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Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Saturday, September 24, 2005, 10:22pm
I started the program relatively seriously in July, not quite three months ago.  As time went by, I adhered more and more until (I thought) I was in near total adherence now.  I typed out the three food categories (beneficial, neutral & avoid) in small print and carry them to the grocery store.  I got the book from the library - what got me to try it (since I had previously scoffed) was the chapter on Type O ailments - a good many of which have plagued me for years.

I am 61.  I started at 240 pounds and now weight 193.  I no longer experience heartburn, acid reflux, flatulence, irritable bowel syndrome, sinus/allergy symptoms or lower back ache.  I am hoping my long-term skin problems will improve, and they have slightly, but not much.  I am ecstatic at how good I feel.

I walk a mile a day, and last week I stretched it to 2 miles one day and 3 the next.  I start working out at a health club (small, friendly neighborhood one - not big flashy "meat market" type - free to seniors) and am looking for a cheap used bicycle.

I love to cook, so I made it a fun project to come up with (and invent) yummy recipes using the beneficials (some of which recipes I've shared), and I was enjoying my new "gourmet" cuisine.

But for the first time (last week) I got a bit discouraged, and yesterday I had a little eating binge (first one).  I am determined not to stop but wanted to share what happened and perhaps get some feedback.  

First, in the book it said you didn't have to worry too much about calories and carbohydrates if you were adhering to the program - which I am.  So I mentioned drinking some pineapple juice in a post, and someone came back at me in almost attack mode that I was screwing up intaking so much sugar and so many carbs.  I didn't know that and am very disappointed as there aren't many juices for Os.  I was mixing pineapple juice with equal parts grape juice (neutral) and then a little club soda (beneficial) for a mid-day treat in lieu of a snack.  So even though it's a beneficial, I got strongly scolded for eating it.

Next I became aware of this secretor and non-secretor thing.  I was crushed.  Some of the foods I was enjoying aren't allowed for one or the other (usually the non-secretors).  I can't afford to order the test, and that's where I got into a funk.  What to do?  So today, with heavy heart, I looked up every food on my printed list of beneficials and neutrals and deleted all that are avoids for either O secretors or non-secretors, thus reducing what I can eating and eliminating some of my recipes.  But at least I'll not be out of compliance either way.

So what was clear-cut and easy for me is now not.  Apparently I still have to monitor sugar and carbohydrates (areas where I have failed when dieting over the years) and can't eat many of the things I thought were O beneficials (just in case I'm that type of secretor or non-secretor).  Gotta admit I'm a bit discouraged . . .
Posted by: Don, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 10:44pm; Reply: 1
First let me congratulate you on your success.

Quoted from gorillita
First, in the book it said you didn't have to worry too much about calories and carbohydrates if you were adhering to the program - which I am.  So I mentioned drinking some pineapple juice in a post, and someone came back at me in almost attack mode that I was screwing up intaking so much sugar and so many carbs.  I didn't know that and am very disappointed as there aren't many juices for Os.  I was mixing pineapple juice with equal parts grape juice (neutral) and then a little club soda (beneficial) for a mid-day treat in lieu of a snack.  So even though it's a beneficial, I got strongly scolded for eating it.


I think you are referring to the reply I made.  I am sorry if you took it wrong.  It was certainly not written as an attack or to tell you that you were "screwing up".  What I wrote was to try to shift your concern from fat-free to being more concerned about carbs as that is best for Os.

"No need to try to make fat-free foods. Type Os do better then any other type with good quality fats and oils.  You would be better off to try to reduce the number of carbs and sweets like the apple and grape juice, although your "Type O Cocktail" sounds tasty."

Many new people join the forum all the time coming with diet and nutrition ideas they have learned from many different sources.  I was just trying to provide you with some BTD advice.  Once again I am sorry if was not received in the spirit it was written.

Quoted from gorillita
Next I became aware of this secretor and non-secretor thing.  I was crushed.  Some of the foods I was enjoying aren't allowed for one or the other (usually the non-secretors).  I can't afford to order the test, and that's where I got into a funk.  What to do?  So today, with heavy heart, I looked up every food on my printed list of beneficials and neutrals and deleted all that are avoids for either O secretors or non-secretors, thus reducing what I can eating and eliminating some of my recipes.  But at least I'll not be out of compliance either way.


80% of the population are secretors.  You seemed to be maing great progress doing what you were doing why make drastic changes?  Maybe save up over time and get the saliva secretor test just to confirm what your type is.

Quoted from gorillita
So what was clear-cut and easy for me is now not.  Apparently I still have to monitor sugar and carbohydrates (areas where I have failed when dieting over the years) and can't eat many of the things I thought were O beneficials (just in case I'm that type of secretor or non-secretor).  Gotta admit I'm a bit discouraged . . .


The frequency quides in the book will help you eat the proper amounts of things.    However, everyone is an individual and some find they need to reduce their consumption of grains or some other carbs more to loose weight or control other health problems such as candida.

Posted by: northernstars, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 10:46pm; Reply: 2
There are people on the forum with much more experience and understanding of the diet than I possess.  However, you have an 80% chance of being a secretor and only a 20% chance of not.  If you have been feeling good AND losing weight, it is my guess you are probbly a secretor.  If I were you I would eliminate only the changes necessary for a non-secretor and re-enter all the neutral and beneficial foods for a secretor.  

As for your pineapple drink, the person that made the comment might just have been suggesting limitations due to the daily requirements.  Fruits and juices are suggested 1 cup or 1 piece three to five times daily.  Pineapple juice is even considered a super-beneficial food for people with diabetes!  Grapes and juice, however, are a neutral food.  Club soda is also a beneficial drink.  I personally think you chose a great combination for a beverage.

It sound like you are off to a great start, making tremendous health improvements, and developing health food combinations.  I hope you continue on with such an optimistic outlook.
Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Saturday, September 24, 2005, 10:49pm; Reply: 3
Thanks for your comments.  I'm not sure it was you, but it may have been.  The reason I'm not sure is that I have never worried about fats and know that Os can handle that.  I think when I suggested a recipe I said "and it's fat free too," but that was in case someone else was worrying about them.

I don't do apple juice at all because, although a neutral, it has always given me intense heartburn.  It was pineapple.

Thanks for the positive words.  If I am a secretor, then I'm fine, but if I'm a non-secretor, than I have to give up a bunch more stuff.  I'll try to save for the test (right now I was saving for an old bike).
Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Saturday, September 24, 2005, 10:53pm; Reply: 4
Thanks, Sharon in Kenai.  I lived in Alaska for many years.  I appreciate your post and am within the amounts for fruit juice as you state.
Posted by: MissileCop, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 10:55pm; Reply: 5
Woo-Hoo!!  Congratulations on the weight loss.  And the recovery of good health!  :)

Don't let the Pineapple Police get you down.  ;D  Every once in awhile is o.k., just don't make it a 'drink at every meal' kinda thing, and you'll be fine.  I do like the idea of how you mixed it with the other items.  Might just have to try that little concoction.  Thanks!  :K)

You're doing awesome!!  Don't let the little bumps in the road get ya'.  Every one has to find their own comfort and compliance level.  

*cough*  Where'd that 6 pounds just come from?  Oh, that's right, from the pizza I just ate the other day *cough*  ;)  ;D  Lost three of it, the other three will be gone in another day or two.  Am I cringing over it? Heck, no.  Life's too short to be stressin' over a couple of pounds.  Now, if I gain back the 34 I just lost, well, all right, I'll start cringin'.  :P

Part of what is so great about this journey is becoming familiar with how our body works and reacts to the different foods.  Once we understand how our body reacts, we can fine tune the diet to our own needs.  What may affect one O greatly, may have almost no impact on another O.  We're all unique.  

It doesn't matter what someone else says.  Ponder the advice given, and then do what you feel is right for you.  Adjust accordingly.  :K)  
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 3:41am; Reply: 6
gorillita,
continue doing what you re doing!!

don t let a day of binges bring you down.....
and stop having doubts as to whether youare doing the right thing or not.

you are doing the right thing!!! and it works!! )

so just keep on saving for that bike!
Posted by: mikeo, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 11:22am; Reply: 7
Gorilitta.....you are doing awesome and don't let a little binge sway you or get you down.
Keep doing what you have been doing and the binges will become fewer and farther inbetween.

If I needed a poster child for weight loss on this diet, I would choose you.

You are the Princess Furgy of the BTD!!
Posted by: Susana, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 12:43pm; Reply: 8
Hi Gorillita,

I have observed that often times temptation comes in similar ways as it has come to you.

It is in these little things that make us think the diet is too complicated, that one finds the excuse to indulge. These little things are just excueses >:(

Hold on to what you are doing. Do not change anything. You will soon get over this bump and you will realize what I am saying. Then you can make any changes you may feel can make you feel better.

Your body is going through mayor changes and it misses the old pads. It will be like a little child; it will sceam, yell... till it gets what it wants. Your reaction to other peoples behavior, perceived complications of diet... are just a way the body/brain has to get you into consuming the old pads.

Best of wishes and I look forward to some of you recepies.

:K)
Posted by: Howard, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 1:58pm; Reply: 9
Congratualtions gorillita! I remember a saying as a child that I haven't heard in years, "the proof is in the pudding". if you have lost 47 lbs in just over two months, and have eliminated or diminished a number of health problems, then you are on the right track! In fact, you seem to be on the fast track, your results are well above the norm. Don't let some people get you down if their advice is at odds with what works for you, you are the best judge of your body, its needs and its reactions.To quote another recent expression, "keep on keeping on"!
Posted by: Brighid45, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 3:08pm; Reply: 10
Gorillita, congrats on the returning good health and the weight loss! Sounds to me like you're doing just fine.

Don't let an occasional binge get you down. Most of us here can tell you stories about binges and giving in to temptation. It just means you're human and vulnerable, that's all. No big deal. Just keep on walkin' down the BTD road and you'll get where you want to go. :)

If you are looking for a bike, why not try freecycle? (www.freecycle.org) You might be able to find what you're looking for and it won't cost you a penny! :) Definitely worth a try.
Posted by: mikollecarroll (Guest), Sunday, September 25, 2005, 9:55pm; Reply: 11
I am a O+ and also found the non-secretor test to be pricey so I just ate like a normal O for a while and then found I still had symptoms (like skin irritations).  So I now I am eating like a non-secretor and feel much much better.  

The binges will happen but the yucky feeling will help remind you that you really don't want to binge.  

I have also found that I need to watch my carb intake and when you cut them out you find you don't think about them or crave then anymore.  When I eat even the slightest bit of grains or sugar I want to eat the whole container!  NO joke.  Then I feel terrible physically.  The syptoms the next day are not pleasant.

Also I find that if I drink pineapple juice it feeds the bacteria in my throut and I can barely swallow.  Really it is the sugars and the candida.
Posted by: Mickey, Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 6:49pm; Reply: 12
I agree with most here that "If it's not broken, why fix it!".  Your doing a great job and your success is above normal.  I'm betting you are a secretor because you have lost weight rapidly and you still consume grains/carbs.  Us non-secretors have a hard time losing weight and have to almost eliminate all grains and limit carbs.  Like Carroll said if she eats even the slightest grains/sugars she eats the whole container.  That is me in a nutshell, i think Edna (O non-secretor) has mentioned that this happens to her too.  

I have been on the BTD for awhile and i have never been soo in touch with my body.  Though i haven't lost a lot of weight i feel alot better.  I have confirmed that the allowable foods agree with me and the non-allowable foods disagree with me.  We are all individual and we have to listen to our bodies.  If this is working for you then why change a thing?.  Please don't doubt yourself because of other people, you are the only one who knows what's right for you.

Good Luck and keep us informed of your progress!
Mickey  ;)
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 7:16pm; Reply: 13
Gorillita,
It sounds to me like you are doing fabulously well. Congratulations.  We are all human and we occasionally eat things that we aren't supposed to.  The more you get into this way of life, the quicker your body will tell you when you've had something you shouldn't eat.  You just become more and more attuned to it.
There are times when I drink a lot of pineapple juice.  It's got bromelain in it which is good for reducing inflammation so for you it may be a good thing.  Just keep doing what you are doing and be proud of what you have accomplished so far.  It's a journey and you've taken the right road!
Jane
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 8:58pm; Reply: 14
Gorillita,
Great name by the way, if you have been told by dentists that you have good teeth,
it is another sign that you are probably a secretor.  If you have had cavity problems,
then perhaps you are a non-secretor.  Just another clue.  Also, I  did do the test
a few years back when I had some money.  I found I was a secretor, and my teeth
have been pretty strong.  I also know that pinto beans don't agree with me, so you
could experiment with some of the food items that go one way or the other, and
see if you react.  You may be able to figure out pretty closely if you are a secretor
or not.  But you sound like you  are doing well!  Keep it up!   ;)
Posted by: Lesley_Sharpe (Guest), Thursday, September 29, 2005, 2:10am; Reply: 15
Keep doing what you were doing - your weight loss says it all. Fantastic work. Doesn't Peter D'adamo say if you have not had the secretor test stick to the secretor diet?
I love pineapple juice too and hey if 1 glass of it a day helps us to stay on the diet why not. Wishing you good health
Posted by: mhameline, Thursday, September 29, 2005, 10:32pm; Reply: 16
I for one probably eat quite a few more carbs than is probably recommended through fruits and occassional fruit juices as well as rice products - but I just feel so much better if I get enough fruit and I've consistantly lost weight and when I'm not losing weight I'm losing inches and lately people have been commenting how I've lost a ton of weight but I probably haven't dropped a pound in over a month or so but my body shape must still be changing.  And I also don't even follow the recommended allowances of the amount of whatever I should be having - I just go by what feels right and avoid my avoids and I haven't had to worry about much else.  It's such a freeing way to eat for me personally - no counting carbs, fat grams, calories - I just don't have to do any of it and I continue to see great results.  This is the way God created me to eat - I'm convinced of it.  Before too much longer I'm going to have to figure out how to quit getting any smaller in fact which is definately a first for me!!  

Sounds like you are doing great - so keep on keeping on and stay strong and healthy and be encouraged!!  
Posted by: gorillita (Guest), Thursday, September 29, 2005, 10:43pm; Reply: 17
Thank you all for your support.  So nice to have a support system.  My "funk" only lasted a few days, and I got "back on the horse" and am doing fine.  I still have my "O Cocktail" every afternoon - 1/2 cup pineapple juice, 1/2 cup black cherry juice (I've switched from grape so the drink is all beneficials) and 1/4 cup club soda over ice.  Sure beats the mid-afternoon cookies, cake, pie, candy bars, etc. I used to eat.

I am losing weight again (and inches) and feel great.  I went onto Freecycle and today picked up a bicycle I've been wanting - for free!  So in addition to my daily walks, I'll now get some additional exercise.

I agree with the last poster - it's not having to count calories, carbs or fats that makes this work for me.  And I, too, feel it's the way I was meant to eat.  Thanks, thanks, thanks . . .
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 30, 2005, 1:36am; Reply: 18
missy,
that must be so exciting!!!
you have a privileged metabolism!!
congratulations!
gorillita,
keep us posted on your success!!
Posted by: 1165 (Guest), Friday, September 30, 2005, 2:59am; Reply: 19
You guys are all so great and encouraging. Gorrillita, congratulations on the weight loss and the "stick-to-it" you have achieved with eating for your blood type. I hope I can do as well as you have done. I am going through some body stuff after all of the eating changes. I know I feel tired because I have to take a  medication, but will adjusting my diet to fit my blood do the same thing? Nothing serious, but I have my ups and downs. I sleep good at night, feel great in the morning. After I eat lunch and take the medication Toprol XL, I feel tired, then a little later I have my energy back. I don't run laps around anyone, but I am feeling better. I am doing great on beneficial veggies, fruits, not so good on any red meats as I haven't eaten red meat in many years. I am going to though, just need the time and it will probably only be buffalo, lamb or deer meat. (my son is a hunter and only kills for the deer meat on his own property) in case someone doesn't like hunters..smile. Thanks for all your help, you are the greatest!
Posted by: 903 (Guest), Friday, September 30, 2005, 4:49am; Reply: 20
What an inspiration! Congrats!
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, September 30, 2005, 6:14pm; Reply: 21
[quote=lola]missy,
that must be so exciting!!!
you have a privileged metabolism!!
congratulations!
quote]


Lola, you made me laugh when I read that - I've never before thought of myself as having as privileged motabolism!!  And really before eating right for my type I had the worst metabolism ever - but now that I eat this way and keep excercising it's just been great and my body is finally responding.  I think it's finally getting the nutrients it needed - which is a wonderful feeling.  

Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 30, 2005, 7:16pm; Reply: 22
wish I could eat like you!!! ) sigh!!!!
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, September 30, 2005, 7:24pm; Reply: 23
Lola, do you have to be careful of your fruit intake?  I'm so thankful my body does well with the fruit I eat because it definately helps me keep my energy up I think and it helps me keep cravings for sweet treats away as well.  And I was suprised this morning that I'd dropped some more weight too.  Down to about 134 now!!  
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 30, 2005, 7:43pm; Reply: 24
at least stick to the highest allowed frequency value of fruit for your type per day....
and don t go over that amount.

seems you have no trouble metabolizing.
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, September 30, 2005, 8:21pm; Reply: 25
What is the highest allowed frequency of fruit for an O?  I've never paid much attention to all of that.  
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 30, 2005, 8:50pm; Reply: 26
5......
don t you have the LRFYT book?
it has everything at a glance....very usefull! )
Posted by: mhameline, Friday, September 30, 2005, 9:36pm; Reply: 27
No, I don't have that book - I have a list that my homeopathic doc gave me as a guideline and then I have the ER4YB book, but I can't remember if the baby book has the frequencies in it or not.  I'll have to go check.  
I would say I get up to 4-5 servings of fruit most days but usually not more than that.  
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 1, 2005, 1:59am; Reply: 28
that s fine! )
''you must have done something good.........''!!
wish I could be you for a day!
Posted by: 1168 (Guest), Sunday, October 2, 2005, 2:47am; Reply: 29
Quoted from paulam
Gorillita,
Great name by the way, if you have been told by dentists that you have good teeth,
it is another sign that you are probably a secretor.  If you have had cavity problems,
then perhaps you are a non-secretor.  Just another clue.  Also, I  did do the test
a few years back when I had some money.  I found I was a secretor, and my teeth
have been pretty strong.  I also know that pinto beans don't agree with me, so you
could experiment with some of the food items that go one way or the other, and
see if you react.  You may be able to figure out pretty closely if you are a secretor
or not.  But you sound like you  are doing well!  Keep it up!   ;)


Hello, thanks for the tip, but it's still quite hard to pinpoint if my teeth are good or not. LOL!!! It ain't white, got a little fillings here and there, etc. And I experimented on soy milk, drinking it everyday to test if I'll have a reaction..still nothing comes so I'm guessing I'm Sec...but u never know till u get the test done! gee >_<'''
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Saturday, October 8, 2005, 10:53pm; Reply: 30
I eat a lot of fruit, but the secret is to eat it on an empty stomach in the morning.
Don't mix juicier, lighter fruits with heavier ones( berries & bananas, e.g.).
When I stayed home I could eat a half watermelon all morning.  It was delicious.  That's kind of hard to do when one is working----you'll be going to the washroom very often!!!!!!!!!!!  That pineapple juice drink sounds awesome.  I love pineapple juice, too.
Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs "T" O+
Cheers!
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