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Posted by: Bettycakes (Guest), Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:04pm
Hi, I'm not even sure if this is the right forum to post these questions, please redirect me if there's a more appropriate place to put this thread. Is there a post/thread/blog/article here that explains the candida spit test and how it works? I've suspected candida as a factor (maybe cause?) of my CFS w/fibromyalgia for a while now and I'm finally sick and tired enough of it to actually do something about it! I'm very new here and have been BTDing for a week now. I feel better, I feel worse... depends on the moment. The main changes I've made are eliminating wheat/dairy/sugar from my diet, and those are huge changes for me, all at once! I'm not on an anti-candida protocol because 1) I need more information; and 2) it scares me. Here's why: I *think* what's happening is that the candida are starting to die off and as a result I feel awful! Even more achy-painy than usual, and even more brain fog/disorientation than what I've come to accept as normal.

I was in the grocery store the other day and had a huge 'senior' moment, and I'm only 48. I'd forgotten my list and couldn't remember what I'd come for besides organic chicken and frozen peas. I couldn't remember where certain items were kept and just walked around pushing my cart in a fog. I'm grateful I didn't run into anyone I know as they would have thought I'd 'lost it.' On my way driving home I almost ran a red light. I felt sick and headachy. I was tempted to eat an avoid just to lessen the symptoms, but I didn't. That day was no fun, but fortunately I haven't experienced anything quite so severe since. I have 3 teenagers and work outside the home and have to maintain a fair amt. of functionality in my life, so perhaps it's not a good time to do a candida detox? But if not now, when?

So, back to the candida spit test. I did it, and almost instantly there were tendrils. Does the speed of the appearance of the tendrils indicate the severity? How often should I do the test, and will it indicate the amt. of healing based on the tendril presence? Sorry about  the huge amount of questions, but I'm new here and have to get them out of the way. Any info and/or directions to other areas on the site will be very much appreciated, thanks.
Posted by: debs, Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:20pm; Reply: 1
hi bettycakes
see if you can find the link to three lac.lots of info there.if you cant find it come back to me & i'll give you the details as i cant find it at present but it does sound like candida die off.In the meantime take probiotics so they fill the gaps the yeast is making as it dies off ok? you can pm me if you ok? :K)
Posted by: Bettycakes (Guest), Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:50pm; Reply: 2
thanks debs, I found links to candidasupport.org and rainbowminerals.net. and I take it you are talking about this supplement? Have you used it, and was it successful? It looks like there are various distributors of this product. Are there any particular makers/suppliers that are superior to the others? Is it available at HFS or strictly on the net?

In the meantime I'll pick up some high-quality probiotics from my chiropractor and discuss all this with her. Is there a link here to your 'story'? Thanks for your help, I'm sure I'll be discussing this with you again soon.
Posted by: debs, Saturday, May 14, 2005, 8:53pm; Reply: 3
bettycakes i do like that name.does it refer to your name & fondness for that delicacy? :) it reminds me of my mum,her name is betty & she makes cakes & usually delicious ones at that which is difficult being an o nonny  :-/but thats another story. ;D
i've had candida on/off number of times.used many different things;grapefruit seed extract,stinging nettle,p'au d'arco,larch arabinogalactan which are all very good.However i had the feeling my body needed something a bit stronger to blast them critters back...way back.At present i'm using 'three lac' with their oxy enzymes & oxygen plus.Its early days but i'm starting to think i may be winning.that was the link you saw wasnt it for three lac?
they come with instructions you follow about taking things slowly by starting to build up from once a day for the first 2-3 days then gradually increasing the times & amounts per day to see how you go.the threelac has a lovely lemony taste,the enzymes are in capsules & the oxygen plus are dropswhich has a definite tangy taste but you don't need much anyway.
as far as i know its only on the net.also the company i went to you do pay a little more for the product at first but thats because apparently it comes with customer service/after care that you can contact them any time with your queries.so i would be inclined to recommend them.
i would be inclined to suggest if you did a candida protocol to maybe do the spit test maybe once a month perhaps before you purchase your next order & then keep an eye on it monthly or bi monthly to monitor it.After a lifetime of anti biotics a lot of people have candida to varying degrees & dont realise.unfortunately GP's don't generally acknowledge candida.They do in the early stages (i.e.thrush/cystitis etc) then only in the advanced stages when it becomes systemic.( give you even stronger stuff(hmmm see a pattern here?).also i have been bodybrushing to help things a lot & it seems to be helping now.i like to think of all them horrid critters flying off when i brush.

Posted by: italybound, Saturday, May 14, 2005, 11:59pm; Reply: 4
I remember reading about this spit test for candida a while back, but dont remember how you do it. I only remember, if I'm remembering the right thing, that you spit in water and watch to see something about how long before the tendrils "drop" or something like that. Would someone explain this to me and tell me exactly how to do it? I'm fairly certain that is a problem for me as well. Still need to get some of that 3Lac. I know there is another company that you can buy it cheaper than the one you are speaking of here. Will tell you what it is when I find it.
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, May 15, 2005, 2:11am; Reply: 5
Betty sue,

I am walking the same walk as you..only I am about 2-3 weeks ahead of you. the first time I did the spit test, my eyes got like saucers, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. My glass looked like a octopus and sediment went to the bottom quickly. After that, I started to review in my head what I had been eating for a month..it was scary! I was a yeast bud's hero. I craved things  that fed the yeast...and didn't realize what was going on .. for example mushrooms ( couldn't get enough of them, I  put them in everything) strawberries,  chocolate chips by the  handfuls, I was a run away train and couldn't  stop. When I didn't eat them, my body got  real angry at me. Finally I started to come alive and started to put 2  and 2 together. My eating went 100% benefical and I started to follow a VERY strict  candida diet. the first week I really  thought there was going to be a dead person in my house...yikes I fel like I was going nuts. The ONLY thing that would calm it down was a tbs. of almond butter and   a little organic blueberry fruit spread. Because  fruits are out for a while, along with so many things. It has been probably 2 weeks now, and someday my spit test is ok..some not  so great, but nothing like it was. Right now I test it everymorning. I refuse to go back to that place. My tongue  was  full of sores and I was a mess. I made the decision today, just because when it gets as severe as mine  had gotten, that I would do a cleanse. So tonight I started. I looked ar Dr. D's yeast protocol and  found exactly what I needed. and actually found a product (pretty reasonably) at a health food store near me. I also am taking probotics, to help fill the void  that  the yeast had had.  I don't know if this has helped, I hope so.  the other issue if you think you have had this a long time is parasites. You might want to  do a cleanse for that. No sure how others think on this.  I found some great information on 2 websites:
www.wholeapproach.com
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com


there is so much help here on the board..I am sure you will be successful!
Caroline
Posted by: debs, Sunday, May 15, 2005, 7:18am; Reply: 6
the reason that that 3lac site appears more expensive is at first you your paying a one off fee which guarantees you aftercare service & you can contact them anytime with any worries or problems as you're using their products as candida die off etc.after that i think you're getting a discount.just bear it in mind when you're out there looking.ok? :K)
Posted by: Bettycakes (Guest), Sunday, May 15, 2005, 6:17pm; Reply: 7
Yikes! Double yikes. The more I research this the more overwhelmed I get. I have a house full of teenagers and cabinets with tempting foods, in relation to a candida diet. My husband goes grocery shopping and brings home c**p food. I just don't know how I can take care of myself, cook for my family, go to my job (which is physical and stressful) trying to manage die-off symptoms and stay sane.

One hour at a time?

Debs, which site do you use? I chose the name Bettycakes as Betty is a self-appointed nickname (though not my real name) and cakes just seemed like a good add-on. Made with fully compliant ingredients, of course!

Thanks again everyone for the links, info and continued support.
Posted by: 199 (Guest), Monday, May 16, 2005, 1:53am; Reply: 8
Bettycakes,

I'm also just about a week ahead of you.  I did some research and decided to take high-dose biotin (5000 mcg/day) to try to force the yeast to revert to their easier-to-kill spore form, and I also started the WholeApproach phase one protocol.  It is supposed to be very gentle on the body (but hard on the yeast!), and it sounds well-designed to me.

Here are the details:  morning and evening, on an empty stomach, you drink eight ounces of water containing a mixture of psyllium husk AND seeds (husk for gelling power, seeds for gentle scouring action), liquid caprylic acid (an anti-fungal), and bentonite clay (to adsorb the toxins and dead yeast and escort them out of the body before they can cause die-off symptoms).  According to WholeApproach, when caprylic acid is taken in pill form it passes out of the intestines within ten minutes (!), but when it is taken as a liquid suspended in a fiber gel, it is absorbed very slowly and pressed up against the intestinal walls, killing the yeast where they live.

My experience after one week has been thus:  Definitely flavor the mixture!  The WholeApproach support forum suggests a "safe" sweetener like stevia (or vegetable glycerine) and maybe some cinnamon, but I find it tastes better with sea salt added.  I also have to play around with the ratio of psyllium to bentonite, as psyllium is a laxative while bentonite is a binder, and right now I tend more toward constipation.  One day I reduced the bentonite and ended up with a nasty migraine and a vague sore throat, which I attributed to die-off.  After that, I reinstated the larger amount of bentonite and added a bit more psyllium.  It's too soon to tell whether it's working or not.  And I am reducing my intake of sugar and grains, but I refuse at this point to go all-out on an anti-candida diet (which is essentially tailored to O nonnies, not A secretors).  After doing this protocol for a while, I plan to add in or switch to some candida-eating probiotics.

My understanding, though, after visiting www.healthydetox.org, is that the best I can reasonably hope for is damage control until I treat any mercury build-up I may have accumulated over the years (and I'm sure it is significant in my case, because even though I have only three silver-mercury amalgam fillings myself, my mother had an entire mouthful while she was pregnant with me).  I am hoping to get all of my fillings replaced at the end of this month, but I still won't be ready to start eliminating the heavy metals for several months yet, as groundwork must be laid in advance and finances are tight right now.  I'll probably also want to work with my naturopath to fine-tune the details.

At any rate, that is the extent of my research to date.  I hope it helps!

--Sarah
Posted by: CarolineC, Monday, May 16, 2005, 2:33am; Reply: 9
Bettycakes,

I can very much understand how your feeling about now. I was certainly in your place, before I decided on a course, I  sat  for  hours and hours studying. I am  embarrassed a an RN  how much the medical field lacks in the knowledge. I got  very overwhelmed also.
Sarah and I  both are working in the  same direction just in different steps. I startd the diet 2 weeks. and I must admit, it hasn't been easy. BTD can be restricted to things we would  love to each at times, we all have out little favorites. Well, take the BTD and warp it up 100% and that is the candida diet. I think the first week, I could have turnd into an Ax murderer! the yeast is dying off and wants to be fed and the cravings are awfull. I have seen so much difference it was amazing, but something in me wanted to take it a step further. (Its my personality). So Last night I started taking what I call  "yeast pesticide".  I am hoping Melissa reads this  because I would like to know if she ever had  these syptoms. After 1/2 of taken it, I could feel my lower bowels start to "churn"...and then I started getting the intersting side effects and I am trying to figure out if I'm nuts. I started having joint pain!! (I haven't felt that since I started BTD 5 years ago) It was like this "demon " inme was fighting  for its life! I KNOW it sounds nuts! Well, I just ate and took the second dose and the stomach is "churning" , it doesn't cause diarrhea and GAS!, just churns (sorry that its so graphic)
This is what my NO is having me take:

1000mg. caprylic acid
600 mg. Pau D' Arco
600 mg Black Walnut
400 mg. Oregano oil
Garlic
olive leaf
cat's claw
wormwood herb
magnesium
biotin

I can't imagine this every night..for any length of time! ..YUCK I must admit my spit this morning was clear! How long did  you stay on the regimen
and of course I am taking my probotics.
thanks everyone for your support, you have no idea how I appreciate it.
Caroline
Posted by: debs, Monday, May 16, 2005, 9:15am; Reply: 10
hi bettycakes this is the site i went to first http://www.candidasupport.org however they then referred me to their uk site however as you;re in America this is the site for you ok? let me know how you get on ok?best wishes for a speedy recovery. :K)
Posted by: dancer, Monday, May 16, 2005, 12:46pm; Reply: 11
Being TYPE 0
With CANDIDA FUNGUS OVERGROWN
daily necessarious  intake of carbohidrates from GRAINS or FRUITS?
Posted by: debs, Monday, May 16, 2005, 3:23pm; Reply: 12
IMHO cut out dried fruit & limit to no more than 2 fruit a day the less ripe the better. keep to your minimum servings of grain per week max & see how you go.
Posted by: suzedgar, Thursday, May 19, 2005, 9:24pm; Reply: 13
Hi all,
i wanted to  joint this thread as I am fighting candida. I tried nystatin but it killed the yeast too quickly and I felt awful. I am taking 1200 mg of caprylic acid and grapefruit seed extract - I believe it is much gentler and will take much longer. I can't even eat fruit without breaking out in hives so I think the anitbiotics and steroids I was on gave me really bad candida. I am also taking a homeopathic drops each day to eradicate the allergy to yeast.  I take probiotics, vitamin C powder and I don't eat any grains or sugars (o nonny diet without fruit) - I feel better but am a bit tired when I do a hard work out. I seem unable to lose weight and am a bit bloated so I still think this candida thing is around.  Have any of you struggled with the weight loss part? I find it really hard to work out alot.
Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, May 19, 2005, 9:34pm; Reply: 14
Hi Suzedgar,
Man, I so understand. emotionally I am really down about all this. I am doing basically the same as you Caprylic acid 1500 mg and garlic 5000mcg a day. I am not eating fruit or grains hardly at all, but I am losing so much weight my famliy is getting worried. But nothing on the candida diets adds calories. I know the yeast is there..I check my saliva everyday, some days there is hardly any, the next there is some. Granted nothing like it was. My tongue finally cleared up. I felt human that wa and then this morning I got another little sore thing. I am really discouraged. I am staying strictly benefical...I have started eatting these little flax seed chips (just flax seed. Found them in Whole Foods) and still basically constipation. and yes, I am  so tired. Today has been bad, I am really down about it..feel like I could just sit and cry. UGH..I hate this! I feel like I am battling a alien in me.
thanks for listening,
Caroline
Suzedgar, I am  right with you, I know it will get better....we just have to find the key. If we were allowed to have  glass of wine, I'd have one with you!
Posted by: suzedgar, Thursday, May 19, 2005, 9:42pm; Reply: 15
Hang in there, Caroline. I know this will get better for us. I don't seem to have lost a pound! which I think is really weird.  I am stuck on 110/111.  I think that the steroids I took a year ago have done this to me.  I am very used to this diet now but would love to eat fruit
Posted by: italybound, Friday, May 20, 2005, 1:53am; Reply: 16
suzedgar and CarolineC, have you done a parasite cleanse? I did one when I first started the BTD. Was a very good thing and time to do another. Just a thought.
Posted by: Bettycakes (Guest), Friday, May 20, 2005, 6:07am; Reply: 17
Thank you to everyone who has responded, and I'm glad this thread has been beneficial to more than just me. I realize there is so much more I need to learn about battling candida... regarding supplements, die-off symptoms, parasites (ICK)... I'm reading the recommended websites and doing my homework. I currently take an all-in-one supplemental liquid that my chiropractor has me on. Here's a link to it (IntraMAX):

http://www.druckerlabs.com/ingredients.php

There is an anti-yeast, anti-parasitic matrix in the formula but as far as I can tell it doesn't list the quantities and am unsure of what to add, if anything. I've taken grapefruit seed extract in the past to fight colds and flu and it was soooooo very bitter, the only way I found to ingest it was with fruit juice, which I assume is forbidden on a anti-candida diet.

Once again, I've got to see my chiropractor and clarify some stuff with her. Thanks for all the help and feedback.
Posted by: italybound, Friday, May 20, 2005, 11:38am; Reply: 18
Bettycakes, if you want to try the grapeseed extract, you can buy that in capsule form.
I have been doing the spit test every morning for a few days and have had pretty good results, HOWEVER, I have had a long history of candida, so I'm going to give the ThreeLac a shot. I'd love to be RID of it! I once knew a woman who always looked like she was crazy, just had that LOOK in her eyes. Come to find out, it was from candida. She had it extremely bad! I've heard it can actually kill you. If that be true, all the more reason to get it under control.
Posted by: Bettycakes (Guest), Friday, May 20, 2005, 4:34pm; Reply: 19
Grapeseed extract or grapefruit seed extract? Aren't they two different things?

My second spit test was MUCH better than the first. I'm doing it once a week. Maybe I should bump it up to twice a week; I just didn't want to stress myself by doing it every day... like when you are on a weight-loss diet you shouldn't weigh every day as seeing the day-to-day variables can be discouraging.

That's a scary story about that woman you used to know. I bet that nasty candida *was* driving her crazy, poor thing.
Posted by: CarolineC, Friday, May 20, 2005, 6:23pm; Reply: 20
I perssonally haven't done an actual parasite cleanse yet. But am looking into different products, any suggestions? it has to be something  gentle, because I have a really sensitive system.

Bettycakes your product somes great, problem is when I read the  ingredients there were many that were not complient for O nonnie, so  not sure if I should do that. . I am taking a product called Candidase
http://www.enzymedica.com.
It is  easy on the system and doesn't only kill the yeast but takes it out of the system, so that live yeast cannot feed on the dead  yeast. ICK!!
Ever feel like your walking blind in a  room trying to find the door?That is how I feel about now.
Caroline
Posted by: Bettycakes (Guest), Friday, May 20, 2005, 8:25pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from CarolineC
I am taking a product called Candidase
http://www.enzymedica.com.
It is  easy on the system and doesn't only kill the yeast but takes it out of the system, so that live yeast cannot feed on the dead  yeast. ICK!!


Your product sounds interesting as well. I had no idea that live yeast feeds off of itself... ewwwwww! Kind of like candida cannibalism? That's so gross.

Quoted from CarolineC
Ever feel like your walking blind in a  room trying to find the door?That is how I feel about now.
Caroline


Oh yeah, me too! Is this like the blind leading the blind? ;)



Posted by: 929 (Guest), Friday, May 20, 2005, 8:29pm; Reply: 22
Caroline ~
Is the Candidase working for you?
Posted by: 681 (Guest), Friday, May 20, 2005, 11:32pm; Reply: 23
Hi all.

This is my first post to this forum.  I'm sorry to hear about your yeast problems.  I have struggled with yeast and have finally gotten better by following an anti-candida diet with BTD recomendations.
 
http://www.yeastconnection.com/yeast.html#questionaire

I keep track of my progress by doing the yeast questionaire at this site.
It's really very detailed and I find it better than doing the spit test.  Do the long, detailed version.  It's a downloadable pdf version.  My original score was 330, and now it's a 56.  

Hope this helps some of you.

Evelyne
Posted by: CarolineC, Saturday, May 21, 2005, 12:45am; Reply: 24
Bettycakes

Your product sounds interesting as well. I had no idea that live yeast feeds off of itself... ewwwwww! Kind of like candida cannibalism? That's so gross.

LOLOL.. well since I am a O, I am used to  being the "hunter", but apparently like any living organism, it will feed on whatever it can get[, I don't think they are civilized, but frankly, I don't feel to civilized about them  either./b]

Oh yeah, me too! Is this like the blind leading the blind? ;)

[b]EXACTLY...I am feeling about how alice did after she fell down the hole!



Namastetmk, this is my second day, so the jury is still out so to speak. but I will let you know.
thanks elam for the website....I will take a look.

Caroline




Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 1:07pm; Reply: 25
Hi everyone!
I'm glad I coulf find so much info about candida from both Os and As.
I'm wondering whether going without food for a few days might help, provided one follows a progressive protocol towards it.
Also I would like to know if any of you heard of Neem extract, Charcoal, Organic germanium and Lactoferrin, for all of these seem to have good antifungal effetcs plus several other beneficial effects.
thanks
Damien
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 2:15pm; Reply: 26
gotainer, I personally don't see how going w/o food for a few days would help. That won't get the candida out of your system. Candida is a stubborn yeast. You'll need help getting rid of that.  :'(
I have heard of people taking charcoal tablets to absorb the "ick" in their systems and then it's carried out in, well, you know..............   ;D   Have never tried it myself.
Posted by: Stormy, Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 4:38pm; Reply: 27
I had candida a couple of years ago.  I started seeing a Natropath for low energy, depression, and eventually, started me on the yeast busters program, which is where I started giving up so much of the "bad" foods I had been eating, including sugar.  After  a few months on Yeast Busters, I continued with Olive Leaf and acidophilus daily, and then after awhile, I used other things prescribed by my ND.

I eventually gave up Olive Leaf as it started to cause some nasty stuff in my system and I was getting really sick from it.  Kept up the Primal Defence for a couple of years.  It seems that when I bloat now, it is from digestive problems, not candida.  So, I'll be looking to start back on something for that.  I also had tests done back then and confirmed  candida and a few other little critters!

I did the spit test not long ago and was pleased to see that it floated - yeah!  All that hard work and money, has paid off!  It took awhile, but worth it.  From there, although I felt better, when BTD fell into my lap, that is when dramatic changes to my health and energy began.  I committed to staying off of foods that I had started to eat again (wheat for example), and new foods that I was eating alot of while on Yeast Busters (tomatoes, pasta, potatoes to name a few), and now eat tons better - whole foods.
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 7:27pm; Reply: 28
Candida-yep.  Had a live blood analysis test done in April and one of my results was candida.  Just around the time of getting these results the candida test was posted and I tried it.  I felt like you, Bettycakes, the spit was growing tendrils before it even hit the water.  :o   Bought some of Dr. D's supplements through the advice of IfHI expert Mike/the blogger and have been taking them for over a month now.  Did the spit test the other day, and yeeeeeaaaaaayyyyy, the spit stayed on top.  Even after half an hour.  For the first week and a half I did omit fruits to help the supplements along, but couldn't handle it after that.  Missed my banana, mango, blueberry, pineapple juice smoothies in the morning.  Although, I don't tend to have them every day now.  And...feeling soooooooo much better.  Every time I turn around this diet is helping me more and more.  :D  :D  :D  :)

Debra
Posted by: suzedgar, Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 7:30pm; Reply: 29
Debra,
Which supplements did you take from Dr. D for the Candida?
Thanks
Suz
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 8:07pm; Reply: 30
debra,
can you share the protocol that worked for you?
I m sure many can benefit from your experience.
By 'protocol' I mean, what you ate and took as supplements...etc
Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 8:48pm; Reply: 31
Debra,
I am also curious...I have been battling it for  about 2 months now. (Been battling it my whole life, just realized it 2months ago) I stopped taking the  product I was on. At that point I was totally clear. I am totally "anal" about my diet, so thats not it. but this morning there was  a little tiny tendril, that after about 15 seconds  vanished, but never the less it was there. I would like to take a prophylactic, besides  my probotic, which I take  alot of. I feel GREAT other than the spit test. I think  am just a  yeast machine!!  >:(
thanks for your input!
Caroline
Posted by: Debra+, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 3:21am; Reply: 32
For candida-polyflora O and ara6.  Eating as compliantly and beneficial as possible to the O diet. Lots of protein and veggies(lots of greens especially) and heavy exercise.  Gym one day 6 a.m. and biking 8 km the next.  Also, taking the 90 lb. lab/husky dog "Tank" for a brisk 40 minute walk everyday. No fruit for the first week and a half to keep the sugar down.  Hardly any grains except for rice once in a while.  Lot's of green tea and lot's of water with sea salt and lemon juice.   Also taking the following supplements:
          polyvite O-heart problems
          deflect O and quercitin-liver
          polyflora O and fucus plus(did not receive this one until last week)-detox
          pytocal O-multi-mineral
          harmonia-vital greens (did not receive this one until last week-first day I took it I had so much energy I had to make myself go to bed-had liver that day too though)
          bromelain-this is one of the best.  :D  Almost all of achiness was gone except for in the mornings when I first woke up.  Mike suggested I up my intake to two before bed along with my flaxseed oil. Took about a week, but no achiness in joints when I wake up now.  :)

So-there you have it.  All combined has probably helped with the candida problem and hopefully the other problems that I have.  Still have to do a Heidi flush one of these days when I can find some time.  Hope that this has helped.  :)

Debra

P.S. Must not forget the  "Sip Right 4 Your Type" tea.  It has a wonderful blend that is just yummalicious.  ;) :) 

And...almost forgot-Protein Blend O.  I am trying not to take this too much and sticking mostly to whole foods.  Trying to keep this for times when I don't have anything ready made or when out of town and kitchen access is not too handy.
                                               
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 4:38am; Reply: 33
thanks for the detailed protocol debra!)
Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 5:09am; Reply: 34
Debra...WOW I am so overwhelmed  :o , Can I purchase all this a a natural food store, like Whole Foods???
Ok..the eating thing I have been following without missing a beat for 2 months. (I am not a great choice to take to a Italian Restruant thats for sure!) The fruit thing is undercontrol, I have hardly hard any. an I am a basically grain free person anyways. The only reason I have had any rice at all, is because the weight loss  from this  is getting VERY serious at this point and freaking out everyone who is close to me.
One question I have is  should your spit be absoultely clear ever day? and if it isn't, do you bring out the heavy  armour?
I finished my course of  Candiase, which is what I was put on about a week ago....still eating compliant, taking 2 probotics three times a day, 2 tablespoon of ground flaxseed and 2 tablespoons of flaxseed oil a day.
I have a REALLY sensitive stomache, so I have to becareful of adding a bunch of stuff at one time. the oregano oil landed me in the ER.
I am beginning to feel crazy..seriously.  I can't seems to  get my arms around this thing. and I know being a R.N. isn't helping because I am used to "fixing" things. the things you described...seem WAY different from the yeast  protocol Dr. D. suggest.    Oh exercise isn't an issue either, I  workout in some form 6 days a week. Being a O, I have to!  
thank you for taking the time with me on this.
Posted by: Debra+, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 12:27pm; Reply: 35
One thing that I did learn from the live blood analysis tech is that before anything else could be fixed is that I had to get rid of the candida.  She said that once that was gone everything else would be easier to heal.  :D

CarolineC-I would have no idea what to tell you to buy in a HFS to help you with this.  My suggestion is to just order the products from NAP and go from there.  Why go through the middle man when you can go to the top.  ;) :)

Hope this helps. :)

Debra

P.S.  Weighed myself this morning and I am down 3lbs.  Have not lost any weight since last July 2004.  Lots of shifting of the body though and I have lots of muscle, I realize that, but the ol' tummy needs to go.  Yeah, I know, do the tummy crunches, blah. ::) :)
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Thursday, June 9, 2005, 1:05pm; Reply: 36
Hi all and thanks for sharing some more infos about candida.
Italybound, the reason I was asking about going without food is that I read several articles about it in naturopathic journals stating that when your body is off food, it concentrates all its energy on the work to be done to restore maximum health, whatever condition you have . That's why some private hospitals and hospitals use it to treat and cure serious diseases like cancer or even multiple sclerosis. When under medical supervision, the non eating period can last up to several weeks (only a few days when on your own).
So basically I'm wondering what that would do in a candida situation.

Also I would like to say that for many years I wasn't able to comply to any serious diet (not even BTD) because of the cravings, so an anti candida diet wasn't an option (didn't know I had it anyway!). Then I started taking 5-htp and Tyrosin and since then, I have been able to eat only vegetables and rice and even enjoy it!
Posted by: jillthepilllady, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 2:22pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Bettycakes
I've taken grapefruit seed extract in the past to fight colds and flu and it was soooooo very bitter, the only way I found to ingest it was with fruit juice, which I assume is forbidden on a anti-candida diet.


Bettycakes, Grapefruit Seed Extract is available in pill form from (I believe) the original maker, GSE.  Each pill is equivalent to 14-15 drops of GSE, which I am convinced no one could consume in liquid form, due to the bitterness.  They are not perfect.  I know they contain corn, which A's can usually have some of.  But I seldom take more than 2-3 doses of the stuff in a matter of a few days.

Another wonderful Candida combination for A's is Candicin by Genestra Brands.  They are Manufactured in England for Seroyal International Inc (Toronto Canada).  It contains Oregano Oil, Clove Oil, Wormwood Extract, Ginger Extract and Evening Primrose Oil in a 100% vegetable capsule, suitable for vegatarians, vegans and type A's.  I think only doctors can order from Seroyal, but that could have changed.  My BTD doc/homeopath/ND carrys this in her clinic.  I usually use this at the first sign of anything remotely feeling like Candida.  I truly believe just sniffing the bottle starts to kill those little buggers!  It's very strong.  They recommend 1 capsule 2x daily with meals.  There are 60 capsules in a bottle and they run around $15.00US.
Posted by: jillthepilllady, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 2:28pm; Reply: 38
Good Point about GRAPE SEED EXTRACT VS. GRAPE FRUIT SEED EXTRACT.  I have only used the GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT so I can't speak for the seeds of GRAPES as being an anti-Candida remedy.

I think these two are VERY commonly mistaken for one another.  I have told people to buy GSE (which is made from GrapeFRUIT seeds) and they have purchased the other (Grape Seed extract) only to call me and say it didn't do anything.  Then we realized the mistake and corrected it.

I reapeat though, that I have never used Grape Seed extract and am not familiar with it's uses.

~jill~
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 3:13pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from jillthepilllady
Another wonderful Candida combination for A's is Candicin by Genestra Brands.  They are Manufactured in England for Seroyal International Inc (Toronto Canada).  It contains Oregano Oil, Clove Oil, Wormwood Extract, Ginger Extract and Evening Primrose Oil in a 100% vegetable capsule, suitable for vegatarians, vegans and type A's. .


Word of warning to anyone w/ arthritis. This product contains Wormwood and according to my sister-in-law who used a parasite cleanse product that contained this,   wormwood will flair arthritis symtoms in a big way. So no, this isn't personal info, but something to look in to before using IF you have arthritis. I think I may give this product  a try tho. Thanks Jill
Posted by: debs, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 4:33pm; Reply: 40
caroline i notice you mentioned you use flaxseed & flaxseed oil plus you have a sensitive tum.have you ever noticed a sensitive tum in conjunction with the oil? only i recall Dr D saying non's dont tolerate oil as well as secretors thats why we have less servings.However i too seem to notice digestive probs if i have too much oil (& even that isnt much) just a thought) :K)
Posted by: gem77 (Guest), Thursday, June 9, 2005, 7:44pm; Reply: 41
Hi, I am new. I recently started following the BTD as well as Candida diet for most of my meals/snacks. I'm also taking probiotics. I have yet to take anything to get rid of the yeast, although I do have some Candidase that I am going to start taking soon. This thread has been very helpful.

My question is, what all symptoms have you had when you've started on Candida detox? My legs have been really achy today, and there's really no reason for it. I wondered if that was a symptom.

Thanks.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 9:24pm; Reply: 42
Sarah, from my experience, your achy legs could be from eating something you shouldn't or you could be low in calcium. Or it could be something else.  ;D
Posted by: gem77 (Guest), Thursday, June 9, 2005, 9:28pm; Reply: 43
Thanks. I'm new to this, so I don't think it's the calcium thing (I was all about dairy before). I took a calcium supplement this morning, so if that is the case, maybe it will go away soon. I definitely could have eaten something I shouldn't have. I'm trying to thing of any avoid I've eaten in the past few days that I don't normally eat.

Oh, I did have a lot of red meat yesterday, and I used to rarely ever eat it. I wonder if my body is just not used to it.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 9:39pm; Reply: 44
gem77, even tho "you were all about dairy before", I wouldn't necessarily discount the calcium thing. As dairy is something that is an avoid for O's, the fact that you were eating it could have been throwing all kinds of other things off. When I had my hair analysis, my calcium was off the charts. Good? No. It meant the calcium I was taking and eating was not being ABSORBED by my body. Also, the KIND of calcium supplement you take makes a lot of difference. I was NAP Phytocal and I take it before bed.
Your body could be having a reaction to a lot of red meat all at once if it's not used to it. This eating right for your blood type thing takes a lot of "deciphering".  :)  Alot of paying attention to exactly how your body reacts to what you are eating and drinking. Worth every minute of "paying attention".   :)
Posted by: gem77 (Guest), Thursday, June 9, 2005, 9:41pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from pkarmeier
Also, the KIND of calcium supplement you take makes a lot of difference.

I'm not sure what I take. What kind should I be taking? And I should take it with a meal, right?

Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 10:12pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from debs
caroline i notice you mentioned you use flaxseed & flaxseed oil plus you have a sensitive tum.have you ever noticed a sensitive tum in conjunction with the oil? only i recall Dr D saying non's dont tolerate oil as well as secretors thats why we have less servings.However i too seem to notice digestive probs if i have too much oil (& even that isnt much) just a thought) :K)


Deb..
Funny you bring that up. I haven't had any reaction to the oil, but I have to say its not doing all that much for the  constipation. so, I added the  flaxseed that I grind myself.  Now thats a different story.. BLOAT  badly. and I don't feel good after I eat it. so, not sure I will continue. Lola suggested senna tea, but I am a little afraid considering I have such a sensitive stomach. Frankly I am "going" more...but  it is still rabbit pellets. I am really at my  wits end on this.. To be totally honest with you, when I was taking Citrucel, I did much better, but it  full of C**P.
Caroline

Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 10:14pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from gem77
What kind should I be taking? And I should take it with a meal, right?


what I take is at this link:  (this is on the NAP site)
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=BT007O

The bottle does say to take them w/ a meal, but I take them before bed, so basically on an empty stomach, but well, not really for me as we eat late and go to bed early.  I've seen a lot of people on here mention they take them at bedtime. Helps them to sleep better.

When I was having problems w/ my legs, my calcium was very low. They hurt so much they would keep me awake at night. Started taking some calcium/magnesium and poof!  legs all better. :-)   My chiro helped me out w/ this one. Also had no leusin (energy). That would've been because my iron was in the toilet. He helped me out on that one too. For what is it we need MEDICAL doctors?  Oh, oh, yes, there are some things............................  
;D
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 10:17pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from CarolineC
Deb..Funny you bring that up. I haven't had any reaction to the oil, but I have to say its not doing all that much for the  constipation. so, I added the  flaxseed that I grind myself.  Now thats a different story.. BLOAT  badly. and I don't feel good after I eat it. so, not sure I will continue. Lola suggested senna tea, but I am a little afraid considering I have such a sensitive stomach. Frankly I am "going" more...but  it is still rabbit pellets. I am really at my  wits end on this.. To be totally honest with you, when I was taking Citrucel, I did much better, but it  full of C**P. Caroline


Maybe Melissa J will jump in here and help you, as she is a nonnie too. :-)  Good luck. Those rabbit pellets aren't much fun. My g'daughters have them alot. From all the junk they eat. Sugar, dairy, wheat, did I mention sugar and junk???  Just drives me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, June 9, 2005, 10:23pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from pkarmeier


Maybe Melissa J will jump in here and help you, as she is a nonnie too. :-)  Good luck. Those rabbit pellets aren't much fun. My g'daughters have them alot. From all the junk they eat. Sugar, dairy, wheat, did I mention sugar and junk???  Just drives me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



italy,

i don't have grandchildren, still raising my own, but I do know the frustration of watching people you love eat junk!. thank you ....and your right, rabbit pellets are for RABBITS!  :X
Caroline

Posted by: 808 (Guest), Friday, June 10, 2005, 7:57pm; Reply: 50
I'm new at this. - Found out about 2 months ago that my son has candida.  Treatment is frustrating - and now we're trying Threelac along with blood diet A.  Question is - How much should I modify the A diet for the candida?  Grains are a mainstay of A's but candida diet says stay away from too many grains.  I should also mention that this kid is already quite thin.  Eliminating the grains would mean even more weight loss for him.  Anyone had any experience with threelac and A diet together?
Posted by: Susana, Friday, June 10, 2005, 8:50pm; Reply: 51
Hi cyn,

In ER4YT DR. D makes a reference to this subject. Once more I have given out my book and can not quote.  ::)

Dr. D. does mention that the term that "grains are not good for candida" is based on 1 diet for everyone. Type A's could further weaken their inmune system (less strenght to fight the candida) by following this recomendation.

Experts will be posting with good recommendations any time.

Best of luck and welcome.

:K)

PS. If you go to "Member Center" (top right) you can choose your blood type avatar, (what we all have on the left of all our posts).
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 10, 2005, 9:05pm; Reply: 52
cyn,
If you click into member center, then avatar settings, you can select a blood
type avatar, if you'd like an easy way to share your type.
tY
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Friday, June 10, 2005, 9:21pm; Reply: 53
Same as cyn: In a candida situation, as an A, should I avoid beneficial or neutral fruit or sugar in general (even honey or molasses) ? Anything specific like the problem O's have with fruit?
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Friday, June 10, 2005, 9:38pm; Reply: 54
Thanks Susana.  I didn't remember reading that.  Which book was it?  Do you recall if he mentions anything about peanut butter.  PB is specifically mentioned in all candida diets as being an absolute avoid. - and yet it's a beneficial for an A.  Also,  Gotainer asked a good question about fruit.  Avoid all sugars with candida, even beneficials - or just avoid white suger, molasses, honey, etc.?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 10, 2005, 10:05pm; Reply: 55
cyn,
I believe the peanut butter in stores is an avoid, because of the additives, glucose and hidrogenated oils...etc.
if you find organic one without sugar perhaps, that would do.
or make your own....very tasty!)
Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Friday, June 10, 2005, 10:05pm; Reply: 56
I'm not sure if anyone's asked this question, but can you ever get rid of candida if you've got amalgam fillings?  I've got some (and also think I've got candida) but I know if will be a LONG time before I get rid of the fillings, if ever at all.  Is it just a losing battle to fight this thing??   :'( :(
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Friday, June 10, 2005, 10:10pm; Reply: 57
lola,  peanut and peanut butter are an avoid for all candida diets - I think they feed the yeast.  I would love to give my son organic peanut butter but don't want to do anything wrong with the candida.  Any thoughts on eating pb and beneficial fruits?  Also, has anyone done the diet with this threelac product?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 10, 2005, 10:17pm; Reply: 58
I d be intrested in Caroline and Debra s oppinion on this, since they both have been fighting candida all along.

what do you think of avoiding all nuts?
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, June 11, 2005, 3:11am; Reply: 59
lola-The one thing I do agree with you is the store bought brand is loaded with sugar and avoids.  I did and still eat nuts and butters (homemade).  Not alot as they are high in fat and I am trying to get rid of that myself.  I don't know what the natural sugar content of nuts are.  And remember, peanuts are a legume.  :)

Debra
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 11, 2005, 5:04am; Reply: 60
thanks debra! :)
Posted by: Susana, Saturday, June 11, 2005, 9:46pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from cyn
Thanks Susana.  I didn't remember reading that.  Which book was it?  Do you recall if he mentions anything about peanut butter.


IN Eat Right 4 Your Type. Towards the end on the book where he cover some comon ailments. It is a two paragrah coment and does not mention PB or fruit. Can't remember what he says on sugar.

I have to buy the book again. I keep on buying it and and just inmediately I meet someone who can benefit and is interested... and there goes my book ::)

:K)
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:02am; Reply: 62
cyn,

I thinkI can help here some.  first of all, PB is not allowed in the diet  due to the high levels of mold in them....mold  and fungus along with sugars are the  things you wnt to  RUN from.  
I have eating a little  almond butter, because following this cadida diet I have lost  way to much weight. to be honest it si a very strict  diet. Regarding grains the only thing that you should have a little of  after a  time of  treatment is brown rice.  Fruits are absolutely out!  As are mushrooms,  honey, actually any sugars. Vegetable glycerin is OK. You have to think about  cadida as a  growing yeat organism. it needs  certain things to  grow, live and survive. The  restricted diet is to start to starve it. and trust me in its own way it get s very  "mad", that is where the  sugar craving come in.
How old  is your son?   I would suggest veggies and non avoids meats and fish.
It is truly a battle of sorts....Dr. D has a very good yeast protocol for candida..I would start there.  Is  your son also  fighting constipation?  that is  common and I am dealing with this myself and I am still experimenting with  what works for me.  
Of  course you can go the medical route and take  the persribed medications. but  the drawback to  that is that you really feel awful during the process, and it doesn't teach you how to continue prtecting your system from it. it is vitual  to keep your flora n good shape, during and after  candida.
here are some links  that include  the diets...i used them in the beginning and  took off anything that was BTD avoid for me.
http://www.wholeapproach.com/
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/index.html
please feel free to ask a question anytime...it really is a day by day learing  experience.
Good luck!
Caroline
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:38am; Reply: 63
Quoted from CarolineC
You have to think about  candida as a  growing yeat organism. it needs  certain things to  grow, live and survive. The  restricted diet is to start to starve it. and trust me in its own way it get s very  "mad", that is where the  sugar craving come in.


So back my previous post: should you try to go without food for a while along with some antifungal remedies like grapefruit seed extract?
Posted by: TheViking, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 7:04am; Reply: 64
Will candida make us more reactive to alcohol?

Might not be that strange, since it's alcohol, but I get a brain fog from just ONE glass of red wine.. Is that normal?

It's just lately that I've had one glass of wine and stopped there - before it was more like when I drink I drink etc, but since starting here in uni it has become more usual to just have a glass.. I still party from time to time, only drinking red wine now though.   Anyways, how much of a brain fog are you suppose to get from just one glass of red wine?

Just thought it might have something to do with the candida since someone said that it will also give you cravings for alcohol in a previous post..
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 9:28am; Reply: 65
From what I remember of the yeast info I read, alcohol would be an avoid, with sugar being the BIGGEST. Sugar actually FEEDS the yeast, not to mention we'd be better off if we could ONLY avoid it altogether.  :'(  Very tough to do!
Posted by: TheViking, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 11:29am; Reply: 66
Tell me about it :/

I want to start fighting that horror within, but I've read that not pleasing it makes you feel very tired all the time etc, so guess I better try that after I'm done with the exams.. Only two more weeks to go though :)

Is it possible to fight the candida by just avoiding stuff eating the wrong things etc, or do we have to get any specific supplements or similar?
..I read some pages selling things to take while fighting candida, but is it neccessary?
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 11:48am; Reply: 67
Thanks to all.  It's really comforting to talk with others who understand problems.

Caroline - you mention Dr. D's candida protocol.  Where would I find that?

Susana - I too can't find my book but the only thing I recalled was a mention of candida under the O section and it just said to follow the appropriate diet.  I don't think it mentioned any additional restrictions.

Anyone out there do threelac?  Yes, the grapefruit seed extract and garlic were working, but taking oh so long and causing incredible gas (mainly upper digestive tract) with just a fraction of a dose and my son was just losing too much weight.  Threelac says you can be a litte lax on your foods and still have success. ???  Any thoughts?  
Posted by: debs, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 12:01pm; Reply: 68
Hi cyn
have ou done the candida spit test yet?
i too have done other candida protocols but am now doing threelac with its enzymes & oxi(something?) to blast the little beggars.like all things it takes time which us o's are notorious for wanting to hurry up ;D i like three lac it has a lovely fresh lemon taste & when i eat it i'm imagining lemon cheesecake yum  :P ;D well a nonnie can dream cant they 'sigh'
i also use citricidal(g/seed extract) which i figured 1)i already had it why waste it? & 2) lets blast them beggars let them know i mean business.
However its hard i find symptoms come & go i suppose in line with as the candida slowly dies off.today the skin on my hands feels extremely dry & tight.
Body brushing i find very good.its very encouraging to brush & see the dust fly off.i imagine its the candida coming off & i brush a bit harder & imagine its me & my light sabre coming after the rotten sith Hee Hee i know getting carried away ;D ;D
hope it helps you
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 12:04pm; Reply: 69
Caroline - I just checked out the website yeastintectionadvisor and see they say it's okay to eat sour cream (from real cream), cream cheese, and butter.  This is so confusing because other sites say candida diet shouldn't include those things.  I'm looking for higher calories foods.  I notice that you used almond butter for that reason, but  my son is an A and shouldn't have almonds.  Any suggestions? - Are you eating all your good oils for your constipation?
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 12:10pm; Reply: 70
debs,  sounds like you like the threelac.  We just started it 2 days ago and I think I'm going to do the same thing you are - when this gas situtation gets better, add the anti fungal back in.  But how do you know when the overgrowth is completely gone?  Even after you feel better - how long to continue, and on what - probiotics, anti fungals or both?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 1:40pm; Reply: 71
cyn, I'm not sure which list you are looking at, but almonds are neutral for A's UNLESS he, individually, has a reaction to them. I looked in the TYPEbase4 on this site, link is located on the home page.
debs in your last post you said "i also use citricidal(g/seed extract)", by g/seed, you mean grapefruit seed extract, correct? Just wanted to make the clarification for others that havent read all the other threads re: this, so they don't mistakenly think that meant grapeseed extract.  ;D
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 2:19pm; Reply: 72
italybound,

 you're right.  thanks for the correction.  Almonds are neutral, as is almond butter.  I'll try that for the added calories.  For the last few days I've been doing almost all (95%) super beneficials but of course that can't be kept up for too long. - Also, regarding  grapefruit seed extract -

debs - how is that working?  Are you taking the full dose per day?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 2:29pm; Reply: 73
and what would the full dose of g/seed extract be per day?
cyn, thank goodness almond butter is neutral for O's too. I would be lost w/o some kind of butter. Would love to find walnut butter, but no luck. Not brave enough to make my own. I know someone out there knows how, tho. :-)    Do you need a food processor or can you use a blender?
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 3:35pm; Reply: 74
italybound-throw some walnuts and olive oil/grapeseed oil in your food processor/blender and whirl around to the texture you like and voila-instant walnut butter.  Just put a bit of oil in in the beginning and when it is churning up you can add the oil to the consistency you like.  Pumpkin seeds, almonds, etc.-the same.  Less expensive this way also.  Enjoy.  :)

Debra
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 4:17pm; Reply: 75
Oh, debra, thanks so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I'm going to try to do that today. :-)
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 4:44pm; Reply: 76
I second that thanks to debra.  I'm going to try making the walnut butter today.  May sound strange but how do you eat it?  Plain - or on something - and it so, what?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 5:25pm; Reply: 77
debra, made the walnut butter. Yummy!!!   I added some of the Himalyan Salt w/ 84 minerals, I think it is, to mine. Gave it just the right taste.   I had to use a blender, but I think a food processor would work better. It's not exactly the consistency o a nut  butter, but will do. :-)  I'm going to eat mine on cinnamon/raisin ezekial bread w/ just a smidge of molasses. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.............
Right now I'm eating it w/ a rice cake and Basha's Lemon Lovers hommus from WF. If you love lemon, you'll love this. It does have a bit of corn oil in it , but other than that, it's okay and GOOD!!
cyn, I would say you could use the walnut butter in any of the ways you would use peanut or almond butter.
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 5:54pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from gotainer


So back my previous post: should you try to go without food for a while along with some antifungal remedies like grapefruit seed extract?


Gotainer,

I'm not an expert on this  but have done about 2 months non stop research on it..so please don't take it as law.
I would not stop eating.....thats not  going to  healthy for you unless your fasting for a purpose. The diet itself is  a sort of "fast", because you fasting from anything that feed those little "aliens". EX: sugar, grains, etc.. etc.. that along with  your candida products whichever you choose to do will take care of it.  I personally wanted something that would eliminated the dead yeast out of my body, that is why I chose the one I did, but since I have  had this probably since a teen..I am adding things to it.
that help?
Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:00pm; Reply: 79
Quoted from TheViking
Will candida make us more reactive to alcohol?

Might not be that strange, since it's alcohol, but I get a brain fog from just ONE glass of red wine.. Is that normal?

It's just lately that I've had one glass of wine and stopped there - before it was more like when I drink I drink etc, but since starting here in uni it has become more usual to just have a glass.. I still party from time to time, only drinking red wine now though.   Anyways, how much of a brain fog are you suppose to get from just one glass of red wine?

Just thought it might have something to do with the candida since someone said that it will also give you cravings for alcohol in a previous post..


If your fighting candida , I would stay off the wine for now. wine = grapes = sugar = trouble.
Normally, red wine would be fine...you spoke about the brain  fog...do you also get a headache? If so, you  are probably sensitive to sulfites. There are  some orgainic wines without it. I am learning to enjoy them. if youlike I can give you the names.
Caroline

Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:09pm; Reply: 80
Quoted from TheViking
Tell me about it :/

I want to start fighting that horror within, but I've read that not pleasing it makes you feel very tired all the time etc, so guess I better try that after I'm done with the exams.. Only two more weeks to go though :)

Is it possible to fight the candida by just avoiding stuff eating the wrong things etc, or do we have to get any specific supplements or similar?
..I read some pages selling things to take while fighting candida, but is it neccessary?


I personally have found that in my case the suplements were more than necessary. I think it might  depend on how long you have had it...also, the diet alone wold take a very long time. this thing is stubborn and hard to get rid of. If you have had it for any length of time, then its more difficult to get  rid of.
Caroline
Posted by: 689 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:19pm; Reply: 81
Repeated antibiotics, steroids, birth control pills and nutritionally unbalanced
and deficient diets encourage candida overgrowth. Once this occurs, the candida organism emits toxins which further weaken the immune system, causing health problems of many types. Since your immune system is connected to your hormones and nervous system, candida can be a major factor in premenstrual syndrome (PMS), sexual dysfunction, endometriosis, sugar cravings, fatigue, headache, depression, poor memory and low body temperature. Candida cause many digestive and skin problems. In 1999, the Mayo Clinic reported that 96 per cent of people with
chronic respiratory symptoms showed fungi (related to yeast) in their sinuses.
Yeast overgrowth in the digestive tract also weakens the lining membranes. As a result you develop a "leaky gut" and absorb food allergens and toxins which play a part in both making you tired and developing other symptoms.

So do the Spit Test:
Try this simple test to see if you have a candida yeast infection. First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, get a clear glass. Fill with water and work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour. If you have a yeast infection, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy" saliva will sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be suspended in the water. If there are no stings and the saliva is still floating after at least one hour, you are probably yeast infection free.

-Stay Cool
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:19pm; Reply: 82
Thanks a lot Caroline.
I'll follow your advice. Fasting all by yourself is dangerous anyway.
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:22pm; Reply: 83
Quoted from cyn
Caroline - I just checked out the website yeastintectionadvisor and see they say it's okay to eat sour cream (from real cream), cream cheese, and butter.  This is so confusing because other sites say candida diet shouldn't include those things.  I'm looking for higher calories foods.  I notice that you used almond butter for that reason, but  my son is an A and shouldn't have almonds.  Any suggestions? - Are you eating all your good oils for your constipation?


cyn... regarding the  website, you have to balance that WITH  the BTD..funny thing I actually turned Dan the  website author onto the BTD, and I think has started following it.
Iwould stay away from Sour cream myself.  I  understand the  weight loss issue, I am about 5lbs under weight at this point because of it...and fighting to get some back. I did check the TYPEbase4  list and it says almonds/almond butter is ok for your  son (unless I am reading it wrong) also walnut butter. It will add some fat to his diet.

Regarding if I am eating oils.. OHHH am I ever.  besides my usual olive oil, I take 2 TBS of flaxsee oil and 2 TBLS of flaxseed that I grind... soooooooo yep, that part is taken care of. I'm getting to  really like that flaxseed oil WAY to much  ;D
Hope this helps, Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:35pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from cyn
debs,  sounds like you like the threelac.  We just started it 2 days ago and I think I'm going to do the same thing you are - when this gas situtation gets better, add the anti fungal back in.  But how do you know when the overgrowth is completely gone?  Even after you feel better - how long to continue, and on what - probiotics, anti fungals or both?


This is a way to monitor  candida in your system.  when you first get up in themorning.. Do not take  any water, brush your teeth  etc.  Take a glass of water and  spit in it.. observe your spit. healthy spit is just basically bodyfluids  that will quickly dissolve in t the water quickly. IF you see any tendrils ( the will kind of look like jellyfish tendrils for lack of a better  example) coming down intothe glass or you see any sediment, then you have yeast in your system. You can do this as often as you want. its easy and quick.
Caroline
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:37pm; Reply: 85
Quoted from CarolineC
There are  some orgainic wines without it. I am learning to enjoy them. if youlike I can give you the names.Caroline

CarolineC, I don't know if anyone else wants the names o' those wines, but I sure do. I do occasionally like to imbibe but it does always tend to give me a headache. Figured it was the sulfites. Thanks

Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:50pm; Reply: 86
Quoted from pkarmeier

CarolineC, I don't know if anyone else wants the names o' those wines, but I sure do. I do occasionally like to imbibe but it does always tend to give me a headache. Figured it was the sulfites. Thanks



Italy,  the one I have in the  refrigerator now is Orleans Hill Cote Hill 2003. You have a Whole Foods near you right? the have a section of different ones also. If you don't when I go  this week I will jot  down a few. I am in California, so they will probably be California Wines, is that a problem?
Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 6:52pm; Reply: 87
One more thought regarding  almonds or walnuts
If the Candida is  affecting your tonque (mine is badly) then just watch the intake. the  symptoms would be  if your tongue  gets sore at all or starts to have  some smooth or raw spots.
Caroline
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 7:33pm; Reply: 88
CarolineC, thanks for the wine info and California wines would not be a problem. Ya think I'm prejudice or sumpin?  ;D ;)
Posted by: debs, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 9:07pm; Reply: 89
Quoted from cyn
debs,  sounds like you like the threelac.  We just started it 2 days ago and I think I'm going to do the same thing you are - when this gas situtation gets better, add the anti fungal back in.  But how do you know when the overgrowth is completely gone?  Even after you feel better - how long to continue, and on what - probiotics, anti fungals or both?

you repeat the spit test at regular intervals,
on one of the sites its recommended to take threelac 1 or 2 boxes for every year you've had candida.However how one knows how long you've had candida for his anybody's guess.I would stick my neck out & suggest that as long as you do regular spit tests you'll know & can act accordingly as and when.How does that sound to you?
being a non secretor i personally take probiotics all the time as i figure i need all the help i can get,plus sooner or later i may need antibiotics(not willingly but with my gnashers at least you never can tell ;D)
i thonk somebody asked me something else but i cant seem to find it now sorry about that but ask me again if i havent answered your question ok?
:K)
Posted by: Bettycakes (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 9:10pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from pkarmeier
debra, made the walnut butter. Yummy!!!   I added some of the Himalyan Salt w/ 84 minerals


Hmm, what is this product, and where can I find it? Thanks.

Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 9:43pm; Reply: 91
Bettycakes, I'll go get my box and give you the info. Someone on this forum gave me the info and can't remember who it was and can't find the email. I believe it was a gentleman. He knows who he is.  ;D
I will warn you before you go to the website, this stuff is incredibly expensive. However, I figure I could be spending it on junk, so better to spend it on something good. It is also a little pink in color, but barely.
http://www.americanbluegreen.com
There ya go.  ;)
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 9:48pm; Reply: 92
Quoted from CarolineC
Dr. D has a very good yeast protocol for candida.


Caroliine - or anyone know where I can find Dr. D's yeast protocol for candida?  I don't remember reading it.  Is it on this website?  Thanks

Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 9:54pm; Reply: 93
Debs,  thanks for spit test info. I heard about it before on threelac ad but never thought about it to monitor how you're doing. And never done it.  My doc never suggested it - just sent for yeast blood test.
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 9:58pm; Reply: 94
The Protocols are on the Home Page under the Solutions Tab.  They are, however, currently unavailable until July 1st.  I'm still trying to figure out the Encyclopedia, so maybe someone else will be of help to you.Sorry
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 10:03pm; Reply: 95
Quoted from cyn
Debs,  thanks for spit test info. I heard about it before on threelac ad but never thought about it to monitor how you're doing. And never done it.  My doc never suggested it - just sent for yeast blood test.


Hmmmm...... imagine that, the dr never suggested it, just sent for blood work. Well............. that'd be about right.
:'(
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2005, 10:11pm; Reply: 96
Quoted from pkarmeier
The Protocols are on the Home Page under the Solutions Tab.  They are, however, currently unavailable until July 1st.  I'm still trying to figure out the Encyclopedia, so maybe someone else will be of help to you.Sorry


Anybody know how I can find the Dr. D's protocol for candida somewhere else?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 10:21pm; Reply: 97
do you have the encyclopedia?  I'm guessing not but thought I'd ask.  :)
Posted by: Wulf, Sunday, June 12, 2005, 10:48pm; Reply: 98
Cyn,

You need to look at the Yeast Fungus Resistance Protocol for Type A on page 291 in the Encyclopedia.

1- Stinging Nettle Root. UDA Plus 1 - 2 capsules daily
2- Elecampane  500mg: 1 capsule with meals 1-2x daily
3- Caprylic acid 350mg: 1 - 2 capsules, twice daily away from food.
4- Betaine HCl, 250mg: 1 capsule with large meals.
5- Oregon grape, 250-500mg: 1 - 2 capsules, twice daily

Use this protocol for 6 weeks.

Other options would be the Immune Enhancing Protocol or the Antibiotic Support Protocol.

All the products mentioned should be available if required through the NAP online store at this site.

Paul
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Monday, June 13, 2005, 1:02am; Reply: 99
Thanks Taswolf.  Question about spit test - Does it still work if yeast was intestinal only - no yeast in the mouth?
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 13, 2005, 1:27am; Reply: 100
Betty,
the himalayan salts?

I bet you can get them at WFs.......
or just any salt preferable sea salt, for the nut butter.
is that what you wanted to know?
Posted by: italybound, Monday, June 13, 2005, 1:42am; Reply: 101
you may be able to find the Himalyan salt at WF's,  don't know if it would be this brand.The package says "Imported exclusively by and distributed by American BlueGreen, LLC.  Would be intersting to see if it IS at WF's and if it is, if it's any cheaper. Would be COOL!!(sunny)
Posted by: CarolineC, Monday, June 13, 2005, 2:14am; Reply: 102
Quoted from pkarmeier
CarolineC, thanks for the wine info and California wines would not be a problem. Ya think I'm prejudice or sumpin?  ;D ;)



Okie dokie, I will get  the names of ALL of them..I assume you only do reds , right???
Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Monday, June 13, 2005, 2:21am; Reply: 103
Quoted from cyn
Thanks Taswolf.  Question about spit test - Does it still work if yeast was intestinal only - no yeast in the mouth?


cyn, yes the spit  test should  work.. if its in your intestial track it is in your mouth..have you  ever noticed your tongue coated either  white or yellowish?
Posted by: CarolineC, Monday, June 13, 2005, 2:29am; Reply: 104
Bettysue,

you can get himalayan salts alot of places now.. beside the nurtional value, they at least in California the  new "hip" thing... kinda like when all of a sudden  on star started drinking  green tea and the whole world acted like it just landed on the planet.
High end grocery stores carry it, definitely Whole Foods does and if you have a good  HFS they will have it...its very nice.
Caroline
Posted by: 689 (Guest), Monday, June 13, 2005, 2:33am; Reply: 105
Candida and friends rob the body of nutrition and cause incr toxicity
that can contribute directly or indirectly to the following conditions:

Adrenal/thyroid problems
Allergies
Arthritis
Asthma
Blood sugar problems (diabetes, hypoglycemia)
Celiac disease
Chronic fatigue syndrome/Fibromyalgia
Cognitive difficulties
Colitis/irritable bowel syndrome
Crohn's disease
Depression
Diarrhea/constipation
Endometriosis
Fatigue
Food cravings Gas/bloating
Hormonal imbalance
Hyperactivity
Insomnia
Liver spots
Liver stress
Malabsorption
Menstrual problems
Premature aging
Over/under weight
Skin rashes
Vaginal yeast/ bladder infections
Water retention
Posted by: archer (Guest), Monday, June 13, 2005, 5:26am; Reply: 106
Quoted Text
Quoted from cyn
Thanks Taswolf.  Question about spit test - Does it still work if yeast was intestinal only - no yeast in the mouth?

cyn, yes the spit  test should  work.. if its in your intestial track it is in your mouth..have you  ever noticed your tongue coated either  white or yellowish?


Or in the morning your mouth will feel slimy. That is yeast/candida/fungus.
Posted by: debs, Monday, June 13, 2005, 5:53am; Reply: 107
cyn-yes.
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 11:14am; Reply: 108
Thanks everyone for spit test info.  I had been concerned about monitoring yeast in future cause so many people say it can come back again so eaily.  It seems like if you do the spit test once a month after all is gone - you should be able to control it.  Right?  
Posted by: archer (Guest), Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 1:49pm; Reply: 109
cyn

I am just speaking as someone that dealt with this problem. You are correct about the once a month spit test to monitor the yeast balance. I generally can tell by how my mouth feels in the morning upon awakening. If it is slimy, like excess mucous, there is to much yeast.
Posted by: jillthepilllady, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 3:45pm; Reply: 110
OK>......PLEEEEEZE help!  I did this test today.  I had been up for while (on this site!) but hadn't eaten or drank or brushed teeth.  I spit in a glass of my water which is filtered with a Reverse Osmosis system.  It had some tendrills coming down gently, slowly for a few seconds but nothing long, and nothing thick.  I walked away and came back in 15 minutes and there was nothing there.  SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?  SOME CANDIDA BUT NOT ALOT?  DOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF WATER YOU USE?  SHOULD I HAVE USED MY SKUNKY WELL WATER FROM MY TAP THAT'S FULL OF RUST AND NITRATES FROM THE FARMERS FIELDS ALL AROUND US???

I am quite positive that I have Candida.  I get the mouth sores, the sugar cravings and yeast infections on a fairly regular basis and I've done very little as far as treatment lately to think that I tested negative or only mildly positive.  WHAT GIVES?

~jill~
Posted by: CarolineC, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 6:25pm; Reply: 111
Quoted from cyn
Thanks everyone for spit test info.  I had been concerned about monitoring yeast in future cause so many people say it can come back again so eaily.  It seems like if you do the spit test once a month after all is gone - you should be able to control it.  Right?  


Cyn, After you have the Candida under control, once a month is probably ok...I can tell right away, now that I am aware of the difference of have a lot of yeast in my system and not the difference in my mouth. I don't  personally find my mouth slimy as much as (and this  sounds strange Iknow) my teeth kind of have a sticky feeling.
And you right it can come back very easily.
Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 6:32pm; Reply: 112
Quoted from jillthepilllady
OK>......PLEEEEEZE help!  I did this test today.  I had been up for while (on this site!) but hadn't eaten or drank or brushed teeth.  I spit in a glass of my water which is filtered with a Reverse Osmosis system.  It had some tendrills coming down gently, slowly for a few seconds but nothing long, and nothing thick.  I walked away and came back in 15 minutes and there was nothing there.  SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?  SOME CANDIDA BUT NOT ALOT?  DOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF WATER YOU USE?  SHOULD I HAVE USED MY SKUNKY WELL WATER FROM MY TAP THAT'S FULL OF RUST AND NITRATES FROM THE FARMERS FIELDS ALL AROUND US???

I am quite positive that I have Candida.  I get the mouth sores, the sugar cravings and yeast infections on a fairly regular basis and I've done very little as far as treatment lately to think that I tested negative or only mildly positive.  WHAT GIVES?

~jill~


Jill,
I am not an expert on the water used. I have just used plain tap, but I am going to try purified also to see if any difference, but I don't think it matters, simply because people all over the world  do this and they all have different types of  water.
From what you said, yes  you have candida, it is the first 30 seconds that is the  time measure. Just by the symptoms you mentioned says your a Candida candidate.  Another thing to consider.. is what you ate the day/night before. I find that is a big  component, I have played around with it.  
Are you following the Candida diet or have you stated taking any treatment? That will affect your spit also. Mine started to change very quickly..BUT changes back quickly so its definately still alive and kicking in me. I'm thinking probably 6 months of being really strict. (doesn't make you the life of the party, thats for sure!)
If you can remember, put a glass of water next to your bed, and try doing it first thing in the morning after you wake up, while the yeast is concentrated.
Let us know how you do with differeent water and timing. I will try different water also.
Caroline
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:33pm; Reply: 113
Jill.  I just did this once but I think when you came back 15 minutes later and there was nothing there, it had probably sunk to the bottom.  With no yeast overgrowth the saliva would float on the top only.  So, yes you do have candida according to the spit test since you had the tendrills.  At least that's how I understand it.
   Anyone know if the spit takes longer (10 or 15 minutes) to develop those tendrills - does that mean less yeast than if it happens as soon as the spit hits the water?  Or other changes that indicate improvement?  We need encouragement!!!
Posted by: CarolineC, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 10:46pm; Reply: 114
Regarding the Spit test....

I did some checking on the internet and  found a site that included a picture (worth a millions words), after readint his  site, Jill  you  do  need to use  bottled water NOT tap water, because of the  minerals and chemicals in the water...ALSO, you check it up to an hour... here is the link, this willproabably answer any questions about the test. it cleared up some for me... wish my water would clear up this fast!  :'(

http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html

along with that here is a  link to a site I found quite a while ago, it includes an actual test.
http://www.wholeapproach.com/  Its called"System  Assessment Questionnaire"
check them out.
Caroline
Posted by: Poly, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 8:08am; Reply: 115
After reading this highly interesting thread, I took the spit test and found I was definitely a Candia-Candidate!

For about a month I've been taking a supplement called Dida (contains Cinnamon oil, Olive leaf, Oregano, Garlic and some more stuff...) to clear out the Candida.

Lately (3 weeks) I've been "suffering" from crazy cravings. I'm feeling hungry immediately after eating dinner (I'm eating a low carb diet and watching all the Candida-friendly foods) and have this "itchy - twitchy" feeling all night. I feel like I did back when I was a smoker and had run out of smokes. Actually the pack of ciggies I have been keeping from the day I quit over 9 months ago, is starting to look tempting! Can you believe it? ::)

At the same time, the Dida-tablets suddenly began to smell icky to me, and some mornings I really didn't feel like taking them. I did anyway, but they still gross me out.

I read somewhere (on this thread?) that Candida can make you have cravings to make sure it gets fed. As if it controles your brain somehow.  :o

Is it too far out to think that that's what happening now? The Candida's last battle trying to make me stop killing it and feed it instead? I feel so invaded! ICK!  :P :X
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Thursday, June 16, 2005, 1:36pm; Reply: 116
Anybody know how to ease overwhelming gas (part of candida detox)?  It's been going on for 9 weeks - yeast definitely getting better because there are times between gas build up when feeling so much better - but still much time when gas is present and oh so bad.  Any suggestions?  Tried baking soda, simethycone.  Anything else out there?  Thanks to all.
Posted by: suzedgar, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 2:37pm; Reply: 117
Is the gas part of the candida die off? I felt like I was going to explode yesterday - it seems to be from taking deflect.  Have others found this happen?  Cyn - are you taking deflect?  I am taking caprylic acid, UDA Plus (stinging nettles), fucus, grapefruit seed extract, acidophilus, Biotin and vitamin C powder. it seems only when I take the deflect that I get really gassy.
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Thursday, June 16, 2005, 2:54pm; Reply: 118
suzedgar,  Dont know what deflect is.  This is my son (also A) and he's taking threelac, PB8 (combination of more probiotics), and digestive enzymes.  He took grapefruit seed extract at one point in all this but the gas was too much to handle.  Maybe that's whats doing it for you.  Or maybe it would be any combination of things that result in die off. (maybe some people have more gas than others?  or maybe it's due to more yeast overgrowth?)  Still wondering though - is there anything to help that gas buildup?  
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Thursday, June 16, 2005, 5:06pm; Reply: 119
Still asking about gas problem.  Also, does anyone really know how long this candida detox thing takes?  So much online info comes from companies trying to sell products, so can't really believe them.  They usually say things like that die off lasts a week or 2!  What is the truth?  I read something that said that die off lasts for as many months as the number of years one has had yeast overgrowth. (I think thats assuming sticking to diet and taking supplements that fight candida all along)  Make sense to anyone?  (Of course I don't know how long the candida has been present anyway)  Just looking for the light at the end of the tunnel.  
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:42pm; Reply: 120
CYN,
I think someone in this thread mentionned Charcoal as something able to lower the die off symptoms. But Charcoal, among many other things, is also known for limiting bloating and gaz. Plus it's a detoxifyer. You should definitely give that a try.
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:45pm; Reply: 121
By the way, Deflect is a lectin blocking formula sold in the ABO store. Never tried it, but NAGlucosamine alone works quite fine for A's.
Posted by: CarolineC, Friday, June 17, 2005, 12:12am; Reply: 122
Quoted from Poly
After reading this highly interesting thread, I took the spit test and found I was definitely a Candia-Candidate!

For about a month I've been taking a supplement called Dida (contains Cinnamon oil, Olive leaf, Oregano, Garlic and some more stuff...) to clear out the Candida.

Lately (3 weeks) I've been "suffering" from crazy cravings. I'm feeling hungry immediately after eating dinner (I'm eating a low carb diet and watching all the Candida-friendly foods) and have this "itchy - twitchy" feeling all night. I feel like I did back when I was a smoker and had run out of smokes. Actually the pack of ciggies I have been keeping from the day I quit over 9 months ago, is starting to look tempting! Can you believe it? ::)

At the same time, the Dida-tablets suddenly began to smell icky to me, and some mornings I really didn't feel like taking them. I did anyway, but they still gross me out.

I read somewhere (on this thread?) that Candida can make you have cravings to make sure it gets fed. As if it controles your brain somehow.  :o

Is it too far out to think that that's what happening now? The Candida's last battle trying to make me stop killing it and feed it instead? I feel so invaded! ICK!  :P :X


Poly, well I guess I cold welcome youto the Candida "family", but I wish I wasn't in  it. :'(
How long will it take... gosh that depends on  so many things. How compliant you are to  the treatment and  diet. I have been told it also depends on how long it has been in your body. If it has been  in the system long enough to cause Leaky Gut, then a long time. I think I have had it since I was atleast a very young teen, so I am hoping that  within the next 30 years it will be gone (just kidding, I HOPE)  
As far as the cravings go... Oh yeah they are  miserable, and even after you eat, because quite  frankly you haven't (if you following the diet exactly) have not given it anything to feed on and  well its fighting for its life. I feel like I am constantly fighting this alien throught out the day.. it yells  SUGAR and I yell SHUT UP! and eat some  protein.  Like you I feel very invaded, hence I call it an alien.
I personally can't help you with the Dida...as I can't take most of whats in it. Perhaps someone else is familar. there is a tons of "products" out there your  right.
Hope this answers some of your questions
Caroline
p.s. I am not an expert in Candida, but I have learned alot FAST!
Posted by: archer (Guest), Friday, June 17, 2005, 12:51pm; Reply: 123
For those of you that are trying threelac, would you at some point let us know how it is working for you? Thanks
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Friday, June 17, 2005, 1:29pm; Reply: 124
archer,  been using threelac for less than one week so I can't yet say.   Maybe someone else who's been using it longer can comment.
Posted by: TheViking, Friday, June 17, 2005, 3:17pm; Reply: 125
I gave in.. :/

Trying to study for final exams (and the depression that comes along with it) is enough on it's own not having to get all the ill-effects of dying candidas as well :s

..Just hope this short period of about one week will let them grow too much.

Looking forward to hearing about some threelac results :)

Since I'm starting on a gluten-diet - to test if I'm coeliac - after I'm done with the finals, I take it that is not going to be good for the candida either(?). So when I start my candida battle in 2-months time (if I can manage to stay on the gluten-diet that long) there should be a lot of forum members here with much invaluable candida-fighting-experiense to learn from :)

Or will there be no problem fighting the candida and at the same time eat rye, barley and other gluten stuff ? (plan to stay away from the horrible wheat though)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 17, 2005, 9:31pm; Reply: 126
viking,
I d stay clear of grains (even if they are compliant)......
and away from carbs......
concentrate on protein, fats and veggies, while you re in exams......

why would you want to load on gluten, if you know you react to it.....
eat as a celiac with candida.......
you will not stress your body as much eating that way.
you need all the energy you can have now that you are in exams.
Posted by: Poly, Friday, June 17, 2005, 9:48pm; Reply: 127
Quoted from CarolineC
p.s. I am not an expert in Candida, but I have learned alot FAST!


Thanks for you excellent reply, CarolineC. An alien - that's exactly how I feel about Candida.

Hm, I'm afraid I've had it for years. I remember years ago wondering why my tongue always looked coated and hating the slimy feeling I had in my mouth in the morning. Well, the slimy feeling has gone now - now I only need to get rid of the coating on the tongue, my sometimes irritated colon and all the other stuff.

We'll beat this thing!

Posted by: suzedgar, Friday, June 17, 2005, 9:50pm; Reply: 128
Poly,
What have you done to fight this Candida thing - this thread is so long I wasn't sure if you had posted your protocol!
Suz
Posted by: CarolineC, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 5:41am; Reply: 129
Quoted from Poly


Thanks for you excellent reply, CarolineC. An alien - that's exactly how I feel about Candida.

Hm, I'm afraid I've had it for years. I remember years ago wondering why my tongue always looked coated and hating the slimy feeling I had in my mouth in the morning. Well, the slimy feeling has gone now - now I only need to get rid of the coating on the tongue, my sometimes irritated colon and all the other stuff.

We'll beat this thing!

Poly,

I know we will beat it...today I feel very beat down about it. I again have two sores on my tongue....and I know what I did. I went with a friend  for lunch...she insisted on Mexican ( An O nonnies enemy) well, I order some chicken breast and dumped some fresh salsa on it.. BINGO within a 1/2 hour I had a blister on my tongue and one under my tongue and then a sore came. I am in  such pain today.
I am really depressed.  and I am mad at myself because I felt like I had been in such a great place mentally and emotionally about it, like a  soldier  on the front line, today I just feel beaten down..feel like a good cry is in order.  :'(



Posted by: archer (Guest), Saturday, June 18, 2005, 6:53am; Reply: 130
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Poly,

I know we will beat it...today I feel very beat down about it. I again have two sores on my tongue....and I know what I did. I went with a friend  for lunch...she insisted on Mexican ( An O nonnies enemy) well, I order some chicken breast and dumped some fresh salsa on it.. BINGO within a 1/2 hour I had a blister on my tongue and one under my tongue and then a sore came. I am in  such pain today.
I am really depressed.  and I am mad at myself because I felt like I had been in such a great place mentally and emotionally about it, like a  soldier  on the front line, today I just feel beaten down..feel like a good cry is in order.


Is this an open sore that is extremely painful? Kind of like a herpes sore or open blister with what appears to be raw flesh exposed?
Posted by: CarolineC, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 7:09am; Reply: 131
Quoted from archer


Is this an open sore that is extremely painful? Kind of like a herpes sore or open blister with what appears to be raw flesh exposed?


yep, these are like the ones we  talked about before just not as bad... one is under my tongue like my tooth keeps hitting it or something and is cancer sore. The other one happened 1/2 hour after the salsa...its not a  canker sore, just a round white sore spot  that is now going away.  remember when I first started this candida thing, after I went off the BTD wagon and did the cucumber, tomato, italian dressing binge? and then moved on to strawberries and mushrooms??? it was then that I did the spit test and it looked like a jellyfish... remember????
Caroline
Posted by: archer (Guest), Saturday, June 18, 2005, 2:01pm; Reply: 132
Caroline,

Yes I remember. I just didn't put it together at the time. I just wonder what species it is. Is it in the central portion of the tongue or the white sore-if you try to scrape it off leaves a red raw sore? You also have oral thrush right?

Posted by: CarolineC, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 3:52pm; Reply: 133
Quoted from archer
Caroline,

Yes I remember. I just didn't put it together at the time. I just wonder what species it is. Is it in the central portion of the tongue or the white sore-if you try to scrape it off leaves a red raw sore? You also have oral thrush right?



the one on the tip of my tongue is now 99.9% gone, and that is the one I got right after the salsa...it is almost like a sore lingual papillae. I have had geographical tongue since I was  young..so "ptobably" thatis the answer.
the other  nasty ne is underneath my tongue, being constantly hit  bymy bottom teeth and it is round  with white in the middle, which is now starting to leave and under it is just a hole that is red and hurts. I also have had these since a child. No I don't have thrush. Swishing with salt water give relief for a while, I feel like I am on a bus and it won't let me off.
::)
Caroline

Posted by: Poly, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 4:13pm; Reply: 134
Quoted from suzedgar
Poly,
What have you done to fight this Candida thing - this thread is so long I wasn't sure if you had posted your protocol!
Suz


Hmmm, my protocol! (think) Well, let's see...  

I'm eating a fairly strict low carb diet that's almost grain- and sugar free. I've been on Atkins for 8 months (lost 47 lbs), so I guess I've been starving the Candida without really knowing it. Now I've eliminated alcohol, any type of vinegar, cheese and mushrooms as well, and to make Candida's life even more miserable I'm taking a supplement called Dida* in the morning and probiotics in the evening. On the Dida-package it sais you should take 2 tablets a day for 45 days and then 1 tablet a day.

I've been pretty bloated for the last couple of weeks. I hope it's tha Candida's final death-struggle. (I must admit that it sometimes smells as if someone laid down and died inside me!  :B)

* 2 tablets of Dida contains: 10 mg Cinnamon Oil, 6 mg Fennel seed oil, 6 mg Peppermint Oil, 300 mg Oregano leaf, 200 mg Olive Leaf, 150 mg Calendula Officinalis, 150 mg Thyme, 100 mg Cardemom, 100 mg Cloves and 67 mg Garlic.

CarolineC, I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by: archer (Guest), Saturday, June 18, 2005, 5:08pm; Reply: 135
Caroline,

What I find amazing is the effect of eating foods not good for your blood type  stimulated the growth of the sores. This would suggest the macrophages and neutrophils were busy combating the effects of the meal and they let down their guard against the fungus. Once they dealth with the meal, they attacked the fungus and encased it by phagocytosis causing the white puss like blister so it can't spread. By not having thrush I am leaning to a different species other than candida although it could still be atrophic candidosis. Aspergillus and histoplasma capsulatum are both airborne fungi that we are all exposed to on a daily basis. Histoplasma causes these sores usually after it has become quite systemic in nature. The sheer fact that it is going away so fast indicates your body is winning the battle and if it is that species there is a tremendous battle going on in your body.

Since I don't fully understand yet the effects of eating foods not for your blood type, is what I am saying making any sense? Do these bad foods cause this kind of response by the immune system?
Posted by: CarolineC, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 5:17pm; Reply: 136
Quoted from archer
Caroline,

What I find amazing is the effect of eating foods not good for your blood type  stimulated the growth of the sores. This would suggest the macrophages and neutrophils were busy combating the effects of the meal and they let down their guard against the fungus. Once they dealth with the meal, they attacked the fungus and encased it by phagocytosis causing the white puss like blister so it can't spread. By not having thrush I am leaning to a different species other than candida although it could still be atrophic candidosis. Aspergillus and histoplasma capsulatum are both airborne fungi that we are all exposed to on a daily basis. Histoplasma causes these sores usually after it has become quite systemic in nature. The sheer fact that it is going away so fast indicates your body is winning the battle and if it is that species there is a tremendous battle going on in your body.

Since I don't fully understand yet the effects of eating foods not for your blood type, is what I am saying making any sense? Do these bad foods cause this kind of response by the immune system?


I know your learning about BTD here and your expertise is fungal "stuff" so its confusing to you... but Yes eating avoids cause all  kinds of situations. headaches, "arthritic" symptoms, fibromyalgia, IBS..I can go on and on....
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Saturday, June 18, 2005, 5:24pm; Reply: 137
caroliine - back to the original posting on this thread - you mentioned in your posting today about your spit test.  I tried it the other day for the first time and asked everyone around me to try it.  When we all had all these jellyfish like things hanging down from it, I asked other people who don't live with me to do the same thing.  Everyone described tenticles hanging down from the spit.  Soooo, does anybody get spit that just sits on top of the water?  Is this test really a good way to test for candida? Or do we just all have yeast overgrowth???
Posted by: CarolineC, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 5:55pm; Reply: 138
Quoted from cyn
caroliine - back to the original posting on this thread - you mentioned in your posting today about your spit test.  I tried it the other day for the first time and asked everyone around me to try it.  When we all had all these jellyfish like things hanging down from it, I asked other people who don't live with me to do the same thing.  Everyone described tenticles hanging down from the spit.  Soooo, does anybody get spit that just sits on top of the water?  Is this test really a good way to test for candida? Or do we just all have yeast overgrowth???


theres a great question...I do know that IF I have had no foods (sometimes they are hidden), I have done it and the spit litereally just dissipates. From what I understand, it is normal for everyone to have a little yeast..but I could be wrong, but the tendrils  like your describing..are not normal and candida is present.
I have  fooled around with ithe spit test a little....I  decided one night after having some almond butter not to brush my teeth and see if it made a difference. Next morning the spit was clear. My thinking was may be it made a difference if you brush your teeth and night or not.  Nope makes no difference. Strange, huh? I know you don't know all the blood types of the people  who did the test for you, but that would be interesting.
Cyn, its like I said before. its like walking in a room blind, trying to find the door and there is no knob. ::)
The new poster Archer, is a specialist in Candida and yeast problems, but new to BTD. I introduced him to it. He has alot of information....but learning about BTD.
Caroline
Posted by: archer (Guest), Saturday, June 18, 2005, 6:27pm; Reply: 139
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Soooo, does anybody get spit that just sits on top of the water?


I do and my 9 yr old daughter does, it just dissapates. At least the last time I did it on a dare. I cannot say if it is like that everyday though. All of us have yeast in our bodies that is forced to make vitamins, mainly B's. It is entirely possible that the level fluctuates from day to day. The best indication is the length of the tendrils or legs, longer they are, the worse it is. A spider webby spit, how I used to be, is the worst. It will commonly go from top to bottom of the glass and look like a spider web, not the smooth tendrils or jellyfish legs.

No one knows why the spit has this reaction in the water as far as I know. You could test your stool for yeast and do a test for yeast antibodies. High levels would indicate that it is indeed yeast or some type of fungus. Many types of fungus will test as yeast but a fungal analysis will reveal the species.
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Saturday, June 18, 2005, 11:25pm; Reply: 140
I need one of my kids to add a quoted text and their not around now so I'll just tell you what I referring to!!  Regarding archer's comment that you find the effect of eating foods not good for your blood type amazing - Almost 2 years ago I discovered that I had a fairly rare autoimmune disease and the only treatment for it was prednisone.  I was desperate to find something else.  I read about someone who "cured" himself using the blood type diet.  I got the book and started eating as many beneficials as I possibly could since I was fighting disease.  I noticed the improvement within a week or two but it took more like about 5 or 6 months to get where I could totally control the disease.  And by avoiding my avoids I stay disease free.  Of course I cheat sometimes and usually have no reaction - probably because I eat many more beneficials and neutral that seem to counteract the avoids. I am controlling my illness with absolutely no medication - just by eating A diet.  Archer, you're right, it is amazing!
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 19, 2005, 2:31am; Reply: 141
cyn,
your story IS powerfull!!
thanks for sharing! )

hope you don t mind my quoting you, to all who are trying but do not believe!
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Monday, June 20, 2005, 11:41am; Reply: 142
Wow! Keep doing spit testing and have more questions.  Does it mean that there's more yeast overgrowth if the tendrils come down soon right after you spit?  My son (candida problems for past year) did a spit test this morning that had very little coming down from top and it took a long time.  But he's still reacting (major gas build up) from probiotics and enzymes.  (For 8 weeks before these probiotics he did anti fungals - garlic and grapefruit seed extract - but had to stop that because he had so much gas from that - and we were only doing 1/4 of a tablet because of the gas)  What's going on?  His spit test was better than mine and yet he has so much gas from treatments that he feels sick (nausea, dizzy, constant burping).  Pleasssse somebody help!
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Monday, June 20, 2005, 1:45pm; Reply: 143
CYN,
Have him take Charcoal and see if that makes it possible to continue the treatment. It's helping me a lot with the symptoms your son is having, including nausea. I decided to try it a few days ago, and it even lowered the die off symptoms.
Good luck!
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Monday, June 20, 2005, 1:57pm; Reply: 144
GOTAINER,  Thanks for the suggestion.  He has tried charcoal (and simethicone and baking soda) and not sure if helped or not - maybe it has sometimes - he just has so much.   But we'll try the charcoal again. -  When you refer to "die off symptoms" (apart from gas) what are you talking about?  I thought the gas itself was die off. What other symptoms were lessened?   Thanks
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Monday, June 20, 2005, 6:57pm; Reply: 145
Cyn,
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the main die off symptom was extreme fatigue. I think it was mentioned at the beginning of the thread by several people.
By the way, my girlfriend who also has candida, had the same reaction as your son when she started taking probiotics. It took her about a week to get used to them. She started using grapefruit seed extract one week before the probiotics but this alone didn't have significant side effects, maybe because she's increasing the amout of drops she takes very gradually.
Posted by: CarolineC, Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 4:58am; Reply: 146
Quoted from cyn
Wow! Keep doing spit testing and have more questions.  Does it mean that there's more yeast overgrowth if the tendrils come down soon right after you spit?  My son (candida problems for past year) did a spit test this morning that had very little coming down from top and it took a long time.  But he's still reacting (major gas build up) from probiotics and enzymes.  (For 8 weeks before these probiotics he did anti fungals - garlic and grapefruit seed extract - but had to stop that because he had so much gas from that - and we were only doing 1/4 of a tablet because of the gas)  What's going on?  His spit test was better than mine and yet he has so much gas from treatments that he feels sick (nausea, dizzy, constant burping).  Pleasssse somebody help!


cyn, technically you can watch the spit for up to an hour, but I have found that the faster  ir develops the worse it is.. when I first  did the spit test.. it was  3 seconds and the tendrils were dangling, probably 5 good  size ones.  it sounds like he is geting ahold of  the  yeast. and Gas is a major issue with dying off yeast. I have not experienced it and you said he is not constipated  right?  I am wondering if something else is not going on...has he ever had diverticulitis or  any other bowel issues?  is  the gas  ALL the time or after he eats...if so how long after he eats?
is he doing any Food combing or have we gone over that already?
Caroline
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 12:27pm; Reply: 147
caroline,  I read earlier in this thread that you also had some good spit days.  At this point is your yeast under control?  My son isn't constipated and his gas is high up - it pushes up (maybe on his esphagus?) and that's what makes him feel nauseus.  So I wouldn't think it's an additional problem in his bowel.  It builds up when he's taken all his probiotics and enzymes for the day (often worse late in the day).  Eating brings it on only when he already has alot of gas - it seems like the food is competing with the gas for the space in his gut. While it's been nine weeks of die off and that gas just keeps coming (and he's had every die off symptom I've read about - flu like symptoms, numbness in legs, original yeast overgrowth symtoms like dizziness and foggy brain), there's no question that he's better today than he was even two weeks ago.  How long did your die off last?  I know I read you had tongue sores.  Are they gone now?  What is food combing?    
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 7:53pm; Reply: 148
I'm kind of freaked right now.  My son has had all candida symptoms and then when taking anti fungals, probiotics and digestive enzymes had die off symptoms.  But his spit tests have been good (better than mine) and his naturopath just called to tell me that his yeast levels are normal.  I'm really scared because what would cause him to have such a bad reaction to all those treatments (for 9 weeks he's had bad die off and loads of upper body gas)  If anyone has any ideas please let me know.  I'm absolutely terrified and have no idea what this could be.  Would appreciate any ideas.  I don't know what to do or where to turn.  Thanks
Posted by: suzedgar, Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 7:58pm; Reply: 149
It sounds like he has killed the yeast off and that was what all the symptoms were - I am experiencing gas and constipation right now and blurry vision from taking the supplements. I woulld take this as very good news that he has kicked the yeast
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 8:07pm; Reply: 150
suzedgar,  are you reacting to the supplements?  Do you still feel like you're experiencing die off?  Thanks   Cyn
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 8:21pm; Reply: 151
suzedgar,  Reread my first posting on this subject (3 postings ago) and I didn't say that my son is in pretty bad shape right now.  Maybe it's the same thing you're talking about but I'm not sure.  He has had upper body gas for the last 9 weeks (today is terrible) and has had flu like symptoms on and off (reactions to any supplement he takes) and has this weird thing with his body thermostat (gets overheated all of a sudden).  Somehow I don't think it's reaction to the supplements because he stopped for about 10 days a couple of weeks ago and it only got worse.  I don't know what to do.  Sorry to ramble on but I just spoke with his doc who said to go off everything for 2 weeks and then reevaluate.  She really didn't seem to know either.????  Help!
Posted by: suzedgar, Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 9:00pm; Reply: 152
oh - I'm so sorry - I didn't read the thread closely enough.  Have you taken your son for a n examination with another physician to get a second opinion?  Has he had full blood work etc done?
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 9:25pm; Reply: 153
no, he just went to one doctor.  She had him do a blood yeast test.  Is there more blood work that should be done?  I also just remembered something.  Someone told me that a yeast test could show a false negative if someone's been taking antifungals, etc.  But then again, there's his spit test which looked pretty good.  Obviously, I'm real confused.  Again,  all literature always says that if you have die off with antifungals it confirms a yeast overgrowth.  Is there another intestinal/ stomach problem that would also cause die off?  Thanks suzedgar and anyone else there with ideas.  
Posted by: suzedgar, Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 9:27pm; Reply: 154
Cyn,
Yes  - I have been taking caprylic acid and grapefruit seed extract but I just added UDA Plus (stinging nettle) and Polyflora O and now I find I am very bloated and very constipated - I attribute it to die off.  It is very unpleasant
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 9:42pm; Reply: 155
suzedgar, how long have you been treating your yeast?  Have you been experiencing die off reactions and gas throughout?
Posted by: suzedgar, Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 10:03pm; Reply: 156
I have been taking caprylic acid, grapefruit seed and doing the diet for two months - with no gas or constipation. It has only been since taking the UDA Plus and Polyflora O that I am really bloated and constipated.  I am also experiencing pretty bad joint pain.  
I think this is a good sign although very uncomfortable -the only problem is that it is important to not be constipated - so I'm not sure what to do about that
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Tuesday, June 21, 2005, 10:41pm; Reply: 157
With the antifungals - did you have die off reactions?  Now, with the probiotics, you have different reactions - none of which you had before - right?  I don't understand why you think this is good and it means the yeast is over.  Please explain because it actually is similar to my son.
Posted by: suzedgar, Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 12:58pm; Reply: 158
The constipation, bloating and gas are the die-off reactions.  It means that the yeast is being killed which is a good thing.  It is very uncomfortable but at least there is progress.    I am also very tired.  

Last night, i did not take the UDA Plus and today I feel much less tired and am not constipated.  I am going to take a break like this every two days so that I am not constipated all the time and don't feel tired and bloated.  

I only just added the UDA Plus and Polyflora O to my protocol. I believe that these supplements are very powerful and effective.
Posted by: suzedgar, Wednesday, June 22, 2005, 1:29pm; Reply: 159
Has anyone tried Dr. D's UDA Plus as part of their protocol to kill the yeast.  John at NAP swears by it.  It is in the encyclopedia as part of the yeast protocol.
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Friday, June 24, 2005, 1:01am; Reply: 160
Does anyone know how to take bentonite powder?  It just says on the bottle to take 1/2 tsp. and drink glass of water.  I tried mixing the bentonite in the water but it didn't blend and I ended up with all these claylike blobs.  Anyone used the powder before?
Posted by: Wulf, Friday, June 24, 2005, 1:05am; Reply: 161
Bentonite is actually a fine clay.

I would think you would need to swallow it off the spoon and then follow up with the water to wash it down.

In our industry it is commonly used to re-inforce earth works such as dam walls and road excavations. It is also widely used in pottery clay.

I didn't realise it also had medicinal qualities. I presume you don't want any 25kg bags ...

Tas
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Friday, June 24, 2005, 11:57am; Reply: 162
Hey tas,

Swallow powder off the spoon?  Not sure about that.  Anybody actually used the powder?  
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 25, 2005, 12:34am; Reply: 163
who told you to take it in the first place? )
and for what purpose?
maybe we all can learn something new! )
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Sunday, June 26, 2005, 9:58pm; Reply: 164
Has anyone checked that out?   http://www.health-truth.com/articles/breakthrough06.asp

They seem to have a specific approach of fighting candida. I'd like to have your opinion about it.
Posted by: CarolineC, Monday, June 27, 2005, 2:41am; Reply: 165
Sounds really interesting....wish  he had gone in a little further  on what he uses. that way we cold see if it lines up with  Dr.D.  
Gotainer , are you in the  area thathe practices? Are you going to see him?
Caroline
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Monday, June 27, 2005, 6:51am; Reply: 166
Caroline,
Unfortunately, I live in France, so I won't be able to check the guy's method, which, from what I understand, you have to pay and be there to follow. Still, the phases seem logic, and the connection between candida and detoxification pretty original, and worth considering.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, June 27, 2005, 8:51am; Reply: 167
;D saluti g.tainer :D
sometimes I may remember all to have a look who's the autor; very important also the
psychismen of him and I think in his case one is able to short things much more... ;D  ;)
Posted by: CarolineC, Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 2:46am; Reply: 168
Quoted from gotainer
Caroline,
Unfortunately, I live in France, so I won't be able to check the guy's method, which, from what I understand, you have to pay and be there to follow. Still, the phases seem logic, and the connection between candida and detoxification pretty original, and worth considering.


thats is the way I read it, that  you had to go for a consultation. it wasn't something that was done through the internet.
Caroline

Posted by: 808 (Guest), Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 12:58am; Reply: 169
Does anyone have stomach gas (burping) that goes on constantly?  It's been almost 10 weeks since starting treatment and the upper body gas is tremendous.  At least it's being released now - before it was just kind of trapped much of the time.  Any ideas about this and what to do about it?  Thanks you all.
Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 2:46am; Reply: 170
Quoted from cyn
Does anyone have stomach gas (burping) that goes on constantly?  It's been almost 10 weeks since starting treatment and the upper body gas is tremendous.  At least it's being released now - before it was just kind of trapped much of the time.  Any ideas about this and what to do about it?  Thanks you all.


cyn... is  this your son your speaking about and  it is STILL going on? has the spit test shown there is no more candida?  There sounds like there is some changes  going on... he is an O blood type right?  have you tried Seltzer Water to help with digestion of food?  
Caroline
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 3:19am; Reply: 171
Yes, this is my son - he's type A like me.  He had one spit test that looked good but then they looked bad again.  I think that happened because he was out of bed too long before I had him spit in the glass.  Anyway, the candida is definitely still there.  All through his yeast overgrowth and then with treatment, gas has been a problem.  He's stuck to a candida diet and been taking anti fungals - which he could barely tolerate because of that upper body gas.  Now he's doing threelac and that same thing is going on.  I don't know if this is just an extreme die off symptom or what.  We've tried everything for the gas - seltzer just fills him up more.  One way the gas has changed is that it used to be trapped in his stomach and would make him nauseaus.  Now he's able to release it - he burps constantly.  Even though that seems like an improvement, I guess I'm just so frustrated because it's been so long.  Thanks, Caroline.  Ever heard of this before?  I would probably feel better if I could understand it.  The unknown is so hard to take!
Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 4:05am; Reply: 172
Sorry Cyn, I forgot he was a A.....If he is a secretor which we  will assume he is, unless you have had the testing done, then seltzer water or any "bubbly water" is an avoind for him. So that wouldn't help at all. Personally I haven't heard of this issue with Candida. but I sure an  no  expert on it.  yes, medically I have seen this, but that was treated totally differently than BTD.
Is that the only (don't mean that  like its not a big deal, because it is) "symptom of die off he is having? No constipation or diarrhea?  and the only thing your taking is the ThreeLac.?
I actually did a search on "excess burping and Candida", I came up  with a good website, as I began to read it, it  was pro "threelac", which I thought was interesting since you are using  Three Lac. On the website one of the symptoms of Candida is excess burping.  So, it sounds like your doing the right thing and its a matter of getting a hold of this Candida.  I will give you the website:
http://www.kickcandida.com/threelac.html. There is also  an expert on the message board, that has dealt strictly with Candida for years, his screen  name is Archer. but his Website is http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/index.html. he is also a advocator of Three lac.  I think you could email both of them and "pic their brains" on this issue also.  
I know it must be an annoyance for your son....but I know there is an answer .
Hope this helps,
Caroline
Posted by: archer (Guest), Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 4:32am; Reply: 173
Threelac seems to work for some and not for others and quite frankly, I do not know why, but am trying to figure it out, slowly but surely. I don't necessarily advocate it because of this reason. I have heard some conflicting reports and the jury is out on the long term effects of spore forming lactic acid bacteria. I have also heard that threelac is actually a competitor to yeast and does not eat it as they claim. Course some of this I heard from Natren, so who knows since they are a competitor, although a competitor that has been in business for yrs and does make a good probiotic. I do know also that it seems once you stop taking it, you loose any benefits you may be receiving. Course most probiotics are that way.

I am not sure why cyn's son is having this problem but I am concerned that the doctor said that his yeast levels in the blood where normal? In the blood is what bothers me, yeast should not be found there unless it has punctured the lining of the intestine..

I think a stool test for yeast and bacteria-good and bad is in order. I have seen this before and it was a bacteria of some kind and was detected by the stool test.

Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 5:02am; Reply: 174
Expert advise needed..............

I have now  got a  whole new symptom going on with this Candida. Its really "getting to me".  After  eating, and its a meal  full of protein and veggies, with flaxseed meal and  flaxseed oil. I leave the full and satisfied. Approximately 30 minutes after the meal....I am getting  a sugar craving that practically drives me up the wall. it takes everything in me to  not head for the  fastest  sugar product I can find. I  have experienced  plenty of these cravings during this  now 3 month stint, but this is almost predictable and  FAR more intense.....and in an odd way, it leaves me rather wiped out fighting it. sounds silly huh?
Insite?
:-/ Caroline
Posted by: archer (Guest), Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 2:06pm; Reply: 175
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I am getting  a sugar craving that practically drives me up the wall.


I remember this all to well, talk about getting irritable. After it was over in a week or two, it was all downhill from there.
Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 8:22pm; Reply: 176
Quoted from archer


I remember this all to well, talk about getting irritable. After it was over in a week or two, it was all downhill from there.


Dan,
But this is after what? .. three months of this nonsense. I mean I  have had sugar cravings off and on... so I guess I am wondering, if  it runs in courses.. of dying oiff. Are there steps and symptoms that go along with those stages? Unfortunatly, I am still getting some very small sores on my tongue...ythey seem to crank  up  with the cravings.  I think a  Sci Fi should be made  out of  this kinds  thing.. CANDIDA...............The  Man eating Yeast!
And your so right....you get so irritable, you don't even know who you are!  I know the  yeast is leaving..because I can see it in the  glass of  water, but no one has told my tongue that in the morning.. its still yellow.  OK..I have ranted!
>:(
Caroline

Posted by: 808 (Guest), Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 8:49pm; Reply: 177
Caroline,  I don't know anything about cravings (not something that my son has had a problem with) but I was wondering - Since the cravings and irritability (actually that is something my son has had big time) are part of die off, would it help to take charcoal for it?  If this sounds crazy, just ignore it.  But my thinking was that since cravings are part of die off and charcoal helps with die off in general - maybe it would help.  Cyn
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 8:53pm; Reply: 178
Caroline - Just thought of something else.  Is it the particular food you are eating?  I'm sure you're thought of this before.  You say it happens 30 minutes after eating - with all food or just certain ones trigger the craving reaction?  Cyn
Posted by: archer (Guest), Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 10:33pm; Reply: 179
Quoted Text
But this is after what? .. three months of this nonsense. I mean I  have had sugar cravings off and on... so I guess I am wondering, if  it runs in courses.. of dying off. Are there steps and symptoms that go along with those stages?


We are all different and seem to suffer different with this. I had extreme digestive problems but never had thrush or the white coated tongue. The sugar cravings I should say went from wanting to crawl out of my skin and tear someones head off, to milder cravings that would come and go less frequently and eventually disappeared. It took about 10 months for me to beat this and I spent a large amount of money on supplements. But, I had suffered for so long I would not give in and didn't care what it cost. I threw every antifungal under the sun at it, sometimes in rotation, and sometimes all at once. I rotated probiotics in large doses, 15 billion or more, and at one time took 6 packets a day of threelac along with other things. I took digestive enzymes and systemic enzymes later to clean up the mess. I studied and read everything I could get my hands on to understand the beast, and let me tell you what, this can get really wicked!!

I sometimes wonder if I had known about the BTD if I couldn't have beat this sooner but the diet I followed was sort of designed for type O's since it was of my own design mostly. I took all the different diets I came across and when they were in agreement, added a little common sense and nutritional knowledge, and it worked for me.

The charcoal is an interesting idea and betonite clay is supposed to draw out toxins as well, but I don't know for certain, only what others have told me.

Not  sure why I have shared my story but that is just what came to mind in this post. I hope it helps someone in some small way  :)
Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 11:22pm; Reply: 180
Quoted from archer

The sugar cravings I should say went from wanting to crawl out of my skin and tear someones head off, to milder cravings that would come and go less frequently and eventually disappeared.  But, I had suffered for so long I would not give in and didn't care what it cost. let me tell you what, this can get really wicked!!
I sometimes wonder if I had known about the BTD if I couldn't have beat this sooner .


Dan,  first of all in the three months I have known you, you have  helped me more than you will ever know! I really feel like you have held my hand the whole way.. thank you so much for that!
the craving you described up in your post  cover it perfectly, I felt like last night, I need to go somewhere away from people or it could have been ugly. Like you said, I have  like others on here have had  the craving come and go...but thisis like clockwork. and it happens in the evening.  the food  doesn't matter, last night was Wild Salmon and  a BIG salad (thats pretty much my ususal, a protein and salad) I was wanting to REALLy enjoy this dinner as the Salmon was 16.99 a  pound. Had to sell my first born....so 1/2 hour later when I was absolutely miserable it was upsetting  >:(  I am not going to give up..although  since this started about 4 days ago, I have thought about it. But I am disaplined, you don't lose 150lbs and not be.  Being in the medical field, we like to undersand whats going on and be incontrol of our body. WELL, I have had my doubts on who is in control!, me or the alien  
So, Dan, what exactly did  you do when this hit.. just  white knuckle it?  
I also don't understand this  tongue  business....Like everyone else there is a morning ritual.. do the spit test...like I said its  WAY better.than before . then stick out the tongue (get the mental?) and its  yellow!!!!!!  I am  thinking ....What the H***????  
Since I had this problably childhood...I guess I am looking a very  long haul of just  walking blindly through this.  Its now about 20 minutes after eating and I feel it coming on..I thinkI would  kill for a piece of See's candy!
::)
Carolyn

Cyn..I haven't tried charcoal....and the clay sounds absoutely disquesting!  Is it suppose to kill cravings?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:52am; Reply: 181
caroline,
how about you try a smaller salad, and double the salmon!?
just a thought.........
now that I m eating basically more protein, good fats and very few carbs, I have no cravings at all.......(I do not have candida though........but always get cravings if I overdue my carbs)
Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 2:05am; Reply: 182
Quoted from lola
caroline,
how about you try a smaller salad, and double the salmon!?
just a thought.........
now that I m eating basically more protein, good fats and very few carbs, I have no cravings at all.......(I do not have candida though........but always get cravings if I overdue my carbs)


that is defintiely worth a try....I have been sitting here thinking about my  thoughts  on why I was doing it  the opposite.. and I think they were this ....More  bulk (help with the constipation) and I am use to eatig salad to fill me up, so there isn't much room for the protein in my stomach.  Tonight I made a stir fry  with some of the left over salmon...again lots of veggie and  little salmon.. and  it took about 45 mnutes before it  hit me..I actually left the house and took a fast walk.
Tomorrow night I will go heavy on the proteins and light on the veggies.
thanks Lola.....
xo Caroline

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 2:57am; Reply: 183
;)
anytime caroline!

it works for me!
protein and fat makes me happy, happy!! )
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Thursday, June 30, 2005, 6:06am; Reply: 184
Carolin,
I've had the worst cravings in the beginning of the candida diet. My past diets taught me that in my case, getting over them was not a matter of pure will. So I tried 5-htp as I knew serotonin was the neurotransmitter responsible for those cravings, and it changed everything. I only took it for two weeks and now I can go without it, and the cravings are no longer there. Actually, they are so much lighter, it's like they are not here, because I really can overcome them easily.
If you could find a supplement suitable for O's, increasing the level of serotonin, that would be worth a try.
Hang on anyway and keep us informed!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, June 30, 2005, 6:12am; Reply: 185
;D  :K) bravo Monsieur- bravo :K)     ;)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 30, 2005, 10:04pm; Reply: 186
perhaps glutamine might be suitable to control cravings in Os?.......
Posted by: CarolineC, Friday, July 1, 2005, 1:59am; Reply: 187
thank you gotrainer, I will keep that in mind....actually I beefed up the protein to night and  downplayed the veggies and NO sugar cravings AT all.. I feel like a new person, and I don't want to scratch the face off everyone I see!! this is a good thing!

Lola.... big hug!!!

Caroline
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 1, 2005, 2:11am; Reply: 188
;)
good to know it s working!!!
nice job!
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Friday, July 1, 2005, 7:07am; Reply: 189
I'm glad to hear that Caroline. Way to go!!
Posted by: Poly, Friday, July 1, 2005, 10:43am; Reply: 190
Caroline, your symptoms sound exactly like mine. See my post from June 16th.:

Quoted from Poly
Lately (3 weeks) I've been "suffering" from crazy cravings. I'm feeling hungry immediately after eating dinner (I'm eating a low carb diet and watching all the Candida-friendly foods) and have this "itchy - twitchy" feeling all night. I feel like I did back when I was a smoker and had run out of smokes. Actually the pack of ciggies I have been keeping from the day I quit over 9 months ago, is starting to look tempting! Can you believe it? ::)


I beat the cravings just like you have described and have been adviced to do: When you crave sugar - eat protein! The cravings are gone! Hah!  :D

I'm still feeling a little bloated, especially in the afternoon, but it's slowly getting better every day!

We'll beat this thing!
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, July 3, 2005, 3:36am; Reply: 191
Poly,

I'm so  glad you  pointed out that post to me.. because  I read what I posted back to you.....it was a great reminder!
Caroline
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Sunday, July 3, 2005, 2:51pm; Reply: 192
Hi all !
Has anyone ever heard of silica or colloïdal silver? Some people on a french forum I just read claim they got rid of candida pretty fast thanks to them.
I'm looking for any info about that.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 3, 2005, 11:06pm; Reply: 193
http://www.heallix.com/
here s what you are looking for! )
Posted by: gotainer (Guest), Monday, July 4, 2005, 9:26am; Reply: 194
thanx Lola!
Posted by: ion, Monday, July 4, 2005, 1:14pm; Reply: 195
Hallo everybody

I think Iam just about to join the club.
I did the spit test and it seems so.
I'll be certain after the blood test.
Mean while is any one can tell me which are the avoids and where in the site I'll  find more about?
Posted by: debs, Monday, July 4, 2005, 4:36pm; Reply: 196
my trouble atthe moment feels like i'm killing off the candida but not eliminating it very well.i feel very 'bunged up'
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, July 4, 2005, 5:45pm; Reply: 197
debs-try drinking warm water with lemon in the mornings. Wait about 20 minutes or so before you eat anything.  It helps to get the bowels moving.  Mike/blogger suggested this to me as I was having a wee bit of trouble with that and it seems to have helped quite abit.  :)

Debra
Posted by: debs, Monday, July 4, 2005, 5:49pm; Reply: 198
Hi debra i do that already,i drink two pints of it in the morning.i do eliminate but very irregularly.i do feel its this candida. :-/
Posted by: CarolineC, Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 9:45pm; Reply: 199
Quoted from ion_amygdalou
Hallo everybody

I think Iam just about to join the club.
I did the spit test and it seems so.
I'll be certain after the blood test.
Mean while is any one can tell me which are the avoids and where in the site I'll  find more about?


Hi Ions,

Here are two websites that have the avoids on them...you will need to  follow the candida diet and BTD.  You being a B, who eats grains it will mean no grains, sugar and a few other things.
Post anytime your confused, someone will be around to help you
http://www.wholeapproach.com/   and   http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com

Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 9:52pm; Reply: 200
Quoted from debs
Hi debra i do that already,i drink two pints of it in the morning.i do eliminate but very irregularly.i do feel its this candida. :-/



Debs,

I don't know if you remember, but about a month ago, I was having the same problem to the degree it was giving me headaches and I felt toxic.
I personally am taking Candex, Caparylic acid, garlic extract, 2 tbs ground flaxseed and a dose of  oil...along withmy normal things.  I have recently on the suggestion of the  company that makes Candex added a Magnesium supplement thta is 1000 mg a day. I  have experienced  a great deal of relief.. I'm not sure if it  just the  Candida is getting under control, I still a little in my glass in themorning, or the added Magnesium.   Just a thought.  
Caroline
Posted by: ion, Tuesday, July 5, 2005, 10:42pm; Reply: 201

Hi carolinC
thanks a lot.
I follow the thread and I can feel your  agony and stress.
Wish you for best results soon.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 1:50am; Reply: 202
Quoted from cyn
Does anyone know how to take bentonite powder?  It just says on the bottle to take 1/2 tsp. and drink glass of water.  I tried mixing the bentonite in the water but it didn't blend and I ended up with all these claylike blobs.  Anyone used the powder before?


Yes, I have used bentonite powder before.  Bentonite powder is very hard to mix.  You can buy it already mixed up.  It has been a long time since I have mixed any up, but from what I remember I used a little battery powered mini blender to get the mixing started.  It is probably best to mix it in a glass jar so that you can put the lid on it and shake it too.  You need to mix a cup or two, water volume, up at a time and let it sit to fully mix in the clay.  I kept it in the refrigerator after I mixed it up.  After it mixes up and sits for a day it will be thick like pudding.  Use a tsp or so of the mix each time you use it.
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 2:29am; Reply: 203
Hi Don -  Many thanks

Hi Ion,  Welcome.  I actually think the spit test is more reliable than a blood test.
Cyn
Posted by: debs, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 5:04am; Reply: 204
is bentonite powder the same as beconite clay?if not how do you mix that up?
Posted by: ion, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 10:46am; Reply: 205
Halo Cyn
You are breaking my heart by saying so.
I really do hope that test will be negative,although I'm preparing my self to face it up.
I' m checking the sites and I am now reading  all the necessary infos.
Soon I'll plan my attack to it.
Thanks.
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 12:27pm; Reply: 206
Ion,  I'm so sorry to upset you.   I don't know how often this happens but my son had a false negative blood test result.  In his case he'd been taking antifungals and probiotics for 2 months before the test.  I believe it's far more accurate when done prior to any treatment - which may be the case with you.

debs,  They are the same - my Bentonite Powder bottle says it is 100% bentonite clay.
Cyn
Posted by: debs, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 8:02pm; Reply: 207
thanks.i think i must have been doing it wrong.i :Bmine didnt come with any instructions.was just told to mix it in water.yuck.it was horrible.i was eating lumps of the stuff.tasted like soggy chalk ugh! i'll give your recommendations a go.i might have even been eating too much of it.i was using 1 teaspoon of clay to some water & drinking the lot.did you mean use 1 teaspoon let it soak to a pudding & eat a teaspoon of the pudding at a time ? or did you mean use a teasppon mix to a pudding & then eat the lot?thanks for your help :K)
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 9:09pm; Reply: 208
I just mix enough of the bentonite powder in the water until it starts to thicken a little.  Start with small amount and keep adding as needed.  I am sure it is a lot more then a tsp.  Let it sit for a day or so and it will thicken a lot more.  Sorry I don't have a more exact recipe.  I then take a standard plastic rounded spoonful with my soaked ground flaxseed.  I mentioned plastic because you are not supposed to handle the clay or powder with metal.
Posted by: Poly, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 9:28pm; Reply: 209
Quoted from CarolineC
Poly,

I'm so  glad you  pointed out that post to me.. because  I read what I posted back to you.....it was a great reminder!
Caroline


Caroline, I'm happy to. Your replies have helped me a lot!

Thanks!  :)

Posted by: Don, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 9:45pm; Reply: 210
I have read conflicting information regarding if the following food items can be eaten or avoided while on a candida diet.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Nutritional Yeast
Herbal Teas
Tamari (soy sauce)

What are others opinions or experiences concerning these items?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 11:11pm; Reply: 211
someone posted the following:

''good yeasties found in nutritional yeast will fight the bad candida yeasties.''
hope this helps
Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, July 7, 2005, 2:24am; Reply: 212
Quoted from ironwood55
I have read conflicting information regarding if the following food items can be eaten or avoided while on a candida diet.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Nutritional Yeast
Herbal Teas
Tamari (soy sauce)

What are others opinions or experiences concerning these items?


don,
Here are  the food list that I have gone by for the last 3 months or so (of course I balance them out with BTD list)...it does say that nutritional yeast is a no no..but apparently its not according to Dr. D.
I do not  eat anything that  has the slightess chance of fermentation process, that would be vinegar..
I hope these list help.  I also don't eat any left overs refrigerated or not  after 24 hours.
http://www.wholeapproach.com/ and http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com.
Caroline


Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, July 7, 2005, 2:24am; Reply: 213
Quoted from Poly


Caroline, I'm happy to. Your replies have helped me a lot!

Thanks!  :)


thanks Poly... that makes it all worth  while. :)
Caroline

Posted by: sue_ab, Thursday, July 7, 2005, 2:28am; Reply: 214
Quoted from lola
someone posted the following:

''good yeasties found in nutritional yeast will fight the bad candida yeasties.''
hope this helps


Just to add re nutritional yeast....it doesn't contain active yeast that is why it is OK.

Sue.

Posted by: 808 (Guest), Saturday, July 16, 2005, 10:50pm; Reply: 215
Does anybody know if itchy, dry skin is a symptom of die off?  It may have been mentioned somewhere in this thread but I can't find it.  Thanks
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 16, 2005, 11:11pm; Reply: 216
yes, I read it here somewhere, too!! )
Posted by: CarolineC, Sunday, July 17, 2005, 3:19am; Reply: 217
yes it sure is..sometimes I feel like I have "ants" on me but nothing there.
Caroline
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Monday, July 18, 2005, 4:43pm; Reply: 218
Thanks for info skin info.

Does anyone have or know about light colored bowel movements?  Maybe it's because of all the supplements ingested, including psyllium. probiotics, antifungals, enzymes.  Anybody know about this?  Thanks
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Monday, July 18, 2005, 5:12pm; Reply: 219
I noticed another thread that talked about mucus in stool but this is different.  This is just light in color (no mucus) - but other than color, seems to be normal.
Posted by: Don, Monday, July 18, 2005, 5:24pm; Reply: 220
Quoted from cyn
Does anyone have or know about light colored bowel movements?  Maybe it's because of all the supplements ingested, including psyllium. probiotics, antifungals, enzymes.  Anybody know about this?  Thanks


If you just started having light colored BMs after you started taking some supplement I would wait and see if things change back.  However, light colored stools can indicate liver problems.  http://www.skyeherbals.com/pages/liv1.html  There are other sites to go to and read about analizing stools, like http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8270/8528/189142.html?d=dmtContent  and http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/pale_stool.htm

How long has it been light colored?  How light colored is it?
Posted by: CarolineC, Monday, July 18, 2005, 6:43pm; Reply: 221
Cyn,
I think we have talked  about the possiblity in our emails about him being Celiac. when I looked at  one of the websites that Don  gave you (BTW.. thaks Don great websites!) I  looked on the list of  possiblities   and it is one of them is Celiac disease.  Has then been going on since he started  taken the clay  supplement? Is the clay light in color?  Just  thinking about it..
Here was the list from the wesite:
Unusually light-colored stool
Pale, greasy, usually foul-smelling stool is often indicative of digestive and absorption problems. The appearance is due to undigested fats that remain in the stool, as well as to lack of bilirubin in the intestines. Disorders that may cause this type of stool include:

Acute viral hepatitis
Alcohol and drug-induced hepatitis
Bile-duct disease
Cancer of gallbladder and bile ducts
Celiac disease
Chronic pancreatitis
Chronic hepatitis
Cirrhosis
Crohn's disease
Diverticulosis
Lactose intolerance
Surgical removal of the small intestine


MelissaJ,  has a family of Celiac's, she might be able to  tell you if  this has been a symptom she has seen, its a start.
Caroline
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Monday, July 18, 2005, 7:29pm; Reply: 222
Don and Caroline - Thanks for info.  It's not greasy -  just light (not even sure if you would call it "pale").  It started with all these supplements and diet.  I thought maybe someone else had the same.  I'm wondering if the limited diet is a factor???

Caroline, I don't think he's got celiac disease, or even has a wheat intolerance - I think his wheat tolerance is just what a typical type A is.
Posted by: CarolineC, Monday, July 18, 2005, 7:37pm; Reply: 223
cyn,

think back to when it started.. what supplement had you added or has this just started this week?  Is the clay supplement your using pale in color? I would think thatmight effect  it. It definitely has to do with a supplement if  it started when you started giving  them to him... ??)
Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 12:32am; Reply: 224
It seems I am having a new  side effect of the Candida detox and wondering if anyone else has had this one pop up one you.....my taste buds are really not working at all today.  I can taste, but its not very strong, especially salty things.....anyone found this happening in the course of things?
Caroline
Posted by: TheViking, Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 4:32am; Reply: 225
Hallois

I don't have any die-off experience yet, but will probably have soon. This week I decided to stop eating rice and oats, which I think is more or less all needed to be removed from my current diet in order to start bugging those critters..

Please keep posting all your new experiences from the battle Caroline, since it makes for really interested reading. Last night I reread the whole thread and it made me realise I might have been killing some critters earlier also, but then figured out I could have oats and rice and that made me unknowingly loose the battle - which I didn't know was occuring at the time, just realised reading this thread and some of the mentioned candida pages that I've had die off symptoms and started changing my diet because I thought something was wrong.. :/

Caroline: Did you do the colon cleansing thing first? ..reading and seeing the pictures of those parasites sounds really scary :| If you did that cleanse thing, did you ever experience anything like that?

I was planning on going on a gluten diet first, since then I could get it shown if I'm coeliac or not, but then I found out that any tests taken outside norway would probably not be accepted by the government as proof (there is a food support thing for coeliacs and other people who have to keep a more expensive food budget to keep well, that's why I would need the test to be accepted by the government..). So now I will not think more about the gluten side of my problems until I come back to norway and see then if I still think it's coeliac disease and if I need a positive diagnosis. In the mean time, for the next 4 months, I'll start fighting the war of the yeast - and maybe in the end I don't really have coeliac nor crohn's - time will show :)

I did send a long e-mail to Archer yesterday (figured out it was archer after rereading the thread), so if he ever gets through the whole e-mail (sorry it got that long) and comes with any suggestions I'll follow them :) ..I think I forgot to mention in the e-mail that I've done the spit test though and got heaps of tendrils coming down really quickly. That's about a month ago though, and tomorrow I'll be sure to do a retest, but my cravings tell me it's still pretty bad :/


The part about getting hungry again almost immediately after eating is a problem I've had also lately. I'll try upping the proteins though as you did with success - come to think about it that problem probably started/increased when I lowered the meat portion and upped the vegetables because I tried to match the portion recommendations in LR4YT. According to LR4YT I'm also eating meat way too often, but not sure what else to eat.. Only substitute I've got is fish which I probably don't eat often enough and the protein blend for you type which is great with some mango nectar, almons, walnuts, pumpkin seed, frozen blueberries.. The blueberries have been replaced with raspberries right now since I couldn't get hold of more frozen blueberries. I also include up to half a banana sometimes, but since I've had intollerance reactions towards it for the last 5 years or so I'm taking that very carefully and will try to increase the amount little by little..


Hmm, another long post :s
Well, thanks to all of you who bother reading my long posts and those who get through half of it ;)


Greetings,
Glenn
- May the battle begin
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Thursday, July 21, 2005, 1:34am; Reply: 226
Has anybody experienced alot of hearburn with probiotics?  Recently upped the probiotics and heartburn has become a real problem.  I read somewhere that probiotics can do this - but what to do??  Any suggestions?  Thanks all
Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, July 21, 2005, 3:18am; Reply: 227
Hi glenn,

My experience with colon cleansing was an odd one...Apparently I am very allerigic to Oil of Oregano, which I had no idea. When I started taken the colon cleansing, I had some very painful side effects....being  very focused in doing this, I tried to ignore it. Well, about the  third night of it, I was  laying on the  floor doubled over. Truly had not had that kind of  stomache pain. Even when I suffered with diverticulitis, colitis and IBS. so I ended up in the ER all night. the next day I went to my HP  and she  told me to stop that IF there had been any parasites becauseof my reaction, they  sure were gone. Do you have access to having a stool test done to test for them and  what species you might have?
At this point I would strongly suggest you back off the grains.. it will slow your improvement. Archer is a great guy and helped me more than I can say....his website also gives you the list of foods to avoid. Remember  even if food is in the  refrigerator do not eat leftovers past 24 hours max.
The BTD for O's and the Candida  Diet are  not suprisingly  very similar...just blend them and try to  stay as strict as you can, especially right now that your so infested.
Hope this helped.
Caroline
Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, July 21, 2005, 3:29am; Reply: 228
Quoted from cyn
Has anybody experienced alot of hearburn with probiotics?  Recently upped the probiotics and heartburn has become a real problem.  I read somewhere that probiotics can do this - but what to do??  Any suggestions?  Thanks all


cyn,
This is puzzling to me, because probotics are given to help GERD....I would love  to read what you found.
Here is information that shows that heartburn is a symptom of Candida....
Quoted Text
We've pretty much discussed how we can get candida, now let's discuss symptoms of candida overgrowth, and they are numerous.  Common symptoms of candida in the GI tract are intermittent diarrhea and constipation, gas, bloating after meals, colitis, heartburn, gastritis, hemorrhoids, headaches and migraines.  In the urogential tract symptoms are chronic vaginitis, PMS, cramping, recurrent kidney and bladder infections, cystitis, endometriosis, urethitis.  Most people with allergies have candida also. This includes hay fever, sinusitis, earaches, hives, asthma, food and chemical sensitivities.  Other symptoms are chronic fatigue, "arthritis", cold hands and feet, numbing or loss of feeling in extremities, increased body hair in women, baldness, nail fungus, food cravings, loss of sexual desire, psoriasis, and acne.  It is because of these diverse symptoms that candida has been called the "Great Imitator".

It came from this website: http://www.parentsofallergicchildren.org/candida1.htm
Caroline
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Thursday, July 21, 2005, 1:17pm; Reply: 229
Here's the website - http://www.ctds.info/acidic-foods.html  About halfway down under heading "probiotics" it says that excess amounts of probiotics may cause heartburn.
Posted by: CarolineC, Thursday, July 21, 2005, 7:41pm; Reply: 230
Quoted from cyn
Here's the website - http://www.ctds.info/acidic-foods.html  About halfway down under heading "probiotics" it says that excess amounts of probiotics may cause heartburn.


hmm..I remember you saying you give them to him first thing in the  morning...maybe it would be better to spread them out? and is this new thing? did you change brands?  
this poor kid, it has been something  constantly, I can't image it, he is a very special guy.
Only other thing is not to take them for a couple days and see if  there is  any change. OHH.. has he  eatten any  foods that might attribute to heartburn lately? you might  go over the list that is on that website and see if there is any possiblities.

Hang in there  girl, Caroline
Posted by: annalisbeth74 (Guest), Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 3:17pm; Reply: 231
Hello all.  I'm relatively new to BTD and have read this thread with much interest over the past few days.

I read on another web site that if you're overweight (and I am), you absolutely, positively have candida.  So I did the spit test, and it was positive.  But I have none of the symptoms!  Does this mean I haven't had the candida for that long so it hasn't had a chance to wreak havoc yet, or is this just a testament to my strong B immune system?  I'm really confused.  So should I do the candida protocol or not?  I really don't want to give up my fruits.  I was just starting to enjoy them for the first time in my life.  

Also, would I do well just to take the polyvite, polyflora, phytocal, and deflect?  I was going to order them anyway.

Thanks to all you experts for your advice.  
Posted by: Trixy, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 4:32pm; Reply: 232
I have a question along those same lines....maybe somebody knows. I follow the O non secretor blood type diet strictly, including no sugar or grains. Here's what I'm experiencing:

One day, no tendrils
the next 2 or 3 days, some tendrils so I take 2 caprylic acid tablets on an empty stomach morning and night and 1 clove capsule during the day with lunch and eat no fruit.
then, no tendrils again.

Then, I may have some fruit or almonds....could this be what's bringing the candida back? Am I that susceptible to it...are they lurking?

Am I doing the testing too much by doing it daily?
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 5:50pm; Reply: 233
annalisbeth74-if you are going to order the polyflora the ARA6 goes with it to help combat Candida.  If you can-order the greater amount of ARA6-1 lb. as I have ordered the 100 grams twice and could still use it.  Candida is very stubborn to get rid of.  :)

Debra
Posted by: annalisbeth74 (Guest), Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 8:43pm; Reply: 234
Another thing-

I was perusing candidasupport.org and read that candida is anaerobic and cannot live in an oxygenated environment.  Has anyone out there tried the Chi machine?  I have one at home and wondered if anyone has used it in their candida protocols.

Also, it said a balanced pH is also hostile to candida and that coral calcium will help with that.  Anyone tried that?  I was thinking about taking it and would like to hear from someone who's been there.

Anna
Posted by: TheViking, Saturday, July 30, 2005, 1:24am; Reply: 235
I've been following the candida diet for about a week now my body is starting to get sick.. yesterday my sinusitis seemed to return and I started getting a fever and my throat have started hurting and swalling up..

Today I woke up with an extremely soar throat and my nose all clogged up with discharge from time to time.. Am I just sick or can this also be die-off effects?

I've upped my flaxseed oil intake lately and started eating some grapefruit..


Also want to start with some sort of anti-candida supplements, but a custom recipe I got at yeastinfectionadvisor seemed very costly to me, and it's all from the US as well which further increases the cost because I'm in Australia.. The threelac sounds gerat, but Archer's comment about it just being a temporary relief thing and that you'd be back on with symptoms as soon as you stop using it didn't sound very interesting..

So anyone know any australian-available products to help me in this war which won't cost me an arm and a leg?


..And I take the unibars are off our eating list while fighting this? :/
I was so looking forward to ordering that, guess it will have to be in a few months time when my body hopefully is winning the war.



Thanks :D


Anna: Think I've read about that chi machine somewhere not too long ago.. What do you use it for and have you noticed any good results?




- Glenn
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, July 30, 2005, 2:34am; Reply: 236
Sorry, I just don't have the time to read all the posts in this Great Big Thread to find this answer.  I tried, honestly, but I only have a few minutes a day I can spend on my computer.  
Who is Archer?  and.....Where do I find him?  :-)

I'd love a recommendation for a good Candida information site, especially with some clear education such as lists of symptoms and what to expect during die-off.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 30, 2005, 2:54am; Reply: 237
http://www.wholeapproach.com/   and   http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com
Posted by: Elizabeth, Monday, September 12, 2005, 8:57pm; Reply: 238
Just some good news on candida: eating a leaf of red cabbage after every meal (while on a brief vacation) cleared up nearly all the remaining evidence in two days.  I was able to eat blueberries and a piece of spelt carrot cake with no sign of distress.  I had asked John for his mild sauerkraut recipe again (and am making it tonight), but while away thought I'd just start adding cabbage as "raw material" to the mix.  Amazing results all around.  Since part of what one needs to do is get the little acidophilus critters flourishing (at the expense of others), and cabbage is good for them, I thought I'd give it a try.  Just fyi I had been very diligent on the "no sugar no starch" diet since late July, and was better, but far from fully healed.  For me, the cabbage was nothing short of miraculous in its speed.  For a while I will keep up the overall plan, caprylic acid etc., just adding in a few fruits and yellow vegetables, but just wanted you all to know about and be encouraged to try CABBAGE!  If any moderator would like to link this to other parts of the candida chain, I'd appreciate it.
Posted by: TheViking, Monday, September 12, 2005, 11:16pm; Reply: 239
Ah, thanks for sharing Elizabeth :D

I've been skipping cabbage to advantage of the beneficial lettuce romaine, but seems I'll need to start with the cabbage again after all then - which is great, because I kinda love it raw.. Haven't tried red cabbage yet though.. Does it matter if it's green or red cabbage?

And is berries to be avoided when fighting Candida? ..I read somewhere that blueberries was okei, or at least I think I read it.. Maybe not then..

Thanks!
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 12:17am; Reply: 240
Elizabeth, thanks for that tip. I always load up on the bennies when I'm not feelin' too good, so I'll add this to it. Just had my kohlarabi tonight. I grate it and put it in my salad, but it is really good raw. Put some slices away for tomorrow. :-)  And hubby has some planted in the garden. Hope we don't get an early frost. :-)
Posted by: Elizabeth, Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 2:55pm; Reply: 241
Yes, I had been hitting the romaine and other bennies, and skipping cabbage, but this is clearly a special medicinal use.  I cut out all sugar, starch, fermented anything, and alcohol of any sort when I realized back in July how badly I had a candida overgrowth.  Along the way I tried a serving of blueberries (early August); another day I tried a piece of yeast-free kamut bread.  In both cases, it was clear that the bugs benefitted happily and the rest of me did not, so I went back to a sugar and starch free diet.  Some people may want to take it more slowly (eating some fruit along the way), and type A's must really have a problem getting enough to eat.  I think each journey is unique.  Even as an O it was hard for me to get more than 1000-1200 calories a day and have the food be properly digested (I have needed supplemental HCl for about 10 years, and when I try to skip it or eat too much at once, I tend to have digestive trouble.)  I am now about 15 lbs. lighter, and feel better all around. (Not least because I can reclaim some of my winter clothes.)  I found what I craved was not starch, sugar, or wine but blueberries, sweet potatoes, carrots, raspberries, peaches, apples!  Using ground flax and leicithin (along with meat-chicken-fish and greens) took care of actual hunger--but it was hard to watch fruit season slipping away.  THANK YOU oh wonderful cabbage!  (I don't think it matters red or white, I just happened to have red.)  And thanks to John, for his home-brewed sauerkraut recipe!  A jar is sittting on top of the refrigerator, and it already (overnight) has a good tang.
Posted by: Trixy, Tuesday, September 13, 2005, 3:04pm; Reply: 242
Does anyone know if caprylic acid destroys the good bacteria in the stomach? I've read that it breaks apart microbial walls to kill the candida....does it also do this to the good bacteria?
Thank you.
Posted by: 903 (Guest), Friday, September 30, 2005, 5:51am; Reply: 243
Caprylic acid does not harm your friendly bacteria (not even the bad bacteria!). It kills yeast/fungi.

Here's a site with great information discussing all the common perceived causes of candida and boiling it down to an endocrine imbalance. Very convincing since it fits me to T!

http://www.candida-society.org.uk/
Posted by: Devora, Friday, September 30, 2005, 5:56am; Reply: 244
I just had a total candida relapse after a year or two in remission.  I am about to DIE!

I bought some caprylic acid and it is not helping me at ALL!!!  I have been taking Solgar, and about 4 caps a day.  Any advice on taking this?  I am falling apart!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 30, 2005, 1:20pm; Reply: 245
follow the candida protocol....and avoid carbs!!!
eat beneficials ......
Posted by: 808 (Guest), Friday, September 30, 2005, 1:30pm; Reply: 246
Quoted from Devora
I just had a total candida relapse after a year or two in remission.  I am about to DIE!

I bought some caprylic acid and it is not helping me at ALL!!!  I have been taking Solgar, and about 4 caps a day.  Any advice on taking this?  I am falling apart!


How did you fight it the first time?  What are your symptoms?   I know how terribly depressing it is but you can absolutely beat it.  Hang in there.

Posted by: Don, Friday, September 30, 2005, 7:22pm; Reply: 247
Quoted from JK
Here's a site with great information discussing all the common perceived causes of candida and boiling it down to an endocrine imbalance. Very convincing since it firs me to T!

http://www.candida-society.org.uk/


Thanks for the link. Interesting read, particularly about APICH syndrome. My endocrine system problems may be tied into candida somehow.

Posted by: 903 (Guest), Saturday, October 1, 2005, 1:24am; Reply: 248
I was thinking the same thing Don. Glad you read it.

BTW, feeling better from the cold?
Posted by: Don, Saturday, October 1, 2005, 2:19am; Reply: 249
My cold or whatever I had was basically over by the time I realized I had been sick.

That was the good news.  The bad news is my endocrine system problem seems worse now.
Posted by: 903 (Guest), Saturday, October 1, 2005, 5:57am; Reply: 250
Sorry to hear that. I hope you regain your balance soon!

My cold set me back bit too. I noticed the Candida maxed out on their opportunity while  my immune system was fighting the cold... and my hormones have been totally out of whack for several months now. That's why the arguments presented in the link made so much sense. I'm trying Heallix, just on my third day but it does seem to be helping. My tongue is clear and I had some energy today! We shall see but I remain hopeful that it is another weapon in the arsenal. Thanks Yaman for the positive posting -- that's what tipped the balance for me to try it, along with Heidi's comments from her column. I told myself I'd wait at least a week before checking my spit...

And Don, I very much appreciate the helpful pm  :K)
Posted by: dairy_princess (Guest), Wednesday, October 5, 2005, 5:22am; Reply: 251
I've been following the protocol from this site:

http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com

I am still on the parasite cleanse (for 2 1/2 wks now), but not to the candida detox yet.  I am definitely experiencing die-off already.  I have never experienced this before, but the creases between my inner lips and the bottoms of my gums have some pretty disgusting gook in there--I think it's thrush.  I noticed a few of you mentioned these symptoms on the tongue, though yours sounds worse (sores! I'm so sorry).  Can anyone suggest something I might try gargling with to get rid of the stuff?  Other than this weird manifestation, I'm feeling pretty well right now.  No more itchies.  

I also have a greatly diminished appetite.  It's interesting the foods I react to.  The yeast really loved the sweet potato that I had the other day, but turned its nose up at the carrots, strawberries, pineapple, and blueberries.  Quite odd.  So no more sweet potatoes for me.

Also, for those of you experiencing really bad die-off symptoms, I noticed something interesting after my first week of misery:  I feel SO much better after a really vigorous exercise.  I know that's the last thing you feel like doing, but I suspect perhaps I was able to sweat out some of the die-off toxins.  I hope it doesn't prove unworkable once I get on to the actual candida protocol.  We'll see.
Posted by: CarolineC, Wednesday, October 5, 2005, 5:59am; Reply: 252
Hi everyone....

Its been a while since I posted.. life happens, I have been working alot of hours. Plus we  bought a home in Hawaii and its just been a busy time. Leaping  green drug me back to the Lost thread so I thought I would jump back and give you an update of where I am with  the candida issue. It has been since march that I have fought it...finally I am giving in to some testing. My doctor has  order  a CDSA2.0, which is pretty involved. It is basically a Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis , it is done through  the lab where I had my  secretor testing done. Great smokie Labs.  It  is an involved test to complete and not all that pleasant but leaves no rock unturned.
http://www.gsdl.com/home/assessments/cdsa/index.html. Has anyone had it done? Frankly, I didn't feel I was getting anywhere..I was at a stand off and not going anywhere. this test will show esactly what kinds of yeast we are dealing with and then decide the  course to follow. I can see from the thead.. the alien is running rampant through out the "family". gosh  my little post way back in March.. is still going strong.I will keep you posted as I find out  and decide what to do. Hope everyone is doing well...I have missed you all.
Caroline
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, October 5, 2005, 5:17pm; Reply: 253
let us know the results!!

great you dropped by!
congratulations on the new house! )
Posted by: 903 (Guest), Wednesday, October 5, 2005, 9:26pm; Reply: 254
Hi Dairy Princess,

I am intrigued by your post. My apologies for being indelicate... have you seen any parasites in your stool?

The link is great and has me reconsidering whether I should try a parasite cleanse first as well. I am already using Heallix and am going through a severe die off reaction. I am, worried that I am reabsorbing some of the toxins even though my eliminations are 1 or 2 a day.

The Heallix killed the yeast on my tongue in 3-4 days using 2 teaspoons 3X/day. My tongue is actually pink ;-)
Posted by: jomac30 (Guest), Friday, May 12, 2006, 10:31pm; Reply: 255
where do I find a diet for type O that would also be a Candida/ cleanse
Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 12, 2006, 10:40pm; Reply: 256
following your guidelines in the book, just omit carbs and high GI fruits and veggies.

here s a candida thread:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1120926731
Posted by: 495 (Guest), Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 10:56pm; Reply: 257
Hey All! I have done candida spit test and I don't know 100% for sure, but I think I have. Do you think I should go doctor for further test, or something I can do home? Which one you recommend it?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 11:00pm; Reply: 258
Quoted from OzlemW
Hey All! I have done candida spit test and I don't know 100% for sure, but I think I have. Do you think I should go doctor for further test, or something I can do home? Which one you recommend it?


Describe for us what you are seeing in the glass of water, and at what time periods you saw it.  Do you have any amalgams?  It's up to you whether or not you would like to go the route of perscription meds to treat the candida.  There is Dr D's Yeast/Fungus Support Protocol

Posted by: 495 (Guest), Thursday, January 11, 2007, 5:19am; Reply: 259
It is kind of gross tried to explain this but it is coludy and some what has legs looks like which is it shows in picture of this website.

http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html

I don't know, I can't say I have for sure, that's why I thought maybe I should go to doctor..
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 5:40am; Reply: 260
yeah, legs are tendrils......
Posted by: 495 (Guest), Thursday, January 11, 2007, 8:31am; Reply: 261
All the experienced people-

After reading so many of the posting about candida( till page 4), I am offically confused what to do and scared from all the bad experiences some of you had, like oregana oil put one of you to the ER.. I don't know what to do. Should I get Dr.D supplement for it, does it works fine or candidasupport.org has threelac is this good or not?
Also, I sure feel not good now, I just don't want to get worse and go to ER just because medicine or supplements like origeno oil etc..mess me up OR would quickly killed the yeast and left me awful.
I just want to be feel better after taking whatever... Please I need you guys inputs..
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 2:44pm; Reply: 262
Quoted from OzlemW
All the experienced people-

After reading so many of the posting about candida( till page 4), I am offically confused what to do and scared from all the bad experiences some of you had, like oregana oil put one of you to the ER.. I don't know what to do. Should I get Dr.D supplement for it, does it works fine or candidasupport.org has threelac is this good or not?
Also, I sure feel not good now, I just don't want to get worse and go to ER just because medicine or supplements like origeno oil etc..mess me up OR would quickly killed the yeast and left me awful.
I just want to be feel better after taking whatever... Please I need you guys inputs..


I suggest you read all the candida threads on the forum.  And, there is information in Heidi's forum.

Each person is different.  We've asked, but I don't see where you've answered~~if you have any amalgam fillings.  These are silver fillings.  If you do, it's like MoDon has said numerous times.  The candida is in a symbiotic relationship with the mercury that is being released, and the candida is actually feeding off the mercury vapor....protecting your from it's toxicity.

Any way you approach it, either through fighting it through natural means (caprylic acid, oil of oregano, etc.) or the pharmaceutical route (nystatin, etc.) a good number of individuals experience unpleasant symptoms during a massive candida die-off, no matter which route you go.

In addition, there are medical doctors who still don't believe that candida can become systemic.

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 4:19pm; Reply: 263
It sure is a 'personal battle' you need to face........as KK mentions, there are so many personal facts which need to be addressed and taken care of.

I d first follow the yeast protocol given by Dr D, taking all the advice you read into consideration, like abstaining from eating carbs, etc.

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/30.html
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 4:32pm; Reply: 264
One last thing I would add:  Your shield does not show your secretor status.  If you are battling candida, you really need to find out your secretor status to fine tune your diet.
Posted by: Don, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 6:10pm; Reply: 265
Since you have mercury fillings I would warn you about the risk of attacking the candida without dealing with the mercury. I firmly believe my doing some things which impacted the candida, such as taking probiotics, lead to my health collapse over 4 years ago by releasing a lot of mercury into my body. The mercury had previously been bound up by the candida.

I am still trying to recover from effect it had on me.
Posted by: 495 (Guest), Friday, January 12, 2007, 12:28am; Reply: 266
I have silver fillings and I have an appointment with mercury safe dentist on tuesday to remove them, probably it is going to take some time I have so many... So, let me see if understood correctly, silver fillings feeding candida, that means if I get rid of silver fillings, I can maybe get better. I don't understand though I have those filling such a long time why would now starting to get me.. I guess it can right..
Posted by: Lola, Friday, January 12, 2007, 12:36am; Reply: 267
you ll be better off without them.
Posted by: Don, Friday, January 12, 2007, 1:09am; Reply: 268
Quoted from OzlemW
I have silver fillings and I have an appointment with mercury safe dentist on tuesday to remove them, probably it is going to take some time I have so many... So, let me see if understood correctly, silver fillings feeding candida, that means if I get rid of silver fillings, I can maybe get better. I don't understand though I have those filling such a long time why would now starting to get me.. I guess it can right..

Please call your fillings what they are. They are mercury fillings because they are probably about 50-55% mercury and only have a very small amount of silver.

I would only allow your dentist to do one quadrant at a time, definitely no more then one side at a time. This is because you will be exposed to extra mercury during the removal process and you are better off not getting too much at one time. Do you have a mercury detox plan and are you prepared to impliment it after your dental visit?

I don't know your health history, age, or anything else about you so I can't say for sure that your candida will have mercury bound up in it, but if it does then beware of the consequences I mentioned in the previous post. As to why this might be bothering you now it might just be the accumulated mercury damage to your immune system.  Once again I don't know.

I had no idea that I had a candida or a mercury problem when this whole thing happened to me. My only major complaint was some significant sinus problems, which as it turns out was caused by the candida and mercury. I was also extremely fit at the time since I participated several times a week with the bike racing group in town, lifted weights, and did other forms of intense exercise so I never quessed that I was on the verge of a health collapse.

I am just trying to warn you of the possibilities so that you can hopefully avoid the problems I have experienced. Your problem may not be similar at all.
Posted by: 495 (Guest), Friday, January 12, 2007, 2:09am; Reply: 269
Thank you guys for all the info.. I have silver fillings I guess they are mercury fillings.. okay one quadrant at a time sounds right..but what is mercury detox?
I am 35 years old female. I had serious of sinus infections about past four years, also had tonsillitis before that's why I got my tonsils removed when I was 30, it stopped three four years then I had some last year that's why I took antibiatics back to back (probably got my candida from it mostly), then I had extreme fatique started and after my doctor checked my blood he found out that I have EBV virus mono three months ago, every since than I don't have any sinus or tonsil problem yet, but I have virus, a little high TSH level (throid) probably candida again, even feeling that tired probably candida.. I have Dr. D fatique book and I follow that, but I didn't get my secretor status yet, I want to but a little later..when I get enough money after paying my health bills and dentist bill. Meantime I stay away from avoid and even neutrals.. just go for beneficial ones.. I want to take supplement for candida, probably I should get Dr. D supplements.
So, Don, I think candida and mercury destroying my immune system.. and I am going to get rid of them before they get rid of me..
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, January 12, 2007, 2:20am; Reply: 270
Quoted Text
I want to take supplement for candida, probably I should get Dr. D supplements.
If you are going to buy something from NAP, your best investment right now is the secretor test, hands down.

The mercury leaching could have affected your thyroid.

Do some google searching for safe mercury removal proceedures.  There might still be something even here on the forum.  I know we did have at least one thread about removing amalgam removal recently. Don't know if it went poof or not.
Posted by: Don, Friday, January 12, 2007, 2:27am; Reply: 271
My TSH was high during this whole time, at least up until the last time I checked which was about a year ago.

Nothing else I tried helped me improve.

I am hesitant to suggest any type of mercury or candida treatment plan. I will let you decide what you think is safe and best.

I am using a very unique approach that uses ultra high potency (500-900M) homeopathic remedies usually targeted at supporting the organ/glands that have been effected and the elimination organs, to improve the elimination of the mercury from the body. Each treatment is different based on what is bio-resonance testing indicates.
Posted by: 495 (Guest), Friday, January 12, 2007, 3:12am; Reply: 272
Yes, I found this dentist from http://dentalwellness4u.com/index.html which I got this one of the posting here. In my area only a few dentist does that safely removal, and I picked one from that side and made me an appointment. So, I am sure he is going to remove them safely since he is International Association of Mercury Free Dentists (IAMFD).

Can you mentione more about your unique approach Don?
Okay KK I know I should get my status asap...is it only that way I can benefit from supplement for candida then?
Posted by: 495 (Guest), Friday, January 12, 2007, 3:15am; Reply: 273
One more thing, when I did my candida test first thing in the morning, almost all my spit went down to buttom of the glass. That means I have candida for sure right? Sorry sounds gross I know..
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, January 12, 2007, 3:43am; Reply: 274
Quoted from OzlemW
One more thing, when I did my candida test first thing in the morning, almost all my spit went down to buttom of the glass. That means I have candida for sure right? Sorry sounds gross I know..




Yep.
Posted by: 1121 (Guest), Friday, July 13, 2007, 4:30pm; Reply: 275
Yeast? Candida? wow, I learn something new everyday on here. I know my system is totally messed up now, eating all the junk food and sugar drinks. I never ate that way as a kid, it seems odd that I would eat that way as an adult. Would you reccommend a candida cleanser? I seen those in the health store. I did not know what they are. Should I start taking a probotic? What is it and what is it for?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 13, 2007, 6:58pm; Reply: 276
try the yeast fighting protocol here on line, under solutions, in the home page.
Posted by: 1121 (Guest), Friday, July 13, 2007, 10:55pm; Reply: 277
Thank-You Lola
Posted by: 1203 (Guest), Thursday, September 20, 2007, 5:31am; Reply: 278
I realized almost a year ago that I've had a candida problem for 16 years!  I started the candida diet first, then the BTD a few months later, which helped explain my susceptibility to it.  I also realized from listening to Dr. Bob Marshall (healthline live) that candida is present when mercury is in the body.  I went on the search for a holistic dentist, and finally found one who follows the proper mercury removal protocol.  Mercury moves around the body and becomes lodged in the cells in different organs and candida actually moves in to try to protect the body from this harmful metal.  Dr. Marshall says that doctors in Europe actually look at candida as a good thing!  I noticed that throughout the year I've been killing off the candida, I still had certain symptoms hanging on...the very ones that mimic mercury toxicity!  Candida moves in when the immune system is down, and mercury is very good at suppressing ones immune system.  I recommend to anyone that has been battling candida extensively to get tested for mercury.  Dr. Marshall's website is very informative on the matter;  http://www.healthline.cc, check out the article "Making the Right Dental Choice".  Oh, and by the way, while on the candida diet, watch out for molds.    Nuts are big offenders when it comes to molds, especially almonds.  :( I'm a big fan.
I'm not sure if freezing them would prevent mold (probably create some polyamines though!) , anyone know?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, September 20, 2007, 8:21pm; Reply: 279
you would be better off soaking your nuts, seeds , legumes etc.
Posted by: 2100 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 6:03am; Reply: 280
Bless You All.

I have been following my type diet since 2000.  Wouldnt live any other way.  First 2 years 100% compliant 95% beneficial.  Many more neutrals and some occaisional treats (wheat, avacados, maple syrup) since.

I post today looking for inspiration.  Of ALL the many "fighting" candida, can anyone with confidence say "I have won"?  

I contracted candidiasis as an STD (despite the medical professions insistance of the impossibility) apprx 1 year ago, and then "crashed" 7 months later.  I moved into a new home and the stress put me under.  Within 1 week I couldn't get out of bed.  After considering both Lyme and Systemic Candida, I realized "treating" Candida would be the easier first approach.  I have had great success with Rife Resonance Therapy, BTD, and just recently GSE.  I can now work 15 hours per week, take fairly good care of my 4 year old, and on occaision have the energy/enthusiasm to unpack some of the boxes from my move last summer.
I have never had dental work (excepting braces as a teen), and enjoyed phenomenal health/vitality before last year.  (Won a rock climbing competition while one month pregnant)

I would like to find some encouragement that it is possible to Win against this monster, and that I might again someday eat AB beneficial fruits and grains (I have eliminated both) and that I might return to a state of health that does not include handfuls of supplements.  I would also like to eat out at a restaurant again, maybe, someday.

Many Thanks to each of you for living your truth.

Peanut
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 9:37am; Reply: 281
dearest Peanut ...first welcome and fine to meet you  :D

I have tried soooo much of different things for fungal issues that at least it was alays the same, came back to my essential oils against nearly all :D you have just to follow the rule of
rotations-principe and then I am nearly sure that will fit (smile)(lavender-niauli,thyme,sage,all herbs de provence as an essential oil) but take care about the grapefruitkerneloil, it is too toughy for our stomachs and intestines...:-(
then as being nonnies, I guess we aren't that good on high glyc. fruits nor carbs.....here I'm folloing the scala of Montignac
and it helps me to stay balanced.
About supps. yeppers here we should have a good measurement coz
of our lacks...better to get some more than too less ;)
What I want to recommend you is to go for l'arginine and other aminoacids, they just do wonders for me, perhaps might be this
issue the same for you  ??)
Did you ever tried the *healing musshroos*.. ??)Coriolus & Reishi?....and or some lapachol from the lapachotea but here only when NOT pregnant !!!(pray)
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 1:16pm; Reply: 282
I'm still fighting it.  But there are times when I feel like I'm winning and have more energy.  Almost back to normal.  So I'm getting there.  I'm not quite as strict as you either.  I eat Millet and Flax bread, quinoa and rice.  Sometimes oats.  I have been trying to keep out the real sugary fruits and stick with the berries.  Maybe there is something else going on too?  I hope you feel better!!!!!!  I have a friend from church who's story is very similar to yours and his candida kicked his butt.  And he said it took him like 7 years to come back from it.  How long have you been fighting this monster?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 1:59pm; Reply: 283
Peanut AB nonsec,
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm

check all the excellent protocols......
the yeast fungus one comes to mind, but the others for good measure are also an option to follow....
Posted by: RealGoldn, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 2:03pm; Reply: 284
I starting this all new. Should i just take the spit test or got to a doctor to get the blood/gut test done? I bought soem of the probiotics.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 2:45pm; Reply: 285
spit test is accurate, no need for the blood test, called lewis, as well as that particular spit test.
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