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Posted by: san j, Saturday, March 5, 2005, 11:44pm
Yay, I found the NEW THREAD button.
B's:  Get back to me on the subject of being a total anachronism, belatedly computer-illiterate, etc.  I'd like some company.
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Sunday, March 6, 2005, 3:02am; Reply: 1
i would love to answer but im afraid i dont get it lol.
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 3:22am; Reply: 2
Oh honey, I can relate!!

Yes, I do have a love/hate relationship with technology, feeling like a throw back from some previous era...

But hey, you DID eventually find the new thread button! That is progress for a B!

Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 3:50am; Reply: 3
Well being a middle aged civil engineer, I couldn't entirely avoid the computer age. Email certainly speeds up communication in business, sometimes to much. Some people seem to shoot from the mouse so to speak. Also communication that is to easy can hinder some people from just making a feaking decision! But I use it for what I consider usefull. The same email to all participants greatly speeds up scheduling meetings and an email to some people makes it hard for them to deny they were informed about something. On a nonprofessional note forums are nice and digital music downloads for my iPod are great.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, March 6, 2005, 9:20am; Reply: 4

A2B = A2 is over under B or l'inverse.....;D

at the very early beginnings I was a little afraid to learn the computersystems... but I am
alltimes autodidact..... tipsl..tipsl..tipsl...

I love it to be connected to the whole world..... sitting at home and talking with everybody.... thats great... no? I f you remember- made some years.... a letter to Canada or Australia took weeks!!!! And now.... tipsl...tipsl..and whithin seconds you get your replies.... ;D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 11:13am; Reply: 5
I have this funny feeling about computers and tecnology in general:
I love being able to connect with people around me- BUT I really don´t care much for the tecnology- I just wan´t it to work!- I have somehow learned all just be trying/playing- At home I am a MAC user- It was really easy to learn- It alway tells be if I do something wrong ;-) and I can fix it without a help from some smart pc man
At work we use pc- well today they looks very much like a mac- but I still can´t fix it if it breaks down.....
All the hardcore mac users I know is B ´s except for my mum who is a O- thinking like a B?????

I have just got a cel phone? (we call it a mobile phone)- I MUST be the last dane between 20-40- to get one!!- My daughter got one when she turned 10- and had to ride her bike in a rather isolated countryside- I wanted to be able to reach her- She LOVES it!- me - well sure it is nice to be able to call somebody if I break my leg in the middle of no where- but ..... I don´t really care for what it can do otherwise- I don´t bring it with me all the time- I like being in the garden/forest without being interupted by a phone- most people I know - never turns it off....
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 2:00pm; Reply: 6
This A understand perfectly you B friends;

when the PC doesn't work well I feel a stone age person with a will to setroy it, but I stop and try to fix it. Seldom I can do it and I am fond to have done it.
The cell phone is often embarassing and not in tune with  what we are doing but turning it off or using it with more polite mind could change it in the very smart intruments it is.
Have fun !
Maria Giovanna
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Sunday, March 6, 2005, 2:16pm; Reply: 7
Oh speaking of Mobile/Cell phones. I am the only person i know who has NOT upgraded their phone! Everyone can make movies and take pictures and download music and I really don't care (although i will need a new one soon). It is so funny, my freiends make fun of my celly saying it is so old style! It is not as important to me anyways!  I do bring it everywhere and usually shut it off when at a restaurant or something.
Computers...i do think people should start using email more efficiently especially businesses. They aren't very good sometimes at utilizigin the quickness of email and website and it bothers me becasue sometimes i hate talking on my old style phone! I do have to say I am also the last person i know to ever own a laptop, i just got it last september an di love it.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 3:40pm; Reply: 8
Yeah I haven't "upgraded" my cell phone yet either. I allready have a digital camera, all I want out of my cell phone is that it be rugged, have a lockable keyboard, and a vibratory ring since I often work next to loud machinery. It is also the only phone I use except for the old landline that I have hooked to a answering machine that plays but doesn't record for the companies that can't seem to understand the no in "no call".
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Sunday, March 6, 2005, 5:44pm; Reply: 9
There's a new thread button?! ??)   I don't want a laptop!  I love my desktop computer and I love ordering products from all over the nation.  My cell phone is old and is great for emergencies but I don't want people to bother me just to chat over one, just wait until I get home and can sit down with some red bush tea and chat then!   ;D  8)
Posted by: san j, Monday, March 7, 2005, 2:02am; Reply: 10
OK: I've got you all beat. I don't own a computer!! No cell phone either. And I don't have cable television, which is to say that I use my TV for watching videos about 20x a year (and I only have the TV because an old neighbor died and her granddaughter insisted I take it, in 1997) on the VCR (my first) I bought in about 1999 -- just in time for the DVD revolution! I do have an answering machine which is essential for business.  I use a computer regularly as of 18 months ago, but it's at the cafe a few blocks away from home.
But my home library contains thousands upon thousands of books, stacked and spilling everywhere! And I've read them in whole or in part.
I have to admit that since using the computer it does come in handy for keeping in touch with friends and family who have very little to do with anyone or anything that doesn't come through cyberspace.  I surf around and discover cool things, and one of these days I'll cave and buy a computer.  
I decided years ago that I'd buy one when they'd be light and thin and notebook size (this was then a fantasy) easily portable and less than $500 brand spanking new complete with service contract, etc.  We're almost there
As for the cell phone, I, too envisioned, when we heard there would one day be such a gizmo, a Brave New World nightmare. "Why would anyone want to be so enslaved?" I wondered.  And now, here in the city, everywhere you look, people are yakking away, obnoxious rings are going off, while I can be engrossed in LIFE, thank you very much.
As for the homefront, I have one phone.  It's the desktop plug-in kind.  Initially I rented it from New England Bell when I was at University there about 30 years ago.
It had two "extra" buttons on it, never seen before.  Today we call them "star" and "pound".  We wondered what they were for; the phone company told us that one day they would be used for "picture phones" and other sci-fi sorts of things. That's my telephone.  It's made the way things were made then.
So, other B's like to read and travel and learn new languages and live life "hands-on" and cook and do things the old fashioned way, huh?.
Posted by: yaman, Monday, March 7, 2005, 8:00am; Reply: 11

You reminded me a story that I like a lot.

There once was a traveller who came into a town and started looking for a shelter. A man saw him and said he could spend the night at his place if he needed one..

When they entered the man's house, the traveller realized that there were nothing but the piles of books.

The traveller asked the man: "Where is your furniture?"

The man answered: "Where are yours"

Traveller: "I'm a traveller passing by"

The man: "So am I"

Pleased to meet you :)

Posted by: san j, Monday, March 7, 2005, 9:43pm; Reply: 12
Could someone tell this computer-inept B how to locate a thread that doesn't come up under "recent threads"? I'm wasting so much time looking for recent threads that aren't, apparently, recent enough to make it to the top 20 or how ever many have been added to in the past day or less.
And Thanks Yaman for the cool joke.
There's another one about Sagittarians ( or those with that sign prominent in their charts): A Sagittarian moves house when the dishes pile up too high.  I suspect we world traveling B's can relate as well.
Posted by: Meltoast (Guest), Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 3:55am; Reply: 13
[color=blue][/color]I'm a new member, a B, but I don't know my secretor status. I think I fit in here. Last year when I was substitute teaching in an English class, I explained to an honors student how I couldn't download the lastest Outkast video because I have AOL 6.0 and Windows 95. His eyes got wide.  :oI went on to tell him that I didn't have cable TV, nor did I have call waiting, caller ID, voice mail, a VCR, a DVD player OR a microwave...or a stove (I do have an answering machine, a one-burner hotplate and a convection oven). The kid threw his head back and howled with laughter.  ;DHe said, "Miss, you're like Thoreau on Walden Pond!"  :-/It was a great line, and I liked the comparison.  ::)
Posted by: Gee Whiz, Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 4:27am; Reply: 14
I love you B's, but you're not the only ones.  My AB and I only have TV because the family gave it to us after his grandmother died (we were in our late 30s).  So we got a vcr.  No cable, no cell phone, no call waiting, etc.  We only have a computer because  his father insisted we take his old one, and it's only updated because my brother is a techie who loves fiddling with my computer. But as an aquarius O, I do enjoy it. Sometimes too much. ::)  And our cars are 15 years old with 220k+ miles on them.  As you Bs know so well, there's lots more to life than working and spending!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 5:05am; Reply: 15
well you made it all the way down here!!!

you will find your avatar-(top right hand corner of this page )at the 'member center'...... will be easier for
all of us to know your type at a glance!  ty
Posted by: 1490 (Guest), Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 11:47am; Reply: 16

oh these computers,
how I miss the times that my genes tell me of,
when we Bs hiked on the tundra with our goat,
endless hours of talking and playing musics by the evening fires,
all the time,
all the space,
and now wheres my tribe?
around the globe!
and too often to connect I have to sit in front of some strange machine,
or use a mobile phone,
oh no,

give me back my nomad days
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 4:26pm; Reply: 17
Oh my forget about hiking with the goat! I am EATING the darn goat (aww poor thing)

I just remembered somethign else, i hate looking like evryone else. I hate buying clothes that a large number of people could own so i usually try to stay away from trendy stores since the second i buy something i  see a hundred others wearing it and i hate it therefore if possible i avoid the trendy name brand stores.

Also are other B's not picky about food? I am the only person i know who likes pretty much everything, and there are too many around me who wont eat the cake if the frosting was put on it from a spoon instead of a knife (you know, dumb things like that!)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 7:32pm; Reply: 18
my A2B 3cents- yeehhaaa meee too!!!
Best is to be as saucey as you can in restaurant....hi-hi-hiiiii so I am looking sometimes and the waiter is the poorest of the whole earth ;D
dany try a forch...... ;D but the stick you must put into the cake.....;D
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 10:49pm; Reply: 19
U2Dan, I constantly amaze people with the variety of things I consider edible(and of course with the avoids on the BTD). Everybody knows to ask me what something is if I give them something to eat, I think the jalapeno and thai pepper laced brownies had something to do with it. Don't knock it they are great. Being an avid organic gardener also gives me a greater range of raw ingredients. The only thing I rejected as a kid was rutabagas and I'm not to thrilled about lima beans.
Posted by: dee (Guest), Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 7:57am; Reply: 20
Ha ha, this is a good one.
I use word on my pc and the internet. Thats it. My cell phone was a gift from my dad; I use it to text people and to call people. I have no idea what it can do. Apparantly a lot.
Mu husband has shown me about 20 times how to use his Playstation to watch a DVD. still clueless.
When people start talking technical stuff, my eyes glaze over and my brain goes fishing.

BUT, put me in a book store, and I get supercharged and get maniacal. I love scented candles, and incense and pictures and creative things. But if it has a switch, I do not want to know.

As for clothes - ha ha, Dan, I buy and wear what I like, not whats in fashion. I will buy the same boots in three different colours (yes, Ihave done this), but wont buy something in fashion if I dont think it suits me.
I also went last week and cut off all my hair. It is now all feathered and very very short and everyone wants to know why!

Even when I got married last year - the tradition here is to invite as many people as you know and to have a huge family wedding - we are talking 2 000 people. I had 18 people at my wedding....

My life motto is "because I can".
I think that must be a B-plan. Because we can.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 11:17am; Reply: 21
Oh Dee - I love your motto!

I´m the same with books, plants, kids, and animals- and yes I had this weird attraction of: normads even before I read about BTD - wanted so much to ride on horseback under the mongolian friends thinks I´m nuts and my family thinks that I read to much- dream to much- except my sis who is a fellow B.

The clothes: I am the same- my kid thinks that I am a fasion disaster- not that I don´t like nice clothes- but  I want something that suits me..
I have only got wellies(rubberboots), nice winterboots, practical sandals and a nice pair of ECCO trainers- why should I need more shoes?- my girlfriends thinks that it weird....
BUT look at my shelves: I can´t give up buying books- and I have just inherited a lot of books from my dad- old friends -you don´t throw away !

Food- well both my sister and I are interested in food- loves to cook different food or unusual food or grow weird things like carrots in rainbowcolours or beets in yellow white striped....
- but WE want QUality- the supermarket thinks I am really picky- I know what I want- I don´t just buy things.

I always thought that it was my LEO part that made me crave individuality but maybe it is the B in me that makes me wanting to be "alone" in a group of friends?
Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 3:40pm; Reply: 22
The books, the books, the books...yes seems to be a theme.

For many years now I have viewed my library card as my most prized possession. I wouldn't be able to live my life as I know it without that wonderful library and all those books...

But here's another one that I suspect is a B thing. In order for a meal to be fully appetizing it MUST contain the full color spectrum. I need all colors on my plate, and  preferably in varying hues... a visual feast for the eyes to whet the palate.

And Gulfcoastguy... LOVE jalapenos in desserts! Try some in apple pie sometime - so wonderful!!

Posted by: san j, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 4:45pm; Reply: 23
Friends, and (yay!) Family!
I can't tell you how gratified I am that I started this thread!!
Yes, the BOOKS: And since I live in a small place, I'm constantly (and I've only succumbed to it lately, by necessity) sorting and hauling bags of 'em off to the charitable orgs. and, when suitable, used book shops, to make space for things like sitting down, navigating the hallway, etc. not to mention MORE BOOKS!
I grew up in a nuclear family in which I was the only B. And books aren't the only major issue, as you can imagine.  
I have a whole data bank of subjects other than books and technology, in a manila folder, of course!
Is the group ready to talk RELIGION?
I have to run right now, but consider the gauntlet to have been thrown down, and let's touch upon: CONVERSION, if we dare.
I don't know about y'all, but this thread may just turn out to be Home Base.
Posted by: Ellie, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 5:21pm; Reply: 24
Is loving books a sign of being a B? If so, my dad would win hands down!! (don't know what he is and he won't make any changes to his diet unless told by doctor). I love reading too as does my mum (B)(when she has time) and one of my sisters (B). My youngest sister (tried to do the Blood Test on her at home but not sure whether it means she's a B or an O even though did it twice - B would be better as she's a vegetarian although recently started to eat fish - I gave her some of my Deflect once and it did help her) - anyway, she's like a totally different generation - well into mobile phones, dvds, sky tv etc and loves to shop for clothes - they're essential to her, whereas they're useful to me (and I have the feeling there's more to life). Anyway, apart from my dad, we're all into "weird" stuff - my sister is into Reiki, I do tarot, even my neice is psychic (at the age of 8) (she loves meat - poss O?). I used to go to church every Sunday but grew out of it (too much pressure to  conform??)

Bs rule !!!!
Posted by: Ellie, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 5:24pm; Reply: 25
Just wondering how those smilies appeared - did I enter some secret code? Or do I have magical powers?? It's supposed to read my neice is 8...
Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 5:40pm; Reply: 26
Ah Ha!!

You have cracked the code!!

Yes, there is a code to key in the smilies, but add a space or two and they shouldn't manifest where unwanted...

They do seem to have a mind of their own sometimes... could the smilies be B's after all??
Posted by: Ellie, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 5:51pm; Reply: 27
Now if only I knew what I'd done to try and repeat it ...Pretty cool really. Just call me Harry Potter..Game of Quidditich anyone?
Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:04pm; Reply: 28

Here is a link that has the key equivalents for the smilies. Usually it is the question marks followed by parantheses with no spacing that draws out the little buggers.

Swish and Flick....

Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:15pm; Reply: 29
How nice to find people like me!!!!  Yay B's!  I absolutely LOVE books.  And here's a weird thing (what else coming from a B), I used to work in a printing plant and they had a book there called the PMS (pantone matching system, I believe).  It showed every itty bitty color of the spectrum.  I loved to look at this book.  All those colors could transport me to a different world!  Is that crazy??  I just love color!

Also, I don't conform to fashion either, which may be good or bad! ;D  And I think I was the only kid at the age of 10 that wanted to be a parapsychologist!  So there's that love of weird phenomena (sp?).  Finally, people that understand me...... :D
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:32pm; Reply: 30
Uh oh..i think im an oddball..i dont love books...Well i guess wait...I do love cook books so i guess, am i part of the B gang!? However they are the only books i like to read, but i love maps and national geogrpaphic! I do enjoy shopping for housewares and clothes but my clothes cannot be like anyone elses lol..I just recently shopped at Old Navy and loved a l ot of stuff, but the only thing i could bring myself to buy was a down stuffed winter coat since it was mighty on sale, and even now i see too many people with that coat :-(  I am always the last person to get an up to date cell phone and other electronics, and im still in school next year will be number 6, and its mostly becasue i want to learn everything, and theres just no time to learn when you have a work schedule!  

My sister and I love maps and geography and learning and reading abotu langauges etc, and I think she is a B too, my brother is a little different, my mom says he is also a B but i think he is an O (plus he has crohns disease, and has to drink lactaid products) He is confusing!  
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 6:51pm; Reply: 31
U2dan I don´t think B and books is a waterproof thing - my grandfather loved books as well - but he was also a O - with some B like personality- but wanting to learn new things- sure - that must be related to loving books.

Kristin- YES I know the thing about colours and eating- My mum (o) and my dad( AB) where/is both very good cooks- but a very different way than my sis(B) and I- we both need to produce a meal with lots a colours- they never understood why?
Several times I have known that I had a good meal but somehow felt that it  missed something- yes all colours.
Tonight I had a lamb chops with spelt spagehetti, courgettes, cheese and parsley- pretty ok meal- but I felt it missed something: So afterwards I just needed some red grapes and some carrot juice- even though I was full- needed the colour :-D
Carol - Both my sis and I have worked with design- she is a Landscape architect and  - well I am a archeologist with no job- so I worked designing folders etc- choosing colours, font types etc- and in my holidays I love gardening- dreaming about colours -flowers etc..... I love pretty things- but I would never buy things just because they are trendy.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 10:54pm; Reply: 32
Yes I love books but it is really a needs to have some sort of information intake at all times. I have been known to have the television on in one room while on the internet and reading a paper back while I down load music. I also love crosswords puzzles though I may have inhereted that from my grandmother who died when I was in grade school. My Mom says I do a lot of things like her like I usually start reading a paper from the back and work forwards and several other things. About food I admit I hate the "beige" diet bland is boring and often nutritionally deficient. Since I am a pretty good cook that isn't a problem. About clothes I wear what I like but they have to be comfortable and a bit unconventonal which means I tend to dress like I was several years younger than I am. Most people tend to underestimate my age by quite a bit also. About being into weird stuff as a person in a very conservative profession having yoga, martial arts, cooking, gardening  and several other things as hobbies would be considered quite weird if I let everybody know about it. When I need to be I can appear to be very conventional. As far a religion that is generally a bad subject to bring up on forums. Another forum I go to has pretty much self destructed over politics, social issues, and the religious views people based there opinions on.
Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 11:03pm; Reply: 33
I agree gulfcoast.  I'll keep religion and politics to myself 8)
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Wednesday, March 9, 2005, 11:40pm; Reply: 34
Well, I don't know if I fit in here or not.  I do love books and just cannot stop buying them even though there is a library within walking distance.  It's almost too bad I have discovered because I keep finding authors I didn't know existed.  I love reading other customers' reviews and I have discovered a lot of authors that way.

I, too, have to have color at every meal.  Now, they say that's good for nutrition.  I guess my mother was way ahead on that.  Also, I can eat almost anything.  Liver is not my favorite, however.

As to clothes, I am only interested in the classic look and therefore my clothes last longer and don't go out of date as fast.  I do have a closet full of shoes, though, and that's because I can't bear to throw any away (what's the matter with me).  I even have some heels from the 1980s.  That's what we called them, "heels."  Heels and flats.

And, I'm a fighter against  the proverbial city hall.  I write letters to the local paper now and again or I write my senators or congressmen to let them know what I believe stongly about.  I feel I'm pretty mainstream, neither right nor left, but rather individualistic not wanting to be told what to do.  I want the facts and then make up my own mind.  I was born in September and really fit into the Libra concept. as far as justice is concerned.  

I'm not sure I fit into other B's concepts as related on the Board.  Maybe we are individualistic?     8)
Posted by: san j, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 12:48am; Reply: 35
Here's what I meant by broaching the topic of Religion: Not really so much the content of what individuals believe, but more a sense of spirituality leading us to "really seek God" and/or explore various religions.
My experience is that B's are, generally, extra-interested in other cultures, languages and customs, "other" meaning other than the "native" one.
Being the only B in my family, and also having converted from my family's "religion", if you could call it that (!), I was just wondering if anyone out there was inclined to discuss this, now or later!  I think there's a connection with contemplativeness (cloud-watching in the Himalayas?), piety and spirituality: B and AB are the "minority" types and I think we tend toward what worldlier ones would call "eccentric" paths.  The B type just might turn out to be highly represented amongst converts, at least in the western world (nomadic "roots"?) This isn't to say that O's and A's aren't churchgoing-types or atheists.  But their religiosity may be more vis-a-vis the established communities, either in a conforming or a reacting way. More on this topic later? Meanwhile any B contemplative types/converts/hermits feel free to jump in here.

On the subject of books, there's a FABULOUSLY funny out-of-print paperback (in the "humour" category) called Biblioholism, and it's by Tom Raabe.  Wanna belly laugh so hard you cry? This is about the reading habit, fellow B's: And yet another book to read!
I not only love to read, but I do have a "bookstore" problem.  There are more expensive and dangerous vices, for sure.  But I also read in various foreign languages and tend to teach myself a new one when it suits me.
Posted by: Constantine, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 7:34am; Reply: 36
Wow, I see lots of similarities to myself here.

I also love to read books; I ALWAYS have one ready.  Don't like "trendy" clothes either.  Well, come to think of it, I like being in style with quality clothes, but I like doing it in my own way.  Like, I prefer having an item that nobody around me has.  And also being the "first" to wear something, just before it gets really trendy (but once that happens I'll stop wearing it).   The idea of nomadism also appealed to me long before I found the BTD; I've always liked reading about Scythians, Huns, and other wanderers.

Growing up, I always avoided team sports and "regular people" in general.  I always liked sports that combined skill, individuality, and art, but at the same time allowed me to hang out in small groups that had their own style, speech, and mannerisms.  Skateboarding, surfing, etc.  What kinds of sports did you guys tend to gravitate to?
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Thursday, March 10, 2005, 1:10pm; Reply: 37

i loooove foreign languages! i think one of the reaons its taking me so long to graduate school is  becuase I am always taking classes i dont need lol (language). The past two years i have been learning italian, before that was russian and german (was torn between this and greek) and then before that french spanish and german and in highschool i was taking french and german (wanted to continue them).

Now lately i have been addicted to reading facts and info online about languages and their groups etc, and i have been interested in Romanian the most so far!

When i was younger all of my friends were in the "different" category, although i never really got into sports
Posted by: Kristin, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 3:37pm; Reply: 38
exj ~ responding to the call for contemplative types...

I'm not much of a "cloud watcher" but I do like to sit and watch the grass grow.  :)

I do have something of an interesting history in relation to all this. I attended a small mid-western Christian college for my undergraduate degree, and then a contemplative university founded by a Tibetan Buddhist monk for my graduate degree ~ really both ends of the spectrum there. There was a  very large and active sanga (community) at the Buddhist school and as I am not a Buddhist, it was interesting to participate in all of this as an observer. I learned alot about the pitfalls of taking a system of beliefs that originate in one culture, and transplanting them on to another.

I also practiced meditation at this time ~ called "sitting practice" as you are not meditating "on" something but rather observing the flow of thoughts as they emerge. It was interesting to practice this, but I saw that many devoted practioners had something of a disconnect between their mind and body which didn't appeal to me. I rarely practiced this type of meditation once I graduated.

Now my contemplative practice is hiking and being out in nature, observing the natural world. It is very grounding for me (one of the core reasons for having a contemplative practice, as I was taught) and nature is most definitely my muse. And it is where I feel closest to God, and also to myself.  I always return fresh, alive, and ready for life.

Posted by: san j, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 4:41pm; Reply: 39
Hello, friends:
u2dan and languages: Romanian is, indeed, a plenty fascinating proposition.  If you want to get really obscure, take a look at Switzerland's 4th official language, spoken only in its far eastern reaches (Graubunden, if I'm not mistaken, which I may be): Romansch! The "6th" romance language, actually 7th if you include Latin itself!
Re: Italian: Are you taking courses, or teaching yourself? Make sure you have plenty of opportunity to actually speak it aloud, so you can feel it in your mouth. You've got to hyper-enunciate the vowels, exaggerating the mouth position, so you get the full "chewiness" of this lingua merivigliosa! I read aloud in italian for this reason.
Funny you should feel torn between German and Greek.  I usually think of them at the same time too, because they're both full of declensions and force me to use certain similar braincells, it seems.  German, likewise, read aloud for the soft, "Spatlese" (ripe) pleasures. Greek is, for me, slower going.
This is terrific, B's. We need our place.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 5:09pm; Reply: 40
It is SO strange to read about people like me- AND you just live all over the world..
I know a lot af languages (have to only 5 millions speak danish :-) ) - but pityful not well enough to speak them all proper. When I lived in Ireland I just loved to listen to gaelic(irish) My exboyfriend never understood why  He hated that he had to learn it in school- well he was a A with a O personality......
I seem to crave information- and I DO write a letter or two in the paper.
Religious?- well in my own homemade way- when I was very small: 4 years old I lived my grandparents for while.
They just let me outto play in the big forest( we don´t really have dangerous animals here in denmark)- and I remember clearly a sensation of being in the middle of nature and the trees seemed like gods. So there I was talking to the old oak grandfather- imagined that the birch-maiden dancing infront of me.- Maybe thats why I ´m so much into organic living and nature.;-) And going for a walk makes me feel fit  both in my body and i my head- I just wish I had more real nature around me- here it is mostly agriculture(golden fields) and nice but a bit boring beech forest- I miss the wilderness of Ireland.
Posted by: Ellie, Thursday, March 10, 2005, 11:30pm; Reply: 41
I'm a linguist too.  I have a degree in French and Russian (with a bit of Romanian thrown in- spent a year there after my degree - love the language and the people - they've definitely got some of that Latin temperament - so different to the Russians (although some wonderful people there too including my "landlady" who looked after me very well for 3 months). I did German and Spanish at school (and also Religious Studies!) and am (re)learning Welsh at moment - it's part of my heritage (my mum is Welsh speaking). I love the fact that when you speak in a different language you almost have to become a different person - like in Russia you don't ask politely for something in a shop (please, thank you etc) you have to give an order. (Give me...).

As for clothes, I'm not trendy at all and buy clothes as I need them. But my B nain (grandmother) loved to shop and looked pretty good (and still slim) at the age of 91 (when she died). After my taid(grandfather) died she went on holiday to France with part of the family (she was in her 80s). She was really interested in what was going on in the world. She was FAB. My O grandfather was much happier with his routine (he played a LOT of sport!!)and much less keen to explore the world (although he had been a marvellous teacher and headmaster and he was wonderful to us kiddies too.). Also my nain loved to dance as does my mum and I do and also my sister - I figure this is a B thing as it comes under the heading of exercise with some mental component or whatever Dr. D wrote.

And I live by the sea/mountains now and feel much more at home - and yes, great way to reconnect with "God" or whatever you like to call it, and great for stress relief! And we buy organic local veggies and we can get local organic eggs and we had an organic local turkey for Christmas. I am getting more and more into these things as I get older.

Posted by: 751 (Guest), Friday, March 11, 2005, 6:35pm; Reply: 42
I am all for the overstimulation described by gulfcoastguy.
I have more books and records than I know with what to do.
And I tend to pick up languages in a similar (diletante-ish) manner:  When I am travelling in another country, it doesn't take too long for me to be able to order food, get directions, and read signs.  Even to have moderate conversations.  But, at this point, I'm unable to have deep conversations in another language.
Posted by: san j, Friday, March 11, 2005, 8:58pm; Reply: 43
hi u2dan:
I've been thinking about your "I'm an exception, because I'm not into books" statement.  You've been spending alot of time enrolled as a student, and you also state that you're addicted to reading online.  Somehow you're managing to  do a lot of learning (esp. of languages) without using books, per se.
Re: Self-education.  I have to say that a TINY percentageof my education was at University.  Most of my knowledge has been gained through reading and living.
I do remember when I graduated almost 30 years ago and said to someone (a B)
"I'm not looking forward to not being in school, for the first time in my life", and she told me (about 20 years my senior): "Now's when your education really begins".
So: u2dan, don't be afraid to take the plunge into  total autodidacticism: Browsing in bookstores and libraries is a more expansive way to expose yourself to new ideas, because of the element of "chance", than is the Internet or a college catalogue.  Try it for a year or two, at least: Wander on the open tundra like a good B!
Thanking you all again, B's, for your B-ness and making "B and Individuality" your "home page"!
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Friday, March 11, 2005, 11:59pm; Reply: 44
Haha exj!

yeah i do browse bookstores sometimes but i rarely buy something from it. I like having the internet so when i say "oh i wanto learn about ____" i can just go online and find out, altho sometimes is false info!
Yeha ive been in school a while, but that doenst mean i read the textbook (tee hee dont tell!). i think the only textbooks ive thoroguhly read are geography and any language books ive used, I am just not good at finding a book to read for fun.
     I live on the seacoast in the city and we have a beach and a walkway that outlines and stetches across the harbor that i love to walk and rollerblade on in the summer, and when i reach the other side of the harbor (abotu 4 miles) i sit stare at the airport (sometimes for hours without realizing it) I am fascinated with aircraft lol (not military!) which to me is relaxing, and in the summer i try and stay outside as much as possible doing homework or just relaxing next to the water.
       I like magazines, anything like National Geopraphic or a cooking magazine, or even anything in another language. but i did say i had a nice cookbook collection haha, thats usually what im browsing in when i go to a bookstore.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, March 12, 2005, 8:58pm; Reply: 45
OK B's: We had a "scented candles" aficionada back there. Do B's go for fine perfume or have a particularly acute sense of smell? I have been a "nose", could deconstruct perfumes, identify obscure essences, and I have what I'd call an essence-organ (perfumer's term) in my home comprising about 80 or so individual essential oils. I know this is genetic and that the finest perfume maisons in France have been passed down through families for centuries: Is it B related, I wonder.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Saturday, March 12, 2005, 9:56pm; Reply: 46
I have to be very carefull about scented candles or colognes. Alot of allergies run in my family and some of these scents give me sneezing fits especially gardenia. That said the ones I can tolerate I enjoy.
Posted by: san j, Sunday, March 13, 2005, 11:46pm; Reply: 47
Hey, gulfcoastguy:
If you go for scents but "react" to alot of them (especially "gardenia") you should check out pure essential oils.  My brother (AB) had "allergic" reactions to smells, but to NONE of them when I introduced him to The Real Thing(s).
Posted by: Ellie, Monday, March 14, 2005, 12:07am; Reply: 48
Smells - that's an interesting one. I know I hate really strong smells (although  I think that's the chemical variety - perfumes etc. Can make me feel sick). You know when you go into some public toilets(esp ones with no windows) and they've tried to make the bad smells go away - and so they spray some chemical laden "fragrance" on top of that - so you get the two on top of each other? Can't stand it - don't know how anyone can!! I don't know that I'm extra sensitive though...

Interestingly, there have been two programmes I've seen in the last year or two about the senses. One showed how somewhere( USA?) they're trying to develop a really bad smell to use as a riot preventer, to disperse crowds etc. They have to find something that will work on anybody. Wonder if they'll succeed? Another one was where they tested a "tea taster" to see if his taste buds were more highly developed than the average person and lo and behold - they found his ability to differentiate between all the teas was in his NOSE!!
Posted by: san j, Monday, March 14, 2005, 12:13am; Reply: 49
Ellie: BINGO.
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Monday, March 14, 2005, 3:01am; Reply: 50
Smells...of the candles i have they are usually light and earthy smelling. My all time favourite is grass, i love the way it smells like a fresh cut lawn. Another i have is Ocean breeze, its very light and smells almost like a lightly perfumed water (mmmhmm). I hate musky smells and strong perfumed candles that smell like colognes etc.

For wearing colognes....There are 2 that i like and theyre both fairly light and fresh scented. I cant deal with anything that is too heavy or musky blahhhh
Posted by: san j, Monday, March 14, 2005, 4:41pm; Reply: 51
I'm still wondering if type B could be genetically linked with a heightened/refined olfactory sense. Maybe the Doctor knows.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, March 18, 2005, 8:49pm; Reply: 52
I like smells that are very light- I don´t like anything that smells very heavy musky or chemical- I have a VERY good nose and normally I am the one who always have to taste things the last minute before serving even at friends places.Or have to smell if some foodstuff has turned bad/old.
Once I was asked to do a blind taste test - The guy was SO surprised that I had picked the most expensive vanilla icecream out( I was a poor single mum in UNI)- I was the only one of the 25 people he had that day
- well it was the only one that only contained; sugar, eggs, cream and real vanilla....... all the other stuff contained no cream or vanilla.
I love the smell of sweet peas- but I would never use it as a perfume - my favorite smell is rain in april- when it smells warm and of fresh grass..uhm- or the salty smell of the sea.
Posted by: Rosemary (Guest), Sunday, March 20, 2005, 4:06am; Reply: 53
U2Dan,  LOL at your comment earlier in this thread – too many around you who won’t eat the cake if the frosting was put on it from a spoon instead of a knife – totally crazy example (which obviously you chose for that reason), but it struck home for me.  Yes, my gosh, there are some incredibly fussy people out there.  Life would be so much easier if we just mosi’ed (is that a word?) along a bit more – and definitely more fun.

Having said that, now feeling a little guilty, as I know other people find me fussy about various things too, but I see it as having an eye for detail, paying attention, thinking carefully (positive things like that!).   Ah, the words we choose are so important aren’t they.
Posted by: Rosemary (Guest), Sunday, March 20, 2005, 4:53am; Reply: 54
Jumping into the smells conversation...  and your comment Exj_j about B’s possibly being genetically linked with a heightened / refined olfactory sense.  I certainly notice smells / perfumes (yuk) a lot more than people around me seem to, but one of those people who doesn’t notice smells is my husband, and he’s also a B.    One for your case, and one against, Exj_j.

Smells are incredibly powerful in terms of reviving memories, I find (maybe this is the ‘B thing?).   I lived in Montreal in the 80’s (ie  away from all the native plants here in Australia)  and at one point, I visited an indoor arboretum (somewhere near the Olympic Stadium, in case there’s any Montrealers reading this).  When I walked inside, the effect was immediate and overpowering;  memories of home just flooded in, generated by those smells I had grown up with, but not given a single thought to since I’d left home.  
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Sunday, March 20, 2005, 2:38pm; Reply: 55
Rosemary yes! i do that too and when i was in florida visiting my sister we smelled some kind of burning wood but it reminded us of a family trip to northern NH that we used to go on every summer and for me the memory made me feel lik ei was atually there for a minute. weird.

Oh haha i actually have mega lame friends that would say something as crazy as a spoon instead of knife to frost a cake, and then tey have the nerve to get offended if i happen to be trying to do somehting good for my own health. love it! lol
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, March 20, 2005, 5:23pm; Reply: 56
hi ya all :D
all what has been written is very similar to me, my half of my type waves to you all...

:K) Isa
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Sunday, March 20, 2005, 5:38pm; Reply: 57
yay Isa!!  its neat that you have 2 halves, join in!...umm does it make sense? haha unsinn danke!

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, March 20, 2005, 6:34pm; Reply: 58
nö,nö U2dan macht alles Sinn!!! :D
1/2 waven greetings Isa ;D  bittääschein.... bittääschein...
Posted by: Amroseda (Guest), Monday, March 21, 2005, 11:24am; Reply: 59
Quoted from exj_j
Yay, I found the NEW THREAD button.
B's:  Get back to me on the subject of being a total anachronism, belatedly computer-illiterate, etc.  I'd like some company.

Going back to the original topic, it's an interesting theory, but I doubt that it's true. My brother is a software engineer and I'm a computer systems analyst/programmer, which are much the same thing. Anyway, we're both B.

The human genome is composed of thousands of genes so I assume that the B gene is not the only contributing factor.

Posted by: san j, Saturday, March 26, 2005, 12:46am; Reply: 60
Hello B friends. This thread has fallen off "recent", and I miss y'all, genetic kin.
May our camels link in a sinuous dawn caravan as of old.

I'm a city dweller and eat out alot. I go in spurts of cooking for months, and then I get very busy around town and am too exhausted to do so, and go on a jag of eating out....

As I cross the wilderness I behold wisps of friendly smoke from yonder goat's-hair tent and approach.  Brethren hold forth a cup of fragrant muddy coffee and bid me recline upon the family carpet.

So I go in and order dinner. Who wouldn't?
Posted by: san j, Thursday, April 7, 2005, 12:38am; Reply: 61
The only reason I'm reviving this thread, again, is: I just found myself writing about B stuff that wasn't necessarily "Weight loss/gain" related on the "B and weight" thread, and, as I said there, I feel the need for some B fellowship out here on the steppe of life.

Anybody home? Let's see your saffron B banner waving in the Great Open Sky.
Only a small percentage of us are B's, and every now and again I crave the clan powwow.

Shall we indulge in an imaginary meal? Or should I tell you I discovered a little Indian restaurant where the Lamb Korma is ambrosial?  The quality of the meat is prime and oh-so-tender.  The yogurty sauce is perfectly perfumed.  The wine list, on the other hand, needs serious attention.  The manager was very grateful for the list I made on the spot of appropriate libation-offerings, as he knew the wines were not selling well enough, and no one had gone to the trouble of explaining to him that Chardonnay and Sauvignon Blanc may be ok with other cuisines, but...etc. But I must say, he was absolutely gracious, in that inimitable subcontinental way...

I miss y'all.  Say hello.
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Thursday, April 7, 2005, 1:21am; Reply: 62
Yes it oo enjopy seeing our cute yello flags cuz theyre not seen as often anywhere else!
Posted by: Schluggell, Friday, April 8, 2005, 6:48am; Reply: 63
The way I see it is that I was either born two-hundred years too soon, or two-thousand years too late.

I spend everyday striving to get the elevators working, now I have to fight the computer that thinks it can think. We had elevators running automatically for thirty years before the univac...

I've also seen how the computer wrecked every career I've ever tried to pursue. Save time, phooey. now everybody has to continually upgrade their software and their minds. There is no way these modern engineers could ever design some of the things built by craftsmen even forty years ago.

The mind is a muscle, so use it.

Finding out that I'm a B-type nonsecreto actually helped resolve more of my family tree!
Posted by: san j, Friday, April 8, 2005, 8:21pm; Reply: 64
Schluggell: I salute you and LOL when I read your entry. I am SO with you, I don't know where to start.  I know you're a relative newcomer, so I hope you'll read or have read the whole thread.  The welcome mat is always out for you here in B-land.

I think about being B a lot.  Not only, u2dan, is the yellow banner rare on the site, the "personality", and I'm convinced it exists, is rare in the world.  We wander around, shepherding and braving the elements, no matter how modern the setting.

I've long been a student of nomadism, and have read quite a bit of literature about the final century of their whole way of life, as their scouts were equipped with cellphones, and, of course, their camels replaced by pickup trucks, and later, their tents by walk-up apartments. They are me, I them.  I hang on, however; it's all I know how to do.
Posted by: 1490 (Guest), Saturday, April 9, 2005, 10:35am; Reply: 65

Ellie: "Bs rule !!!!"



I wonder how much of us food groups get this group power sense,
but yea Id like to hang out with some Bs,
even thoughs one of my most loved friends is O,
and another is A,
ABO rule!!!

also books are fine,
is my dad then AB?

strange if he was,
I thought he was O,
he used to be angry and so on,

but maybe he had this B gene stress reaction from ALL THE WORK,
oh man did he work and work and work,

but now hes doing less work,
and sees so much more humane,

I bet his damn cortisol levels have gone down,

but damn the B senility,
my alzheimer grandmother,
she likes lots of sour milk so shes doing fine,

but she likes chicken as well,

too bad I cannot get away from the monologue feeling here,

Posted by: Schluggell, Saturday, April 9, 2005, 8:22pm; Reply: 66
There is a fair share of blood-type info out there that conflicts with Dr.D's anthro-archaeology (I mean no disrepect, I have only the highest compliments for his diligent work to present this to the English-speaking world).

Particularly when it comes to B's(probably because thats what I've researched most).

If you actually compare the chemical structure of the different blood-types the assumption of type-O being the oldest does not pan out. In fact, when cells become mutated they tend to evolve into type-O, therefore one can see how he based his assumption on the populations of the old peoples of the earth.

Also, how many other mammals really have type-O? From what I've found they are not O, many B's though and some other types.

Yep, nomadism. Olde Turkish proverb:
Don't tell me what you know, BUT tell me where you have been. (sunny)
Posted by: san j, Saturday, April 9, 2005, 11:18pm; Reply: 67
Ferdiarda:  I love your monologues, because they're not really monologues insofar as we your B family so enjoy them...and you. So keep talking, and we'll keep feeling that warm 'n fuzzy way in response.

(Writing on line is, indeed, weird.)

The B's ancestral Nomadism doesn't imply separateness/solitariness; on the contrary, the nomadic tribes of the earth cohere(d) in a sort of Family-ness without any privacy. For those of us B's who feel to have inherited the insistent freedom-need of those tribes, there can be a twisted sense of aloneness, unless we are surrounded by B's.  Yes, we must wander where the grazing is good and arrive at certain points to trade with others by certain dates/moons, but where we B's are isolated, we must of necessity become, shall we say, hyperindividually poetic.

Keep writing, Ferdiarda the Poet, because you are not alone.
Posted by: Schluggell, Monday, April 11, 2005, 5:37pm; Reply: 68
The Japanese apply blood-type to astrology as well.

A-type Scorpio and Taurus is BAD
B-type Gemini for a mate
O-type Gemini and Leo BEST
O-type Aries and Sagitarrius GOOD
AB-type Libras GOOD

Combine that with Chinese astrology to get the year: '64, '68, '72, '76, '84
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, April 11, 2005, 7:04pm; Reply: 69
What about the years 64. 68. etc ?
I am a Leo- born in 72-  sec - what does it say about me :-)

Loved the tyrkish proverb by the way...
My grandmother seemed to me  in many ways to be a real B- mind you- she lived in a village- she didn´t wander around:
I always had a fondness for my (B) grandmother: she was a very good cook, loved her garden, children, grandchildren etc- She always knew everything about the whole village, but she herself was a bit of a mystery , some called her posh, but I really think it was her B"ness: being part of a community and still being her own personality. BTW she was surounded by a A husbond, 3 AB sons + 1 A son and she died peacefully at a age of almost 93 years old without any serious diseases, she was worn out sure - but pretty healhty- She had had her share of pork and chicken, but I always remember her to eat a lot of cabbage, carrots, and fruit from the garden. Oh I wish to be like her.
I share alot of  things with my B sis- she is a leo as well - my poor mum ;-) but she doesn´t follow the BTD so sometimes I want to shout out :
WHERE IS MY TRIBE ? - I never thought that the internet would be a place to look for fellow b´s.

I don´t particularly want to keep moving places - but I like that I am able to do it- and I like to come home and sit in my garden and stare at the sky, the bees and the floweres not doing anything at all- just thinking.
BTW I daydream a lot- not that my life is bad- but I just love to imagin things- stories.- Oh my O mum says come on girl grow up ! :-D
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, April 11, 2005, 7:40pm; Reply: 70
Quoted from Henriette_Bsec
What about the years 64. 68. etc ?
I am a Leo- born in 72-  sec - what does it say about me :-)

I don´t particularly want to keep moving places - but I like that I am able to do it- and I like to come home and sit in my garden and stare at the sky, the bees and the floweres not doing anything at all- just thinking.
BTW I daydream a lot- not that my life is bad- but I just love to imagin things- stories.- Oh my O mum says come on girl grow up ! :-D

What does that say about you? It says you are exactly 11 years younger than me  ;) :)

I also like to sit... and watch... and think... and Be


Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, April 11, 2005, 7:59pm; Reply: 71
Good for me or? ;-)
Any way where have you been Kristin- I miss your blogs- are you sitting too much in the spring sun looking at the "B"ees ? :-D
Posted by: Schluggell, Monday, April 11, 2005, 8:44pm; Reply: 72
OOOH I miss the wonderful little country of Denmark!!
And a brief sojourn to Christiania...  :B

Back in the days of my backpacking trip around Europe, Denmark was the best!
If I could only get good Japanese food, and play a good round of Bandy there I'd rest in peace.

If I could translate all that Biogasanlæg info, maybe I could find my niche.
Posted by: san j, Monday, April 11, 2005, 9:15pm; Reply: 73
Henriette Bsec:  Lucky you to have had a B sis! Other B's here: Do you know your siblings' blood types? Were any of them B's too, or were you a "singleton"?
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, April 12, 2005, 8:39pm; Reply: 74
Quoted from Schluggell
OOOH I miss the wonderful little country of Denmark!!
And a brief sojourn to Christiania...  :B

Back in the days of my backpacking trip around Europe, Denmark was the best!
If I could only get good Japanese food, and play a good round of Bandy there I'd rest in peace.

If I could translate all that Biogasanlæg info, maybe I could find my niche.

I am sorry to say that Denmark isn´t that wonderfull any more- got a horrible government that just want kick all foreigners out, get Christiania normalized(?)-and let all the conventionel (PIG) -farmers pollute the rest of our nature(haven´t got much left) :-(
Posted by: Schluggell, Thursday, April 14, 2005, 4:26am; Reply: 75
From one B to another...

What place is really good anymore? If its not the government/multinationals its the military or the lack of clean water/air....

Denmark is still doing Biogasanlæg? No?

I remember hearing something about your government changeover, but US news has been 'US stageshow'.

Trying to remember the smells of Vanilla...there is the Mexican(the common variety native to there with that subtle note)...Tahitian with its exotic spiciness for fruit purees...Bourbon from Madagascar where its among the lemon groves and is pollinated by a lemon thorn...One day go to the islands of SE asia & Indian Ocean where the forests are Clove & Cinnamon trees dripping with Vanilla orchids kicking my toes along the beach eating a REAL 'African Sea Coconut'. I can almost feel the trade wind at my shoulder and lol theres the subtle beat of a drum and the playing of an ukelele around the bend.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, April 14, 2005, 12:31pm; Reply: 76
Yeah you are right- we changed from a middle/ labour government (with a support of the left wing) to a conservative/liberalist supported by the far right winged (racist) party- It didn´t change to anything good.....
I think the biogasanlæg is more or less running out in the sand... this government believes more in getting tax in on every thing than to make good enviremental changes. it means that they want tax on biogas(manure), on canolaoil( some people use it as fuil) it doesn´t  even pollute :-( !
Posted by: Ellie, Thursday, April 14, 2005, 7:57pm; Reply: 77
[quote=Henriette_Bsec]What about the years 64. 68. etc ?
I am a Leo- born in 72-  sec - what does it say about me :-)

Me too Henriette - born Aug 1972!!  ;D

Glad this thread back again - miss you all although half my family are Bs and I have a new friend who's a B and into weird stuff too  :D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, April 14, 2005, 9:23pm; Reply: 78
Wow Ellie!! What can I say a B- born Aug 1972 - you must be a star sister :-D- Some weird astro-woman said that B and Leos fitted well :-)
But I still need to find out what was good/bad with the years 64 , 68 etc as Schlüggell(?) wrote about
Posted by: 751 (Guest), Friday, April 15, 2005, 2:25pm; Reply: 79
Wow, I'm a B (August 74) you can be my big sisters.
Posted by: Kristin, Friday, April 15, 2005, 2:36pm; Reply: 80
Quoted from Henriette_Bsec
Good for me or? ;-)
Any way where have you been Kristin- I miss your blogs- are you sitting too much in the spring sun looking at the "B"ees ? :-D

Hi Henriette, and that is so sweet of you!!

I miss my blogs too   ;D and I am working on squeezing more time in for writing.  :) And I do love that spring sun...

jj ~ WooHoo!!! another B Leo!! Welcome to the Pride!

Any more out there??

Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Friday, April 15, 2005, 6:08pm; Reply: 81
Another B leo here! Born July 25, 1960 in the morning.
Posted by: 658 (Guest), Friday, April 15, 2005, 6:12pm; Reply: 82
oh my no ... B- born July , 2nd 1981!  cancer..anyone else?  Actually contestt...ive only met one other person in my life with the same bday as me....who will compete to be the second person!?
Posted by: Schluggell, Friday, April 15, 2005, 9:55pm; Reply: 83
My apologies all, completely spaced the obvious-I'm such a Bee sometimes.

The years posted are for someone born in 1969(Whos that?). I included the full-cycle so just add/subtract your birth year from that year and apply to all the others. {The cycle is 12 years in rotation.}

I was going to post the site that had theChinese/Japanese info in English, however its no longer to be found. If you care to wade through all the Chinese and Japanese let me know.  8)

To go absolutely GONZO, one day I'll compile an Ayur-Vedic (Jyotish) chart for B's as well...   ;D

On my 35th birthday I finally met someone with my same birthday after all these years. He just turned 21, and was so :B that he wouldn't let me buy him a drink. Still can't tell if that was a bad or good omen - Anyone have an opinion?

NOTE: The Russian states of Chuvashia and the ONLY buddhist state in Europe, Kalmykia, BOTH have high population percentages of the B-Type blood.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Saturday, April 16, 2005, 10:19am; Reply: 84
I can´t believe it !!: my sister is a B born in 74, and in August ( JJ) :-D
Posted by: goredsox, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 6:50pm; Reply: 85
Hi my fellow Bs!

Here's a type B ARIES (b April 10 1981).  (smarty) Anyone else? Now what do the japanese think of that?  

Posted by: Ellie, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 7:17pm; Reply: 86
Hello rapidler!

I'm reeling with all the fellow Lions around - bit too many if you ask me ..don't we Bs like to be different?

Henriette, my bday is Aug 2nd - what about you?
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, June 15, 2005, 2:06pm; Reply: 87
Ellie - nice to see you again- mine is August 15 th :-)- my sis (B) is the 19 th. and my sweet daughter is 21 th.- my poor mother says no sex in november :-D
Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, June 15, 2005, 6:44pm; Reply: 88
Oh My...

TOO funny, Henriette!!! Your mother is a hoot!

:D ;D :D ;D
Posted by: lroff (Guest), Thursday, June 16, 2005, 5:58am; Reply: 89
Don't have TV, newspapers or magazines (other than genealogy ones), listen to radio and surf Internet for my news.

Sagittarius - under the Chinese calendar - a Tiger.

Enjoy aformentioned genealogy, history, travel (local, provincial, national, international), natural world, birding, digital photography, Internet world of chats and groups like this one.

Spirituality beliefs on the broad side; politics on the fiscal conservative; social moderate.

Independent and often the square peg in the round hole.

Enjoy cooking; broad food interests, always interested in a new recipe.

Enjoying this thread and BTD lifestyle
Posted by: 758 (Guest), Thursday, June 16, 2005, 2:35pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from u2dan
oh my no ... B- born July , 2nd 1981!  cancer..anyone else?  Actually contestt...ive only met one other person in my life with the same bday as me....who will compete to be the second person!?

Hi, time to be active on the forums again!
I'm also Cancer, u2, born July 4th, 1972. So old I am :)

All right, here is another B, enjoying history, spiritual experiences, reading, listening to music,  being in the nature and  willing to play a musical instrument when the kids grow up...


Posted by: Ellie, Friday, June 17, 2005, 12:51am; Reply: 91
Hi Henriette - my sisters are spread around! One's aquarius and one's gemini. And now I have August all to myself! Although my uncle is a July Leo...(don't know his BT tho although he's slowly being drawn into the weird world I live in).

Iroff - My ascendant is in Sagittarius (there's a lot of fire in me, I just hide it well!!) and genealogy is my main hobby at moment, seeing as i can do a lot sitting in my chair, although have been round a couple of graveyards - see, I do know how to have fun!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, June 17, 2005, 1:44pm; Reply: 92
Quoted from lroff

Independent and often the square peg in the round hole.

Enjoy cooking; broad food interests, always interested in a new recipe.

Enjoying this thread and BTD lifestyle

Love it - me too :-D
Betul - 1972 is really a great year!

I love history - got a B.A in Modern history and a B.A in archeology- soon I´ll start a short course (2 years) to qualify as a teacher ( main subjects: Danish and Geography) -looking foreward to it - want to learn new stuff always!
Ellie- I forgot is your sisters B´s ??? How are you ? - I love graveyards- I always check them out when I go new places- It really tells a story about the people living in the area.

Posted by: Ellie, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 12:03am; Reply: 93
Hi Henriette - Absolutely - 1972 is a superior year - look at the quality! We were almost separated at birth!

One of my sisters is definitely a B (and is sort of following the diet - except she lent her book out and I don't know if she got it back..). She's my middle sis. My baby sis - well, tried doing the home typing but results not clear so still not sure - as she's a vegetarian B would be better than O... The first kit we tried it looked more like she was O. the second one looked like B/O. .. Don't know what my dad is. My mum and her mum were Bs, her father was O. My B grandmother I know had problems with cystitis, true to Dr D, and I have CFS also true to Dr D. My baby sis has hypothyroidism...

So your sis is a B too, how about your daughter? And I love history, even though haven't done any formally since age of 15. But history at school was not the kind of history I find interesting. Too dry.

When do you start your teacher training? Why is Geography not History one of your subjects? Archeology - I guess  you had to do some practical placements for that? Don't know if I would have the patience for that! Please PM if you don't want to put all this on here. And how old is your daughter?
Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, July 23, 2005, 9:16pm; Reply: 94
As we have now transited into Leo in the zodiacal calendar, I want to wish all those marvelous B's whose sun signs are in Leo (myself included  ;)) a most joyous soon-to-be-birthday and a great BTDing year ahead!

:D :D :K) :K) :D :D

I can't stand most personality interpretations of the zodiac but I like this one, and rather appropos for me in my life as well (LOTS of Cancer- the zodiac sign- in my chart). Maybe it fits for you, too

Enjoy... you sunny B's! Now's our time to shine



And for those lovely B's whose birthdays are not in the sign of Leo, a most wondrous birthday for you, too... whenever it is!!... and a life filled with BTDing health and happiness.

:) :)  :K) :K) :K)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, July 23, 2005, 9:48pm; Reply: 95
;D ::) so I'll be ya gran-maaaaa ;D

=Aug. 1957 :P ;)
Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, July 23, 2005, 10:07pm; Reply: 96
Grandma??? I don't think so, Isa... only 4 years older than me  ;D ;D ;D

And welcome to our B birthday club... with your better half, of course  ;D ;)

Posted by: Ellie, Saturday, July 23, 2005, 10:29pm; Reply: 97
Happy Birthdays to us all B Leos - Kristin, Isa, Henriette, me...anybody else? .. and just looked up - belated happy birthday to Betel for 4th July - nearly a month older than me!and u2dan for 2nd...

What is everybody doing for their birthdays? I might go out for a meal on the day, and go to see a play in a Castle the week after (here's hoping doesn't rain!), and the week of my birthday hope to go to our National Eisteddfod - a celebration of the creative arts, really.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Sunday, July 24, 2005, 4:36am; Reply: 98
Thanks Kristin, my birthday is July 25, 1960. Since it is a work day I won't be doing much else. See Isa you are not the only one who remembers "The Age of Aquarius"!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, July 24, 2005, 6:17am; Reply: 99
I feel happy yes soooo happy.... may go into A's and B's half sidy....;) :D  

and of course AB hach so happy! ;) Three options who may have this?? ::)

my sister has the same= leo too- one year older than me= an AB too ;D
our whole family were leos'


for better survival ;)

pst: my lifespanpartner is Leo too= miau again :D
Posted by: Ellie, Sunday, July 24, 2005, 11:16pm; Reply: 100
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, July 25, 2005, 2:34am; Reply: 101
Happy Birthday Gulfcoastguy!!!! Even though you are working, perhaps you'll have time to check in and get your Birthday wishes from your B sisters!!

:K) :K)

Hope you're staying dry down there!!

Ellie... can I come along on your birthday excursions? All my favorite things to do!!!
What play will you be seeing? Ohh... a creative arts festival... sounds heavenly... and such a B thing to do!  :D :D

For my birthday...well, this birthday is something of a big deal for me. I will be 44 this year and I have had 3 women friends die of cancer.. all were 44 years old when they died. So this past year I have been thinking about that quite a bit and what each woman gave to me in their all too brief sojourn on this planet. I knew this birthday would be emotionally charged for me. I thought I would feel mostly sad but the thing that keeps coming to mind is to celebrate... to honor their memory by celebrating life. So I am planning on going river rafting on my birthday. I don't know why river rafting ... perhaps it is symbolic some way of our life's journey... thrills, danger, rocks, still waters... but it just feels right.

Sooo... to make a long story short, I plan on rafting down the river on my birthday... weather pending, of course. ;)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, July 25, 2005, 4:43am; Reply: 102
AND... of course half of mine is greeting and kissing too ;) :D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, July 25, 2005, 10:26am; Reply: 103
Good rafting Kristin!

Happy Birthsday to Gulfcoastguy :-D- You wouldn´t have been a good boy here in Denmark - it is raining like....

Well on my 33 th birthsday( august 15th) I´ll start a whole new life!
Well at least it feels like that:
After 2,5 years of unemployment, my dads disease and death and the great stress all this has been to me( like following his disease, tidying up his house, getting a mortgage to (his old house) my "new" house
- I have been accepted to go to teachers college. This is really my moment ! I have been to univercity before actually almost 6 years - but it was never a great sucess I somehow never fitted in - and I was busy being a single mum. I Always felt I was only doing it to keep my family happy- so I was a bad student and at the same time I felt I was a bad mother......Well it turned out that I was actually a bad woman!- not taking care of myself and my needs at all...
Now my daughter turns 11- and is busy with her almost teen life- I suddenly feel it is my turn to do something I would like . So I start college on my birthsday ;-)

BTW-Yesterday I saw something about a lot of change for all Leos from AUGUST/SEPTEMBER - I really couldn´t help smiling :-D- I knew another new beginning was around the corner.
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, July 25, 2005, 11:53am; Reply: 104
Hey Henriette ~

That's great news!!! Congratulations!

And I'll be thinking about you on the 15th... for more than one reason.  :)

Yes... new beginnings... love it!

Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 2:22am; Reply: 105
My birthday was pretty good. I had to work indoors today, something to appreciate when the temperature was 97 F with high humidity. I sold my  old beater of a Mercury and am enjoying the new Toyota(it has a gauge that tells you what the outside temperature is). When I scanned my passcard at the gym the computer told me happy birthday and they were having a party, of course the food was non BTD friendly.And while cooking dinner the salmon patties came out perfectly. I could post the recipie but I kind of wing it and I use fresh tarragon from my garden. Lets hear the next Leo B roar!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 7:28am; Reply: 106
And ;D yes.... gc-guy- yes I do remember *the group Hair* times of Aquarius... hi-hi-hiiii
a neverending story.... ;D super-big-grin..... ;D ;)

ooh gal now ya one year older... how does it feel ;)  ??)  :D
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 10:57am; Reply: 107
So good to read about the New Starts of people!!! ;D ;D
BTD has a lifechanging effect all the way...
Kristin, Henrientte whether you turn 44, 33 or more than 50 ( ;) ) as I do next december, age is no item anymore when on the BTD. And that is my solid conviction...

Once on the BTD my life started changing and still is changing for the better.
Next October I will be 6 years on the BTD!!  ;D ;D

A healthy body and a clear mind!!! I am convinced I will 'rock-around-the clock'  for many more years!! Thanks to this awesome Doc and his Diet!!  ;D ;D

Everybody CONGRATULATIONS for 'finding'  this New Way of Life!!

take care and stay tuned..

Cocky 8) spending an awesome holiday in Canada right now :o

Posted by: Ellie, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 10:16pm; Reply: 108
Kristin - white water rafting sounds fabulous. I am lucky not to have had to lose any friends but  I can understand it makes you reflect on life etc. Hope you have a wonderful time! you'll have to let us all know what it was like.

Henriette, funny how termtimes are so different in different countries! So glad you feel you're doing something for you now.

My big changes I hope will be happening  but not immediately - operation  in October/November (diagnostic laparascopy) and a house move - but will probably be next year...

Cocky - hope you're having a wonderful holiday!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 11:22pm; Reply: 109
keep us informed.....
good luck and a prompt recovery from your laparoscopy! )
Posted by: Ellie, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 12:04am; Reply: 110
Thank you Iola, it will be my first ever operation,..

Still, it's birthday season first!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 8:56am; Reply: 111
Ellie good to see you back- will email you later :-)

Corky -to be honest I don´t think I would have ever considered going back to school without BTD- why?- because the change in my diet - made it possible for me to change the way I looked at life and on myself.
Heidi once wrote in one of her colums:
"The beliefs which have led you
to where you are today,
are not the same as those
which will lead you to where you wish to go"

I have been looking at these lines for a very loooooong time and yesteday I really understood the lines :-D
Posted by: Ellie, Wednesday, July 27, 2005, 11:05pm; Reply: 112
Look forward to your email Henriette. ;)

You've made me look at those words of Heidi's again - how inspiring! And I agree with you about the diet - without it, I would be no better than I was healthwise 2 or 5 or 10 years ago, it is so empowering to feel like there are answers if you keep looking - and yet it does go so much deeper than just physical health - and as Dr D has already told us, our food choices affects our mental well-being as well. Eat right and you feel right on so many levels.

I think there's also something about the commitment you have to make to this diet - which means you have to be prepared to stand up for yourself which is a way of loving yourself, putting yourself first, - and I have to admit I am becoming much more like that - eg instead of hoping there's going to be no garlic in something, to ask first - or to ask if a dish can be prepared without it. (garlic affects my hormones, even the smallest amount affects me). That may be partly overcoming my polite British upbringing - can't make a fuss you know!

It's all those big changes for us Leos - the world better watch out! ;D

Posted by: zola, Thursday, September 8, 2005, 3:51am; Reply: 113
This is re: post on page 3 - I think B's may have better smellers. My mom and husband are both B+ and they (especially he) has a very sensitive schnozolla. It may be a theme. Can we do a census?
Posted by: san j, Thursday, September 8, 2005, 10:15pm; Reply: 114
I'm right there with ya, zola.
Glad to bring the thread back on topic, anytime. Post the survey: It should be very interesting!
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 5:41am; Reply: 115

Not liking to be rushed, as a B trait?

I think the nomadic B's prove to be the most resistant to the technologic changes of civilisations.  They hold on to the "old ways" longest, tend most to be "luddites", are still telling time by moon, stars, planets, and milking their own flock, etc.

In that sense I totally agree with you. I finally got around to using the internet, for example, in 2003, and we on the B threads have discussed this trait in the past. We can again, of course.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 7:10am; Reply: 116
Quoted from exj_j

Not liking to be rushed, as a B trait?

I think the nomadic B's prove to be the most resistant to the technologic changes of civilisations.  They hold on to the "old ways" longest, tend most to be "luddites", are still telling time by moon, stars, planets, and milking their own flock, etc.

Me too  This is a B story :-D

Yesterday evening I was sitting outdoor with my daughter in front of a fire.
It was a compleetely spontanous thing:
We came home - I wanted to clean up the grass before cutting it and there was so much old wood all over- so I started a fire- went in to make dinner and after dinner we sat from 19- 21 infront of the fire- talking, reading aloud- frying cheese and ( completly avoid btd sausages ;-) ) It was a warm september evening( Sorry guys but all the hurricanes makes weather really fantastic here !) and it gets dark around 19- 19.30 here.
So here I was thinking about my nomadic past(?) it felt so right to sit infront of this fire with the blue sky and stars above me. And I thought waw I wish I was still a normadic sheaperd or something. It really was a schoolnight but I didn´t care - WE needed that moment - I didnt miss the telly or the radio and it was just so quiert- only the cows Muhing in the distant.
My daughter said this morning that she thought I was a pretty cool mum- NONE of her friends mums would ever be so spontanious and forget all about telly, dishers, homeworks etc.
AND I felt good when I went to bed with the smoke in my hair and a clear mind after gazing into the fire.
Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 2:53pm; Reply: 117
Lovely B story, Henriette. I love bonfires in the evening, too... could sit and watch the flames dance for hours...

Your story reminds me of when I was a young girl, I would spend part of my summer with my grandparents at their summer home - a trailer on a lake. Every evening we would build a fire outside and listen to the loons calling and watch the northern lights across the sky...

One particular summer, I remember my grandmother taking the television outside. I thought this was a little strange, watching TV outside by the bonfire.... but cool, too. We watched the Apollo 11 mission and Neil Armstrong's historic "giant leap for mankind" while sitting by the fire, gazing up at the night sky... and the moon...

Thanks for sharing   :K)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 3:45pm; Reply: 118
Quoted from Kristin
Lovely B story, Henriette. I love bonfires in the evening, too... could sit and watch the flames dance for hours...

Your story reminds me of when I was a young girl, I would spend part of my summer with my grandparents at their summer home - a trailer on a lake. Every evening we would build a fire outside and listen to the loons calling and watch the northern lights across the sky...

One particular summer, I remember my grandmother taking the television outside. I thought this was a little strange, watching TV outside by the bonfire.... but cool, too. We watched the Apollo 11 mission and Neil Armstrong's historic "giant leap for mankind" while sitting by the fire, gazing up at the night sky... and the moon...

Thanks for sharing   :K)

Wow it makes me realise that I am too young ;-)
But the old harvest moon was beutiful.
Posted by: Ellie, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 7:47pm; Reply: 119
Hi Henriette   :K)
That's beautiful!  :)And we Bs need that spontaneity don't we?  ;D...I'm looking forward to moving and being able to sit outside at night too (not sure if fires are allowed tho) - I love the night air - sometimes I go across the road at night - where there's a bench - so peaceful...

As for weight loss  - don't ask me!  :'( My weight can fluctuate....

I don't think I would like to live in a city again - all that air of people rushing around and crowds is too stressful..I need space!  ;D
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 8:13pm; Reply: 120

Thank you from the bottom of my B-ness for that story.  I covet these stories.
When I started the "B and Individuality" thread in February/March, I was longing for such stories...

I have a huge library, and in it there is a sizable section on "Pastoral Nomadism"...this dates way back before I'd heard of, or Dr. D. had published, ER4YT.  And last night, I decided to finish a book that had had a bookmark in place for a few years... Desert Places by Robyn Davidson.  She's an Australian who, years after crossing the Australian outback with her dog and 3 camels, went to India, where she spent a year migrating with the Rabari in Rajasthan: Camel-herders, of course, hanging onto the Old Ways by a thread...

(How much should we bet that Ms. Davidson is B?)

And I was so inspired.  And now this lovely story from Henriette.

I was never happier than when I lived in the hills and used to commune with all the deer and their families, who'd hang out right next to my house, where they knew they'd find refuge during hunting season.

Anyone know where to buy camel milk?  There's a Somali tribe that eats virtually nothing but. Camel Yogurt? Camel cheese?  These were the backbone of the Bedouin diet... till they switched to a goat-sheep economy, and then, to potato chips and coke.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 8:58pm; Reply: 121
Quoted from exj_j
... used to commune with all the deer and their families, who'd hang out right next to my house, where they knew they'd find refuge during hunting season.

But venison is a type B beneficial   ;)

Just kidding.  I'm not a hunter either even though I am type O.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 10:20pm; Reply: 122

I m sure camels are given away in arabia!!!

all you need to do is go pick one up!! )

it s 'beneson' that s for Bs, right? )
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 11:39pm; Reply: 123
Interestingly, many of the pastoral nomads didn't resort to "hunting" of large animals unless they were deprived of their more usual dairy and small-game (rabbits, maybe pheasants, depending on location) fare.  So I find it interesting that the B type diet includes rabbits and goats and lamb/sheep, all very normal foods for shepherds, and that venison is also a beneficial for those..."dry" spells.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, September 22, 2005, 8:54am; Reply: 124
Exj-j Just a comment about books etc
When I was a teen a favorite book was The Horse Goddess by Morgan Llewellyn.
about the celtic girl Epona who runs away from her home in middle europe ( Austria) to the east to live with the scytians she brings the horses back to the celts. Lovely book- I could just imagine moving around on the big grass fields with horse, goats and sheep etc. Take beto mongolia ( But maybe not in the winter)
Posted by: san j, Thursday, September 22, 2005, 7:56pm; Reply: 125
Ah, Mongolia.  Horses. Yurts.
Henriette:  Take a look at Robyn Davidson's book, Tracks.  It tells of her crossing the Australian outback with her camels.
Better is the coffee-table version: A huge book with magnificent pictures, truly magnificent pictures, called From Alice To Ocean.  Probably a globally B-type fantasy.

lola:  Actually, the Saudis are importing dromedaries from Australia now.  This has been going on during the last couple of decades.  Originally, Australia imported them from Saudi Arabia, ultimately becoming tops as breeders, while the Saudi Bedouin population is now well-used to pickup trucks, with a minor/part-time herding population dealing in sheep/goats...

If you're looking for a good deal on dromedaries and can afford to take them on by the hundred, look to Australian breeders, last I checked.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, September 22, 2005, 10:49pm; Reply: 126
let s open a cheese factory then!!! lol

we can also package milk,whey powder protein and colostrum......
how does that sound?
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, September 23, 2005, 9:57am; Reply: 127
I will exe-j !

Really what is it about B´s and identity ???
My mum (O)asked me :
Why do you and your sister (another B) always daydream about the past- read books about fantasy, celts, normads. history... you name it?)

I was thinking- this is 2nd thread about B´s and the spiritual aspect
-are we just more daydreamers than the rest ( a, ab and O) or???
Posted by: ion, Friday, September 23, 2005, 11:06am; Reply: 128
Quoted from lola
let s open a cheese factory then!!! lol

we can also package milk,whey powder protein and colostrum......
how does that sound?

Sounds very interesting.
Don’t know who is going to do the milking. They are pretty vicious animals and spit and bite.
They walk like models though. ;D

Posted by: ion, Friday, September 23, 2005, 11:34am; Reply: 129
An other nomad

I love fires at night too.
Few years ago went to a little island south Greece.
Under the island of Crete.
After that Libyan sea and Africa.
No electricity, no houses, by two, no civilization.
No even earth. Only sand white sand and cedar trees.
My plan was to stay a week ten days.
Stayed there about a month.
The evenings cook my food in a fire made from the broken cedar branches.
What a smell!!!
My tent was surrounding by them and was feeling very much at home.
One evening while taking care of the fire  felt so much like been indoor,
security point of view, and turn my head up to check if it was a roof above my head.
O!!! Dear!!!! What a roof!!!!
The endless sky with millions of stars.
It was a unique feeling of comfort and content.
I realized I was days and nights outdoors and always thought I was at home.
I lay down on the sand next to the fire staring the sky and felt Free, relax, and didn’t want to leave this place.
It must be my B nomadic nature that made me fell so much like Home
Posted by: yaman, Friday, September 23, 2005, 11:48am; Reply: 130

So next target will be a B-gathering in Crete, 2007 :D

Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Friday, September 23, 2005, 8:45pm; Reply: 131
Well, my contribution is going to be so different from other Bs who have contributed to this site such that you will probably want to kick me off. ;D

I, too, don't like to be rushed but I don't want to live a solitary life by any means or live in the desert as a nomad.  I love people and on the weekends desire to make at least a couple of trips downtown so I can relish mingling with others, say at the bookstore or something.  Just a warm, cozy feeling for me.  I do like my solitary times when I read, though, or think.  I'm always thinking, thinking.

I don't care for bonfires or campfires at all, can you believe!  ::) :B 8)

Someone mentioned looking at the moon, stars, etc., and I remember the time my son who was about 10 and I set our alarm clocks for 2 o'clock a.m. so we could go outside, lie on the grass and watch an eclipse.  I always had time for such things as that, plus I love taking time for coffee or tea with friends.

And, I'm not into arts and crafts and I don't daydream as I'm more into the present and trying to live life to its fullest.

So, I thought I would give another B perspective and hope nobody kicks me off this thread as it was fun to read anyway.   :K) 8)
Posted by: san j, Friday, September 23, 2005, 9:05pm; Reply: 132
New Hampshire Girl:

This is a B thread.  B's cannot be "kicked off".  B's do not kick off.  We're open-minded. "B and Individuality" is for real.

But interesting that you have that "instinct" for not-belonging, readiness to be dissed for what you're saying, rather, who you are.

Far from the subcontinent, we are a small minority.  But back home, back in the Kush, we call the shots.

India is the only country I've read of with a B majority.  While here in the USA, The order of prevalence is: O, A, B, AB (with O and A neck-and-neck) amongst the white population, and B ahead of A amongst blacks, in India it's: B, O, A, AB, with the AB's at about 10%. I'm assuming the Pakistani situation to be similar, and that the countries around there (W and NW China, Afghanistan, S. Central Russia and Mongolia, Nepal and the SE Asian peninsula) to be skewed toward similarity to India, but I don't have any figures for them.

I see alot about the Indian B majority (about 40-42% of the population) and the large proportion of Chinese who are B, and I wonder:  China's population is over a billion, and India's is around 800 million last I checked.  When you crunch the numbers it doesn't make sense that B blood type is represented amongst only 9-11% of the world's population.  I actually sat up with a calculator one night, figuring, based on various population numbers.  In Russia, B's represent 16-17%, etc.

Anyone else ever pursued this line?
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Friday, September 23, 2005, 10:37pm; Reply: 133
Dear exj_j I see that you are a thinker and researcher also.  Yay!  :)  I feel a kinship.  8)
Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 12:10am; Reply: 134
Quoted from exj_j

But interesting that you have that "instinct" for not-belonging, readiness to be dissed for what you're saying, rather, who you are.

Oh Wow... that is so me. I always feel that I am misunderstood.

Or just assume that I will be... so, like, why bother trying...

Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 12:16am; Reply: 135
New Hampshire Girl ~

No "kicking offs" are gonna be happening.  ;D

And thank you so much for your contributions of your individuality!

:K) :K)
Posted by: Ellie, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 1:22am; Reply: 136
New Hampshire Girl  :)- Dr D says that Bs are natural networkers (heck, if you're out in the desert need to make friends! ;D) - I too need to socialise etc but need time alone to "be", to think etc..... And I wouldn't actually like to live in a desert myself! ...But it's the times out - wow, you got up in the middle of the night to watch an eclipse- fantastic! :D- that help to create a mental & emotional balance IMO.

Yaman - we're still trying to get to Samos in 2006 first!!  ;D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 7:34am; Reply: 137
No not a dessert really for me either- but I love to wath over fields-mountains- any thing with a view!

I would say I am a strong INDIVIDUAL that likes to be part of a group - but sometimes I want to be one my own -thinking things!
But I was really more thinking about being part of nature- noticing things: seasons, the sky, weather etc.
The rest of my family NEVER really think about things like that:
"Well sure if it is hot _ well garden needs water or rainy -they need to bring a raincoat".
BUT I look at the sky every day, I look at the leaves turning red- and in the spring I go for a morning walk in my garden and watch all the flowerbulbs getting higher and higher and it makes ME high seeing that spring is really here.
I think it is the cyclus thing again.

Yesterday when I rode my bike home late- it was pitch dark here (no trafic lights no nothing- just the fields, the road and me. The sky was sooo dark and clear and suddenly the moon appeared. Dark orange like a mandarine boat! I had to stop and watch.

Quote from New Hamshire Girl:
Someone mentioned looking at the moon, stars, etc., and I remember the time my son who was about 10 and I set our alarm clocks for 2 o'clock a.m. so we could go outside, lie on the grass and watch an eclipse.  I always had time for such things as that, plus I love taking time for coffee or tea with friends.

And, I'm not into arts and crafts and I don't daydream as I'm more into the present and trying to live life to its fullest.

So, I thought I would give another B perspective and hope nobody kicks me off this thread as it was fun to read anyway.    

Well I would still say you are a perfect B :-D
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Saturday, September 24, 2005, 2:02pm; Reply: 138
Henriette, Kristin, Ellie, exj_j............. hey, I'm feeling very warm and fuzzy right now reading your messages.  Maybe I won't have to mingle downtown at the local coffee shop to get my fix this morning, I feel very "fixed" right now!!  ;D

I just love this message board and everyone on it.  :K) 8)
Posted by: san j, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 12:43am; Reply: 139
Ditto all the way.  

I've always felt it's particularly important for us B's to have our "Individuality" thread. Life is very, very tough on us, and we're often isolated from B community.  I'm only sorry "B & Individuality" the First got lost? (Irrevocably?) It was a very long, very warm and very fuzzy thread.  It's really important to keep the spirit alive.

We're wandering in the desert.  The world wants our little ragtag clan to "settle down and make an honest living" like the people with TV antennae and rooves and trucks.

I was the only B in the family, too, so I particularly dig when we B's start to communicate about all this stuff.  Keep it coming!!

How're all the B "dieters" doing?  NH girl, I'm still thinking about your offer of a cooking job in Autumnal New England.  It's just a fantasy, don't worry.

Where in NH are you, anyway?

As for me, I'm "plateauing", weightwise, at the moment.  But I'm not worrying about it.  I'm still "ahead" at 6-7 lbs down since Labor Day.  And that was without "trying".
Just picked up a book:  Indian Grocery Store Demystified.  So now when I go in there I won't be completely baffled.  And I can read up in advance and go in there looking for the specifically Beneficial B stuff the Indians have spent 5000 years perfecting, perfuming, enjoying.
Posted by: ion, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 1:15am; Reply: 140
Going to India?
lucky you Exj j.
You are going to meet many Bs as you've mention earlier.
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 2:13am; Reply: 141

The original B and Individuality thread is not lost... it is a sticky in the Live Right Forum. I just decided to make a second thread since the first one is quite long. Here's the link:,m=1110066247

I can merge the 2 together if you like...

Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 4:31am; Reply: 142
great solution Kristin, thanks!
Posted by: san j, Sunday, September 25, 2005, 10:58pm; Reply: 143
Wow.  The Indian Grocery Store Demystified (book) is an adventure.  Armchair travel category, twice-removed!  Because you're sitting in your armchair and you're reading about foods that are in groceries, and you're imagining going down the aisles and looking at and smelling these items, and then you're imagining eating them, and thus being transported to other places and, perhaps, times.

Dr. D. was sure right-on about the B visualization gift...but I'd extrapolate from that, because we (or at least I) also have the olfactualization and the gustatorialization gifts!  

(Have you ever read a cookbook and forgotten to make/eat dinner as a result? Been there, done that!)

Oh, and Kristin: Thank you so much for your good deed on behalf of isolated B's everywhere!  My vote is: Aye, in favor of the Merger of the 2 threads:  Go B's!

The upshot, though, B buddies, is:  Get yourselves this book, if you want to explore the closest thing to a Made-For-B's grocery store you'll ever find. And there are stories in there too about many of the (benef.) ingredients and dishes made with them. Whatta treat!

ION:  Sorry: I wasn't referring to going to India.  I was referring to going to my Indian Grocery Store, for which some demystification was definitely in order.  I got the feeling I didn't know what most of the items were, and I didn't want to keep bothering the owner... So now I know what I'm looking at.  It's a nice little paperback, easy to bring along.
Posted by: Ellie, Monday, September 26, 2005, 12:13am; Reply: 144
Ironically, if I'd known all this food stuff when I was in the city I probably could have found a lot of the ingredients - ghee etc, because of the high number of Asians - my friends and I used to go fairly regularly for a "balti"/curry...

Any titbits you want to share from your learning exj please do.

NH girl and all, I love all you Bs too - and I don't think it's coincidence the best friend I've made in this town turned out to be a B too - so we can talk BTD and other weird stuff together!
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, September 26, 2005, 1:01am; Reply: 145
Hey, exj_j, I'm not worried at all.  It would be excellent with me if you came to cook for us.  I would be in seventh heaven!   I live in southern NH more to the west, about 30 minutes from the Massachusetts border and 45 minutes from Vermont.  

I'm taking your advice and sticking to whole milk and whole milk plain yogurt.  I was a little unsure of this at first until I saw your message on another thread which I replied to, as you know.   I have gone down in weight, also.

Ellie, you're right about networking.  I am a natural networker, just never thought about it before as a trait.

Gotta go see "Rome" on HBO now, it's time!!   8)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, September 26, 2005, 8:03am; Reply: 146
Yes lots of indian food is the best ,-D
Cookbooks- I read lots of cookbooks however I rarely folllow the recipe I just get inspired!

Spend the weekend doing hard physically work with my O family:
'We moved and split wood all weekend. I felt good to do something with a goal:
To keep both families warm during a winter- with theese crazy oil prices.
I am not a great exerciser but to do thing with a goal is fine. Like digging the garden, riding my bike to school or going for along walk with my mums dogs( I need to get a dog!)

Went out to dine last night to tired to cook: had the largest steak (7 oz)I could get withy broccoli apple and sourcream  Yum. Really good.
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, September 26, 2005, 5:29pm; Reply: 147
Merger completed

Posted by: san j, Monday, September 26, 2005, 9:07pm; Reply: 148
Kristin: Way to go! I'm very jazzed about the super-long thread!

And NH girl:  Fantastic that you've lost weight simply by changing from low-fat to whole milk dairy.  I'm a little ambivalent, however, about your considering the move as "taking my advice".  This is definitely a decision each of us has to make for ourselves.  But I've certainly been RAVING about what it's done for me, on a number of levels.

Incidentally, my own weight-loss "plateau" seems to have stepped aside, and I'm back in the losing saddle.  I haven't changed anything.  

I've been using cream quite a bit.  I really like it.
Interesting note:  Atkins prefers cream-and-water over milk, in his quest for minimal carbs.  Again, whole milk is considered a carb rather than a protein, because its protein to carb ratio is 2:3.  But cream doesn't have those carbs, so you're better off, from HIS standpoint, diluting cream with water.

If anyone's interested, I've found an ambrosial dilution of cream... it's simply heavenly, I warn you...

OK here it is:  Pour about a shotglass full of heavy whipping cream into a glass.  Then pour an equal amount of cooled (room temp) spiced tea into that glass...
This is basically Indian Chai, but using heavy cream.  I happened upon this using Stash brand's "Licorice Spice" tea ... (moment of silence)... and have had great success with it using Yogi Tea's Ginger tea and Detox tea.  I find this particularly soothing and wonderful around bedtime...

Reading over a few of the early entries on this thread, I'm reminded that I haven't yet shared the News with you:  I've been TV-free for over 3 months now! Completely! Of course, that means I've missed "coverage" of all sorts of things: I've never seen anything from the London Underground bombings or from Hurricane Katrina, or from whatever else is happening...

In 1986 I gave my only TV (a 13" b/w solid state with a hand-crank channel changer dial) to a friend, and was TV free for 11 years, until a neighbor unloaded hers on me.  So I've had this little 13" color Zenith without cable hookup (i.e., no reception, beyond one network at a time, and all between 2 and 13), since then.  It konked out in mid-June of this year, and I haven't bothered to buy another one.  And I'm really, really glad!  I'm getting ALOT accomplished.  It's amazing how just a little viewing every day does weird things to motivation and energy/metabolism...

Love you B's.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, September 26, 2005, 11:22pm; Reply: 149
But.........I bought a TV with a very large screen because I love old movies.  I'm just crazy about old movies!!!  Maybe I'm just crazy?   ;D ;D 8)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 9:23am; Reply: 150
As you guys know I am doing a combo of ATKINS and BTD - and yes cream is really addictive.
Normally I would buy a 9 % sour cream or if party 18 % sour cream- lately I have had quite a lot of 38 % - how wonderfull. The only sad thing is that they only make organic 9 and 18 % !
Tomorrow I´ll tell you how my weight lost is going but I do think I am still losing weight!.

TV I really try to keep it at a minimum- but it is hard.
My kid is allowed max 1 hours television in the afternoon however I find myself sometimes all evening in front- BAD excemple for her!!!!!
Posted by: 758 (Guest), Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 10:46am; Reply: 151
Quoted from yaman

So next target will be a B-gathering in Crete, 2007 :D


I'll be there, dearlee   :D

2007 will be my year.  :D

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 11:13am; Reply: 152
::) oups Betule ;) you must then do a choice between USA and Greece :D
we fixed the next *big meeting* in USA=same place but about the 20 of April.....2007
in Tempé in the *Butes* yup

I don't know if we were able to pay twice a luxirious vaccations.... ::)
thatsway we voted for an European meeting as an intermediary for Samos :D

oooooo dearle..... please get your fearies over and let ya see there...06 in...on...with BTD-compatible ??) conference ;D ;)

all the highnesses and roaylties and princess of prince  and...and..and.. will give their
standing ovation to our beloved maischdddaaaa  ;) :D :X  :o
Posted by: 758 (Guest), Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 11:28am; Reply: 153
Isa, sorry, I didn't know about the big 2007-meeting in the USA!

Let's see, what days will bring out :)

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 11:34am; Reply: 154
aaaaaaaaaannndddd  Betule ;) don't worry Samos should be only a fine meeting for BTD-ler from whole Europe and other parts everytime welcome :K)
and no conference at all= just a private meeting for us the *enlightned* one ;D  ;)

Posted by: 758 (Guest), Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 11:54am; Reply: 155
You enlightened BTDers !

I love you all  ;)

Posted by: san j, Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 8:43pm; Reply: 156
Go Henriettebsec! Congratulations on continued weight loss.  Isn't this great?  That feeling of satisfaction...

Last night I had leftovers, and I left over, once again, HALF my portion! I can really see myself taking smaller portions, as a result of satiation with higher fat.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, September 28, 2005, 7:14am; Reply: 157
Yes it is strange how you suddenly eat less isn´t it!
Posted by: san j, Thursday, September 29, 2005, 8:13pm; Reply: 158
Fellow B's.

You all are accustomed to my way of being, writing, to-some-extent thinking, whatever.  I'm pretty quick with various solutions and modalities for everyone else...

Right now I'm, how can I put it, being dealt with by my Maker.  I'm traversing a very, very hard time, and I'll put this request to those of you, and those of other types, too, if someone wants to put it out there:  Pray for me.  It's pretty "bad".
It's a crucial and desperate time.

Yes, I have faith.  Yes, faith is tested at such times, and, in fact strengthened.

Knowing me as you have, surely you can see that my stepping out of professional and funny character is a serious move indeed on this forum.  Know that things are heavy and dark indeed for me to come down to such "brass tacks" with you.

I may one day tell you what is happening.  I may never do so.  I ask for your support, from the heart.  I give thanks for you all.

If we cannot use the Internet for this sort of thing, then we should scrap it altogether. Talk about a "prayer chain"!  
Posted by: san j, Friday, September 30, 2005, 2:50am; Reply: 159
Thank you, friends.  Things may already be appearing somewhat more hopeful.  Accent on the words "may" and "appearing", but, that even said, it does wonders for my outlook...

But don't let up, if so inclined.

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, September 30, 2005, 12:47pm; Reply: 160
Thinking and praying for you  :K) :K)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 30, 2005, 6:15pm; Reply: 161
hope things look better for you soon!! )
we are here if you need us.....
Posted by: san j, Friday, September 30, 2005, 8:38pm; Reply: 162
You are dears.  In all honesty, just to see the last couple of postings brings a lump to the throat and a tear to the eye.  ....   I can say no more just now.  Thank you, and thank you again.
Posted by: JoanneO, Friday, September 30, 2005, 8:50pm; Reply: 163
Here's an O confession.....this website is the one that finally got me to even be interested in the internet.  I have an attitude with technology and don't have a home computer cause I have no more teen boys to fix it.  I have computer at school, but until BTD I had no interest in this is my favorite place to go.  I love this forum!  I guess I have love/hate with computer too.     I love BTD most of all!  
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Friday, September 30, 2005, 9:06pm; Reply: 164
Dear exj_j, I'm joining the prayer chain, too.  I believe in such things.  I've been away for a few days and I was sad to read today your note of such a tribulation you must be dealing with.

With love,
New Hampshire Girl
Posted by: Ellie, Friday, September 30, 2005, 11:43pm; Reply: 165
Hi exj_j

Just saw your posts above - my heart and prayers are with you for whatever you're going through.

Ellie xx
Posted by: san j, Saturday, October 1, 2005, 1:02am; Reply: 166
Wow.  Friends - Things are very troubled here.  But when I check in and see such love and heart, I feel all is as it should be, and ...

Y'know, I'm glad I "spoke up" about it, because, otherwise I would have deprived myself of this wonderful feeling of support...

It's really, really amazing.  So thank you again.  I don't mean to "hog" the thread with your concern for me, so, at ease, continue with other business...

but, again, WOW!  So much love.  Thank you...
Posted by: Ellie, Saturday, October 1, 2005, 2:06am; Reply: 167
Hi again exj_j

I should learn from this too. I tend to keep things to myself and forget what support there is around me if i allow myself to access it. Not that there is anything really bad or difficult for me at moment but last few days have been feeling bit low (now that could be too much wheat partly, and partly hormonal but still....).

I consider all you on here as friends - even kind of family - even if we haven't met - yet!

Keep going exj_j, seems to me there's a lot of weird stuff going on generally, judging from other people I'm in touch with - I think there's something bigger than individual difficulties....maybe....

Posted by: san j, Sunday, October 2, 2005, 9:29pm; Reply: 168
Whatever my friends are doing on my behalf, i.e., praying, keep it up, because this storm might very well be weathered.  I stoop to coveting yet another prayer-burst. Thank you, thank you.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, October 2, 2005, 9:36pm; Reply: 169
oups... I didn't realized it at that point....exj_j  I am with you with my heart and in my
thoughts :K)

and also Betul :K)
Posted by: ion, Sunday, October 2, 2005, 11:08pm; Reply: 170
O!!! dear
I was probably forgotten to click the notification button and missed a lot.
Exjj how are you.
Pity you didn't go India instead to Indian grocery shop.
Reading the parts I’ve missed, your post came like thunder at spring time.
I am with you deep and sincerely.
My B heart is with you

Posted by: 758 (Guest), Monday, October 3, 2005, 2:59pm; Reply: 171

I hope things are better for you for the last two days. I can't guess what trouble you are in, so I try to pray generally for you to find out a way to the solution. You're in my thoughts since you've written down your request for a prayer chain. Please try to keep calm and hopeful. "Dots will connect in the future. You cannot connect them looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards, so please do believe that they will connect in the future." What do I mean : I wish I could send you an excellent true life story by Steve Jobs, the creator of Appel, but it's a very long text. I've uploaded it to, and will keep it there for sometime for those who may wish to have a look at the story. I'll also  email it to you.

That evening I told my husband about you. Someone out there wants me to help him/her(sorry :) ) by sending my prayers. That's excellent, that's great, to send best wishes to a person you have never met before. Life is worth living if and only if you think in behalf of others as well, I think.

Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
oups... I didn't realized it at that point....exj_j  I am with you with my heart and in my
thoughts :K)

and also Betul :K)

Isa, thank you! I wish I could express my feelings completely, I'm a pretty skilled writer in Turkish, especially when it comes to talk about feelings(may be this is a B matter - ok, lets try to keep the thread "in subject" by putting down words like B-matter,B-event  ;D ), but in English I need some more time to grow into a skilled writer.

Regarding the quotation, Isa, three years ago I all had friends just like me. We were alike, in thoughts, in action, in appearance! One day I decided to break my shell and discover the world outside. I'm a Cancer, who feels safe only if people around do not attempt to hurt me. No new friends, no new life styles, no new feelings! I don't remember what triggered my decision, but since that time I began to make a lot of lovely, strange, unlike, unique friends. Life became more enjoyable, and meaningful; when you try to touch others' hearts which are each unique and special. My old friends confirm that I have changed a lot. I now know that I will change until death.

When Yaman told me about BTD forum, I could never guess to make friends there, as well! But this community really gives me a family sense.

It's very valuable to devote your heart and thoughts to me. It must be valuable for others to take part in one's thoughts and heart as well, so I'll do it for others, while others do it for me. This is the chain, sometimes rings are connected both ways.

Thank you and,


Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 3, 2005, 6:00pm; Reply: 172
yup Betul..I agree completely with you and thank you for your trust, I'll try my best for
never doing any harm to you, but sometimes it may be also a different form of our
different cultures which might be missunderstood and then ::) :'(
but ok ok ;) I have promised it with this :D :K) and must be honest yes I hope for our
exj_j all the best and that all will go conform to the whishes made for ;D :D
and Betul..... hi-hi-hiiiii I am ok for a turkish language cours....teach me ;) :D just for
lovely words and kind feelings.. but dear Betul... I am not familiar at all with such stuffs.... so far ::) take care I don't want to do any fault ;) :D
I think this is applied poetry... ::) oups... what a changement with me !!!! ;D  :D
Posted by: 758 (Guest), Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 5:51am; Reply: 173
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
yup Betul..I agree completely with you and thank you for your trust, I'll try my best for
never doing any harm to you, but sometimes it may be also a different form of our
different cultures which might be missunderstood

No problem :)

Quoted from ISA-MANUELA

I am ok for a turkish language cours....teach me ;)  just for
lovely words and kind feelings.

Why not?
Here 's one : "Seni seviyorum" meaning "I love you".

But I'm sure you know this, don't you? ;)

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 7:22am; Reply: 174
               :o        ouch  ::) ??) :B

not so quick please ;)  :D
Posted by: 758 (Guest), Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 7:32am; Reply: 175
:) ;)

Posted by: ion, Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 7:34am; Reply: 176
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
               :o        ouch  ::) ??) :B

not so quick please ;)  :D


Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 12:23pm; Reply: 177
ooo wow.. now  in turkish and greek language... omG ... must be on bloody work.... ::) ;D
Posted by: ion, Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 1:13pm; Reply: 178
Isa. Sao is Turkish.
I put it out for you cause is easy to remember.
You would'n want to know the greek thanks.
It is better to hear it than read it.
:K) Ion
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 3:13pm; Reply: 179
:B :B :B ion ;) iiirx vao à Sao....Paulo??) yup...sofort... na klar ;) aufffiiiiiiiiiiiii ;) :D
= would you come to Sao Paulo.... Brazil yep ;)  warm and neat..... :K)
Posted by: san j, Thursday, October 6, 2005, 8:32pm; Reply: 180
Thank you, friends.  I haven't been on line in a few days.  There could be some time-outs like that for me, for awhile.

I could say more, but, for now, I'll just leave it at that.  You are so appreciated.

It was a really strange and impulsive decision to bring y'all into my "confidence" like that.  I'm still kind of ambivalent about it, but, heck, what's done is done, and you guys are so awesome with your concern that, all things considered, I'm ok with it.

I am someone who prays, too, and you can be sure, I'm giving thanks for you!
Posted by: san j, Thursday, October 6, 2005, 9:05pm; Reply: 181
OK Friends.  I've just spent half an hour on the Forum, and I found it very uplifting.  It could be a couple of days before I'm back, but this has been great. You're a terrific bunch, and the BTD is, itself, something to be upbeat about!
And look at the thread on Parsnips, because I/we tend to forget about this very unique bene.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, October 7, 2005, 8:17am; Reply: 182
Good to see you ;-)
Posted by: ion, Friday, October 7, 2005, 8:41am; Reply: 183
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
:B :B :B ion ;) iiirx vao à Sao....Paulo??) yup...sofort... na klar ;) aufffiiiiiiiiiiiii ;) :D
= would you come to Sao Paulo.... Brazil yep ;)  warm and neat..... :K)

Hi Isa.
Is it Sao Paolo the next destination for btd meeting?
is to early for me to think about but I thank you for inviting me and... you never know..

Posted by: 1013 (Guest), Friday, October 7, 2005, 7:17pm; Reply: 184
Ahh, B's and being Unique.

Being a classical musician, I am around a lot of unique people at school,... anyone else gone to conservatory? But I do gravitate towards my fellow B-type musicians, which there are a few at my school. I find that it is easier to work on chamber music (music for a small group of instruments) when the other members are of the same blood type. We tend to "just know" how each other will play a line. As for personality, I enjoy that my opinion differs usually from the majority. I am usually the one who likes to crack jokes at the most inappropiate time. My friends tell me that I am very sarcastically funny, but I make sure never to hurt anyones feelings. My jokes usually stay on a superficial level. I enjoy wearing the usual trendy stuff, but changing one or two things to make it, or me,  stand out, for (i.e. eyebrow piercing, tattoo, nothing major though).... I like having slightly not sober discussions on the interpretation of Mahler symphonies, and arguing over why Jacqueline DuPre is just about the best thing to ever happen to music. I am very picky about foods, sometimes, and then other times will eat just about anything without problem. I am always willing to try new foods. Camel meat tastes like sand, by the way. I am usually the one that will go off by myself in foreign countries to find my way around. I definitely fit the lazy B stereotype. I could not see myself doing anything else than music and do not even attempt to go out of that realm,....I know, I am a bad, bad, non-contributing member of society, but, oh well :-) I just feel that life is c**p if you are not happy. I also went to church all while growing up, but stopped going after my freshman year of college. I felt it to be rigid sometimes. I enjoyed some formal aspects of it, but sleep is more important on sunday mornings. I am religious in my heart and mind, but I do not need a church to "keep me going" or anything like that. Not that that is wrong if anyone else needs it. Different strokes for different folks. I am a sleep-aholic, but that could be due to having a lot of toxins in my blood from avoids. Ok, gotta run, have important socializing to take care of... it is friday after all... Have a good Friday night all!!! I will stop in again soon.
Posted by: san j, Friday, October 7, 2005, 9:08pm; Reply: 185
Surprise visit! Can only stay a couple of minutes:Ansonlager, you are awfully charming.  I too have been known to wax eloquent over Mahler... and there is professional musical performance in my own past...Stay with us. Keep us smiling. Drink your milk.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, October 7, 2005, 10:31pm; Reply: 186
;D yay ansonlager... so I am only for 1/2 unique ;) wuu-huuu ::) ok I agree :D

and ion...good idea...will think about forrrrrr next arrangements :K) :D

and dear exj_j thatswhy we are all here with big...big..ears and soooo curieuse :K) and
we are not only curieuse but we are all with you... also without any question :D  ;) :K)
Posted by: 1013 (Guest), Saturday, October 8, 2005, 7:32pm; Reply: 187
how about this....

I love to help people out, until the point that they start to take advantage of me or the situation, and then I retreat. OR, I love doing things for people, until it is expected of me,...and then I dont want to anymore. Sound like a B thing? or is it just me?

here is another thing,...I learn much better by seeing something done in action, as opposed to people telling me how to do it. any other B's experience this?
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, October 8, 2005, 8:14pm; Reply: 188
yes... half of mine ;) :K)

aaand ion.... next meeting with BTD-folks in 07 = same place ...same state :D .....
*the Butes* in same town... at about 20 of April 2007... juuuuuuuuhhuuuu ::)
Posted by: san j, Saturday, October 8, 2005, 8:58pm; Reply: 189
ansonlager:  Can't relate. I'm a giver way beyond the call of duty.  There was even some color personality test link a month or more ago, and I was called "The Giver" by it. Utter ingratitude makes me think twice, however.

Re: Requiring demonstrations rather than descriptions of How To's:  I think we all have certain areas of life where we're quicker studies, and other areas where, on the contrary, we need to take the class or watch the video or have the professional consult.

Isa, mon amie: Je te remercie tes voeux: As for "curieuse", I think it'll be awhile.  My hope is that there will be a truly happy ending, rather than a "band-aid" sort of remedy;  I'll be happy to relate the whole story to my prayer-chain friends when all is really well..and it's not, YET.

No ingratitude here, friends.  Gratitude is what it's ALL about, for me.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, October 9, 2005, 6:50am; Reply: 190
Quoted from ansonlager
how about this....

I love to help people out, until the point that they start to take advantage of me or the situation, and then I retreat. OR, I love doing things for people, until it is expected of me,...and then I dont want to anymore. Sound like a B thing? or is it just me?

here is another thing,...I learn much better by seeing something done in action, as opposed to people telling me how to do it. any other B's experience this?

Yep that is me ;-) But I don´t know if it a B thing, a Leo  or just a generation thing... BUT my sis is the same and she a aLeo B in her 30´s as well....
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, October 9, 2005, 8:01am; Reply: 191
:D exj_j..... mon ami(e)... mon frère  dis moi;-  comment faire, pour nous aimer sur terre...... ;) :K) connais tu cette  chanson? Il y avais un de mes préferés, nommé Enrico
Marcias, un piet noir de l'Algerie, avec une voi superbe.... et il a chanté des chansons
magnifiques..... heard-openers ;) and mind-values.... :K)
clarrooooo for that I won't insiste... and ok for your chain ( I am a private-part of it of loooooooooooong-distance ;) ) ::) isa-shut up... ok I do so :D ;D
Posted by: san j, Sunday, October 9, 2005, 7:14pm; Reply: 192
Isa, tu es precieuse, ma chere amie.  La situation est grave.  Je prie chaque jour pour la fortitude, le courage, la visite autant que possible, pour me rejouir.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, October 9, 2005, 7:31pm; Reply: 193
cherie-bibi :D tu as raison pour cela , et je prie pour toi que la grace et la force et le
pouvoir de Dieux t'aiderons le mieux possible- mais ma bien chère... tu est gatée,
car tu dois te souvenire que les B doivent travailler avec leur possibilités mentales...
alors- hoppà use- les... tu  est plus forte que tu pense :K)
ainsi-soit-il - :K)
Posted by: Ellie, Sunday, October 9, 2005, 9:21pm; Reply: 194
I can't make up my mind about the helping thing - I always thought that was partly a female thing and partly a cultural thing...

exj_j - lit some candles yest and your name was among those I sent prayers to...Sorry things are hard going - I think there is a lot of shaking up in the world going on,..

Ansonlager - thank you for joining us and adding something to think about.!
Posted by: san j, Monday, October 10, 2005, 9:39pm; Reply: 195
Yay B's.  Isa, you are so right, so in touch with your Bbetter half!  Yes, B's are the great imaginers, the great visualizers... and here I'm so blessed to have a group of such "siblings" praying for me.

And, guess what...things are, temporarily at least, smoothing out.  I'm gearing up for a very trying couple of months, ok? so keep it going, but I have to say, things are looking up!

Last night I was praying, and you all came to mind.  And all I could see in my mind's eye were the typed words and the little yellow flags - and yes, the occasional green or red one, too! - and all the names and the places in the world where I know some of you live, but I was very very grateful.

The best I can hope for is that these trials I'm traversing are leading to something much, much, much better, more solid and appropriate.  Sometimes things are absolutely darkest just before the dawn, and I really hope that's the case here...

Love and peace to y'all!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 5:40am; Reply: 196
I'll have a looky-looky in my tarot-cards ::) :D ;D
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 9:30pm; Reply: 197
B & Individuality:  The whole Luddite thing.
Last night I was out very late, and I needed to use the phone for an international call: I don't have a cell phone.  I was having trouble locating a phone (I have a phone card to which I could bill the call).  
And a very nice stranger handed me his phone and said, "Here, you can use this".

And I didn't know how to use his gizmo.  I couldn't impose my ignorance upon him, so, after "trying", I gave it back to him without using it!

At home I still use the phone I rented from New England Bell in the 1970's.  It's still going strong!  Just about 30 years old! And, no, it's not a dial phone.

Sometimes I feel like Lucy Ricardo when I'm up against techno-machinery. "Ricky!!"
Posted by: ion, Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 10:05pm; Reply: 198
You didn't ask him what  his blod type is?
Posted by: Ellie, Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 10:43pm; Reply: 199
Actually, I was the first one in my family to get a mobile phone - but this was because of the job I had not just for the sake of it - it was huge compared to the phone I have now - it took normal AA batteries as a back up!!

I don't think of myself as  a Luddite, but I only bought a CD player less than 2 years ago..I always have to think a)can I afford something b)is it going to be something I'll need or find useful. My sister bought me a DVD player last Christmas otherwise I probably wouldn't have one...glad to have it though!

My youngest sister (who may or may not be a B) has a completely different attitude to these things - and I think it's a generational thing - she is 8 years younger than me.
Posted by: san j, Sunday, October 16, 2005, 7:32pm; Reply: 200
I think it only fair that I check in with my B family, of whom I have requested attention, and let you know that the rest of the year can indeed be expected to be a roller coaster ride, with some very serious dips and not necessarily any highs...

But, I've been regularly checking in here; it's really uplifting...

and I'm squarely on the BTD, loving those bene's at every possible seating.
And the dairy, the dairy.

Thanks again, friends, and -- if and when you think of it -- I'm not too proud to say "remember me upstairs"...
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, October 16, 2005, 7:46pm; Reply: 201
who is it which is disturbing my laber-labers and and puts those f...::)ny ??) in hääää???
what going on here... my royalty is not able nor willing for such things and no tolerance at all for us ::) ;D :D wow...... mann-oooh mann... is that possible me and angry ??? oups... ::) :D
Posted by: san j, Sunday, October 16, 2005, 7:51pm; Reply: 202
OK: Another technophobe question:

My "inbox" of private messages is/was "full", so I deleted the whole thing, right?  Then I'm shown that it's 51.46% full!  How can it be more than half full, if I've just EMPTIED it?

For all my education, I never studied this computer stuff... and, in my day, 100% minus 100% = 0.  But, hey, that was another era. Someone teach me the new math!
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, October 16, 2005, 8:47pm; Reply: 203
If you have any messages stored in your folders, it uses the same storage as your inbox/outbox.

Did you delete the sent items, too? That uses storage as well.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, October 16, 2005, 8:54pm; Reply: 204
wooo- hoooo thatswhat I wrote in another thread    and Peter wrote back that nothing has changed... this is not that exactly what its shown by realities ::)
in my case it was similar- only that I couldn't receive other posts and now it is the same- only very less is going in and after two lines---- padaboum .... this famous sentence poke up : you have no more things left... you cant'.... bla-bli-bluis... but for sure I can :D   ;D  and no full folders... justamente 0=O=o = super 00 ;D ;)

                                  ::) :K)  
Posted by: Ellie, Monday, October 17, 2005, 8:44pm; Reply: 205
Hi exj_j

thanks for clocking in. Lit a candle for you in Church again last Saturday (i don't go to church anymore, but this church has a wonderful peaceful feel to it, and some amazing stained glass windows).

How are all the other Bs? Where are you all?
Posted by: san j, Monday, October 17, 2005, 8:51pm; Reply: 206
Ellie, luv,

Where is this beautiful church with the stained glass windows?  I seem to recall you're in GB.

You're a dear, dear.  Eventually there'll be a major, major change for me, but it won't happen right away.  So, in the meantime, thanks for such thoughts ... He hears.  And He's the One I need most, now and ever.
Posted by: Ellie, Monday, October 17, 2005, 8:58pm; Reply: 207
This church is in a small town in North Wales.I won't give you the name as it probably would not mean anything to you!! (and you probably couldn't pronounce it anyway!!) I think you Bs would appreciate the scenery and pace of life round here - we have sea and mountains and the pace of life is slower than in bigger places - there is still a sense of community as well.

I will be asking for your support next month as I have to go to hospital for a diagnostic operation...

I definitely believe that if we believe that better things are to come, then they will, however long it takes. You're in good hands. His angels are with you.
Posted by: zola, Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 6:26am; Reply: 208
here's a little tidbit about the B's I know:

The two B's I know are quite different in physique...
One stocky like myself but with powerful buttocks & thighs and a decided waist. The other also sturdy but medium sized & gains weight in the abdomen when they do (not the legs or butt). They are similar in temperment though and have many similar interests.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 10:20am; Reply: 209
The B´s I know is different as well.
ME - slightly stone age wpman like.
1,66, stronfg built with broad (sholders) and hips - short strong muscles. When I gain weight it is all over me.- but I loose it easy on my hips and leggs....

MY sis  long leggs- she is rather heavy - but it is mainly on her hips and leggs.

I would say both my sister and I are some kind of mesomorf -
My best friend and her sister - thet are rather lean - long bodies - but when they gain wight it is only on breasts and bellies.( I would call them ektomorf.

I don´t know any typically endomorf B´s - but I am sure they are around.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 7:28pm; Reply: 210
I've never been to Wales, Ellie. But your love of the place isn't the first I've heard.
May your health be good.  Thank you, too, for the opportunity to be mindful of your needs.
Posted by: 1013 (Guest), Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 9:57pm; Reply: 211
hello all,... I just wanted to drop a line saying thanks for answering my questions. I have been eating well on the B diet for a bit now, but sadly feel more and more lethargic as time progresses. I do love milk and will continue to drink it everyday(as I always have), but there are too many differences in the perscripted diet, and what my body likes and dislikes.  Some things seem very accurate, but other things are not seeming to add up (for my body). I think there is merit to this diet/lifestyle, but I feel like I have to go with my gut instincts. Good luck to you all and may life bring you only the best.
Posted by: Ellie, Tuesday, October 18, 2005, 10:30pm; Reply: 212
Hi ansonlager

Hey, you can't leave us!! When did you start the diet? What foods are you finding difficult? I think you will find we all have different needs within the diet, and finding out what those are can take a little time and effort (but it is worth it, I promise)

Lethargy - is your body detoxing? Does it occur after particular foods? Are you getting enough liquids? If you let us know, we'll do our best to help! If you are a non-secretor this could explain why some foods do not agree with you if you are following the secretor diet.

I can see why you feel fed up and you are right to  follow your gut, but at least let us see if we can help you out, cheer you up, whatever - and you're a part of the BTD family now!

If you still want to go, that's cool - wish you all the best too, and just know you'll be welcome back any time..

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 12:25am; Reply: 213
why don t you try the secretor test, maybe you might be a nonnie....or try the non B diet for two weeks, that might be all you need! )
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, October 19, 2005, 8:55am; Reply: 214
Lethargy- I agree with Ellie- it could be detoxing
- but if you feel it is not right - go with peace.
Posted by: san j, Thursday, October 20, 2005, 11:06pm; Reply: 215
Who wants to bet ansonlager'll be back?
A whole family of B's?  Who can resist?
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, November 20, 2005, 8:37pm; Reply: 216 thats typic for the individuality of the B's ;)  a thread with 9 chiffres ::)
the longest of all ;D :D ;)
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, November 21, 2005, 1:01am; Reply: 217
Hey all  :K)

I split off the recent messages here and merged them with B and Individuality II located here in the Live Right forum as well.

Here's the link if you need it...,v=display,b=lr4yt,m=1130191808

And I went ahead and locked this thread since it is taking some time to load... plus we have the II thread to fill...  8)

Oh... and I'll put Isa's comment back here since it was intended for this thread.

:K) Kristin
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