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Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 4:24am
This will be a weird testimonial.  

I am currently running on the Diabetes version for O non's with the expectation of loosing a few pounds.  If I am successful, I would like to shock my "mainstream" doctor.  He alarmed me when he advised me that I was pre-diabetic, and that I should think about ways to help others (before I die?) and that effective diet change is the most important (and least likely) way of turning away from diabetes.  He means well, but I have lost much weight before and expect to loose it again.

Ten years ago (about 5 year before I had ever heard of the BTD) I went on a Health Kick.

Paul's Health Kick:

Breakfast Oatmeal (unflavored)  6:30 AM

.... would feel the hunger pains very close to 11:00 AM

Lunch Tuna (1 can), mayo (2 tblsp), 2 matzo crackers and either carrot or celery

Dinner  same as Lunch  7:00 PM

Slippery elm tea 2 or three times a day

Scheduled binge - two meals a week  any kind of food, in any portion I would want

..... the binges could be big, but got smaller and became closer to the "regular food"

Before the Health Kick I was 320 pounds.  After about a year on the Health Kick I was 220 pounds.  I stayed on the Health Kick for about two years.  The benefits were enormous - energy, being treated as if my presence was a generally positive influence, strength and self confidence.

And then I went off the wagon, got married, got children, got (almost permanently) sick, ....

Since I tested as a non-secretor through NAP, I do not understand how my previous life style worked.   I will not go back to it unless I can understand why?  Why should I leave the foods that I am enjoying on the Diabetes Type O non-secretor lists?

I have just recovered from a root canal retreatment and I am feeling the surge of energy and the tightening of the skin over my cheekbones that tell me I am beginning to loose facial fat!  Looking forward to shocking a few people in a few months time.

Shaking up people’s unwarranted assumptions is good for them.
Posted by: sue_ab, Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 4:33am; Reply: 1
Hi Paul and welcome to the forums.  

I feel sure you will shock your doctor.  We have many fantastic O non's here and there is heaps of info in the forums and on the site.

Good luck with your journey and look forward to seeing more of your posts.

Posted by: Joyce, Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 8:12am; Reply: 2

Forgive me if I am understanding your post wrongly ......

You are saying your health was better on the diet you list - which reminds me very much of my food choices as an A.

Are you 100% sure of your 'O' type? - because if that is not right the secrretor test will show you as a nonnie anyway.

Just a thought.

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 8:39am; Reply: 3 welcome dear :D
to understand dr. : they don't know about a nonnie and then please admit that we do
have a real problem with all kind of sugars and we must really evite them as much as possible. I didn't cared much because me, too I havent' understood completely why I must do so, until I gained weight and it didn't stopped.... so far I stopped now all carbs and now.: biiiiinnnggooooo it works ;D
I can't stay for any normal medication because I don't know my reactions... so far I am soo glad and happy having re-found BTD in 1998 that for me no question to take care
even about my noniehood = we react different because our methabolisme works different
and even if you will be diagnosed at what about that.... kinki styles of non-educated MD's ;) dear stay calm.... and hear on your belly.... there's the right answer too.
It is really similar to pre-diabetics- yes but now have a look with all this weight you have on, sorry I didn't ask for your completer profile, forgive me ;) but all those parameters
are important and then its' normal if you come from a stade of syndrome X and nothing worked because of the lectin sensitivity...... hey..... the time you stepped in...... needs a little time less to come out.... :K)
truly yours Isa

ps. sorry forgot to mention and really point out that our beloved meischddaa was and is right if he tries to make us understand (very :P ) for a long time of me, that movements= sports is really important!!!

ooo wow- another iNTp- welcome for a second time and what a pitty for us... ;) that we
don't believe anything.......... ;D ::)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 7:59pm; Reply: 4
I can't say why your previous health kick worked, but it looks pretty low calorie overall (and kinda boring compared to the O-non diet)

I can however vouch for the O-non diet, I was three points away from prediabeties on my blood sugar, well into that range on triglycerides, among many other problems, when I discovered the BTD.  Within a few months all my numbers were right where they should be, and my HDL keeps improving on the non-secretor diet.  
Posted by: Susana, Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 8:32pm; Reply: 5
Hi Paul,


I would take two guesses for your previous diet to work.

1. Little food. i have observed (i am not in the medical field) that people who eat little food have less health problems.

2. Age. While we are young we tend to asimilate food better. With time, our mistakes catch up.

As I said, just a guess based on a non professional observation.

Best of luck with BTD. i believe you are on the right track.

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:39am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Joyce

Forgive me if I am understanding your post wrongly ......

You are saying your health was better on the diet you list - which reminds me very much of my food choices as an A.

Are you 100% sure of your 'O' type? - because if that is not right the secrretor test will show you as a nonnie anyway.

Just a thought.


Well I got a blood test from a donation centre (I fainted after giving only 1/2 a pint) that said O-, my mom told me that I am type O, when I tested through NAP i had to call for my result (I don't know why, but I got a polite, prompt response)  At NAP, if I was type A, I would expect someone would have seen some anomaly while testing for the H marker.

I strongly doubt that I am an A because:

Overweight at the age of six.
Drank between 2 - 4 litres of milk a day (8 - 16 cups)
Ate cheese excessively

Now, having been on the diet for about 2 months,  I notice a return of digestive problems that have plaguing me for the prior six months when I indulge in a "cheeseburger" variety of processed meat.

I also favour the Norse side of my mixed British genes (my altheltic sister has the same physique as Natasha Hensridge (sp?))

PS. how do you put the remarks under your avatar?
Posted by: sue_ab, Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:54am; Reply: 7
To put a message under your avatar:

go to member centre
click on profile information - left hand side,
add message to various information field.

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, August 18, 2005, 2:31am; Reply: 8
I would do another test just to be on the safe side!)
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, August 21, 2005, 12:59pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from lola
I would do another test just to be on the safe side!)

I think I will Lola.  My most recent gains in the health front came from dropping the spelt, mozzarella, and soy that I had been eating (thinking I was a secretor).  I heal rapidly and clot quickly as well, but if I don't test the possibility will always be in the back of my mind.

When I was 18, my dad took my to a health farm for a supervised starvation, sauna, and other treatments.  I really loved the steam cabinet - I sweated for the maximum time at least three times a day.  The thing that convinced me about detoxifying was the experience of seeing winged, pink elephants in my fevered imagination.  I was never asked for id from about the age of 16, when I started drinking heavily in public, so I reasoned that the toxic load that I was loosing was mainly alcoholic.
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, August 21, 2005, 1:04pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from bonnie
To put a message under your avatar:

go to member centre
click on profile information - left hand side,
add message to various information field.


Thanks Sue.  When you are new a little help is especially welcome.
Posted by: Mickey, Friday, August 26, 2005, 10:49pm; Reply: 11


I used to eat oatmeal almost every morning before i started the BTD about 5 years ago.  I also had IBS and usually had a bout right after i ate the oatmeal and usually a cup of coffee.  Once i started the BTD (stopped eating oatmeal), my IBS went away almost immediately.  I know that the coffee may have contributed to the IBS too, but i have tried coffee since (i know an avoid  :() and don't have the IBS reaction as i did when i ate the oatmeal.

Another thing is when i first started the BTD i was concerned about my cholesterol going up.  My cholesterol was about 150.  I've been tested since and my cholesterol has remained around the same and that's with eating all the beef, eggs, etc...

Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Saturday, August 27, 2005, 12:01am; Reply: 12
I am Type O, but secretor.  I can definitely lose weight on anything that is low calorie, but I find that I am healthier in different ways on BTD.  I never in my life had regular bowel movements before BTD.  I wouldn't have considered myself constipated, because I didn't have difficult movements, just very infrequent.  I do have normal bowel movements now, even without strict compliance to BTD.  I had lost weight on a very low fat eating plan before, but my hair and skin were very dry.  Adding back the healthy oils gave me back healthy hair, skin, also relieved dry eyes that made contact lens wear uncomfortable.  I sleep so much better now.  I had a major problem with sleep before BTD.  I have at least some good genes, so my blood lipids look great whether I'm eating tuna, rice and brocolli every meal or enjoying eggs and red meat everyday, so why not enjoy the eggs that I love and red meat if I can.

I guess I agree with the rest, that if you eat low enough calories, you can probably lose and when you're younger your body is more forgiving.  In the long run though, I think you'll be much happier and healthier on BTD.   Also, you'll never know, but maybe if you had been on BTD, you would not have progressed to the pre-diabetic stage.  In case you don't know, there is a Diabetes Health Library book by Dr. D.  I think there's a protocol for pre-diabetes.  If I remember, I'll look up a few key things for you this weekend.  So far as the oatmeal thing, don't get too excited about being able to eat that without a lot of difficulty.  One problem there is more long-term. Oatmeal is high in GLA, gamma-lineolic acid.  GLA can lead to thinner blood and increase risk for hemorrhagic stroke.  I just found out this little tidbit in the last few days in thinking about another thread here on steel cut oats.  That may be one reason oatmeal is only neutral.

Keep in mind that only some avoids give immediate negative reactions.  In some cases the effects are more subtle or take effect over a long term.
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, August 27, 2005, 2:15pm; Reply: 13
Thank you Cheryl,
    I am not considering going back to my old Health Kick (vee avoide de term dii-et heavy Swiss-German inflection).  I am staying at home and raising two preschoolers.  It would be near-impossible to limit myself to such a limited range of foods, as I wean my kids off the avoids they love.

    My challenge in posting that list is to find out what mechanism was working so well.  There were no recurrent ear infections, bowel problems and depression when I was on the health kick.

    The depression might have disappeared due to the increase of female attention   ;D

    The real issue here was that is I was eating many avoids (oat, mayo and matzo) and few beneficials (carrot) with very limited exercise (half an hour on a EMS machine /day).  I was working full-time and studying part-time.  The "free" meals were large, full of avoids, with either steak or fresh fish.  

    Unless I have an unusual non-ABO blood type (which would be typical, I am usually 2-3 standard deviations from the average), there is a mechanism that is not clearly understood.  When I first read ER4YT, I knew that I had experienced the result of what the diet does for people.  It was like seeing myself in the mirror for the first time in a long time.

     What could that unkown mechanism be?  Does calorie deprivation kick ketosis on high for O's?  Were the maztos made with amaranth?  (Cultural agronomists, feel free to reply!)  Is celery a ben/Super-ben for diabetics O's?  Is canned tuna a benefical for O nons?

     Apart from what ABOlife may offer, is there any way of getting a more complete testing?  I will be travelling to Toronto some time in the next few weeks, and might look at traveling to either Detroit or Buffalo by the end of October.  I know that asking my conventional doctor will get me nowhere.  Would the practioners listed on this site be able to test MN, and Lewis factors?

      I will seek to re-test my ABO type again just on principle.  Still, I think I am loosing weight on the O non Diabetic BTD.  It is sometimes hard to tell since I am too heavy for the doctors; scales (>340 lbs) and my electronic scale gives me only flattering lies (that I am 302 lbs)  I guess I should hunt for a high capacity scale too!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, August 27, 2005, 5:37pm; Reply: 14
you can o your tests here:
serotyping services from the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine.  You
can contact them at 480/970-000.  
Testing includes:
*Lewis a & b (secretor status)
matzo is made of wheat, I think.

keep up the good work!!)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, August 27, 2005, 8:00pm; Reply: 15
matzo=matzalah??)  = wheat  ::)
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, August 27, 2005, 10:58pm; Reply: 16
Hi Paul, nice to meet you! :)

Interesting that you're having gastric trouble about two months into the nonnie diet. I had the same experience when I was eating the nonnie food plan this past winter (before I had the secretor test done). I think now it was just my body adjusting to the changes and healing brought about by eating beneficial foods, so this might be what's going on with you too. Hang in there, get the testing done and see what's what, then you can go on from that point and figure out what you need to do.
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, September 10, 2005, 6:55pm; Reply: 17
Thanks lola!  

Matzo is whould usually be made from hybridized wheat, but if made from amaranth could be neutral, even for O nonnies.   Is amaranth still grown in the Middle-East?  Is there a summary of ABO / Rhesus, ABO / Lewis, and ABO / MN interactions so that different ABO's could see the potential of the information they might be seeking?

Hi Brighid,
              Yes I still has alimentary problems when I McEat (without the buns, fries), but I am finding it hard to decide whether "individually quick frozen" ie. flash frozen vegetables (which I fry in olive oil) are to blame.  Avoiding eating buns and fries has been easy for me.  When I walk past a McD's, I could almost be sick from the fumes that used to drive my hunger wild.  I *love* the ezekiel bread that has become my carb escape.

I have been trying (until I get it right!) to incorporate the salted water between meals.  As a house-husband who has difficulty organizing, this has really been a sticking point for me.  There are inadequecies with sleep-cycle and execise parts of my current life-style.  As I mentioned to miltoncat, I am almost considering doing a forced march (2+ hours of rapid/aerobic walking).  

Should I give in to the temptation to march at night, or force myself to march from 5 am?  I find that the marching puts me in to an almost meditative state where I review hang-ups.  The marching is exhausting (hence the late-at-night preference), so I hope that it would fulfill the difficult exercise requirement.

I have really enjoyed a ghee/flax oil "margarine" (3:1 mix), but still use olive oil and green tea excessively.  
Posted by: Lesley_Sharpe (Guest), Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 2:39am; Reply: 18
To Paul,
Hi I have just been told I have insulin resistance (i think it is a pre cursor to diabetes - which runs in my family).  What are the foods that u are enjoying on the Diabetes Type O non-secretor lists? I didn't know of such a list.  i have read all of Dr D'adamo's books (I thought) but maybe there are some we don't get here in Australia.  Can someone please head me in the direction of these lists.  thankyou

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 2:52am; Reply: 19
paul clucas,
do you have the LRFYT book?

all these points you mention are explained very well in it......
also the lists are easy to follow, and the MN factor , as well.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 2:54am; Reply: 20
Here is the Diabetes book, which is available in soft or hard cover:

This is one of Dr. D's Health Library series books. Six have been published and two more are coming later this year.
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, October 3, 2005, 6:00am; Reply: 21
Good reply, Don

I have been busy landscapping the past few weeks. I now know where my exercise limits are!  Also where I am thinning on top thanks to the sunburn.

Lesley, if you have not already done it, look at the link Don has posted.  The ER4YT library book for Diabetes is what you are looking for.  My health improved after tweeking my diet with the extra information in this book. I have a longer journey to go yet, but when your lying on the ground any dog looks big.

Lola I have ER4YT, CR4YT, LR4YT, 4 Food list books, the Encyclopedia, Diabetes, Cancer (you never know if it will be required) and am thinking of getting Fatigue since I need a nap at midday (so does my toddler)

I will read LR4YT again.  It's not that I did not read it the first time, it is likely just overlayed with many other similar bits of information.  Thank you for the help, Lola.

I just found Heidi's O-Non food pyramid and am going to east a *lot* more fresh and raw veggies and fruit. Eating so little ezekiel bread will be difficult, but I don't want to be in some form of hibernation while my kids are still young.  I have been in a state that could be call "edema maxima" for the past two years. Also flabbia maxima, cellulitia maxima, gluteus maxima maxima,  ..... etc

[Paul mumbles pseudo-latin to the screen for another 3 minutes and then decides it is time to go to sleep]
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 3, 2005, 8:19am; Reply: 22
wooo-hoooo maximus to maxima ::) :D but dear Paul.....grrrr I cant' see any related
sickness to cellulite...this is only because of to much weight and if you are loosing it, no cellulite any more ;D yup
but you are a toughy-one and you are d'accord to do something for you (hi-hi-hiiiiiiiiiiii
not only but you were beginning with the BEST= BTD  ;D ):K)
then nothing to add just great....please stay *on-line* ;) :D

Posted by: Lola, Monday, October 3, 2005, 3:36pm; Reply: 23
would you give us the link to heidi s Onon pyramide, pls?
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, October 5, 2005, 1:53pm; Reply: 24
Here you are Lola:

After I read (almost) all the books I was really enthusiastic about specific BT pyramids to give a broad picture of the balance and variety of food.

Telling people about the BTD is so difficult since it requires a different kind of thinking.  The best way to describe something new is to connect it to something that is already widely known and empasize the differences and similarities.  Using individualized food pyramids to show the distribution of foods in a correct BTD fails to show the heart of the diet, but it is also required.  I could eat ezekiel bread all day long, and be assured that I would gain weight (Ezekiel was likely a B?) .  Some analogy is required to overcome this, but I have failed to find it so far.  

ISA:  I am currently looking for a broad-rimmed hat, a knee brace and a workman's shirt that *fit*!  It is so difficult to find apparel that fits.  Weight loss will not fix all this. I know that because I was down to 220 pounds - made me look like Jim Carey's taller cousin.   ;D

I was not planning on leaving the board; I have a lot of landscaping/house repair work this month.

I'm not a quitter: I know where I want to go!
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, October 5, 2005, 5:53pm; Reply: 25
thanks for the pyramide! )
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Saturday, October 8, 2005, 10:36pm; Reply: 26
Lola, what is that phone #?  There is a digit missing!  Why is it so hard to get those tests?  One would think that you could get them in any major city.  Dealing with the mail is such a pain!
Paul:  Start execising little by little... even a few minutes morning & evening.  Staying at home with little ones is very tiring. I do remember it and quit worrying about my weight at that time.  Now I just turned 58 & weigh 30# less than I did at age 30 while probably eating the same calories.  I eat better & can exercise more.  But when the kids were little, they were my priority.  Now with more mobility, I can keep the weight down.  Maybe you can factor in your commitment to your family at this time & try to keep your weight even without trying too hard to lose.  That causes a lot of stress!
Soon the little ones will be older & you can do activities with them.  There are so many sports, walking, etc. to do.  Maybe when they join some club or sports team, you can hop over to a health club during that time & work out.  Congrats on home schooling! It's wonderful & most people I know who do it have wonderful results.
Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs "T" O+
PS  I weighed 165 for a time & am now 135 while eating 3.000 calories a day!!
I also nursed a lot which is supposed to burn a lot of calories, but that just increased my appetite.  It's amazing what the right foods & good exercise can do!!!!
Go White Sox!!!!   :D
Posted by: paul clucas, Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 3:37am; Reply: 27
Thank you for the support Mrs T O+!

I am back to re-reading (for the umpteenth time) LR and trying to juggle my day to include extra hydration before meals.  As for dealing with the little ones, the less analytical thinking that I do, the better! If I can muster the energy, I will start formal homeschooling for our 5year-old girl.

The only naturopath in town touts his learning expeditions for natural healing techniques, but shows no awareness of the BTD. He also modestly descibes himself as a "leading" Naturopath in Canada.

Personal Rant Warning

When I read "In some individuals X may cause Y to happen" my hackles are raised.  In the press and on "educational" websites I have seen slight variations of this blantant admission  of polymorhpism.  It is just being used as an escape from the culpability of giving medical advice and an escape from the resposibitiy for further research.

We Now Return You To Your Regularly Schedualed Paul

I will consider iridology from this "leading" Naturopath to get confirmation of my (self diagnosed) liver issue.

Question: Are you doing amature iridology? Or do you just like to admire yourself in the mirror?
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 2:49pm; Reply: 28
Update: after two weeks landscaping and house refurbishment my parents-in-law have told me they see the weight loss.  My scale now says 302 (instead of 306) before complaining of the abuse.  Now, if I could only persuade the health centre workers that letting me use the 340 lb max counter weight scale without an appointment is a legitimate used of health care equipment ......
Posted by: resting, Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 3:36pm; Reply: 29

I have this crazy idea that fat is sometimes used by the body as a 'thinning' mechanism to dilute some very serious toxins,  So maybe you have a mild mold issue and would profit you to wash your intake of nuts/seeds in a mild hydrogen peroxide solution.  Then try some NAC and L-glutamine to give your liver detox (called glutathione) a boost.

Nutrition yeast may help  too....

if you think your gut could stand some healing.  Seacure wil help ...

Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 7:45pm; Reply: 30
Thank you for the advice John.  Your comments show a depth of experience that is rare for someone not a practicing natropath.  I eat NTYB Inc almond and hazelnut butters to a point of excess - at least twice recommended serving/frequency.  

I owe everyone an apology for my inaccurate tag line.

I was weighed in May of this year in the local medical clinic and was over the 350 maximum of the counter weight scale.  I asked weight myself today and it read 343 1/4 lbs!  I have lost at least 7 pounds!

There isn't a smiley big enough to show how happy I feel!  I have been struggling with serving carb-rich food foods to my kids, while denying myself a serving.  I have eaten fast food burgers at least 3 times a week! My landscapping work was finished over two weeks ago, but I expect to be loosing about 1/2 a pound a week if I keep up the effort.

By spring I will have convinced my wife to eat right!  
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 10:34pm; Reply: 31
steady wins the race!! )
just do it!!
congratulations PC!
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, November 3, 2005, 2:04am; Reply: 32
Yes indeed - steady as she goes!

I have a great incentive; when I am just over 200 lbs I look like a bigger version of Jim Carey (except with a stronger jaw line) and I almost have the same energy level (so that I could keep up with the kids).

The only negative that I could see is my wife's jealousy.  If she goes on the diet, since the most prominent part of her character is her competitiveness, I do not see this as a significant problem.  She was most impressed with Melissa J's before and after pictures.  Her pictures were much more effective than all the conversations about the BTD that we have shared over the years.  I am rather jealous about her attentions also, so I forsee a continuation of balance in our relationship.

Next year is looking considerably brighter than it did yesterday!
Posted by: Draginvry, Saturday, January 28, 2006, 7:35am; Reply: 33
Quoted from paul_clucas
I eat NTYB Inc almond and hazelnut butters to a point of excess

Guilty as charged.  I discovered that I have to limit my shopping of nut butters, because they "disappear" after being in the cupboard for a few days.

Pumpkin seeds are a good replacement.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Saturday, January 28, 2006, 8:10am; Reply: 34
Anyone know how paul is doing?

Would love to hear an update.
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