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Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, February 10, 2006, 6:38pm
I learned my lesson from the last poll I created and this time I've set one up that CAN compare a preference for something between nons and secries.

Hypothesis:  Nonnies have a special affinity for nutritional yeast because, as food substances go, this one seems TAILOR MADE by the cosmos to be ideal for our health.

Nons and secries, please participate in the poll and let's see if my hypothesis is correct, or if there is no statistical diff between nons/secries, or if, in a surprise that rocks the world, secries LOVE nutri. yeast way more than nons could ever hope to *lol*!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, February 10, 2006, 7:08pm; Reply: 1
very :P ::) = sorry :K)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, February 10, 2006, 7:45pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
very :P ::) = sorry :K)

Don't be sorry, I'm lookin' for honest answers here!  This is all in the name of science, ya know.  If my hypothesis gets disproved, so be it.

subliminal message to nonnie readers:
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Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, February 11, 2006, 5:45am; Reply: 3
I prefer brewer's yeast.  I really hate the smell of nutritional yeast but will sprinkle a little bit here and there for the benefit.  I've run out of brewer's yeast for the time being!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 11, 2006, 6:16am; Reply: 4
Vicki,
I m not sure, but Cheryl, I think, mentioned BY as being in the diabetes food lists.

hope she sees this post later on and can specify what I think I read in one of her posts.)
Posted by: 774 (Guest), Saturday, February 11, 2006, 8:54pm; Reply: 5
I can't vote, I have no idea what nutritional yeast is.  :B
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 11, 2006, 11:17pm; Reply: 6
Quoted Text
nutritional yeast is what they call "primary grown for human consumption", in
other words, it is grown on media (such as beets) ,  the flavor is far better
, nutritive value, too, .  Brewer's yeast, on the other hand, is a byproduct
of the beer brewing industry, grown on hops, and can be (depending on the
brand) extremely bitter.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Sunday, February 12, 2006, 3:14am; Reply: 7
... though some brands seem to use the two terms interchangeably.

Best thing is to taste several kinds and see which one you prefer.

My vote definitely goes to KAL Nutritional Yeast Flakes.
Posted by: carmen, Sunday, February 12, 2006, 7:04am; Reply: 8
Don't actually mind the taste of nutritional yeast, really quite savoury once it's mixed in, but boy the smell puts me off. Have to psych myself up to spoon some in, then actually enjoy it. Like vit B, if I eat/take it after about midday, have huge problems getting to sleep at night.
can't stand brewer's yeast tho.

:) carmen
Posted by: ruthie, Monday, February 13, 2006, 1:30pm; Reply: 9
As I recall{don't bet on it} back when I owned a HFS over 30 years ago, all the yeast was called 'brewers'.  And as I recall it was very bitter.  I had to convince people to use it in a way to mask the flavor.
The only yeast my local HFS sells is Kal, and I like it.
namaste
ruthie
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, February 13, 2006, 2:16pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Sandraruba
I can't vote, I have no idea what nutritional yeast is.  :B

Quoted from ruthie
...back when I owned a HFS over 30 years ago, all the yeast was called 'brewers'.  And as I recall it was very bitter.  I had to convince people to use it in a way to mask the flavor. The only yeast my local HFS sells is Kal, and I like it.
namaste, ruthie


For a great primer on all things nutritional yeast, as well as on the diff between nutri. and brewer's yeasts, go here:  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC,m=1118646096

Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Monday, February 13, 2006, 5:29pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from lola
Vicki,
I m not sure, but Cheryl, I think, mentioned BY as being in the diabetes food lists.

hope she sees this post later on and can specify what I think I read in one of her posts.)


I don't recall where Brewer's yeast falls on the lists, but it is mentioned in the protocols as an alternate to chromium supplementation.  I meant to buy Brewer's yeast, naturally high in chromium, but bought nutritional yeast by mistake.  I've only used the nutritional yeast in protein smoothies where the taste wouldn't be very prominent.  If it has a cheesy flavor, it could be the solution to my cheese cravings, but I haven't really tried it for that purpose.  I can't imagine just eating a spoon of it.  I'd probably sprinkle it on other foods, like veggies and eggs.

Most comments I've seen about Brewer's yeast is that it tasted bad, so I assume the two are different.  I'd probably try to find Brewer's yeast in capsules so I don't have to taste it.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, February 13, 2006, 5:45pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from cherylhcmba
I don't recall where Brewer's yeast falls on the lists...

For O's (as well as for all other types, btw), it is neutral for secretors, beneficial for non-secretors.
Quoted from cherylhcmba
If it has a cheesy flavor, it could be the solution to my cheese cravings, but I haven't really tried it for that purpose.

It really has a unique flavor, but the best way to describe it to one who hasn't experienced it (although, like I said, it is unique and way more complex than this suggests) is "nutty"...but that doesn't really do it justice.  I have used it in certain dishes in which it could be considered as a cheese substitute, such as rice pasta with marinara sauce and a lot of nutritional yeast, as in that case, it takes on sort of a "cheesy" role, subbing for parmesan.
Quoted from cherylhcmba
I can't imagine just eating a spoon of it.  I'd probably sprinkle it on other foods, like veggies and eggs.

For ideas on how to use nutritional yeast, as well as how NOT to use it (lol), go to the link to the sticky thread on nutritional yeast, which I provided in my last post in this thread.
Quoted from cherylhcmba
Most comments I've seen about Brewer's yeast is that it tasted bad, so I assume the two are different.  I'd probably try to find Brewer's yeast in capsules so I don't have to taste it.

Again, off to the link with you, as the diff 'twixt the two is discussed therein as well.
:D

Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Monday, February 13, 2006, 5:56pm; Reply: 13
Lola was talking about the classification in the Diabetes book, not Typebase 4.  That's what I don't recall.  Nevermind, forgot that the Diabetes info is in Typebase 4.

I noticed over the weekend that I had penciled in nutritional yeast by the brewer's yeast entry in LR4YT, so there must have been a clarification posted at http://www.dadamo.com.  It would be nice if that were updated in Typebase 4, as you have suggested.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Monday, February 13, 2006, 8:08pm; Reply: 14
That sticky thread is a long one!  Those who just want to know the exact difference between NY and BY can go directly to Paul's encyclopedic post #40 (on page 2).  Here's the link again:  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC,v=display,m=1118646096,s=0.  The two terms (nutritional yeast and brewer's yeast) are sometimes used interchangeably, however.  In fact, just about everybody's favorite, KAL Nutritional Yeast Flakes, used to be sold as "Brewer's Yeast."

Jill, I've posted a recipe for "cheese" sauce over on the sticky thread.

That thread also gives Edna's original recipe for yeast spread, to wit:

Edna's Spectacular Toast Spread:

Mix together:

2 parts dark toasted sesame oil (use other oil that is compliant)
1 part nutritional yeast flakes
1 dash** lemon juice
1 dash sea salt
optional: mashed roasted garlic, to taste

Edna -- I'm guessing that the ** means "optional" -- or what?

By the way, it was a long-running thread like that one that gave me the idea for using the signature area as an Explicit Declaration of Names Addendum (see "Screen Name History" on the Little Fishes forum: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=rost,m=1138855640).
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Tuesday, February 14, 2006, 10:27am; Reply: 15
PT,

I don't take NY at all!!

cocky 8)




Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, February 14, 2006, 1:50pm; Reply: 16
I LOVE IT, LOVE IT LOVE IT!!!!!!!! :D :D :D      :)

Debra
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, February 16, 2006, 12:41am; Reply: 17
Love it!  (also!)

I love the taste, smell, texture, and I find that it improves the taste of just about anything I could get it into.  Although I only eat about 2 T a day.  

It feels like real food to my body, nourishing in a way that my body wants!

GO NONNIES!  :-)
Posted by: pipnjohn, Thursday, February 16, 2006, 4:37am; Reply: 18
I like it to taste but boy oh boy does it beat the hell out of me, it really makes me sick as hell!
Candida outbreak ahoy, get ready to flourish, nutritional yeast coming, go mad.
To hell with any kind of yeast!!   >:(  John.

PS: I didn't vote, no category for me to vote in!
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, February 17, 2006, 9:38am; Reply: 19
Poor John  :'(

Sounds like me & onions/garlic -- I love the taste, but they sure do mess with my nerves!

:o

So I leave 'em alone!
Posted by: Vicki, Friday, February 17, 2006, 1:48pm; Reply: 20
Brewer's yeast sold today is very different from nutritional yeast flakes.  

The Brewer's yeast is by Lewis Labs and the can states:  superb taste, exceptional nutritional content
This is the only Brewer's Yeast that actually tastes good!  Absolutely NO after-taste.  Totally digestible.  It will change your idea of what Brewer's Yeast really is.  This premium yeast is grown on sugar beets which are known to absorb nutrients from the soil faster than almost any other crop.  As a result, this yeast is exceptionally rich in Selenium, Chromium, Potassium, Magnesium, Sodium, Copper, Manganese, Iron, Zinc and other factors natural to yeast.  Gluten free.


























































 Brewer's Nutritional
Serving size 30 grams 16 grams
Calories 116 45
Protein 16 g 8 g
Sodium 63 mg 5 mg
Total Carbohydrates 13 g 5 g
 Dietary Fiber 6 g 4 g
 Sugars 0 g 1 g
Total Fat 0 g 0.5 g
Thiamin B-1 80% RDI 640% RDI
Riboflavin B-290% RDI570% RDI
Niacin 50% RDI280% RDI
Iron 10% RDI 4% RDI
Pyridoxine 40% RDI n/a
Folic Acid 15% RDI 60% RDI
Vitamin B12 5% 130%
Magnesium 8% RDI 6% RDI
Zinc 10% RDI20% RDI
Copper 50% RDI6% RDI
Biotin 5% RDI 8% RDI
Manganese n/a6% RDI
Molybendum n/a 8% RDI
Vitamin B-6 n/a 480% RDI
Phosphorus n/a 15% RDI
Pantothenic Acid 6% RDI 10% RDI
       
Inositol 101.4 mg 78.8 mg
choline 126mg 64mg
RNA/DNA 2 g 1.28 - 1.44 g
PABA 0.79 mg n/a
Selenium 63 mcg 30% RDI
Chromium 190 mcg n/a
Potassium 633 mcg 320 mg
Lithium n/a 64 mcg
Nickel n/a 32 mcg
Tin n/a 12.8 mcg
     
AMINO ACIDS Brewer's Nutritional
Alanine 1326 mg 544 mg
Arginine 1047 mg 384 mg
Aspartic Acid 1350 mg896 mg
Cystine 213 mg 80 mg
Glutamic Acid 1800 mg  1456 mg
Glycine 645 mg 384 mg
Histidine 357 mg 192 mg
Isoleucine 717 mg 384 mg
Leucine 876 mg 592 mg
Lysine 882 mg 704 mg
Methionine 259 mg 128 mg
Phenylalanine 675 mg 352 mg
Proline 405 mg 336 mg
serine 624 mg 432 mg
threonine 956 mg 432 mg
tryptophan 303 mg 80 mg
tyrosine 912 mg 304 mg
valine 912 mg 464 mg


Brewer's yeast also contains the following mineral and trace elements:  calcium, chromium, iron, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, potassium, selenium, silicon, sodium, zinc

The ingredients of the Brewer's Yeast is simply brewer's yeast.

The ingredients of the KAL nutritional yeast is yeast, niacin, pyridoxine HCl, thiamine HCl, Riboflavin, and Vitamin B-12.

CAVEATS: I may have made errors, n/a simply means the data wasn't on the can - trace elements are mentioned for some but no amounts given, note the portion sizes are different, the data came from two cans that I simply have on hand, the nutritional information could change at any time - contact the manufacturer or your actual can for up to date information.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, February 17, 2006, 5:06pm; Reply: 21
The yeast that Vicki describes is not a by-product of the brewing industry, so I wonder why they call it Brewers.  I thought that was what distinguished brewers from nutritional yeast.  ??
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, February 17, 2006, 7:43pm; Reply: 22
Exactly, Victoria -- I'm not sure that anyone is selling actual recycled brewer's yeast any more.  When the same organism is grown for human consumption, most companies call it nutritional yeast, but a few still call it brewer's yeast.  When good ol' KAL flakes was sold in a yellow paper bag, it was called brewer's yeast.  The name may have changed about same time that they switched to the big can, but I didn't notice until recently, because the product looks and tastes exactly the same.

Has anyone besides Vicki tasted the Lewis Labs yeast lately?  I tasted it only once, years ago, and -- well, maybe it didn't have an aftertaste, but the before taste was pretty nasty!  Seems like I heard someone else make a similar comment around here somewhere, but Vicki's report makes me wonder whether that other comment may also have been based on an outdated experience.

Then there are (or at least were) other species of yeast also sold as nutritional supplements.  Does anyone still sell torula yeast?

The only way to determine which brewer's/nutritional yeast is best for you is to a) compare the nutritional information on the labels, b) buy one or more brands and try them in a recipe such as Edna's Spread (see post # 14, above), and then c) wait for any digestive effects.
Posted by: Vicki, Friday, February 17, 2006, 7:47pm; Reply: 23
The nutrients for Lewis Labs brewer's yeast is totally different from the nutrients in KAL's nutritional yeast flakes.  They are definitely different products.  

Lewis Labs grow their yeast on sugar beets.  KAL grows their yeast, Saccharomyces Cerevisiae, on molasses.  

I suspet that Lewis Labs uses the yeast species that is typically used by brewer's, hence the name.  I will contact them to find out if this is true.

Posted by: Victoria, Friday, February 17, 2006, 10:23pm; Reply: 24
Vicki, does Lewis Labs yeast have a better nutritional profile than KAL?
Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, February 18, 2006, 12:18am; Reply: 25
Victoria, they are different.  It depends on your needs which one is more appropriate for you at any given time.  I was hoping someone else would type in the info from the KAL container :-)
Posted by: Laura P, Saturday, February 18, 2006, 12:26am; Reply: 26
So Vicki, what needs would each one fill differently
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 18, 2006, 12:36am; Reply: 27
typebase has brewers
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?460
but no nutritional
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 18, 2006, 12:38am; Reply: 28
John,
found a quote by Heidi on NY.)

Quoted Text
Nutritional yeast itself is perfectly fine on Candida diets. First, it's not a live yeast (like baker's yeast). Second, Candida albicans is a totally different organism from the baker's yeast and brewers' yeast critters -- it's called 'yeast,' but it's worlds apart. I think nutritional yeast is a very helpful supplement for intestinal dysbiosis, in fact.
Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, February 18, 2006, 2:12pm; Reply: 29
Nutritional yeast has the same values as brewer's yeast for blood type diet use.  
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, February 18, 2006, 6:59pm; Reply: 30
Thanks Lola and Vicki,
I was curious about the nutritional content of the two.  I believe that you (Vicki) had said that they contained different amounts of vitamins?
Posted by: Laura P, Saturday, February 18, 2006, 7:19pm; Reply: 31
yes me too
Posted by: Vicki, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 1:17am; Reply: 32
I've modified my post with info from both.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 3:36am; Reply: 33
Hey,
Thanks, Vicki for taking the time to do that for us!  Not that Laura and I twisted your arm or anything!  :-)  :-)

A lot of the ratios seem similiar, since the serving size is bigger for the BY than the NY.  So, it looks like the NY is "enriched" with some B vits and the BY is just naturally showing what occurs in it.
Posted by: Vicki, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 3:46am; Reply: 34
Chromium and copper levels are different, for instance.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 5:41am; Reply: 35
What is being compared here is not actually the difference between "brewer's yeast" and "nutritional yeast," but merely the difference between two brands of Saccharomyces cerevisiae.  Lewis chooses to use the traditional term "brewer's yeast" and KAL chooses to use the newer term "nutritional yeast."

The main difference between the two products, as has already been noted, is that the KAL product has been fortified with added B vitamins and the Lewis product has not.  There may also be some differences in how they were grown.  But these differences are not what separates "brewer's yeast" from "nutritional yeast" -- those are merely two different names for S. cerevisiae.

Think two cans of beans:  Brand X Chickpeas have salt added and Brand Y Garbanzos do not, but this does not mean that "chickpeas" contain more sodium than "garbanzos," because those are simply two different names for Cicer arietinum.

By the way, Lola may already have noticed that the yeast's species name, cerevisiae, looks a heck of a lot like "cerveza" -- the Spanish word for beer!
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 5:54am; Reply: 36
Here are links to the two manufacturers' web pages for their respective yeast products, just in case you want to see for yourself that they're both Saccharomyces cerevisiae:

Lewis Laboratories Brewer's Yeast: http://www.lewis-labs.com/products/brewersyeast.htm

KAL Nutritional Yeast: http://www.nutraceutical.com/search/view_product.cfm?product_index=38000

Note also that Lewis says their product "is not derived from the brewing process" and KAL describes theirs as "primary grown for human consumption" -- again, two different ways of saying the same thing.

Posted by: Vicki, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 1:01pm; Reply: 37
The main difference is that one is grown on beets and one is grown on molasses.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 7:39pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Vicki
The main difference is that one is grown on beets and one is grown on molasses.


Maybe this would be the reason the tastes are different and different people prefer one instead of the other.

And thanks, Carol, for digging up that info on yeast.  This is an informative discussion.  I like hearing all these bits of knowledge from you all!
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 8:34pm; Reply: 39
thanks Carol! )

salud!!!  ''hick!!''
Posted by: EquiPro, Sunday, February 19, 2006, 9:31pm; Reply: 40
I ADORE, ADORE nutritional yeast AND I'm a secretor, BUT I'm a secretor whose body seems to behave more like a non-secretor in that I am grain and sugar sensative.
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, February 21, 2006, 9:09pm; Reply: 41
I just looked at KAL's website and was amazed to see that all this time that I have using a slightly different product....imported yeast...it's different than the nutritional yeast.  The last time I looked for the flakes at WF they were out so I bought the ones in the yellow and green can, thought it was the same but now I'm not so sure.  In any case, I've been putting it on my eggs in the morning and I like it.  Does anyone know whether there's any reason not to use the imported nut. yeast as oppossed to the yeast flakes?
Jane
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Tuesday, February 21, 2006, 9:35pm; Reply: 42
Jane -- According to KAL's web site, the Imported Yeast is "Primary grown Unfortified Imported Nutritional Yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae)."  So it's the same species as their Nutritional Yeast Flakes, but it does not have any extra vitamins added.  If I'm reading the microscopic photo of the label correctly, it's grown on molasses, the same as the flakes.

I have used this product in the past, and as I recall, it's a powder rather than flakes.  If you want to use it in a recipe that calls for yeast flakes, use only about half as much, because the powder is more compact.

It has less of certain vitamins than the flakes do, but that's because the vitamins have been added to the flakes -- which I don't feel is the same thing as eating a food that naturally contains those vitamins, more like taking a vitamin pill.

Since you like the taste, I can't think of any reason not to use this product.
Posted by: Molly, Wednesday, March 29, 2006, 5:52pm; Reply: 43
HI,  I've added Brewer's Yeast to my home made mayonnaise along with other spices for a salad dressing.  I don't store it that way but add it just as I'm making my salad.  Do you know if the brewer's yeast would holds its nutritional value if I did store this "salad dressing" in the refrigerator?  Is it only heating that decreases nutritional value?
Molly
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 29, 2006, 8:27pm; Reply: 44
I believe it is heat, light and air that would affect its nutritional value.
Posted by: RHTeacher, Saturday, April 29, 2006, 2:11am; Reply: 45
I just checked my cabinet and it is Lewis Labs Brewer's Yeast that I have at the moment.  I put it in my morning protein shakes several times per week.
Posted by: Joyce, Saturday, April 29, 2006, 8:39am; Reply: 46
I like both NY and BY.

Joyce
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Wednesday, March 21, 2007, 6:30pm; Reply: 47
wellll, what can I say? I love it! It is cheesy. I sprinkle it on toast with ghee...heaven. I've been eating it since I was a barefoot hippy back in the day! My kids loved it too.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 22, 2007, 5:27pm; Reply: 48
After trying unsuccessfully for a couple of years to figure out what is causing flatulence, I tried eliminating the NY from my morning fruit smoothie.  Instantly the difference could be felt!  Absolutely amazing.  
I really love Nutritional Yeast, and I'll try it later on some non-fruit foods.  I'm hoping that is why it was causing the gas.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Thursday, March 22, 2007, 5:41pm; Reply: 49
yes, Victoria, it can cause gas, but if you start getting used to it slowly, you can bump up the emount slowly...and I never take it with anything sweet...try it on your rice cracker with tahini or ghee......
Posted by: Heidi, Monday, February 25, 2008, 11:28pm; Reply: 50
Another old poll  :)

I love it on popcorn, rice and sprinkled over melted butter on corn tortillas.

It's a black dot aviod now along with corn, so it will be a rare treat for me from now on. (and butter is of course out)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, March 1, 2008, 3:17am; Reply: 51
As Heidi already mentioned, it is a black dot for Explorers.
I liked the nutrional claims made for nutritional yeast,
but I could not actually tell any health benefit from consuming nutritional yeast. Now I find out I should not have been using it.
Posted by: Seraffa, Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 2:07am; Reply: 52
Peppie I can't vote it right because I love it, it supposed to be my neutral, but it starts something inside of me that makes me sick 2 days later. I think my body recognises it as candida, not sterilized nutritious protein.
:-/
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 12:27pm; Reply: 53
My kittens who eat raw LOVE nutritional yeast, and will eat it plain, if I let them.
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