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Posted by: san j, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 12:05am
Take a look at what I just posted on "Breakfast and B's":
Quoted from san j

On a bitterly cold January morning in Denmark [Henriette] has tropical fruit juice and yogurt, saying "they're superfoods".
On a moderately cold morning in San Francisco, California, there are lentils studding my curried rice / brussels sprouts breakfast, and I admit this ingredient is "an avoid".

Whose breakfast was the "better" one, more appropriate and healthful for the party concerned?
Apparently SWAMI doesn't ask you what time of year it is and what foodstuffs grow naturally in your vicinity and what the weather is like on a given day -- I think this is a drawback.

Something to think about.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 12:19am; Reply: 1
I'm not going to cut and paste my response from the breakfast thread...  

I think a statement that it is still each individual's responsibility to choose where the food they buy is from and to make seasonally appropriate food choices...  Unless each person plans to enter the local weather conditions and pantry contents into the software every morning to get your menu printed, each person will have to make these decisions and live with the appropriateness of their decisions.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 12:39am; Reply: 2
SWAMI won't, indeed, do your dishes for you, either, or vacuuming.
But the point is: It's an "Ingredients" advisor - as is the entire panoply of Dr. D'Adamo's books. It doesn't distinguish between cooking methods, either, or - for the most part - between raw and cooked or ... hot or cold...

or other things...

Wisdom lies in recognizing its limitations,  "Compliant" sherbet on a snowy day is not necessarily a better idea than warm buckwheat ["Avoid"] kasha. And neither is better when "nothing" is the appropriate choice.

Just opening up more dimensions here.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 12:48am; Reply: 3
And I just read your post on the B thread, ABJoe. Thanks for bringing the discussion here.  :)
Posted by: Averno, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 11:31am; Reply: 4

I think compromise is always being bartered. The goals are always moving. It is not so important to seek altruism, as it is to appreciate that there are consequences to everything.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 1:08pm; Reply: 5
To the above..I am glad you started a new thread... so often good threads are getting lost with 'other ' discussions.. makes 'finding' some good posts  difficult..

I find I eat only a few of the items listed in all my food lists.. I find that I have way more choices given then I would reach for normally.  I would love to have way more discussions, or more real education of why, how come and where of all sort of foods, but I am also realistic, we could want much more and yet, we have received so much more then anywhere else.

I would like to see more illnesses listed, the number of teeth one has that are healthy, eye sight issues and so on, but just because there could be more input, I still would only choose to eat relatively 'few' items on the lists.

I would love to have simple listings of things that worked for others, and still I know I would most likely try very few.. thinking that I already did so for years.  

And still, every so often something clicks here or elsewhere, like I meet a new friend, and I connect for the long haul, and BTD is one such thing with people and places to find comfort, encouragement, or new insights, withe new questions.. LIFE as it is....and I am still here, fighting -- like today --- I feel very tired which makes me depressed.. asking what to eat and pull out of being tired...  Ok so I start with meat this morning.. it is my choice for today.. a test for me.will it be better than eggs?  My list my way to find ways of doing things that matter to me, within my lists.

20 minutes before I started to read and respond here I ate a 3 oz steak.. is it possible that I feel less depressed?????now?????????  
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 7:05pm; Reply: 6
I'm looking at the last couple of responses and see I may need to be more clear.
I was referring to:

Season of the year
Location (type of climate)
Ambient temperature
Food temperature
Cooking methods (employment of heat, water, oil)

I'm not saying SWAMI is no good because it currently doesn't factor-in these variables, though IMO such could improve the system.
And, of course, I grant that SWAMI cannot necessarily teach individuals how to make day-to-day decisions about ingredient-choices. Nor is D'Adamo's teaching the only one some of his proponents use, in real life.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 7:25pm; Reply: 7
I see SWAMI as a good starting place: it gives me a complete list of foods I should be eating, and approximately how much of each food type I should have per day. But I still won't eat foods out of season. Watermelons are a "diamond" all year round, but I only eat them in the summer, when I can get one at a local farmer's market.

In the summertime, I eat more salads. In the wintertime, I eat more soups. In the spring and fall, I have a little bit of both. In all seasons, I eat plenty of vegetables. Under no circumstances would I eat an "avoid" food. Oatmeal might be more of a "winter food" than sardines on a bed of lettuce, but I'm still not going to have oatmeal for breakfast in the wintertime. I'll choose the "out of season" compliant foods rather than "seasonal" avoids. But, most of the time I'm not limited like that, and I can have cooked veggies for breakfast in winter mornings.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 8:17pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I see SWAMI as a good starting place: it gives me a complete list of foods I should be eating, and approximately how much of each food type I should have per day.

As someone who has looked into, and used, a number of different nutritional models, I see that some have strengths that fill in the gaps of others. There are systems that treat of the variables I mentioned in my previous post, and, where they intersect with LR4YT/GTD with respect to ingredients, one's certainty can increase with their integration into one's program.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 8:47pm; Reply: 9
Lately I've noticed my body "adjusts" to the season of the year when I choose foods. I feel chilly if I eat too many raw foods in winter and instinctively I want warmth....
so spices like ginger and garlic appeal to me in winter while peppermint appeals to me in warmer
months.  I tend to bake my fruits in winter....baked apples/pears and eat them raw when it's cooler.

This is the way the Chinese diets balance the yin and yang....Not in the mood for raw berries on a cold winter day in the northeast...they're out of season and far too expensive to find organic right now, not to mention they're cooling because they're raw, and would make me feel cold
when I want to feel warm and nourished... but dried blueberries are appealing when added to hot quinoa cereal....and far more satisfying to feel that inner warmth rather than think I might need
to wear an extra layer of clothing.

I don't consciously switch foods when seasons change but my body does inform me when it's time to make changes in food choices. Soups feel great right now....and beans are very appealing, however on a hot summer day, I normally crave raw salads and probably would have a cold bean salad with it.  

When I go food shopping I sort of know what I want...chestnuts to roast, winter squash to bake,
all root vegetables and produce that isn't grown in the tropics. I'm clearly not in the mood for
cold pineapple or watermelon....and it feels out of sync for me right now, even if I could have it. asked which of the two breakfasts were "the better one"....the person who ate cold
food in a cold climate or warm food in a warmer climate....I personally think that anyone who is
in touch with what their bodies are requiring at any given moment is eating the right food.  And
possibly eating cold foods on a cold day is because the energy of the body is too
overheating of internal organs...the cooling foods needed for the person's constitution.....that
meal on that day...Maybe not every day but perhaps for that meal even on frigid day, that person's body needed internal cooling down.

I think as long as the craving isn't for junk....or the desire for a particular food isn't obsessive....
or toxic...then it's probably good to realize we all have different healing mechanisms going on
at any given time....perhaps a body just screams out "give me fiber....or give me calcium".
Sometimes we might be too alkalized and require some acid balance...I think the way the body
functions once we feed it works on an ebb and flow....and if the pendulum swings too far in one
direction, then it has to find it's equilibrium...I can't say I never want an oddball food in the wrong season...I'm not always as tuned into my body as I feel I am right now....I just know that
if I'm craving sugar or eating salty foods then I've obviously swung too far in one direction or
another and my body is craving extremes to help me find balance again.

Sometimes we just have no rhyme or reason for why we want what we want....and whether we'd
all feel more balanced if we ate with the seasons.....maybe yes, maybe no...
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 9:06pm; Reply: 10
Thanks for that, Chloe.
This subject got me remembering this blog from 7 years ago.

The Greatest Variable of them all.  ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 9:11pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from san j
Thanks for that, Chloe.
This subject got me remembering this blog from 7 years ago.

The Greatest Variable of them all.  ;)

Great blog!  :)

Posted by: Averno, Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 9:23pm; Reply: 12

This is a wonderful essay, San j. Thanks for reviving it (resurrecting it, in fact  :D)
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, January 19, 2013, 10:21pm; Reply: 13
I admit to not eating for the season very well.  I'm still eating watermelon at times, because our local grocer carries it.  I do tend to eat more potatoes and baked stuff though.  But I feel that the vitamin C and enzymes in fresh fruits outweighs if it's in season or not.  I'm not sure if I'm "right" or not.  Lettuce too.  I eat a salad every day.  And I think it's good for my digestion.  And lettuce has healing properties.  So I've read.  And for some reasons, soups have made me not always feel that great in the past.  I have a hard time digesting them sometimes.  So I don't eat them.  I love soup.  But garlic and onions are foods I really need to stay away from and it's hard to get prepared soups without those ingredients.  Yes, I can make my own, but it's not something I do.  I used to do it a lot.  But for some reason I don't feel led to.  

I do have different cravings different times of the year though.  And sometimes I follow it and sometimes I don't.  I've been craving muffins.  I'm picking up some oat flour today and might make some soon.  But I eat my rice and oatmeal at night, just like I do all year round.

I have been craving beans a bit, and I haven't eaten them in a long time.  
Posted by: san j, Sunday, January 20, 2013, 12:19am; Reply: 14
I think it's okay to look to some other systems to learn about and satisfy conditions that aren't necessarily treated of in SWAMI and/or the D'Adamo published opus. Think of it as learning about, oh, the glycemic index, or the acid/alkaline ratio -- the seasonality, the sodium level, whatever you're considering. In macrobiotics, one looks at "Yin/Yang"; in Ayurveda, doshic soothing or aggravation and the added dimension of sattvic/rajasic/tamasic. D'Adamo systems cannot and should not be expected to cover every base.

And then, as most here are acknowledging, there's just one's own body-knowledge. If you look into some other systems, however, you might find that you are "naturally gravitating toward" foods that correspond to a category someone has named; knowing about it can help you narrow your experimentation. In fact, that's how I came to ER4YT 16 years ago: I found that my own choices and those Peter D'Adamo was naming as appropriate for type B were intimately aligned.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, January 21, 2013, 2:02pm; Reply: 15
I'm with Averno here ;) ;D....(clap)(ok)(smarty)
Posted by: JJR, Monday, January 21, 2013, 6:29pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from san j
Thanks for that, Chloe.
This subject got me remembering this blog from 7 years ago.

The Greatest Variable of them all.  ;)

I agree with it in theory.  But if I eat food like that, I feel awful, so I just don't do it.  But it happens more frequently.  Every time you turn around Church is having something with all these treats and foods and such.  I just don't go.  Or I eat before I go.  It's that simple.  I have to function the next day, and if I can't my whole family loses out.  I'm trying to get better about eating more foods, but my system is pretty darn sensitive.  I think it's the lymes.  Because in the old days, I used to eat anything and everything.  

Having said that, I don't beat my diet over the head to anyone.  I wish I could eat like everyone else.  
Posted by: Averno, Monday, January 21, 2013, 7:01pm; Reply: 17
[quote=]...Every time you turn around Church is having something with all these treats and foods and such.  I just don't go.  Or I eat before I go.  It's that simple.  I have to function the next day... [/quote]

This has been my strategy--to eat before hand. Not a full meal, per se, but enough that I can selectively pick from a buffet and still feel "food involved".  A bit harder in the sit-down events hosted by new acquaintances, so a heads-up before hand is polite and necessary. Granted, my restrictions are less severe than yours JJR-- the only thing I'll not eat even a tiny amount of is chicken.  

Describe your diet as a medical issue and no one will hold your manners against you. People respect this issue as long as you're not being arbitrary and prickly about it.  Not that you would be  :)  
Posted by: JJR, Monday, January 21, 2013, 8:38pm; Reply: 18
I do.  And most people understand, at least to my face.  With my son too, he's so allergic to everything.  And we'd end up in the hospital if we're not real careful.  So, people just start to get it and some I think get irritated by it no matter how nice we are about it.  Just because they don't want to understand.  But most people seem to get it.  It doesn't come up any more because we've shared with enough people our challenges.  

We've eaten over at other peoples homes and I've eaten some chicken before.  I actually love chicken.  My body doesn't like it all that much.  I've only had it 2 times that I can remember, but I don't remember having a huge problem with it.  There are other things that do worse things to me.  
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