.  Is there one published?  If not, has anyone made one up?
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, April 9, 2006, 1:59am; Reply: 1
LRFT lists servings/week for non-secretors.  Is this what you mean by frequency?
Posted by: Patty Lee, Sunday, April 9, 2006, 3:28am; Reply: 2
Yes--servings/day and servings/week.  The allergy protocol does too, although it's listed at the bottom as a variant of secretor information.  I was wondering whether anyone had this easily charted out--everything all together.  Maybe in a weekly "menu" format?  I'm a very visual person and I think something like this would be helpful.
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, April 9, 2006, 4:37am; Reply: 3
For a caucasian -

Meat 7-12/week  RH- plus 1-2  
Fish 4-5/week RH- plus 2
eggs 3-6/week
milk 0-2/week
cheese 0-1/week
beans 0-3/week
nuts 5-7/week
grain 0-3/week
veggie 2-3 neutral, unlimited benef daily
fruit 1-3 daily
oil 3-5/week(?)

Don't ask why I am looking at a nonnie thread.
Posted by: Don, Sunday, April 9, 2006, 4:53am; Reply: 4
Quoted from Alan_Goldenberg
For a caucasian -
grain 0-3/week

One modification
grain 0-3/week Rh- minus 1
Posted by: Patty Lee, Wednesday, April 12, 2006, 8:00pm; Reply: 5
Thanks for looking at a nonnie thread, Lloyd!  :))
Posted by: Patty Lee, Wednesday, April 12, 2006, 9:14pm; Reply: 6
After charting this out in a spreadsheet--a sample week, if you will--I realize that I'm not eating enough veg and eating far too much fruit and grain.  Anyone else tried this?  It's quite an eye-opener.

(How is it we can have dairy or cheese at all, I wonder?)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 12, 2006, 9:51pm; Reply: 7
in the health series books, dairy becomes an avoid for nonnies!!

the few that are neutral allowed infrequent, which means
once a year (so to speak  ;)) ......become avoid in the nonnie variant, so to answer your question: no, dairy is not a good choice at all!!!
Posted by: Patty Lee, Thursday, April 13, 2006, 3:39pm; Reply: 8
That's what I thought!  Thanks, Lola.

I'm really finding it hard to get my head around the frequencies now that I've charted it out.  A good O nonnie diet is almost as tough as--but of course far, far healthier that--Atkins.  OF course, since I probably have candida, I'm sure that's just the candida talking.  ;)
Posted by: Vicki, Thursday, April 13, 2006, 4:02pm; Reply: 9
The dairy would only be butter and ghee.  Both are neutral for O non-secretors.  
Posted by: Patty Lee, Thursday, April 13, 2006, 4:13pm; Reply: 10
AH!--of course.  And I do use them both.

Is the oil listing that Lloyd gave right?  Boy, I am not sure how to both cook and have salad dressing if that's right.
Posted by: slyparrot, Saturday, April 15, 2006, 8:31am; Reply: 11
I do not like how the nonnie variants are listed at the bottom of the charts on his new books.  Secretors and non-secretors pay the same about of money to read them, and I for one have spent alot of money on Dr. D's books.  It is very annoying.
Posted by: resting, Saturday, April 15, 2006, 12:16pm; Reply: 12
Years ago I looked at nonnie frequency charts and found a lack of rationale,

so I (now do my own experimentation to find such rationale/justification to) base intakes of compliant foods on a seasonally-appropriate basis ... this can be on a daily basis as well [aka. MoDon's recommend of 'The Circadian Prescription'].  While seemingly being even more limiting, it provides a natural break from excessive eating of one food ... and the normal allergies that non-rotation often brings.  Much of this-view's 'complexity' stems from the usual changes that take place in a vegetable ... when viewed over a number a seasons ... for instance grains are the seeds of grasses and exist/are gathered only in the Autumn [without modern storage technologies, these would not exist beyond this season.]  But grasses are fine ... and as sprout-juice extract become super-beneficial.  The seasonality 'rule' holds that such generation is best suited for Spring.

applying this 'rule' to a number of foods and their components yields a very different 'take' not only on eating but on human lifestyle too.  After all these adjustments are more about lifestyle appropriateness than they are about diet-frequencies.  In keeping with, I eat eggs with abandon (and usually only in Spring) .... no fruit and only soaked, BTD-compliant nuts for Spring .......

so 'frequency charts' apply only if humans are considered as impervious to their environment ... accommodation to ones surroundings yields a more-humanized regime, imo.

John
Posted by: Patty Lee, Saturday, April 15, 2006, 7:00pm; Reply: 13
John,
I too note that, with beneficials, etc, I'd be eating the same things day inand day out.  So you're recommending working seasonally, maybe with beneficials and neutrals?

(and slyparrot:  I agree.)
Posted by: resting, Saturday, April 15, 2006, 7:28pm; Reply: 14
exactly ...

plants vary significantly on this basis ... and so too do our nutrient demands ... it looks somewhat like a sin-curve .... where spring and summer are devoted to generation and growth - autumn and winter seem to be about preparation and rest.

John
Posted by: Ellie, Sunday, April 16, 2006, 1:26am; Reply: 15
I agree with trying to eat seasonally - when I was little I remember foods only being available at certain times of the year - now, unfortunately, at least in the UK it can be very difficult to know which foods are "in season" as the same things are available all year round. Even food grown naturally is being affected by the changing weather - this year blackberries were out all summer where they used to be more in the autumn.

But also it can be too difficult to make all these changes at once, if at all. One step at a time, i say (as in "one step forward and two steps back"LOL)

Regarding the nonnie charts, I suppose we have to bear in mind that technically we are a minority!
And we are still all individuals, with different needs at different times, with different circumstances.

Good luck Patty Lee, hope you can make progress. Remember to listen to your body as well. It soon tells you if something isn't right (esp with us nonnies, isn't that right?).

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, April 16, 2006, 2:14am; Reply: 16
Ellie,
I agree with you that we are an odd and motley crew.  We seem to defy the laws of what's natural.  So many of us seem to thrive on foods that our blood types should not really be able to eat.  An example of some of the A nonnies who crave meat.  And there are come O nonnies who have a hard time eating red meat or crave dairy and grains.  
We do need to pay attention, both to our cravings and the results of our experiments.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, May 25, 2006, 12:45pm; Reply: 17
Concerning frequencies--why so little oil?  I can eat the weekly amount daily.  I do crave the fat & I don't eat sugar (unless natural sugar in fruit).
How else can I say that I eat 3,000 calories a day? It's the fat that I crave!
Dr. D, is this amount harmful?
S S & L,
Mrs "T"   O+
Posted by: Patty Lee, Thursday, May 25, 2006, 1:39pm; Reply: 18
Are you a non, Mrs T?

I too find that the frequencies for oil are FAR lower than I generally eat.  I mean, even with SALADS every day I make a fruit-juice-and-oil dressing with beneficial oils.  And I cook with it--especially important now that Teflon is considered toxic.  Is this why I can't lose weight?
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, May 25, 2006, 2:08pm; Reply: 19
I haven't officially had the test, but suspect that I'm a nonnie.
The nonnie diet seems to work better.  I cannot tolerate dairy, I do better without grains (altho I have some), I eat a lot of avocados without outward problems, & some items in the secretor area like certain beans don't agree with me.  But I have heard that you can't always tell.  I guess I am too cheap to take the test & don't like dealing with the mails. Someday if the test were locally available, I would do it.  Also, I'm a little wacky. I think nonnies are wackier than the typical person!! Ha!!
Anyway, it's great to eat 3,000 calories a day & be under 130#.  In the past year & a half, I have added ball exercises & keep fairly compliant on the BTD. Which one is the most important to the weight loss?  I don't know.  I just want to keep doing both along with Curves & walking(plus a few reps of a few other things).
I still gotta write my pamphlet about losing weight in my late 50s without feeling hungry all the time!!!!  There are several factors.  Actually, I'd like to write a pamphlet about general health concepts that helped me that are natural & safe like BTD, combinations, etc.
The drawback about losing weight at this age is that I have a bad time toning up.
But if you see me, you won't notice the flab.  It's concealed pretty well!!!!!
S S & L,
Mrs "T"    O+
Posted by: SusieD, Friday, May 26, 2006, 12:42am; Reply: 20
Patty,
Glad that you brought up the subject because I've been pondering this for a long time. Started with the A secretor lists in LR4T and could easily pop open to see food values. But being a left-handed, right-brained, creative artistic type (INFP) I needed a VISUAL. Knew that the ADA version of food pyramid was wrong, but liked the visual of it vs. a list, so made my own BTD A pyramid. Very helpful. Added the health series arthritis list, so changed pyramid to fit these changes and now have further refined to A nonnie with arthritis. Only way I can keep this info in my head, but still refer to chart often. Definitely going to need to try new foods because my list shrank with each refinement. Lloyd, is your list O nonnie and is the veg daily or weekly? My A nonnie with arthritis veg list is 2-3 neutral/week and unlimited bennies; fruit 2-3 week is this right? (PS- you looked because you love us nonnies)
                                                   
                                                         oils   1 T /3-7week
                                       
                                  meat  2-5 oz 3-5/week        fish 2-5 oz 2-5/week
                                     
                               eggs 2-5/week
                              milk,yogurt 2-5 oz 1-2/week   beans 1 cup cooked 3-5/week
                             cheese 2oz 0-1/ week
                               
                         grain 1/2 dry 5-7/week                    nuts, seeds 1/2 cup, 2T butter
                                                                                     5-7/week
                                                               
                      vegetables - - - - - bennies unlimited      and          neutral 1 cup 2-3/week

You see how this works? Start at the bottom, so when hungry you can check amounts
My next project is to take this a step further and make a magnetic dry-erase board with each serving of each food as a magnet. Totally visual where you can see your weekly intake, remember Richard Simmons Deal-A-Meal cards? Like that kinda, wow, here I am messing around and "playing with my food"! need to clean house, bye for now...Diane
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, May 26, 2006, 2:27am; Reply: 21
Susie, if you're basing your fruit servings on LR4YT, that was a typo!  It should say 2-3 per day.

Posted by: SusieD, Friday, May 26, 2006, 5:13am; Reply: 22
Whoops, I left fruit off the pyramid. Right above the vegetables should be fruit 1 cup  2-3/week (?). My list is from Arthritis-Fight It with the Blood Type Diet (Eat Right 4 Your Type Health Library) using the non-secretors section, of course.  Are there typos in the Health series books? I'm confused now. Are the neutral veggies 2-3 per week or day? And fruit is 2-3 per day? ...Diane
Posted by: Don, Friday, May 26, 2006, 1:36pm; Reply: 23
There isn't a typo in the Arthritis book in regards to the frequency listed in the vegetables and fruits charts. They both state Times per day and that is correct.
Posted by: SusieD, Friday, May 26, 2006, 5:38pm; Reply: 24
Actually, my Arthritis book has TIMES PER WEEK
Posted by: Don, Friday, May 26, 2006, 7:50pm; Reply: 25
Interesting ??)

Mine is the hardcopy version.
Posted by: SusieD, Saturday, May 27, 2006, 1:06am; Reply: 26
Mine is the small paperback version. Thanks for letting me know the correct frequencies. If I could only eat fruits and vegetables 2-3 a week each, I would get mighty hungry. I'm going to report the typos in the Suggestion Box here on the Forum. Thanks, MoDon...Diane
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 27, 2006, 1:39am; Reply: 27
mine are the paperback versions and are already edited to state /per day..........
Berkley books NY.......
Posted by: 105_a_n-s (Guest), Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 4:58pm; Reply: 28
What is the basic type A nonnie frequency chart?  Is it similar to the type A/arthritis chart above?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 11:35pm; Reply: 29
yes I believe they are the same......

what changes are the food values......and that s when the frequency values change, also.
Posted by: 105_a_n-s (Guest), Thursday, June 22, 2006, 12:56pm; Reply: 30
Wow, according to the chart above I really need to step up the amount of eggs and turkey/chicken I eat.  Right now I only eat maybe 1 egg a week and poultry once or twice a week.
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