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Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 3:31pm
Anyone have problems getting past the adjustment stage? I've tried 3 times and i get way too uncomfortable. I don't think it's the strains of probiotics, but more the larch and chickory. I am very sensitive to fibers. some it loves and some it hates. I do take pearl which is acidophilus and bifidiobacterium. seems to do the trick but I'm stupidly always looking for something better
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 3:48pm; Reply: 1
the strains in polyflora are the right ones for your physiology and gut ecosystem.

the more fixing your gut needs, the more those beasties are going to fight back!!

why not drop those you are taking not pertaining to your individuality and let polyflora do the work it is meant to do instead

here s more reading for you
Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 4:23pm; Reply: 2
Is it at all POSSIBLE that some O's systems are just not going to accept it? i really think it's the larch or chickory. Wish I could just get the probiotics themselves. There are some out there with the two beneficial but they also contain other strains of course
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 4:33pm; Reply: 3
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:12pm; Reply: 4
the chicory could indicate a fructose problem, which is a whole other problem.
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 7:12pm; Reply: 5
What do you mean way too uncomfortable?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 7:32pm; Reply: 6
have you checked all Dr D has to offer, in terms of gut healing?

check this formula out

I believe your gut needs some serous healing to do
Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:41pm; Reply: 7
WAY too uncomfortable meaning serious bloating and constipation. Tried it last about a year ago and did have healing to do. I have no problems with paleo O diet whatsoever. It's when I mess with too much fiber that i have problems and I've been that way ALL my life. That's what makes me think it's just me. I don't eat alot of fruit and it's usually berries or grapefruit and no noticable trouble.
Posted by: kauaian, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:28am; Reply: 8
Oh  :o.....sorry no suggestions for now, but did u ever try ground flax seeds?
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:52am; Reply: 9
you bet, doesn't work so much. lol. My body just says " back away from the fiber". Things could be worse and things run smooth until I add fiber. Oh well. I guess my stomach is the boss of me
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 2:06am; Reply: 10
Mother lots of people are the same as you they perhaps just don't know it yet.

It's all down to the bacteria in your gut or lack of them.

Too much fibre may be bad for many people.

get rid of the bad bacteria and introduce some new friendly ones using polyflora. away from meals.

I would be inclined to think it is not the polyflora that is causing your problems so much as the adjustment to finally getting it right.

Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 3:09am; Reply: 11
Intrinsa may make it run smoothly again (contains magnesium). Maybe also CLA Formula.
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 2:28pm; Reply: 12
I appreciate all the advise however, my system seems to be the typical hunter system. does perfectly well on protein veg and fats. I've read tons on hunters:
hunter digestion doesn't tolerate foods not good for them
legumes: some are beneficial, even so eat them as an occasional side dish
nuts: eat in moderation, hard to digest
even beneficial grains eaten too often are likely to cause problems
I believe EVERYONE has foods they do not tolerate no matter how healthy their gut flora is.
If I thought polyfloraO would allow me to eat all kinds of new foods that so to speak, go against the hunter grains, I'd jump on. I think for now at least, I'll just let food be my medicine as it has worked wonderfully since BT diet. I also appear to have the typical hunter sensitive gut but it is far less sensitive if I avoid the avoids. I don't think any amount of any probiotics is going to allow mw sugar and pastries and pastas and all the things I enjoyed before BT. I don't miss them much and one or two small tastes(not wheat) every two months is good enough for me. I was just wondering if anyone else couldn't tolerate polyflora O, i suppose it could be possible. Thanks for the support
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 5:26pm; Reply: 13
You need different pastries and sweetners.  My quinoa muffins work for me, as does the yerba mate with agave sweetner.  The coca/ghee/agave mixes that I have tried are just a little too rich for me.  I have to work harder to get it right.

For most easily available products my safe limit is 0 grams.  Once I embrased this truth, loosing weight became possible.

You could try taking Polyflora with Live Cell and Deflect; they work well together.  It could be that the probiotic is reacting with harmful bacteria to produce a toxic effect which dislodges the bacteria.  Much like the toxicity people get when they rid themselves of Candida.  If that is the case Live Cell, being a prebiotic, would "sow" good bacteria to help stop the bad bacteria from coming back, and Deflect is specifically designed to stop the toxic material from re-attaching by offering easier sacrificial binding sites.

The only way to know for sure is to try it.

I have been taking Polyflora, Live Cell and Deflect together one per day, and my weight is going down again. Lost 70 lbs with 100 to go.  My digestion is much better as is my energy.

The only bad thing; I wish I had done this last year.  :-/
Posted by: 13708 (Guest), Saturday, March 12, 2011, 11:32pm; Reply: 14
I think the larch in the polyflora is upsetting your digestion because it is working will kill bad viruses/bacteria ( if I understand correctly?) in water etc so proberly does the same in the gut. tThose things are fighting to live & causing upset then the polyflora strains repair  etc.......just a thought as I seem to be having the same reaction. I also tried the polyflora, deflect & live cell together but stopped after a month as I had such horrid belching & reguritating! :-/
Posted by: Mother, Sunday, March 13, 2011, 4:22am; Reply: 15
perhaps that is the case, however,  I've been doing really well for awhile now and think I'll continue to let food be my medicine. I have never had good experiences with ANY medications (thought I may be a nonnie but I'm not) or supplements other than your standard vitamins. I really don't want to rock the boat when I don't have to. Thanks
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, March 13, 2011, 6:51pm; Reply: 16
I would just mention that it took me a long time to get used to polyflora, but once i stuck to it it works well for me now. everything takes time. a lot of which is wasted if you give up to soon.
Posted by: yaeli, Friday, April 1, 2011, 6:04am; Reply: 17
Polyflora O to me is a lifesaver.  As soon as I learnt that VSL#3 (which I'll never take because it's based on milk and contains lactose) contains 450 billions of friendly bacteria (8 strains) per 1 sachet, I understood that a dose of 20 capsules daily of Polyflora O (i.e., 35 billions daily of the 2 recommended strains) instead of the 6 caps daily I have been taking is more than safe. Within less than 24 hours my powers returned to me, I found myself fresh and joyful.  :D  There is not enough thankfulness in the world to send to Dr. D for creating this unique & invaluable product.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 1, 2011, 7:52am; Reply: 18
read Dr. D'Adamo's rationale for developing Genoma Security
might be just what you need besides compliance
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 1, 2011, 7:54am; Reply: 19
Lectin-Scrubbing With Deflect
Posted by: Mother, Friday, April 1, 2011, 12:40pm; Reply: 20
thanks Lola, didn't understand it all but....I definately am compliant, the very most of the time. I do know things like pork gelatin show up where I didn't know...

Whats the name of the supp for stress and anxiety? thinking of getting my over busy, over achiever sick daughter that and deflect
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 1, 2011, 7:20pm; Reply: 21
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, April 3, 2011, 5:49am; Reply: 22
Quoted from paul clucas
You could try taking Polyflora with Live Cell and Deflect; they work well together.
Yes Live Cell to me is a great energy booster!
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, April 4, 2011, 8:01pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from yaeli
Yes Live Cell to me is a great energy booster!
I would imagine so, but I use it primarily for weight loss/cardiovascular issues.  It is likely that Live Cell (assuming you bought the right type) is better than astralagus - my favorite all-blood type, "all purpose" herb.

Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 2:42am; Reply: 24
Mother, are you a small person? I have a friend who is smallframed, she is very petite and her doc told her not to take a lot of fiber becuse it will just bloat her. Even tho she has serious diverticulosis...
Posted by: misspudding, Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 7:33am; Reply: 25
Mother, I've been gluten free for over a year. I avoid milk, but do mozzerella and I try really hard to be corn free, but it's hard.

Since I've been pretty compliant, bloating is *very* rare. Like once a month rare. But a few months back, I tried a gluten free fiber supplement. OH MY GAWD. I felt like I was going to DIE, I was so bloated.

I haven't noticed a problem with larch or chicory, but I'm an Explorer. Don't know if that means I can do a little more carbs than you?
Posted by: Mother, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 12:07pm; Reply: 26
Jayneeo- nope, I'm not small, I'm tall but I am thin.

misspudding- i get the exact same thing fron psyllium or any of the fiberall type supps. I can't even look at them. I have definately found that avoiding (or maybe very small amounts here and there) nuts, legumes and many veg proteins are my best option. If I stick with protein, fat and non starchy veg I have no problems what-so-ever. My daughter was chroniaclly constipated all her 21 years (along w/bloating and pain). now she's gone to almost no fiber and 'going' everyday. fiber seems to STOP her digestion. She stuggles even with vegetables so for now has switched to rice products. She probably has candida so that is not going to work but is having surgery for endometriosis as I type. We'll see how that comes out.
MY system seems to like the bsic all natural 'hunter food pack'. It doesn't like meds or even alot of supps, just your standard vitamins-C,D,Multi, turmeric, cal and mag.
Thanks for your replies
Posted by: Jenny, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 8:09am; Reply: 27
Just want to backtrack on the matter of psyllium..I notice in the links that there is an issue with some Os, but I wonder if there is a definitive statement on the use of psyllium for other types? Or is it just a matter of trial and error? On the other hand, are other foods better for the purpose of dealing with constipation/flatulence? I am taking polyflora A.
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 3:25pm; Reply: 28
Read the reply # 12 in the following thread.
Posted by: san j, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 10:40pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Lola

The operative quote is at the very bottom:

Quoted Text
Polyflora Blood Type Specific Probiotics also blend 'prebiotics' (foods which provide special growth factors for probiotic bacteria) that are right for each type. .

Posted by: swd123, Friday, May 11, 2012, 5:16am; Reply: 30
Is it okay to take Polyflora O with a little sip of water? I've also noticed the very uncomfortable bloating effect
Posted by: Jenny, Friday, May 11, 2012, 5:44am; Reply: 31
Quoted from paul clucas

Hi Paul, reply 12 above did not really address my concerns. Perhaps I should start a separate thread on psyllium alone, what do you think?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, May 11, 2012, 7:54pm; Reply: 32
It's fine to take polyflora with a whole glass of water swd.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, May 11, 2012, 11:14pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from swd123
Is it okay to take Polyflora O with a little sip of water? I've also noticed the very uncomfortable bloating effect
I have found that polyflora works best with a glass of water and a live cell at the same time.

Posted by: kittykar1, Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:45pm; Reply: 34
Sounds like you might have a candida overgrowth and the bene bacteria could be killing the bad bacteria, this can cause bloating, stomach upset and constipation or diarrhea. I started out taking the polyflora 1 capsule a day for a week and added 1 more capsule the next week. It took me a month to work up to the recommended dose. Also as someone stated earlier they need to be taken away from food.
Posted by: FancyMom, Saturday, July 19, 2014, 9:12pm; Reply: 35
I have had incredible results with Polyflora O. In fact, I cannot tolerate ANY probiotics except Polyflora!  Since I started taking it, my digestive issues are virtually gone. It's been about a week of taking these three times a day and I can now tolerate more of the foods that used to tear up my stomach. My gas and bloating are 1/2 what they used to be. I am much more regular as well!  Thank you Dr. D for all your hard work!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, July 21, 2014, 7:41pm; Reply: 36
Welcome, FancyMom, and thanks for sharing your experience with PolyFlora O!
Posted by: misspudding, Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 7:59am; Reply: 37
Sorta resurrecting an old thread here, but finally got my polyflora and deflect today. So far, so good with the polyflora (hoping I'm not shooting myself in the foot by taking more than one dose today). No bloating, yet, as far as I can tell (took one polyflora 8 hours ago, another just now before bed).

Will report back in a few days. My biggest thing I'm hoping for is my sugar and alcohol cravings have been through the roof, lately, which I'm guessing is yeast. Would love too knock that back for good!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 10:43am; Reply: 38
Good Idea to have a live cell with the polyflora.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 4:30pm; Reply: 39
Mother, if your intent is to try to work on your gut by using beneficial bacteria, I have some experience with this.  I used to sell a product line that had a very good line of probiotics and enzymes.  I worked with a large group of folks who were natural health practitioners and I learned a lot from that experience.

One of the things I learned is that it is often, although not always, best to use a single strain probiotic.  We almost always started people off with bifidus with no additional ingredients.  We often started off by having people  actually open the capsule and just sprinkle a little on their tongue, having one capsule last about five days, then increasing gradually.  Once you could tolerate the bifidus, we would recommend that you continue with the bifidus and then add acidophilus in the same manner as you started the bifidus.  This process can take more than a month to build up but it did help to stave off the negative reactions that often times accompany adding a probiotic to your diet.

On the subject of fiber, I too, cannot take fiber.  It bloats and constipates me and makes me feel miserable.  I have tried this with many different types of fiber and the results are always the same.  Pretty extreme gastrointestinal pain and severe constipation.  When you are trying to work on your gut health, the last thing you want is constipation.  One needs to keep all pathways of elimination open and functioning.

I read a post above about small framed people not doing well with fiber.  I am very small, so maybe that has something to do with it.  

I don't know if bifidus is rated for Hunters/O's but I am an O and a Hunter and I did great with bifidus.  It is the beneficial bacteria that is found in breast milk.

Ultimately, you know your body best!
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 6:13pm; Reply: 40
Patty, your post reminded me of my first experience with probiotics. It was pretty awful, to say the least, but I stuck with them. I took two caps twice a day from day one. After a few hours on the first day, my head felt like a steel band was wrapped around it and getting tighter by the minute. I was crazy with pain. I knew I needed to eat, but I couldn't think of a thing to fix even though there was plenty of food in the house. My husband came home from work a little after five (by this time I was walking the floor crying), and he was beside himself about what to do. Eventually, we got something together to eat, and I began to feel better.  Anyway, long story short, it was a crash course in getting "used" to taking probiotics that I don't recommend to anyone! Dr. D.'s would probably not have caused such a violent response, but I'm not sure about that. All my reaction told me, according to what I had read, was that I desperately needed probiotics! So I plowed through the symptoms and eventually began to see some very positive results. There was a tiny light at the end of the tunnel. (sunny)
Posted by: misspudding, Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 6:14pm; Reply: 41
Well, so far so good. Small amount of bloating last night but overall, feel good.

Patty, I read somewhere last night that non secretors don't typically have much bifidobacteria in their guts. Don't know if that means bifidobacteria are bad for nonnies or what.
Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 8:19pm; Reply: 42

Thank you for the advice. I will keep the slow start in mind if I feel the need to take them. I am not trying per se to heal my gut. I AM trying to keep it happy and it has been lately. I have always had the constipation problem and as you noticed all fiber supps make it worse as well as probiotics, and other supplements for that matter. Recently (for months) I have had the exact opposite trouble and it's pretty definitive now that spinach was the culprit. It's only been a few days since not eating it but things are coming around and changing to 'more normal'. I will see where this leads I guess. Sad to see spinach go but there are plenty of other veggies for me. Even root veggies cause me discomfort and bloating. I have tried for years to heal my gut and at the end of the day it like what it likes. As Dr D says, hunters don't tolerate the foods it doesn't like so take what works an leave the rest'. This is what works for me. I have lots of options that do work.

If I do find without spinach I need probiotics I will start slow. Magnesium always worked magic in the past so I have that to fall back on if things change too much the other way!!
Posted by: misspudding, Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 7:40am; Reply: 43
Still doing all right.

I'm thrilled that I ordered and have been taking Deflect since yesterday. I got unknowingly glutened and it hasn't been a huge deal! Yay!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 8:34pm; Reply: 44
Good, MP!

Hmmm, I'm wondering if I should try it again.  I used to take it with breakfast, and I'd feel bloated all morning.  I might try taking it after supper.  Then if I do experience bloating, it might dissuade my from seeking out sweets before bedtime.
Posted by: misspudding, Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 10:15pm; Reply: 45
SquarePeg, I'm hoping it continues to be helpful. I drank a lot of "fake coffee" with chicory in it, earlier this year, and I know that gave me some gas. I think the amount that's in Polyflora is small in comparison to what I was drinking before. Perhaps that just primed my system enough to be able to tolerate it?

I don't notice whatever is in Deflect when I've been taking it, so I'm guessing I don't have any issues with Larch.

You could always half or quarter the dose (or even just start with a sprinkle) and work up super slow.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Monday, July 20, 2015, 1:06pm; Reply: 46
Very helpful thread, thanks everyone!
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