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Posted by: 1470 (Guest), Monday, January 30, 2006, 1:15am
I was told vegetable glycerine as a sweetener is ok for nonnies but i can't kind it on type base listings.  Is it ok for ab nonnies?
Posted by: sue_ab, Monday, January 30, 2006, 1:22am; Reply: 1
Yes, just make sure it is [b][/b] 100%vegetable glycerin.

Sue.
Posted by: 1470 (Guest), Monday, January 30, 2006, 1:49am; Reply: 2
the brand I bought was NOW vegetable glcerine 100% pure.  The back of the bottle says it is a all-natural product derived entirely from vegetable oils, predinantly coconut oil.  If I'm not mistaken coconut oil is an avoid.  Where is the information posted about vegetable glycerine?
Posted by: sue_ab, Monday, January 30, 2006, 1:53am; Reply: 3
In the Ask Heidi column - I didn't keep the url link only part of the info but I will have a look and see if I can find it.

Sue.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 30, 2006, 2:29am; Reply: 4
I believe Heidi means honey is ok for AB secretors but not for nonnies.
Veg glycerin is ok for all as an alternative to sweetener.
Posted by: sue_ab, Monday, January 30, 2006, 5:02am; Reply: 5
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"Use some vegetable glycerin in place of sugar or honey (which is fine for AB secretors, but not for nons). It has a beneficial effect on blood sugar, and helps create the creaminess accomplished by gums in commercial frozen yogurt and ice cream. You can find it in health food stores, usually in the cosmetics section. "


Mandi, I agree with Lola, I also found that on Ask Heidi and feel that she means honey/sugar is ok for AB secretors and not nonnies (as per typebase), and that veg glycerin is ok.

There was a long post from Heidi explaining the ins and outs of veg glycerin, am still hopeful of either finding it or someone will post a link.

Sue.
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Monday, January 30, 2006, 8:26pm; Reply: 6
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Glycerine
Posted By: Peter D'Adamo
Date: Thursday, 14 February 2002, at 7:39 a.m.
In Response To: Concern over new O Bar carb vs. protein content (Dianne in L.A. (O nonnie))
Glycerine in a humectant. It is not a 'main ingredient' in the bar formula, since by far the main ingredient is the protein blend (egg/rice). Glycerine(ol) is a trihydric alcohol, (not a carbohydrate) and is the building block of all plant oils and nearly all animal fats. Without a humectant to hold moisture, any bar would be a rock-solid brick within hours of production. Glycerine is the only effective humectant that can be used by non-secretors, since it can be shunted to either fat metabolism or glucose production, depending on metabolic status. Glycerine can be a carb on occasion, a fat precursor on occasion, a phosphoglyceride precursor on occasion, and it can simply pass through the body unused. For non-secretors, this is perfect. Thus, although it is there for moisture retention, it also tends to optimize fat<->carb<->fat conversion which is genetically a problem with non-secretors.
The mentor that introduced me to the concept that lectins can exert metabolic effects in hampering weight loss was fond of having his patients drink glycerine as a way 'prime' the conversion of fat cell bound glycerol back to glycogen-glucose.
The ratios were designed to optimize delivery. To put a 'Zone-like' spin on them ignores the fact that the Zone cares nothing about the choice of foods that goes into the ratios.


I found this recently about veg glycerin.  If you search the site for glycerine this should come up somewhere.  Reminder to self, searching for glycerin or glycerine may pull up additional info on vegetable glycerin.
Posted by: Connect, Wednesday, February 1, 2006, 6:32am; Reply: 7
How is veggie glycerin in espresso?
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Thursday, December 28, 2006, 11:04pm; Reply: 8
Hello,
I received my veggie glycerine today in the mail and tried it in smoothie I made.  It was very good!  My son really liked it too, both of them in fact.  It is super sweet!  Yet, I didn't feel any head rush or anything like I do with raw honey!  I am amazed!  It is really true that I couldn't handle the honey, especially now that I see the difference in the glycerine.  

Thanks for all the good info on the glycerine.  It gives me some sweet options but doesn't leave me craving for more either.  Blessings!
Posted by: Alia Vo, Friday, December 29, 2006, 3:48am; Reply: 9
Vegetable glycerine is a great sweetener for some people--especially those sensitive to sugar.  

Yes, only a little bit of vegetable glycerine is needed.  It is very sweet and from my own experiences, it can leave a metalic taste if overused.

Alia
Posted by: Whimsical, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:22am; Reply: 10
I've found that the higher quality vegetable glycerine (eg: from Azure Standard) does not leave a metallic taste.  Other brands (Heritage, Now) do, though.
Posted by: Vicki, Friday, December 29, 2006, 6:19am; Reply: 11
Whimsical, that's my experience too!  Azure Standard (gallon) is very inexpensive compared to Frontier brand!
Posted by: italybound, Monday, January 1, 2007, 6:02pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Vicki
Whimsical, that's my experience too!  Azure Standard (gallon) is very inexpensive compared to Frontier brand!


And compared to the Wilderness Family brand ($26.35 vs $45.00)  :o    
Tina thanks for starting this thread. I do use VG but don't find it as sweet as everyone says. Guess I'm one of the non-supertasters or the other way around. Or maybe it's just the brand. I do want to use it because of my hypoglycemia, so will give this a whirl. Tina, a cheaper outlet for you next order too, if you choose. :-)  
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 3:23am; Reply: 13
Where is the best place to get vegetable glycerine at the best price?  Someone mentioned Azure Standard (?) but I can't find it on the web.

Thanks!
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 3:32am; Reply: 14
http://www.azurestandard.com/
Posted by: Mary M., Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 5:25am; Reply: 15
Hello,
I'm new to the Forum and this is my first Post.

Vegetable Glycerin...it hadn't even entered my mind. It's not from Corn, is it?
Does anyone know from what vegetable it is from?
Thank you for the Azure website Mr. MoDon. Maybe it will hold the answer to my question.
Being an 0 Rh negative AND and a non-secretor...well, feels like an outsider so the company here is nice.
Tried the diet 10 years ago when the Eat Right book first came out but gained weight and couldn't keep up the rigouous exercise. Gave it up.
About 3 1/2 weeks ago my youngest daughter picked up the Live Right book and embarked on the BTD and so I followed suit. Let the coffee in the AM go, after 4 days I didn't think about it and did the secretor test.  The green tea only yesterday started to taste anywhere near "good".
Tried some Yerba Mate tea today, slight headache, still thinking about it. Can't locate it in Dr. D'Adamo's book. Is it legal for 0-Non?

1/8 tsp molasses in the green tea helps improve the experience but the vegetable glyerin seems like a much wiser choice on the face of it. WIll give it a whirl tomorrow.
Thank you for all the informative and interesting posts.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 5:39am; Reply: 16
Welcome to the forum Margaret!

The only thing you have to worry about vegetable glycerine is whether or not is is food grade.  Source in this instance doesn't matter.  Most is from palm sources.

Once you get settled into eating like a nonnie you will begin to see some real significant changes.

Again, welcome!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 3:53pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from ironwood55


Oh I just have to say I´m green with envy when I see all the stuff you US guys can get  :'(
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 5:32am; Reply: 18
I do have mate tea daily, in the morning.........the negative effect coffee had on me, has no comparison ........
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 7:08pm; Reply: 19
;-) It was really not the VG I was green with envy- it was some of the other good interesting stuff on the website !

Well as you know I do some baking ( 6 th generation homebaker girl- all my grannies cokingbook are ONLY stained at the cake chapter ;-D )
Just glad I am a B sec- can have the yummi honey my bees make - and maple sirup  and small amounts of sugar.
I have tasted VG - think it taste pretty :X too
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 9:17pm; Reply: 20
I believe members on this forum have expressed in various other vegetable glycerin threads in the past how different brands of vegetable glycerin lend various distinct tastes which may leave taste sensations including metallic, coyingly sweet, et al.  

Vegetable glycerin might be one food item product that an individual may need to experiment with until they find a brand that suits them.

Alia
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 6:34pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from KimonoKat
The only thing you have to worry about vegetable glycerine is whether or not is is food grade.  Source in this instance doesn't matter.  Most is from palm sources.


Margaret, a warm welcome to BTD and the forum!!  :)
KK, you say source doesn't matter? Really? If so, why not?
Posted by: Vicki, Tuesday, February 13, 2007, 6:36pm; Reply: 22
It is a highly refined product.  

From Heidi's column  http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/otd/archives/00000474.htm

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Heidi, In this column http://www.dadamo.com/columns/begin/ask2.pl?20021217.txt you posted the link to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html which can explain why some vegetable glycerine sources taste "metallic" or have a strong aftertaste. Vegetable glycerine is only as pure as they make it and will definitely contain some contaminants. From the biodiesel website, check the first paragraph under "separating the glycerine" (I've pasted below).

Anyhow, that's why I recommend only using "food grade" vegetable glycerine.

Separating the glycerine

What sinks to the bottom of the biodiesel processor during the settling stage is a mixture of glycerine, methanol, soaps and the lye catalyst. Most of the excess methanol and most of the catalyst remains in this layer. Once separated from the biodiesel, adding phosphoric acid to the glycerine layer precipitates the catalyst out and also converts the soaps back to free fatty acids (FFAs), which float on top. You're left with a light-colored precipitate on the bottom, glycerine/methanol/water in the middle, and FFA on top. The glycerine will be approx. 95% pure, a much more attractive product to sell to refiners.
Posted by: Don, Sunday, February 18, 2007, 1:28am; Reply: 23
Quoted from mondurvic
Just checked the Azure site and their VG is made from coconuts, which are an Avoid for me, a B.

Am I correct about this?

You are correct that the coconut is an avoid for you (type B), but that does not mean that VG made from coconut is an avoid for you. Vegetable glycerine is vegetable gylcerine. It doesn't matter about the source.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, February 18, 2007, 5:07am; Reply: 24
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We have no rating for malitol. It is one of the sugar alcohols. It's produced from dextrose, which is a corn product, but should contain no lectin after processing. My beloved vegetable glycerine is also a sugar alcohol ("glycerol"), which is made from palm or coconut oil instead -- once again, no lectins there once the glycerol is produced. So I'd say proceed with caution, but malitol's unlikely to harm you.

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/otd/archives/00000279.htm
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