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BluesSinger
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I love Dr. D's Probiotic blend but it's a bit pricey for us right now..

Is there another good one out there that will suffice until we can get our income destabilized to afford to continue on with Dr. D's?

thanks much for any suggestions...
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check ingredients and google like strains perhaps


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I've been advised to start using water kefir and fermented vegetables as probiotics as they have huge quantities and varied strains of beneficial probiotics and ithey are very cheap compared to tableted probiotics.
You do need to be careful though about the quantities that you start taking and build up slowly.
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Quoted from Brimstone
I've been advised to start using water kefir and fermented vegetables as probiotics as they have huge quantities and varied strains of beneficial probiotics and ithey are very cheap compared to tableted probiotics.
You do need to be careful though about the quantities that you start taking and build up slowly.


Oh I wish I could... fermented vegetables hurt my stomach in any quantity.   I've never heard of Water Kefir.. I'll look it up.
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Water Kefir sounds just great BUT I can't take in sugar...

this is a great site on making it...
http://www.culturesforhealth.com/learn/category/water-kefir/

but this article says I can use Molasses!!!
https://www.yemoos.com/pages/water-kefir-faq-health-and-consumption

thoughts?
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I use molasses in mine


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I use molasses in mine


very cool Lola!!!!  that gives me hope.  can you provide your recipe?
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Molasses IS sugar. Just saying ...


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Molasses IS sugar. Just saying ...


Hi Mother... Yes I'm aware..    

I don't have a reaction to molasses or agave or honey.  I have massive and uncontrollable reactions to white sugar which is an avoid, with Molasses and Agave being bennies...  I don't eat alot of them and I'm not inclined to.  One bit of white sugar however and I'm off to the races.

This is the allergic physiological response of an addict.  For a COE (compulsive overeater), sugar is like white heroin...  

My main go to 99% of the time is my vegetable glycerine/stevia mixture which also sets off no cravings.  


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Hi bluessinger,
You could try fermenting your benificials and then start by having a couple of strands at a time and building the amount up gradually.
Sandor Katz is the master.
Have made mine out of grated root veggies...
Beetroot, onion and garlic.
Horseradish and turnip.
Carrot, onion and garlic.
I have a couple of forkfulls in the morning before I eat anything else and have had no adverse effects so far.
If you do the kefir be careful of the amounts you take...start very gradually a teaspoon or less at a time and build up gradually.
I did not know this and had a whole glass at once and was very sick a couple of hours later.
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Have you actually used the NAP probiotic?  I found that it upset my stomach.  PattyH had posted a recommendation about probiotics a while back.  Although I haven't yet followed up on it, it sounds really well thought out, and it coincides with advice in the Kelly Brogan book I'm currently reading.

I'm convinced that any concentrated probiotic needs to be enteric to allow it to pass into the intestines intact.  Intestinal flora don't belong in the stomach or upper small intestines.  Most live in the large intestines.  The NAP product comes in a simple capsule.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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If you look hard enough, you might find beneficial or neutral fermented vegetables.  My favorite is the ginger - carrot from [who-knows-who]. (I can find it in my HFS and let you know if you're curious).  It's expensive, but perhaps you could buy one jar and then use the juice to start a new, home-made batch from inexpensive fresh carrots and ginger.  I personally have my doubts about home fermentation from scratch -- how do I know what flora I'm breeding?


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I find the type of flora is similar to the type of food. Not all flora is created equal and everyone's is different.

Like square peg, non of the O's in this house could take polyflora O but many swear by it.

Also to add probiotics are not necessarily good for people with SIBO and can make it worse. I've only found one I tolerate and it's for kids haha. I split one over 3 meals.


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I use one polyflora O pill, opened up, as a starter for my beet kvass. Then I use a bit of the old batch to make the next batch, etc. So the polyflora bottle will last me YEARS if I actually keep this up.  I had one bottle that was so old it was no longer potent.

What I do now is take one polyflora O per day, plus drink the kvass once per day. That's instead of the "2 pills, twice a day" recommended on the bottle.


Ruth, Single Mother to 22 yo  O- Leah , 20 yo O- Hannah, and  15 yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from BluesSinger


very cool Lola!!!!  that gives me hope.  can you provide your recipe?


Yes please, please Lola
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really nothing to it
just keep bacteria thriving

and molasses are in fact the only beneficial sugar molecules weird nonnies can actually have

I make sure they get fresh clean water and a touch of molasses every now and then


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really nothing to it
just keep bacteria thriving

and molasses are in fact the only beneficial sugar molecules weird nonnies can actually have

I make sure they get fresh clean water and a touch of molasses every now and then


Thank you  
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Quoted from Lola
really nothing to it
just keep bacteria thriving

and molasses are in fact the only beneficial sugar molecules weird nonnies can actually have

I make sure they get fresh clean water and a touch of molasses every now and then
Lola, does it really matter whether the "sugar" is BTD-compliant?  Won't the bacteria consume and transform it?  Not arguing, just curious.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I do not care for other types of sugar, really

try it for yourself and see how it goes


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Lola, does it really matter whether the "sugar" is BTD-compliant?  Won't the bacteria consume and transform it?  Not arguing, just curious.



It depends on whether or not you let it ferment long enough so that the bugs eat ALL of the sugar, or if there's still some left in the final product.


Ruth, Single Mother to 22 yo  O- Leah , 20 yo O- Hannah, and  15 yo B+ Jack


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I found a brand with fermented cabbage with excellent taste I use in my salads.Also I took one month probiotics &prebiotics since I had antibiotics so many times in the past I thought my flora might need help.Some forum members warned me about starting with simple probiotics and watch for reactions because propably I would have strong reactions from so many years of bad food.Nothing happened,maybe the 3 years in BTD have done allready the healing,maybe my flora is a "quite one"😆,or maybe those people were worrying too much,my only reaction was very few gas in the first days,then absolutely nothing.


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When you eat the right foods for your type, it includes fiber which is the "right food for your gut flora." Most people already contain all the  strains of gut flora; but the proportions of each type may be out of whack. Enough time eating the right diet and the gut flora comes into balance.


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Hello,

I recommend continuing to take polyflora because of the great quality of it's ingredients and it's personalized formulation. D'Adamo's products are the best in the world and that is the truth. You can reduce the cost of polyflora over time by taking one capsule a day. This would make one bottle of polyflora, which contains one hundred and twenty capsules, last you four months. The  price of one bottle of polyflora is $36.95. When you divide this price by four you get a monthly cost of $9.24. I have been taking his supplements since 2002 and they have given me a quality of life and a standard of living which I would not have otherwise been able to achieve.

I Wish you the best, Kevin
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Quoted from ruthiegirl
When you eat the right foods for your type, it includes fiber which is the "right food for your gut flora." Most people already contain all the  strains of gut flora; but the proportions of each type may be out of whack. Enough time eating the right diet and the gut flora comes into balance.


This sounds wonderful and would be such a relief to my monthly supplement bills..  
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You could always split one per day if you want to take them. Some might be better than none but as Ruthie said, once you're eating right for YOUR body, the flora will balance. I always had intestinal problems and big trouble with fiber and always had to take 'something' for the magic to happen. Since the avocado all that is gone and I take nothing. Veggies have probiotics and probiotics. Artichoke, garlic, avocado, asparagus and others are probiotics. Veggies are probiotics. Also once you starve the bad bacteria by eating the right foods and not the wrong, your probiotics will flourish.  Just adding more pbx is only half the answer. Starving the bad ones is the other half.


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