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Posted by: Monika, Friday, February 3, 2006, 11:55pm
I was wondering if it is common for nonnies to have gum inflamation (sp)
I have been dealing with this problem for the past few years. At one point I had to have 2 dental cleaning a year, now I am going once a year. It did get better after I started using sonicare toothpaste and flossing daily. I have improved but the inflamation is still there. Everytime I have a cleaning, it is extremaly painfull (I bleed quite a bit)  :(

I was wondering if anyone had a luck with topical applications of folic acid or any other nutrients. Or perhaps oral supplementations.

Also, I have been reading about using plain soap to clean teeth. Has any one tried this gross sounding method.

P.S. I have learned not to have a dental cleaning during PMS. The gums are extra sensitive during that time

Monika  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 4, 2006, 3:54am; Reply: 1
I believe one of our very dear moderators has been doing this with great success......!!!

perhaps you would want to contact him......
Yaman is his name, an O secretor)
Posted by: zola, Saturday, February 4, 2006, 4:27am; Reply: 2
I am a nonnie, 33 years young and this is the first year I've ever had a cavity. I have ALWAYS had issues with my gums - even with daily flossing.

My gums have gotten TONS better with using my Sonicare vibrating toothbrush. It came free with my initial dental exam. This is a pretty common practice among dentists in our state and I assume in the U.S. in general - so please inquire (they are over $100 in the store that I've seen).

Anaerobic bacteria that get dislodged when we have dental work/surgery can be a serious health risk - especially if they get to the heart and set up shop. This is why dentists make their patients take preventative antibiotics before dental surgery.

This would make me assume that it's best to swish and spit out after flossing because we don't want to ingest those anaerobic bacteria. (They are some of the smelliest bacteria by the way - when compared to aerobic bacteria!)

Dentists stress using a mouthwash like Listerine (or their house brand at $10 a bottle) to cut down on the very real risk of anaerobic bacteria setting up shop in our bodies. Listerine has been touted as a heart medicine for this reason! As nonnies we are far more at risk because we don't have antibodies doing the frontline work against germs that secretors do.

So, to make a long story short (LSS)...
floss daily & swish & spit... be sure to brush when you get up and before you go to bed...use a good mouthwash (soak your toothbrush in it too once a week or so)....brush your tongue... and look into the super cleaning power of a sonicare toothbrush.

Oh, and get your teeth cleaned every 6 months.

P.S. I don't have much plaque either. Lucky me. :) I asked the dentist why and he said it was probably due to the pH balance of my mouth. I know that amylase is released in your saliva, the enzyme that breaks down starches. My theory is that as an A I have higher levels of amylase and that keeps the plaque population down.
Posted by: zola, Saturday, February 4, 2006, 4:32am; Reply: 3
Vitamin C is supposed to play a part in keeping the bleeding down. (?) Possibly due to it's tissue healing attributes.

I've also noticed that my body is more 'permeable' premenstrually and I'm more at risk for diarrhea, intestinal upsets and catching whatever is going around.

If you are going in for DENTAL SURGERY look up Dr. D'Adamo's recommendations for each of the blood types when they have to take antibiotics. Eat Right For Your Type has notes on which ones work well for each type and potentially problematic ones - and for supplements to take to keep things in balance when the antibiotics put things out of whack.
Posted by: Monika, Saturday, February 4, 2006, 6:26pm; Reply: 4
Thanks, Lola. Is Yaman on this board?

Zola,
I agree, the Sonicare made a big difference, but it is still not a solution.
I do have a good amount of plaque and that's why I am considering switching to soap as a toothpaste. But just the thought of it makes me uneasy :o
Right now I am using Doctor Burt's toothpaste, as it is almost free of avoids and it contains no SLS.

Monika

Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 4, 2006, 11:11pm; Reply: 5
I ll PM him, so he takes a peak in here! )
Posted by: zola, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 4:02am; Reply: 6
Monika - what is SLS? Tom's of Maine is makes a nice mint toothpaste - does that work for you?
If a patient has periodontal/gingivitis disease they will bleed when their teeth are cleaned. Hope I've shared something you don't already know. :)
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 4:27am; Reply: 7
I use an electric toothbrush.  I swish with Tooth and Gums tonic from the Dental Herb Company (DHC).  It’s expensive through.  Is Listerine good for us?  If so, it would be cheaper than what I use.  I alternate between the expensive DHC toothpaste and Toms of Maine.  I bought an expensive water pick system, but never use it.  I hate it.  My gums have been sore this week.  It could be from all the gum I’m chewing.  I’m also bad about flossing.  
Posted by: Don, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 4:31am; Reply: 8
I bought some Herbodent toothpaste to try about 6 weeks ago. I really like it and I think it has been very good for my gums, and teeth. I plan to buy more.  Right now I am trying to convince my kids how good it is.

http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/clean/teeth.html
Follow the link at the bottom of the page to read the rest of the information.
Posted by: zola, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 4:34am; Reply: 9
I heard somewhere that gum chewing isn't good. Something about getting the stomach all excited with the saliva that it produces and then not giving it food to go with it. (side note - have you looked at what is in gum? I threw out my last pack because of all the additives. I have seen some 'natural' gum out there tho.)

Consistent flossing is important to keep the gums from bleeding. When I do it frequently the bleeding is practically nil. I really don't enjoy it much either because my teeth are close together. Come to think of it :) I never knew anyone who enjoyed flossing. But the benefits are undeniable. My dad is an obsessive Type  A and I think he takes some odd pleasure in it. He's a neat and tidy germanic type though :)
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 4:40am; Reply: 10
Quoted from ironwood55

http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/clean/teeth.html
Follow the link at the bottom of the page to read the rest of the information.


Your link mentioned:
“The Ayurvedic and medicinal properties of the Babul tree (Acacia Arabica) are also well known. This natural ingredient strengthens the root of the teeth, cleans and maintains the whiteness of the teeth.”
“Neem Twigs have been used by thousands of people for hundreds of years as an extremely effective method of total oral hygiene.”
I was in southern India last March/April to help build an orphanage for the children who lost their parents in the tsunami.  The native workers were poor, but had beautiful teeth.  Every morning they pulled the twigs off a tree on the grounds and brushed their teeth with it.  I tried it too.  It made my mouth feel fresh.

Posted by: yaman, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 10:40am; Reply: 11
yawn! Was somebody calling me ;D

Hi Monika,

I have been experimenting "no toothpaste" for the last 14 months. Normally I needed a dental plaque removal every three months when I was using toothpaste, now it's well over a year and I haven't had one yet, though I now have developed a few plaques during the last couple of weeks. So I do believe I do better without toothpaste.

Normally I brush my tooth with plain tap water. If I eat something fatty/greasy, I brush with olive oil soap. Every other day I rinse my mouth with 3% hydrogen peroxide and brush with water.

I've read somewhere that the glycerine in toothpaste is one of the major culprits for plaques, by sticking the bacteria on the tooth enamel and feeding them. That may be the explanation to my delayed plaqueing ;D

Hope this helps,
Yaman

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, February 5, 2006, 11:49am; Reply: 12
ooooh this nice and bride smile of this yamaniboy's schmilings :D ;D  ;).... irx olive oil soap.... gurgle...gurgle... gurgle... very :P isn't it??) this remembers me when young and I said some *un-gentle* words I was obliged to rinse my mouth with soap... ::) :P :P :P  savon de Marsaille....bääää
I tried really all... but without any effect... highest dosage of Vit. C.... nothing - dito with P ditoo B-complex dito Q10... girls and guys... nothing happened and nothing changed just my nonie-mouth without any doubt ::) :B :X .......
so the last thingie to do is... ptui...all out and no more in ::) ;) not even implantations because I think and feel that it won't work in *my* mouth because of my nonniehood!!!!!  and I am up-feeded with such problems... so far I am searching for mental and dental peace ;) :D .........
Posted by: Monika, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 7:08pm; Reply: 13
Zola, try this link about sodium lauryl sulfate
http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sodium-laureth-sulfate.html

Yaman:
Thanks for the info about no toothpaste routine.

Don: That indian toothpaste sounds great. My DH is from India and he mentioned about the neem being very good. His teeth are perfect (not even 1 cavity all his life)
Would you be so kind and tell me if the ingredients that are mentioned on the website are in the toothpaste without any foaming agants, like sodium lauryl sulfate. It's great that there is no glycerin. This sounds like a great toothpaste.

Monika
Posted by: Laura P, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 7:27pm; Reply: 14
i use weleda natural salt toothpaste floride and sls free, it is the best thing I 've used other than nothing
Posted by: Monika, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 7:31pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from lkpetrolino
i use weleda natural salt toothpaste floride and sls free, it is the best thing I 've used other than nothing


I tried that toothpaste, it was making my teeth yellow ;D  plus it contains glycerin, which I am trying to avoid

Monika ;)
Posted by: Don, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 7:44pm; Reply: 16
Herbodent manufacturer's website with ingredients list: http://www.jaikaranherbal.com/herbcare.html
Posted by: Monika, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 7:47pm; Reply: 17
Thans, Don. This answered my question, it does contain glycerine  :'(
Monika
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Sunday, February 5, 2006, 11:55pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from yaman

Normally I brush my tooth with plain tap water. If I eat something fatty/greasy, I brush with olive oil soap. Every other day I rinse my mouth with 3% hydrogen peroxide and brush with water.

I've read somewhere that the glycerine in toothpaste is one of the major culprits for plaques, by sticking the bacteria on the tooth enamel and feeding them.



Interesting.  My health-food-store toothpaste does contain glycerin, so I'm going to try not using it and see if I can tell a difference.

One thing that does seem to help my teeth is an occasional brushing with baking soda to remove stains.  This may be a little hard on teeth, though, so should be used only as needed.

My dentist says that anyone with metal in their mouth (fillings, bridges, etc.) should not rinse with peroxide.  He does recommend it for others, however.
Posted by: Don, Monday, February 6, 2006, 12:35am; Reply: 19
The glycerine issue with teeth has been brought up before, but I don't think any reference has been quoted. I would still like to see the source of information.

As a cleaning agent, baking soda is less abrasive than virtually any other cleaning agent used in toothpastes.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Monday, February 6, 2006, 1:49am; Reply: 20
Quoted from ironwood55

Quoted from http://myoralcare.com/questions
As a cleaning agent, baking soda is less abrasive than virtually any other cleaning agent used in toothpastes.


Right, Don -- but those "other cleaning agents" are typically dispersed in quite a lot of sorbitol, glycerine, SLS, etc., which would presumably tend to dull their abrasiveness -- whereas when I use baking soda, I use just plain baking soda, which would tend to intensify its abrasiveness.  Besides, once in a while is quite sufficient for dealing with my stains.

Hmmm, was just thinking about the recommendation I've seen on Dr. Bronner's mint liquid soap, to use just a drop on one's toothbrush as "mint toothpaste."  Went to check the ingredients, though what I have is the unscented version, and found this:

"Water, Saponified Organic Coconut & Organic Olive Oils (w/ Retained Glycerin), Organic Hemp Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Citric Acid, Vitamin E."

If I'm reading this correctly, naturally-produced olive-oil soap will contain some naturally-occurring glycerin.  What are your thoughts on this, Yaman?
Posted by: crkcrk (Guest), Friday, February 24, 2006, 11:29am; Reply: 21
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Consistent flossing is important to keep the gums from bleeding. When I do it frequently the bleeding is practically nil. I really don't enjoy it much either because my teeth are close

not sure if i got this quote box right? from zola

I use glide floss because of this reason, when i do floss that is i hate it too, I brush regular, ....but i still end up with a cavity if i skip regular dental cleanings.  In fact already have a mouth full of fillings mostly from childhood, as my parents didn't take us to dentist unless we had pain, no preventative care other than brushing. (i am not making the same mistake with my kids. they get reg. cleanings

As u can see I have no clue to my secretor status , but I am seriously considering getting it done.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, February 24, 2006, 1:35pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Monika
I was wondering if it is common for nonnies to have gum inflamation

Yup.  Two suggestions that help me a tad are:

1.  Take the supplement CoQ10 (I only take 30 mg per day, occasionally 60 mg).  This is a super antioxident that helps other antioxidents work, and among other health benefits, it is great for gum health.

2.  Purchase a little, 100% pure bottle of essential oil of tea tree.  I buy NOW brand tea tree oil at about $5.00 for a tiny bottle at the health food store, but you only need, literally, like 3 drops (I use anywhere from 3 to 6 drops, give or take) in a cup and then add tap water to make an antibacterial mouthwash.  One little bottle lasts months and months (I keep mine in the fridge), so it is economical as well as being very pure and effective.  Use this mouthwash at least once per day.

May the force be with you!  Yours in nonnieness, out!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, February 24, 2006, 1:42pm; Reply: 23
P.S.  Here is a link for info about CoQ10.  Scroll down to the blurb about periodontal disease:

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/CoenzymeQ10cs.html
Posted by: md, Saturday, February 25, 2006, 3:27am; Reply: 24
Quoted from ironwood55
The glycerine issue with teeth has been brought up before, but I don't think any reference has been quoted. I would still like to see the source of information.



Here's some info on using soap for cleaning the teeth, and you will find mention of glycerine in the article.
http://gerardjudd.com/goodteeth.htm
Posted by: proto, Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:57am; Reply: 25
I can't really floss but my dental hygienist adviced me to use one of those really soft and slim tooth picks made of plastic. They have worked really well and my gums no longer bleed. I used to have really rotten looking teeth because of drinking loads of tea but now I brush my teeth with an electrical toothbrush once a day and the teeth look quite a lot better as a result. With this device I tend to use tooth gel, because paste seems to break down more easily. This gel is also claimed to reduce some pains associated with sensitive gums. I also started to use mouth rinse by this drug company so I'm completely hooked:-) No I have get rid of the products by this company because they seem to support a group of experts that have taken the cause of making diets like BTD a laughing matter. Where I live the active agent in those dental products is potassium nitrate but in some other countries they use other agents like potassium chloride, triclosan and strontium. The use of sodium lauryl sulfate seems to be variable and I have tried to avoid this agent because it seems to trigger sores. I think I will move on to using a paste with CoQ10.
Posted by: greenfields, Saturday, February 25, 2006, 8:02pm; Reply: 26
I, too am a nonnie and have had gum problems. I find that the inflammation seems to be in direct relation to my hormones. Natural progesterone has helped me in that area, significantly.

I have recently been using Uncle Harry's All Natural Tooth Powder. Ingredients: Calcium carbonate (natural chalk), mustard seed powder, sea salt, natural plant essences.
http://www.uncleharrys.com
Posted by: CB, Saturday, March 25, 2006, 12:22pm; Reply: 27
Alpha Lipoic Acid makes a huge improvement.  CB.
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