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BluesSinger
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So on the new type base ER4YT - Kefir is a no no but for GT - it's a neutral.  On my Swami (O-Hunter), it's a black dot.

When Kefir is listed would that indicate Dairy Kefir?    I'm wondering if I should give a non-sweetened variety a shot.. any other O's out there allowed to have this?  

What makes Kefir so different from other milk products that are avoids, that it classify as a neutral?
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I got those from friends and neighbors

you pass these along as they multiply, quickly

have mine in a large jar of clear water with molasses added

gives my smoothies that' yogurt' touch
haven't had the other form......


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BluesSinger I'm an O and have just started using the water kefir.
I would be interested if the milk kefir would be an option for me someday, I have an intolerance to cows milk but by adding kefir would this make it more tolerable?
I don't know the answers but would also be interested.
Lola, I assume you do the water kefir? I do too, but mine is definitely not yoghurty...its fizzy and a bit boozy...am now wondering if am I doing it right?
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Yes, water kefir is more like a sparkling ginger ale (minus the ginger part unless you add it) and not "yogurty" at all.

If you don't do well on cow's milk, but milk kefir is neutral (or a black dot you're willing to try adding back in) then I'd suggest using goat's milk, or sheep's milk, or whatever kind of non-cow mammal milk you can find.


Ruth, Single Mother to 22 yo  O- Leah , 20 yo O- Hannah, and  15 yo B+ Jack


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Yes, water kefir is more like a sparkling ginger ale (minus the ginger part unless you add it) and not "yogurty" at all.

If you don't do well on cow's milk, but milk kefir is neutral (or a black dot you're willing to try adding back in) then I'd suggest using goat's milk, or sheep's milk, or whatever kind of non-cow mammal milk you can find.


Thanks.. most kefir's i'm finding have sugar.. sigh...   but i'm still hunting...
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I can find an unsweetened  goat milk kefir in my local Fairway. I used to drink it regularly, pre BTD.  Kefir is an outright avoid on my SWAMI so I won't buy it again.

I never had any obvious reactions to goat milk products, so I will consume them as an occasional treat. If I was gifted a package of goat milk yogurt or kefir, I'd eat or drink it and enjoy, but it's not something I'll ever do frequently again.


Ruth, Single Mother to 22 yo  O- Leah , 20 yo O- Hannah, and  15 yo B+ Jack


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Thanks.. most kefir's i'm finding have sugar.. sigh...   but i'm still hunting...

Yeah, "most" indeed do. But:
This is what I've occasionally used:
http://siggisdairy.com/product/plain-filmjolk/

I've acquired this at my local WFM.

The vanilla, still "sugar-free", has a bit of agave in it,
but IMO it's easier to buy the plain and do your own sweetening/flavoring.  

EDITED TO ADD:
This brand ("Plain") is also clean:
http://www.evolvekefir.com/products.html
EDITED AGAIN TO ADD:
Lifeway Organic Kefir -- 3 varieties of Plain kefir, all without sweetener:
http://lifewaykefir.com/family/organic-kefir/


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mine is definitely not yoghurty


that was my way of explaining the fermented fizzy touch

hope you all get my drift and not get all yoghurty leaning toward the dairy type we know

will try to find a better word next time, promise


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Hi BluesSinger and Lola,

I have just made my next Kefir batch and have used molasses instead of ordinary sugar, thanks Lola for mentioning the molasses, it is indeed also a beneficial for me on my swami.

Confusingly, only the milk kefir is mentioned on the type base.

So, I was wondering if it would it be at all possible to have any clarification on the status of the actual kefir grain rather than the fermenting companion ingredient?

In this day and age when so many of us have issues with our 'microbiome' more and more of us are turning to fermented foods as probiotics as they are key to gut health, and especially as the capsule probiotics are just so expensive, and for some the capsules are way too strong to start with on their healing journey.
With kefir and ferments you are able to start with one drop or one strand at a time and be guided gently by your body as to the dosing and gradually work your way up to a few forkfuls of the ferment or a small cup of the kefir.

I think this whole area would be interesting to include in the blood type diet/swami info available to us.

Cabbage isn't the only thing possible to ferment and seeing as cabbage is an avoid for me I ferment only beneficial veggies that I have already mentioned in another thread.

So now the status of fermented veg must surely change to beneficial if you are using beneficial ingredients? As I am now assuming that kefir is now a beneficial for me as I am using beneficial molasses...?
I think this is a really interesting 'add on' to the blood type diet and definitely worth a little mention...🙂
Please correct me if I am completely wrong on this and it is the actual 'fermenting' process that is an avoid...
Thanks BluesSinger for starting this thread it is a really interesting topic.
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Numerous times on this forum we've discussed fermenting vegetables using salt and beneficial or neutral veggies. I know that Dr D reads the forum, and in other circumstances he's responded to clarify something that people were suggesting in error. To the best of my knowledge, he's never commented "No, fermented beets are an avoid because they create this chemical" or any similar comment. So I take that as tacit approval of what the long-standing members have been recommending: it's OK to ferment compliant ingredients, as long as you don't personally get a bad reaction from it.


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fermenting strengthens your micro biome and digestive system


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The molasses Kefir is done...just wanting to report back to say that it is very lovely indeed and an improvement on the original...it's a lot darker and tastes a bit like I imagine Christmas beer would taste...
I will use the dried fruit I added to help make chocolate protein bars...it's all good!
Thanks for the suggestion Lola 👏👏👏
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enjoy


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Quoted from BluesSinger
Thanks.. most kefir's i'm finding have sugar.. sigh...   but i'm still hunting...


Yeah, "most" indeed do. But:
This is what I've occasionally used:
http://siggisdairy.com/product/plain-filmjolk/

I've acquired this at my local WFM.

The vanilla, still "sugar-free", has a bit of agave in it,
but IMO it's easier to buy the plain and do your own sweetening/flavoring.  

EDITED TO ADD:
This brand ("Plain") is also clean:
http://www.evolvekefir.com/products.html
EDITED AGAIN TO ADD:
Lifeway Organic Kefir -- 3 varieties of Plain kefir, all without sweetener:
http://lifewaykefir.com/family/organic-kefir/
Hi, BS. Have you tried any of these I found for you a couple of weeks back? Let's see which filled the bill.


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I have tried Lifeway plain and flavored Kefirs at my local Aldi store.
WOW!!! They are better than any kefirs in my past memory!! :-P
I get them as a black dot but maybe now they are neutral.....because they contain ALL the microorganisms type A needs for the gut biome!
Why go buy a bottle of Rutieri for $25 when I can get a quart of it in my kefir for $3.....
Yum yum!


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Just a quick word on homemade kefir...
Do be careful when storing, do regularly open it...have just lost nearly a whole bottle to fizz when I flipped the lid...the kitchen was covered in my lovely kefir...
I generally make 2 batches at once and use one and then the 2nd...
Have learnt my lesson here and just wanted to warn others 😬
Gosh it was a bit of a shock!

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