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Posted by: Red Meat Eater, Monday, February 27, 2006, 10:55pm
What's the one Avoid that you MOST wish worked for your Type?  

Mine is coffee.  I love it but it has devastatingly bad effects on me (really bad stomach ache, anxiety).  I have totally shunned it now and never consume it.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:01pm; Reply: 1
Cheeeese, Grommet! j.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:05pm; Reply: 2
Popcorn.  The smell intoxicates me and it's very difficult to go to the movies, and not have it! >:(
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:06pm; Reply: 3
That is a tough one.  I love cheese, but I really can make do with the varieties that are neutral.  Corn would be useful to have only because of my love for mexican food that features corn tortillas.  Beans and greens are also missing something without a little cornbread.  

But, I'd have to say wheat.  There are alternatives that work just fine for me, but if I could handle wheat it would just make life simpler for eating out, mainly.  I really am not even a bread lover, it's just that wheat is everywhere and it seems the most difficult to avoid, encounterwise.
Posted by: Whimsical, Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:15pm; Reply: 4
Wow, this is a hard question!  

Sugar would make life easier, but honestly, if I could have SOME I would inevitably have TOO MUCH.  I am not someone who can enjoy just a little and honestly, who needs it when so many other foods give more "bang for your buck" nutritionally?  

Ditto with potatoes, wheat, and cheese - having them marked as "avoid" helps me choose more veggies.  Os have so few grain and dairy servings anyway, what is the point?  These are not useful foods for an O.  I kind of count potatoes (and corn) as grains...

So, I would pick something that I could truly enjoy, like pork, bacon specifically.  I get more protein servings than most, so this would probably work best without causing me to gain weight.  

I reserve the right to change my choice once I've seen other people's posts...  ;)
Posted by: Red Meat Eater, Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:19pm; Reply: 5
Ohhhh, now that you've mentioned potatoes I realize that the Avoid I want back is potatoes.  

In fact,  right now I  am eating french fries made with organic potatoes and extra virgin olive oil about twice a week.  No ill effects or weight gain either
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:22pm; Reply: 6
I thought about bacon/pork too, it is sooo good, but I'll stick with wheat...for now.
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:37pm; Reply: 7
French Vanilla Ice Cream...Yummalicious.  I can stand the other symptoms of avoids like achiness to a certain point, but I cannot stand that my sinuses are clogging up and I cannot breathe. :o :o :o :o :o  Even just a little bit.  I don't like breathing through my mouth.  (Except in exercising).    And...it really bothers me when someone tells me when I have been snoring.   :-/   Alot of the times I wake myself up when I do.  ::)                :)

Debra
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, February 27, 2006, 11:45pm; Reply: 8
I'd have to say hands down, wheat/cornmeal. The darn stuff is in everything and there's wheat everywhere you look. Being able to have wheat would make life a lot easier . . . but then, it's not about easy. At least it never has been for me!

Ditto cornmeal. In fact, I miss that more than wheat sometimes. My mother used to make cornbread that, when eaten hot with honey and butter, would qualify as food of the gods. There are times when I really want nothing more than a slab of that delicious cornbread. Fortunately for me, quinoa makes a pretty good substitute, since cornmeal trashes me like nobody's business.
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 12:10am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Brighid45

Ditto cornmeal. In fact, I miss that more than wheat sometimes. My mother used to make cornbread that, when eaten hot with honey and butter, would qualify as food of the gods. There are times when I really want nothing more than a slab of that delicious cornbread.  


I've only had one opportunity to travel to Europe.  I spent two weeks in France with fellow MBA students.  We had an idyllic lunch in Armagnac with views of the beautiful countryside, several rounds of spirits (we lost count), a few varieties of foie gras and an incredible cassoulet.  Several of us had to agree, that the meal would have been absolutely perfect with a pan of hot cornbread.  Corn is just not eaten in France, except by those ducks being fattened up for foie gras... and other livestock.

Posted by: Laura P, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 1:04am; Reply: 10
papaya and that I was more dairy friends
Posted by: jillthepilllady, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 1:20am; Reply: 11
Beef and venison would be nice for me, just for convenience since I cook for O's.  Wheat would be nice because Spelt is so darned expensive.  But if you're asking what I wish were on my diet simply because I want to eat it, it would have to be creamed cheese (which really isn't food at all after looking at the ingredients!) cheesecake!!!  

I'm going to find a way to make cheesecake with goat milk cheese if it's the last thing I do!
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 1:43am; Reply: 12
If cheesecake didn't have multiple avoids for me, that would be my pick!  
Posted by: 1198 (Guest), Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 2:37am; Reply: 13
Cheese. I love cheese madly. Of all the avoids I wish I could have cheese but I do avoid it. There is no cheese that exists that I can eat and I am sad about this.

I drink coffee even though it's supposely an avoid for me. I have no problem with it so it doesn't count. I must be the exception or maybe it's genetic since I am Middle Eastern and Romani. I have coffee in th blood. ;)
Posted by: Olerica, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 2:47am; Reply: 14
CHEESE!!!!  I miss ALL cheese.

My B hubby says: CHICKEN (and corn, but just cause it's in EVERYTHING....)
Posted by: 1514 (Guest), Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 2:49pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from jillthepilllady
...Wheat would be nice because Spelt is so darned expensive...


Hey, Jill!  ;D  

I buy our spelt from a local farmer that's been certified organic for ages.  They mill their grain on site with a huge old stone grinder.  They charge me $17.50 for 25-lbs of their whole spelt flour.  White spelt is $27-ish for 25-lbs but I've never tried it.  Since they were (not sure if they still are) the sole spelt flour supplier to Blooming Prairie, if you buy from a co-op you've probably used their flour.  They are the sole spelt supplier to Vita-Spelt.  You can read about them here --> http://www.ferrisorganicfarm.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=74.

If you want to save money cutting out the middleman I can bring a bag or two with me to my homeopathy group next Tuesday.  (We now meet the 1st Tuesdays.)  You could mail me a check or send one with Jackie and I could load the flour into her van for you to pick up at the office.  If you're interested email me off-list at professional _ mom at comcast dot net or call me at 803-4547.  When the area code split 4 1/2 years ago everything south of St. Johns got to keep the old area code.  (I'm not trying to hide my identity from all you "non-Jills".  It's just my attempt to slip by webcrawlers with the ensuing spam and telemarketers.)

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I'm going to find a way to make cheesecake with goat milk cheese if it's the last thing I do!


I LOVE cheesecake.  Fortunately for me it was a *very* rare treat so I haven't felt deprived.  If you want to make cheesecake to enjoy yourself look up recipes for Italian cheesecake.  They use ricotta instead of cream cheese.  If your Os are secretors and you feel like sharing you could substitute farmers cheese for the ricotta or cream cheese.  Just be sure to measure it by weight rather than volume.  Texture-wise it's like a cross between ricotta and a whipped cream cheese.  
Posted by: Connect, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 3:32pm; Reply: 16
Vinegar.
I miss all of the things with vinegar in them.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 4:25pm; Reply: 17
Well, I would say sunflower seeds, EXCEPT that:

1.  Ever since Eden Organics came out with an excellent roasted pumpkin seed, I don't miss the sunflower seeds as much.

2.  If I really wanted sunflower seeds, they are one avoid I would have, as I don't notice an adverse affect (which isn't to say one or more adverse affects has/have not happened).

So, I won't say sunflower seeds *lol*.  Instead, I shall say that the avoids I wish I could have are:

1.  ...Can't think of one, seriously!

I mean, it would be good to be able to eat wheat and corn, as they are in everything, but when I really think about wheat and corn, they are so singularly DULL and and devoid of chi (except for fresh corn on the cob and sprouted wheat) that who really CARES, ya know?

And I would say "sugar" (as in, cane) because it is in so many things about which I love other aspects, such as tonic water, but in and of itself, sugar isn't anything to write home about.

So, all in all, I'll actually stick with my O nonnie diet!  I can't believe I just said that!  Wu HUUUU!

(...Althooooooough...a pint of Ben & Jerry's Oreo Mint Ice Cream would not be a BAD thing to see on one's beneficial listl *LOL*!!!!!!!!!!  Actually, they don't make that flav anymore.  Far as I can tell, they have single-mindedly eliminated all their great flavs and now only have things like "Gorbachunk's Double Armpit Hair Surprise".  Yup, I'll stick with the O nonnie diet, as is!)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 4:28pm; Reply: 18
I can´t decide between tomatoes and pork
I almost never touch tomatoes- however I miss tomatoes in meatsauces( italianstyle) and in the sommer.
BUT I do miss pork more- and since it is only a tier 2 thing and I have no known reactions to it I have alittle organic pork and bacon -like 1 oz a week or so....
I don´t care about the chicken or corn- was never my thing any way.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 4:28pm; Reply: 19
P.S.!

Oh!  Wait!  Got it!

Breyer's Mint Chip!
Posted by: MissileCop, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 5:09pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Edna
P.S.!

Oh!  Wait!  Got it!

Breyer's Mint Chip!


There's a surprise............NOT!      ;D        :K)

Wow, I hadn't really thought about such a thing.  I can't really think of one thing that I would really like not to be an avoid.  Because for everything, there IS a substitute, even if it means taking a little time to find something.  

For now, I guess I would have to say bacon, because turkey bacon on a BLT just isn't the same.  And I LOVES me BLT's!  ;D
Posted by: mhameline, Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 11:37pm; Reply: 21
Pork has been very easy for me to avoid ever since I discoverd turkey bacon and sausage - I like it even better now.  

Sometimes I miss milk and cheese and ice cream too - so I can get jealous of my hubby being a B and being able to indulge in all his dairy sometimes.  

But I would say the thing I miss the most is popcorn - I adore popcorn - especially at the movies.  I also miss good Mexican food because of the lack of corn.  And it would make things a lot easier too since it's in nearly everything.  I would say wheat is an easier avoid for me than corn.  
Posted by: 1198 (Guest), Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 4:30am; Reply: 22
I think rice cakes taste exactly like popcorn...especially if you crumble them up and put them in a bowl with butter on them...not that I would do a thing like that.
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 7:46am; Reply: 23
Strangely enough I don't miss wheat or potato.   ;D

Cheese/Milk is another matter entirely.   :'(

Corn would be convenient but hardly neccesary.  :P

Peanuts, coffee and black tea pretty much the same. :(

Avacado would be nice! >:(

I guess aged cheeses, sour cream, cottage cheese, yogurt and some milk are the worst. Once a week or so I have a little mozzerella but it's not the same. ::)

What I really miss the most though is keilbasa or other good dinner sausages. Will definitely have to start making my own - there is really no excuse. ;)
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 7:51am; Reply: 24
Quoted from mhameline
Pork has been very easy for me to avoid ever since I discoverd turkey bacon and sausage - I like it even better now.  

 


All the commercial turkey sausage I'm aware of has corn syrup.
Posted by: Vicki, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 12:46pm; Reply: 25
Shelton's makes turkey sausages without sugars.  Always check ingredients though!  They are easy to contact to verify spices as well.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 12:54pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from wildmuse
I think rice cakes taste exactly like popcorn...especially if you crumble them up and put them in a bowl with butter on them...not that I would do a thing like that.

This is exactly the kind of creative, outside-the-box thinking that indicates a given BTDer will be successful in the long run, as it makes the diet sustainable for the long run.  Good for you, wildmuse.  btw, that sounds so good, I am going to have to try it.  Crumbled up rice cakes with butter, nutri. yeast and salt (optional: garlic powder, other herbs) instead of popcorn.  BRILLIANT!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 1:00pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Vicki
Shelton's makes turkey sausages without sugars.  Always check ingredients though!  They are easy to contact to verify spices as well.

I have these all the time.  Shelton's turkey sausage is one of the few meat products I can afford from my HFS.  They are excellent with sweet potato, cooked together in a pot at about 325 - 350 for an hour to an hour and a half.  I usually have turkey sausage, kale or collards, sweet potato, sometimes garlic cloves, and lately I'm into putting some Imagine Butternut Squash Soup* over the mixture, and a few dashes of marinara.  Comes out fantabulous.  I stick that in when I get home from work and an hour and a half later I have a slow-cooked meal worthy of the slow-cooking name.  Meanwhile, I've fed, cleaned up after, watered and walked the pets, puttered around the house, and transitioned from work to being home.

Why do typical Americans think it is "easier" to get "fast food"?  I find it a HUGE hassle to drive somewhere, wait on line, order, wait, drive home, eat junk, get run down, get ill, and lose my quality of life, when I could simply stick some whole, nourishing, delicious foods into the oven and then when I'm ready to eat, there is a home-cooked wonder waiting for me.  Hmmmm, hard choice.
;)

* There is safflower oil in there, so beware if you are a stickler.  I contacted the company about this years ago to suggest olive instead and they wrote me back a detailed thing about how their safflower oil is processed in a better way than most safflower oils, and is cold-pressed or something (can't remember exactly).  Anyway, not sure what, if anything, that would do to its avoid status, but it is an ingredient fairly low down on the list, and the soup is SO excellent for use in sauces, that I use it, but I thought I should mention the safflower oil.  There is also "rice syrup" in there, I guess as a sweetener, so if you are scrupulously avoiding grains, that's another thaaang.  It is otherwise pure as the driven snow.
Posted by: Susana, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 1:53pm; Reply: 28
Breakfast consisting of: fresh white bread with butter and marmalade accompanied with fresh brewed Café late with sugar.

Not all are avoids… there are some neutral ;D

:K)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 2:06pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Susana
Breakfast consisting of: fresh white bread with butter and marmalade accompanied with fresh brewed Café late with sugar.

Not all are avoids… there are some neutral ;D

:K)

You could easily make a wonderful compliant (or nearly) version of this by using:

White rice bread w/butter and 100% all-fruit marmalade, accompanied by a strong cuppa fresh Haiku Hojicha Roasted Green Tea with almondmilk (which is sweetened, so you don't need sugar).

Posted by: Susana, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 2:52pm; Reply: 30
Thanks PT,

Tried everything. I want the original >:(

When I do not go obnoxious I quite enjoy flax meal with fruit & carob powder accompanied by green tea.

I crave wheat, dairy, coffee and sugar and mostly in the morning. You know... to start the day on a good footing  ::). Having said that, with experience I have learned it is the wrong footing ::)

Ahhh! Temptation is hard, otherwise no one would be tempted ;D

:K)
Posted by: typebdiet, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 3:21pm; Reply: 31
Tomato sauce and whole wheat bread are the hardest.

But also, the canola oil and corn syrup that are hidden in just about everything!

Gail
Posted by: cajungrl (Guest), Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 4:50pm; Reply: 32
I'm sure I've said this before ad nauseum :X, but my toughest things are peppers and spices.  But I am learning to live with it and use other herbs to get a little kick, especially ginger and garlic.

My other thing would be shrimp and crawfish which are no-nos for me.  The rest I can do without.

I had a lot of bad stuff last night since it was Mardi Gras, but I'm feeling reasonable today...thank goodness!
Posted by: Serena (Guest), Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 6:39pm; Reply: 33
I'm torn between corn and dairy. I admit I cheat a bit with the dairy- I restrict it, not eliminate it ;) Haagen dazs has icecream with no avoids except the milk. It's a rare treat. And oh how I miss cheesecake (as much as you can miss it when you still demand it monthly;))

But it's virtually impossible to find sandwich meat without corn sugars. Now, I know sandwich meat isn't great, but even the "Cleanest" ones all seem to have "glucose solids", corn syrup or dextrose :P And I miss corn chips with my salsa (Thank god I'm an O, I could not survive without the tomatoes...)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 8:03pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Serena
But it's virtually impossible to find sandwich meat without corn sugars. Now, I know sandwich meat isn't great, but even the "Cleanest" ones all seem to have "glucose solids", corn syrup or dextrose :P And I miss corn chips with my salsa (Thank god I'm an O, I could not survive without the tomatoes...)

The deli meats at Whole Foods do not have corn sugars...or at least, most of them don't.  I would check each individual one.  They are happy to check for you there.

Man.  I should be on Whole Foods' payroll.  :D
Posted by: mhameline, Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 8:57pm; Reply: 35
I will have to look for the Shelton's turkey sausage.  
Posted by: Vicki, Thursday, March 2, 2006, 12:40am; Reply: 36
Homemade turkey sausage is even better!  You can use Shelton's frozen organic ground turkey.
Posted by: Patty Lee, Thursday, March 2, 2006, 4:51pm; Reply: 37
Back to those avoids:
I'd be torn between sweeteners, corn, potatoes, and wheat.   The wheat and corn actually isn't so hard except for its prevalence.  Sweeteners (sugar, honey, maple syrup) I've always craved, but I can replace with compliant neutrals when necessary.  But every once in a while I like some crispy hash browns or potato chips, and as others have noted, there really isn't a satisfying substitute.  

Actually, since I'm not celiac and my symptoms are hard to see, I do slip and have avoids occasionally (for shame!). But I think potatoes and wheat make me swell (joints, mild edema).

But I've decided to be completely wheat- and sweet-compliant for Lent.  Thank goodness for agave and veg. glycerine!  (Homemade walnut butter with a little agave or veg glycerine and a spoonful cocoa really satisfies any sweet or chocolate craving I might have!)  
Posted by: 1146 (Guest), Thursday, March 2, 2006, 5:17pm; Reply: 38
You know, for me it's not so much as WHICH one avoid, but I'd be happy if I COULD have back just one - any one - of the following: corn, potatoes, wheat or dairy.

Being an O nonsecretor is hard.  I was doing well at first (I started November 2004), but lately I can't seem to shake the corn and potatoes and it is making me soooo sick.  I feel awful today.  On top of the bad eating, I have not exercised since I don't know when (Well, I do know, but I'm much to embarrassed to admit it).  

I need some inspiration / advice.  Anybody got any?
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Thursday, March 2, 2006, 5:28pm; Reply: 39
Wheat, just because it's everywhere. Dairy would be next, I'm lactose intolerant plus it's like adding fuel to my allergies.
Posted by: Patty Lee, Thursday, March 2, 2006, 5:34pm; Reply: 40
Mnicole,
It's easy to slide, particularly as a nonnie.  And it's particularly easy to convince oneself that the side effects are for another reason (i.e., I've not had enough sleep, one won't hurt me, etc).  I'm back on the wagon but I've slid off many times.  But it's worth it to climb back on.  And the exercise, too.  Interesting, isn't it, how the exercise tends to go when we get noncompliant?  It SO does for me, too.  Almost like clockwork:  either I go noncompliant or I stop exercising, and the other comes RIGHT along.  

Today:  plan your meals for the next couple of days.  Get in some fish, or grassfed beef, or some really great beneficial protein.  Lots of veg.  Keep neutrals to a minimum.  And at least take a walk.  You'll start to remember how good you felt when you started!
Posted by: 1146 (Guest), Thursday, March 2, 2006, 5:51pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from plhartless
Mnicole,
It's easy to slide, particularly as a nonnie.  And it's particularly easy to convince oneself that the side effects are for another reason (i.e., I've not had enough sleep, one won't hurt me, etc).  I'm back on the wagon but I've slid off many times.  But it's worth it to climb back on.  And the exercise, too.  Interesting, isn't it, how the exercise tends to go when we get noncompliant?  It SO does for me, too.  Almost like clockwork:  either I go noncompliant or I stop exercising, and the other comes RIGHT along.  

Today:  plan your meals for the next couple of days.  Get in some fish, or grassfed beef, or some really great beneficial protein.  Lots of veg.  Keep neutrals to a minimum.  And at least take a walk.  You'll start to remember how good you felt when you started!



Thanks.  I will definitely do that.  I could really use the exercise - and the veggies!
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 2, 2006, 5:54pm; Reply: 42
The only thing I'd like to have back is my robust health and vitality that decades of living off of avoids took from me.

I'm rebuilding my health, to be sure, but if I had not hurt my body so much with avoids, my life would have unfolded in a different way.  

I'll say again what I believe (and Pepp. Twist has also refined the wording)

Nothing tastes as good as health feels!!
Posted by: BeeBee (Guest), Thursday, March 2, 2006, 6:06pm; Reply: 43
wheat plus sugar plus oil equals donuts!
and a big bowl of cereal with milk.  no two bowls.


sometimes i splurge and do the rice cakes with melted butter too.  would it be wrong to smuggle that into the theater?
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 2, 2006, 6:31pm; Reply: 44
I think that's a great popcorn substitute, BeeBee!  I like to lightly toast my rice cakes first.

Someone else had the idea to crumble the rice cakes.  So I would lightly toast them, crumble them coarsly into a bowl, toss in melted butter (I use ghee) and nutritional yeast.  Then put into a plastic bag and smuggle!!
Posted by: Don, Thursday, March 2, 2006, 6:44pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from Victoria
The only thing I'd like to have back is my robust health and vitality that decades of living off of avoids took from me.

I'm rebuilding my health, to be sure, but if I had not hurt my body so much with avoids, my life would have unfolded in a different way.  

I'll say again what I believe (and Pepp. Twist has also refined the wording)

Nothing tastes as good as health feels!!


Amen!

Besides I like my type O secretor diet.  :)
Posted by: 1198 (Guest), Friday, March 3, 2006, 1:50am; Reply: 46
Quoted from BeeBee

sometimes i splurge and do the rice cakes with melted butter too.  would it be wrong to smuggle that into the theater?


No! It's not wrong. I do it all the time so it can't be. :D

Whatever works. They sell nothing at the concession stand that I can eat so...

Posted by: 546 (Guest), Sunday, March 5, 2006, 5:10pm; Reply: 47
POTATO CHIPS! Hands down. Cheese would be good some times. But potatoes would be a definate. Come to thing of it, I wish Lays potato chips were a health food!
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, March 5, 2006, 11:26pm; Reply: 48
Bacon, avocado, and octopus sashimi.
Can't pine for just one thing - oh, yeah, EARL GREY TEA!!! :o
Haven't quit coffee, yet, so don't miss it yet. :B
Ice cream.
I will miss cucumbers when summer comes...
I absolutely love steak, prime rib, and lobster and king crab, so they make me very glad I'm an O! Don't have to miss 'em!  :K);D
Posted by: EquiPro, Monday, March 6, 2006, 1:44am; Reply: 49
Oddly, enough, I thought that my answer would be wheat.  It's not.  It's dairy.  I eat more of the compliant dairy than I should, and I really miss all of the great cheeses from Jarlsburg to Gorgonzola to  Sharp Cheddar.  I really miss cheeses.  

You can find a substitute for wheat most of the time:  spelt, rice, quinoa, amaranth, etc.  But nothing substitutes for all those great cheeses.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, March 6, 2006, 6:33pm; Reply: 50
You made me drool, listing the cheeses!!!! Being still very new to mostly-compliancy, I haven't had time to pine or let myself think of stuff I'm missing, yet.

Maybe this thread needs to be re-named "What Is The Sound Of One Avoid Laughing At You?"
a zen BTD thread
I'm so bad
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, March 6, 2006, 7:33pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from kutminard
POTATO CHIPS! Hands down. Cheese would be good some times. But potatoes would be a definate. Come to thing of it, I wish Lays potato chips were a health food!

omg, how could I forget about potato chips?  Yes, if they were a health food, the world would make sense.


:(

If they were a beneficial, I sure would feel CHIPper about that.  But alas, it was not to be.

Praise the Lord and pass the kale.

Posted by: purdey (Guest), Monday, March 6, 2006, 8:44pm; Reply: 52
Fairly new to this and still at learning stages but as luck would have it most of my favourite foods are on the avoid list, so its good bye to yummy things like - roast potatoes, roast pork, cauliflower with "strong" cheddar sauce, corn on the cob (omg), avocadoes, popcorn with melted butter, cheese cake, and last but not least frozen yoghurt, right time to change the subject
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, March 6, 2006, 10:20pm; Reply: 53
Purdey! Get to exploring all the awesome things you CAN have that you DO love, it will get your mind off the no-no's!  Keep with BTD - it is SO worth it! :D
You're an O! ;D Count your blessings!
Welcome, and good luck from me and all the other "cave people"(O's)! :K)
PS The other types welcome you, too! They're even friendlier, some of 'em! ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, March 6, 2006, 11:16pm; Reply: 54
Yeah!  Especially the B's!   :-)
Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Wednesday, March 8, 2006, 11:47pm; Reply: 55
I miss sour cream and cheeses, black pepper and popcorn, although in the last few months nothing matters except how good I feel and how much weight I've lost.

I use Shelton's "Turkey Breakfast Sausage."  No corn syrup or anything else an O needs to avoid (don't know about other blood types).  I find that the turkey bacon and sausage products sold in the regular super market often have no-nos in them, but the ones at the serious natural food stores don't.

I especially like Shelton's sausage chopped up (after following cooking instructions) and mixed into my stir fry or an omelette or scrambled eggs.
Posted by: dddddan (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 2:56pm; Reply: 56
I miss wheat but i think i can get over that with some time. What i'm really gonna miss is the cheese- from Bries and Camemberts, to all kinds of Blues, to the sharp, firm ones like parmesan, i loved those cheeses!
Posted by: Pepima (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 3:08pm; Reply: 57
For me, avoiding milk chocolate and cheese are the worst.

And I miss salty, crispy snacks like potato chips. Not much crunchy salty stuff in the O-diet, is there? >:( :-/ :(

Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 3:19pm; Reply: 58
you can find nice crunchy sweet potato chips. Whole Foods carries to different brands. I'd like them more if they were a little saltier, but still, they're a good substitute for chips. And sweet potato fries, OMG, they are the bomb!!  Many many years ago, I discovered them and I love them still.  Don't have them often because they are fried, but for a treat, can't beat 'em.
Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 3:32pm; Reply: 59
Oh, I so agree re sweet potato fries.  We have a local restaurant that serves them, and that's what I do when I want to treat myself and feel like I'm really doing something that's too yummy to be legal.

Sweet potatoes have become my new comfort food.
Posted by: Pepima (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:09pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from pkarmeier
you can find nice crunchy sweet potato chips. Whole Foods carries to different brands. I'd like them more if they were a little saltier, but still, they're a good substitute for chips. And sweet potato fries, OMG, they are the bomb!!  Many many years ago, I discovered them and I love them still.  Don't have them often because they are fried, but for a treat, can't beat 'em.


I suppose the chips and fries are fried in O-non-compliant sunflower oil?!?

I live in the Netherlands, and I'm not sure if we have them here. But I'll look for them in the health food store.

Posted by: 872 (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:13pm; Reply: 61
Nonnie chocolat - compliant !!

L.
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:21pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from Pepima
I suppose the chips and fries are fried in O-non-compliant sunflower oil?!?


Oh you would have to mention that!!!!  ;)    You may be right  :'(  :'(  :'(     or it's safflower oil.  Either way, an avoid. Now, we are all sad again. The only BT that can have safflower is A sec and both A's for the sunflower.    Guess I'll just have to make my own.  :-/
Posted by: Pepima (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:33pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from pkarmeier


Oh you would have to mention that!!!!  ;)    You may be right  :'(  :'(  :'(     or it's safflower oil.  Either way, an avoid. Now, we are all sad again. The only BT that can have safflower is A sec and both A's for the sunflower.    Guess I'll just have to make my own.  :-/


What miserable lives we O's have........ What's left to live for if even THE SWEET POTATO CHIPS ARE BRUTALLY TAKEN AWAY FROM US?

Sunflower oil is in a lot of enjoyable products: sundried tomato paste, potato chips, mayonaise. I don't understand why you can't buy those things with olive oil instead of sunflower/safflower. Is that too expensive to produce?
(disappointed)(smarty)(disappointed)
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:38pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from Pepima
What miserable lives we O's have........ What's left to live for if even THE SWEET POTATO CHIPS ARE BRUTALLY TAKEN AWAY FROM US?


Yeah, yeah, what you said...................

Quoted from Pepima
Sunflower oil is in a lot of enjoyable products: sundried tomato paste, potato chips, mayonaise. I don't understand why you can't buy those things with olive oil instead of sunflower/safflower. Is that too expensive to produce?
(disappointed)(smarty)(disappointed)


Yes, I wonder why. Can't be the cost, all that stuff if you buy it organic, is already off the charts in price.  :-/   Guess we're all going to have to start writing these companies. Our voices might make a difference. I'm lookin' for the chip company's address when I get home, by golly.  :D

Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 5:44pm; Reply: 65
Here's how to make your own sweet potato chips with olive oil:

Heat oven to 350. Peel sweet potato and slice thin. Cover a cookie sheet or baking pan with foil, sprayed lightly with olive oil spray. Lay sweet potato chips on the foil, rubbing each one slightly in the spray. Then lightly spray the tops with olive oil  spray, sprinkling with your favorite spice (I use garlic powder).  Bake for 20 minutes, turn, sprinkle that side wth olive oil spray (just lightly), and bake for another 10 minutes.

Make a lot, because EVERYONE including small children, SO's and teenagers who usually stick up their noses at healthy food, tend to like these.

Instead of vegetable cooking spray you can put the chips into a plastic bag with about a teaspoon of olive oil (or more or less), blow in some air, and shake to coat.    
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 8:10pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from gorillita
Oh, I so agree re sweet potato fries.  We have a local restaurant that serves them, and that's what I do when I want to treat myself and feel like I'm really doing something that's too yummy to be legal.

Sweet potatoes have become my new comfort food.

I so agree with you and I think that sweet potatoes are really an O diet saver at times because you want to stay compliant yet you just want that comforty-type of carb sometimes, ya know?  There they are!  Comforting, compliant, and can be sweet or savory, so very flexible!  I just love them roasted/baked in a one-pot affair with whatever meat I am slow-cooking, some onions (oh yeah, babe), and another veggie like broccoli.  o....m....g.  When it all gets "carmelized" together after a good hour-and-a-half or so of cooking together at a low temp like 325, well, that's as good as it gets.  Thanksgiving every day.  That is what I used to say about the BTD, due to meals like that.  I should start staying that again!

Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 8:48pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from jillthepilllady
I'm going to find a way to make cheesecake with goat milk cheese if it's the last thing I do!


Jill, not sure if anyone has replied on this but I've made several really good "cheesecakes" made with goat cheese. I have a cookbook called "Sinfully Vegan" by Lois Dieterly, and while she uses vegan cream cheese in her recipes, I find that to be just disgusting. So I substitute goat cheese instead and it is delicioso.

The one thing that I truely miss is sweet potatoes. A baked sweet potato with a little bit of lime juice, or baked sweet potato fries.  :'(
Posted by: Adam_Floro (Guest), Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 9:12pm; Reply: 68
I just have to say it.........I cook the best dang ribeye you've ever had.........charcoal grilled.....with mesquite wood.......medium rare.....pink, not bloody......nice juices running all over the plate.......full glass of French bordeaux......start off with a nice Caesar salad......then serve that steak with a big ol' baked potato.....butter & sour cream.......and, afterwards, top it off with some Ben and Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk.   Now, that's what I'm talking about, baby!  (this may happen on my birthday in June...crosses fingers...knocks on wood....)

~Adam
Posted by: Poly, Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 9:23pm; Reply: 69
*slurp* :P

I'll be there! What time? I'll bring gifts! ;) ;D
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, March 16, 2006, 11:48am; Reply: 70
Quoted from Adam_Floro
I just have to say it.........I cook the best dang ribeye you've ever had.........charcoal grilled.....with mesquite wood.......medium rare.....pink, not bloody......nice juices running all over the plate.......full glass of French bordeaux......start off with a nice Caesar salad......then serve that steak with a big ol' baked potato.....butter & sour cream.......and, afterwards, top it off with some Ben and Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk.   Now, that's what I'm talking about, baby!  (this may happen on my birthday in June...crosses fingers...knocks on wood....)~Adam


Wow!! Quite the non-compliant din-din!! Guess most of us do this now and again. Let us know how you feel next day.
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Thursday, March 16, 2006, 3:39pm; Reply: 71
Great, aged cheddar.  
Posted by: Rospax (Guest), Saturday, March 18, 2006, 1:11pm; Reply: 72
For any A types missing the creamy stuff... the closest thing to single cream I've found. A little sin.

I live in the UK. I've discovered a fantastic soya pouring cream called SOYA DREAM made by ALPRO (http://www.alprosoya.co.uk) I've even given it to dairy fans without them realising it is dairy free. I don't know if you can get it where you live but it has become readily available even in my local supermarkets (Waitrose, Tescos) as well as health food shops. Sadly, not organic. Contains 15% sunflower oil so no good for O's and also has some fructose/glucoses syrup and gums (Xanthan, Guar)... but boy does it taste good. It has fantastic keeping qualities (well beyond the recommended "use within" info).

Great to swirl onto creamy watercress soup, add a splash to an omelette, pour over puddings, make creamy sauces for veggie crumbles etc., whip up fruit fools and much more. Yum. Note: If using in cooked dishes, always stir as the last ingredient and avoid boiling or it may separate.
Posted by: DMS, Saturday, March 18, 2006, 6:47pm; Reply: 73
My first pick would be dairy because I love ICE CREAM. It is the one avoid I have trouble avoiding.

The second food would be wheat, but only because it makes food so much more accessible.

This is a great thread!
Posted by: Maverick31 (Guest), Monday, March 20, 2006, 11:04pm; Reply: 74
Chalk up another one for Cheesecake.
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 11:32pm; Reply: 75
Black tea with skim milk.  The way I started my morning for about 25 years.  I miss it.  
Posted by: 1474 (Guest), Friday, April 7, 2006, 9:59pm; Reply: 76
Vinegar!!! ketchup, mustards...all things vinegar!
Posted by: 362 (Guest), Saturday, April 22, 2006, 8:35pm; Reply: 77
Cheese & dairy foods in general.  I would have yogurt every day if I could.  Those Nouriche Yoplait yogurt thingies, they call out to me.....  "drink me, buy me....."   Once in a while I do.  I have never entirely given up the goat yogurts  they sell at Whole Foods and goat cheese is another neutral I have too often.  In 2004 I had dairy every day the last 6 months...  a serving of kefir or goat yogurt, to see if the dairy/abdominal fat loss thing was true.  (you may have read about the research)  I didn't gain weight...ok I did a little.  My acne flared way out and my joints swelled.

Dairy foods... they are the death for a type O.  
Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 2:04am; Reply: 78
The ones that have corn syrup are mostly the ones you find in regular supermarkets.  Go to a good health food store.  I don't have any right now, so I can't tell you the brand (I think it's Shelton) makes an excellent turkey sausage with no O avoids.  It's the same with turkey bacon - the ones at the supermarket have additives we should avoid, but not the kind at my health food store.
Posted by: pacheco (Guest), Thursday, June 29, 2006, 12:24pm; Reply: 79
lamb, beef, squid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm(I will really miss squid), hake
Posted by: Patty Lee, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 2:04pm; Reply: 80
Dairy.
Posted by: Debra+, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 2:17pm; Reply: 81
Quoted from Adam_Floro
I just have to say it.........I cook the best dang ribeye you've ever had.........charcoal grilled.....with mesquite wood.......medium rare.....pink, not bloody......nice juices running all over the plate.......full glass of French bordeaux......start off with a nice Caesar salad......then serve that steak with a big ol' baked potato.....butter & sour cream.......and, afterwards, top it off with some Ben and Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk.   Now, that's what I'm talking about, baby!  (this may happen on my birthday in June...crosses fingers...knocks on wood....)

~Adam


Well-if you haven't had your birthday yet, tomorrow is the last day.  What's the scoop? ;) :)  Hope you enjoyed or enjoy it.  Let us know how you felt or feel the next day.  Of course, that will depend on how compliant you have been all along. ;)

Debra :)

Posted by: Debra+, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 2:18pm; Reply: 82
Quoted from pacheco
lamb, beef, squid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm(I will really miss squid), hake


pacheco-if you knew your secretor status and are a nonnie-you could have lamb again!!!  ;) :D

Debra :)

P.S.  Hake also. :D

Posted by: 288 (Guest), Thursday, June 29, 2006, 4:26pm; Reply: 83
"the nightshade family"- tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants, peppers - I miss eggplant parmagiana and ratatouille!

luckily, as an A, I can eat & drink lots that I love (green tea, coffee, red wine, chocolate). I have found goat, yogurt & sheep cheeses to get the cheese fix.
Posted by: 1227 (Guest), Thursday, June 29, 2006, 5:30pm; Reply: 84
Ham sandwich made with Duke's mayonnaise on white bread;

A sun-ripened tomato, so soft you couldn't carry it around the block, eaten over the kitchen sink with the juice running down to the elbows;

That ribeye mentioned earlier;

southern-style pulled pork - with coleslaw - and hot sauce - on a hamburger bun.

sigh - the joys of being an "A" -- can't even have a dadburned potato...

Avocado does take a little of the sting out of the misery... ;)
Posted by: Bethysue, Monday, July 10, 2006, 6:43pm; Reply: 85
I oddly miss Orange Juice. It is just so good in the morning.
Trying to cheat and eat tomato sauce got me violently ill through out this pregnancy. I might never eat it or be tempted agian.


But I do miss an ice cold glass of OJ(sunny)
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 1:19am; Reply: 86
Wheat, because its so versatile & avaiable.
Maybe potatoes would be a close second.
Posted by: Isannah, Sunday, July 30, 2006, 12:28am; Reply: 87
CHICKEN:breast,nuggets,stirfry,fajitas,fried,buffalowings!!! We just came back from the county 4-H fair and I was very good,I had the pit turkey,even though I wanted just about every forbidden fair food there is.Oh the fair food smell's good!But I won't regret being good tomorrow.
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, July 30, 2006, 1:12am; Reply: 88
Quoted from debra


pacheco-if you knew your secretor status and are a nonnie-you could have lamb again!!!  ;) :D

Debra :)

P.S.  Hake also. :D



There you go...halfway there. ;):)

Debra :)

Posted by: Midge (Guest), Tuesday, August 1, 2006, 1:31am; Reply: 89
Bacon, lettuce and (fresh) tomato sandwich on white bread smothered with mayo.

POTATOES! Fried, mashed, french, you name it.....I eat it.

BBQ Chicken

Fresh corn on the cob, picked right out of my parents garden.

Take-5 candy bar (my favorite)

Heck, come to think of it, EVERYTHING! I want everything that I want when I want it. But, then my health won't get better. I'll feel like c**p and won't feel good. Actually, this is only day 1 for me eating BTD! LOL!

Midge
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 12:11am; Reply: 90
Cayenne and chile peppers. I'm still having trouble saying no, even after 5 years!
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, August 2, 2006, 9:52am; Reply: 91
Whipped cream.  :'(  :K)





Posted by: 707 (Guest), Sunday, January 7, 2007, 3:20am; Reply: 92

It would be easier to ask what I didn`t miss. lol  Tomatoes is a big one though, cause they`re so versatile in cooking.
Posted by: 1058 (Guest), Sunday, January 7, 2007, 4:08am; Reply: 93
"What's the one Avoid that you MOST wish worked for your Type?  "

Coffee.  But I do miss brie & crusty wheat bread.  A lot.  And cake.  And pie crusts.  And pinto beans (I'm Mexican from Texas, after all).  Coconut Oil - I love middle eastern food.  Cantaloupe.  Oranges.  Luckily, I love red meat, fish, veggies & herbal teas.  And red wine.  I just love food.

:-/
Posted by: 1058 (Guest), Sunday, January 7, 2007, 4:18am; Reply: 94
" Ben and Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk.  "

This stuff ROCKS!  Now I have to walk by the kitchen knowing dh hid some on the freezer & just go to bed, instead.  Here's me thinking " yeah, good luck with that!"

This is a dangerous thread!
Posted by: Ben_Lamers (Guest), Sunday, January 7, 2007, 5:19am; Reply: 95
Avocado!!! Of course...that is if i am a secretor. However my secretor results might have something to say about THAT  ;D ;D ;D  :D :D

We shall see (pray)(pray)(pray)(smarty)
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