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BHealthy
Tuesday, January 17, 2017, 3:55am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I’ve been meaning to post this for months but kept putting it off.  Now, learning about the imminent demise of the forum lit a fire under my butt to post it ASAP as it might help someone.

My life is very different now than it was when I was active here several years ago:  My husband was offered a job he couldn’t refuse so, in the space of 6 weeks, we sold our old house, bought a new one, and moved halfway across the country to NH.  We now live in a small town near the MA border, close enough to CT that I will be able to have Opus23 decode my genome!  

One of the reasons I dropped off the forum is that life in the country is much harder – everything is further away, takes longer, or is just not available so I have much less time to spend on the computer.  BUT…the food options here are phenomenal and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.  

Dr. D advocates eating organic, wild, and pasture raised as much as possible.  While organic agriculture is much MUCH better than conventional, organic certification allows the use of many chemicals and more are being added as agribusinesses attempt to grab their share of the organic pie.  You have to be certain the “organic” product you’re buying was produced ethically and not by one of the many companies that flaunt the rules and don’t provide an organic product even though the label states it is.  The Cornucopia Institute has several articles exposing these companies and listing the ones you can trust.  

There is a better option:  BIODYNAMIC AGRICULTURE.  Biodynamic farming uses NO CHEMICALS!  It also enriches the earth in such a way that the longer you farm it, the better the earth becomes, unlike conventional agriculture which depletes it.

Whole Foods has started selling biodynamically produced goods (Google for a list) but you may need to ask your local store to order them for you.  There are also many biodynamic farms that will ship.  I have a list of all the products I’ve found so far, and will send it to anyone who’s interested (PM me).

However, your best bet is to find a local CSA.  If you can’t find one using Google, contact The Biodynamic Association.    Some farms that are not certified will mention that they follow the teachings of “Rudolph Steiner” so Googling his name is another way of finding a local farm. Camphill Communities, located all over USA, are also biodynamic.  Biodynamic practices are much more prevalent in Europe and will be easier to find there.  Demeter is the entity that certifies biodynamic practices so look for products with their seal.

The main reason why I love NH so much is that we belong to several CSAs that are farmed biodynamically.  What’s different about these CSAs is that you don’t get a box with your “share” of the harvest, the harvest is laid out and you take what you need. If you don’t like garlic, don’t take it.  If you love spinach, take a crate-full.  In summer, the bounty is so great I’m able to freeze or can enough to last us through the winter.

One of our CSAs also provides eggs, dairy products and meat, the other has several greenhouses that produce lettuce, spinach and arugula through the winter.    Biodynamic farming is more efficient if there are animals (to create compost and help with pest control) and plants (to feed the animals) so many biodynamic farms offer both.  When the vegetables are harvested, the perfect specimens go into the farm store, the rest (and the bits humans don't eat) go to feed the animals.

80% of the food we eat comes from these farms and costs $125/month/adult (kids eat free); so, if you’re on a tight budget, these are the cheapest way to get the healthiest foods available.  The CSAs we belong to expect wealthier members to pay more than the minimum and poorer members to pay what they are able.  

Another tip I’d like to pass along is to create a buying group on FrontierCoOp.com.  You only need three families to create a group, and if your order is at least $250 shipping is free.  They sell a LOT of organic products – the same products sold at WF – for a fraction of the cost.  I get most of our household goods there – laundry and other cleaning products, spices, toothpaste, etc…

And, finally, Vitacost, iHerb, and LuckyVitamin sell organic canned goods (beans, tomatoes, etc… much cheaper than WF and the free shipping threshold is only $49.  Again, combine orders with friends and stock up.

(Moderators, I wasn’t sure where to post this; so, if this is not the right forum, please move the thread.)


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thanks for the heads up

wish I lived in the US to create a group to buy organic


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Frontier is a telecommunications company, and that domain name belongs to them.  Folks should try frontiercoop.com.

Thanks for sharing! Hope to see you in the new forum!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Maybe I can hook my local friends into the Great Expat Migration after I co-op with them; sounds wonderful  


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Quoted from SquarePeg
Frontier is a telecommunications company, and that domain name belongs to them.  Folks should try frontiercoop.com.

Thanks for sharing! Hope to see you in the new forum!

Thank you for this.  I wrote the post quickly, to get the info out there, and didn't realize there was more than one "Frontier".

Here is the link to create a buying group: https://wholesale.frontiercoop.com/community.html

I will probably join TGC's forum.  

Although I have several FB accounts, I hate FB.  It's an information site, not a discussion site, and I don't think it's an appropriate replacement for a forum.  There is also no guarantee that any group which is "secure" today will still be secure tomorrow.  Nor is there any guarantee that they aren't monitoring your posts and compiling data about you.  They're funded by ads and there is no profit in providing free secrecy.  

I currently have no personal data on FB.  I use separate dedicated email accounts and the required birth date is bogus.  There is no way I'm sharing something as personal as blood type there.



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Another source for healthy foods, supplements and cleaning supplies (if you don't make your own) is asurestandard.com     Some of what they sell is organic, some "ethically grown or raised" and some is not either.  Their individual product descriptions are detailed, so you know what you are ordering.  They also have lots of recipes on their web site and well written blogs.  It is still a family owned and run company.  I hope it will stay that way and not go the way of UNFI which disintegrated into a ...polite language:..less than good place to buy from.  

They drop ship (deliver by truck) to drop points all over the US, but not to every town and hamlet.  However, you can order from them as an individual and they will ship UPS to you.  I have no idea of the shipping costs because I belong to a local group.  

The truck comes every 28 days and you have to be there to receive your boxes as the driver hands them off of the tailgate, but you order and pay on line so it is very quick and easy on pick up day - unless it is pouring rain.....

Not everything they sell is organic, but they are based in Oregon and they try very hard to support local ethical businesses and I absolutely love the grass fed butter and the fermented (no vinegar) dill pickles I can get from them and no where else.

They have graduated pricing, so you can order one item or a full case, and the case prices are noticeably lower per item.  You join for free, but they also have a yearly membership that offers considerably lower pricing and if you choose that, you get several large boxes of organic, healthy things (of their choice) during the year.  One was full sizes packages of various organic dried beans, one organic dried fruits, one generous packages of herbs and spices.  For me the paid membership is a very good deal.  

Where I live, the truck is loaded almost a full week before the delivery date, so ordering fresh produce from Azure is not a good idea at all.  Even so, my monthly order averages around $300 for the two of us.    

If there is ever a problem with what you receive, you phone them and get a real person who cares about YOU and fixes the problem immediately to your satisfaction.    

Where I live there is no Whole Foods or other type store.  The best we have is a decent Kroger about 20 minutes drive from our house.  

You might want to check out Azure Standard as a source for healthy food if you are not fortunate to live in an area like BHealthy does.    


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This is very helpful altho I am not using the info now.  However, with the forum closing, I am glad this will be here for a reference I may need later.
Thanx!!


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Quoted from ginnyTN
... I absolutely love the grass fed butter and the fermented (no vinegar) dill pickles I can get from them and no where else.

You might want to check out Azure Standard as a source for healthy food if you are not fortunate to live in an area like BHealthy does.    


I would love to find a source for raw grass fed butter but, unfortunately, AzureStandard doesn't have a drop point nearby.  Here's a link to their drop point map: https://www.azurestandard.com/get-started/find-drop



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