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Delphinus
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I would find SWAMI a zillion times more helpful if it gave why or how a particular food wound up on a particular LIST (Avoid, neutral, etc).

This would give me the ability to judge how heavily I wish to weigh SWAMI's pronouncement when I consider food items in my personal diet calculus.

For example: What inputs were responsible for landing Food Y on List Z?  What parameter changes would shift that food to List W? Which inputs were responsible for shifting that food from one list to another, as compared  to the BTD alone? How were (perhaps competing) input factors weighted against each other? I may have more information about the relevance of a relative's disease history, for example, than SWAMI does, and may be better able to make informed choices that way. Or, I may wish to set the relative weighting factors myself to more closely reflect my needs and interests.

Without such transparency, SWAMI just becomes one more "authority voice," and there is no way to judge how much deference I should give it. Rather than just receiving blanket judgements, I would prefer a tool that assists me more in making my own informed decisions.

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Quoted from Delphinus
I would find SWAMI a zillion times more helpful if it gave why or how a particular food wound up on a particular LIST (Avoid, neutral, etc).

This would give me the ability to judge how heavily I wish to weigh SWAMI's pronouncement when I consider food items in my personal diet calculus.


I would suggest that you review this thread.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1202698596/s-new/

I should also note that the version of SWAMI used by practitioners provides rationals for all avoid foods. If you wish to 'make your own decisions' on using avoids, you might consider having a practitioner run a SWAMI for you.

Also worth noting is that the computations that produce the list are proprietary. Providing full rationales for all foods would allow reverse engineering, i.e they are proprietary.

Lastly, you are free to make your own judgments in any case based on whatever information you choose.
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" I should also note that the version of SWAMI used by practitioners provides rationals for all avoid foods. "

OK, well, that is what I am asking for ... I am rather disappointed that it is not included in the version that I already shelled out (what seemed to me to be) big bucks for (and belatedly discovered I cannot even use for anyone else without shelling out the same bucks again. Hmmm. My fault, I guess.)

Thanks for the thread link. I found this (less than helpful) comment by Dr D in it:

"These are linked via relational databases to a 'tabulator' which creates the super-tables out of this data and other external published frequencies and associations. This is then fed into a variety of multivariate tools that generate the Eigenvalues which identify the GenoType characterizations."

Perhaps I am too sensitive, but the subtext seems to be  "It is too hard for you, so leave it to me."

I got to admit that I do not know the difference between a 'super-table' and a 'table,' but I do understand all the other words   .  It really isn't hard to crunch numbers. I do appreciate the "proprietary" argument. It is hard to determine the original inputs and to determine the weighting. Those are monumental tasks. The good Dr does deserve reward for his magnificent achievements.

Questions about appropriate weighting are actually part of the argument for more transparency: perhaps different weighting would be more appropriate for different people.  I would rather like the ability to vary the weighting away from the recommended values without having to shell out more bucks for the privilege.  I am unlikely to seek out a 'practitioner' because of the (likely) expense (I may inquire at some point exactly what that is -- does anybody know what it typically would cost to get a consult?). My initial statement stands: I would find SWAMI far more useful if it gave up more information instead of being a black box.

I can appreciate Dr D's contributions and still observe at the same time that it seems like the business model runs a little rampant at the expense of making a truly useful tool.
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I don't think it's "it's too hard for you, so leave it to me." I think it's more of "the computer ran the numbers and I don't even know them unless I dig deeply into the software to find the answers, which isn't worth my time to do."

Yes, the SWAMI isn't cheap, but the pro version that's sold to practitioners is even more expensive, and you need training before you can  buy it. It's a bargain for what it is- but it IS a lot of money to shell out at once.  You can update it if your health or weight changes, and so far all the updates have been included.


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Well, I am disappointed.

To me, owning and running "a program" implies that one can change inputs, test hypotheses, and get various results.  What I received for my purchase was the ability to generate one food list for one individual. I like my list, and I am getting great benefit from that food list, but the product description on SWAMI Xpress seems like a mis-use of the word "program."

Yes, a close re-reading of the product description shows me that it was my own assumptions that mislead me, and nothing else. Still, ... an explanation of the details of how my unique list was generated, and the ability to tweak the inputs & weighting does not seem too much to ask.
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Still, ... an explanation of the details of how my unique list was generated, and the ability to tweak the inputs & weighting does not seem too much to ask.


As someone who had the opportunity to play with the portion of the program (during early development of SWAMI) that could tweak the inputs and weighting, I can assure you that it is a lot easier to screw up when you have that ability. Even the version of SWAMI that practitioners use, somewhat more complex than SWAMI-X, is simpler than that by way of limiting choices. And all that the much better for it, as far as I'm concerned.



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Hello, Delphinus, and welcome!
I can't even imagine the numbers of combinations, permutations, bits, bytes, data, factors involved.
Looking only at the BTD,
then looking at the Live Right (includes Secretor Status) BTD,
then looking at the Genotype Diet,
your order is - already! - a very tall one. Why?
Let's say Dr. D'Adamo has found that Blood type H is more prone to "whateverosis", "cancer of the frammis", "yadayadarthritis", and epidermal such&such-oma. Let's say Blood Type H is also susceptible to certain lectins in certain specific foods, gets indigestion, and, when combined with certain genetic/racial traits and/or certain climate factors and...OKAY? All that stuff might be factored, already, into the Blood Type or Genotype Diet and impossible to explain with respect to the 400-some-odd (?) rated foods. There's overlap between factors, for one thing. Dr. D'Adamo would have to write a separate 1000-page volume - at least - explaining the proposed diet of ONLY the H-non-secretor!
Now multiply that by some ridiculous factor to find the explanations required in SWAMI.  

I don't think this is really a Transparency issue.

So here's what I do. Bear in mind: I don't have SWAMI.
I use a book diet of Dr. D'Adamo's as a foundation. Then I permit my experience and my own experiments ("tweaks") to adjust my diet to fit my needs. Then I'm, in effect, writing my own "INDIVIDUAMI" diet.
From my experience here on the Forum, reading untold numbers of testimonies, it appears that that's precisely what folks are doing who:
Have SWAMI
Use a non-SWAMI D'Adamo Diet

I'm grateful for the general guidelines and I take it from there.
Admittedly, the D'Adamo guidelines I use are more generalized than those of SWAMI -- and that's a good thing for me, and perhaps it'd be for you (so you won't fall into the trap of believing you've reached the Rosetta Stone with software that isn't "transparent").

One of the ways SWAMI-ers here get around your problem is this:
They play with the input. They enter Diabetes and look at the results. Then they remove Diabetes and see certain foods restored and deduce that it was Diabetes that had removed them in the first place.
They do that one at a time with different factors - some do it with genetic stuff, not being sure if they should call themselves Western European or Southern European, for instance, or not being sure their Mom's hypertension should have been mentioned if it's only infrequent or labile...ETC. ETC.

So, yes, you can still play with it, I'm led to believe.
Try to work with it in SOME way. Even though I don't have SWAMI, there are those who say they need it and really are helped by it.
I personally would find it very confusing, I think, and I'm someone who can juggle/cope with numerous languages and challenges and then some! It would distract me from my own intuitive choices and process. But, again, I have respect for those who use SWAMI and enjoy it.
Search your own temperament, perhaps, for the answer.

You and I are both Bs. Sweating the Small Stuff is not our way.  
Dig deep into your genetic memory. Remember our traversing the Steppe, the vast deserts, contemplating the stars, from oasis to oasis.
Find your B footing. Find your path.
Read Eat Right 4 Your Type* and Live Right 4 Your Type and remember why Dr. D'Adamo became attractive to you.
And, again, welcome, Minority Clanmate!  

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Quoted Text

    Quoted Text
Dr D:
    I applaud your interest in BTD, I just
    think that perhaps you don't understand how
    involved it is and what the learning curve
    (and expenses) are.

    I'll take a little time and help you get
    started. Let's go!



    1. Read every scientific article on ABO blood groups published since 1900.

    Not a joke. Before you start dabbling away, you better know what you are
    talking about. Pay special attention to studies which describe physiological
    and genetic  relationships. This of implies that you must have the requisite
    training in immunology, hematology, biochemisty, genetics and pathophysiology.


    2. Understand the cellular dynamics of ABO sufficient to develop appropriate
    technique.

    Understand the molecular biology and elemental cytology behind ABH secretion,
    gut glycosylation and membrane dynamics. Understand the mechanics of cell
    membrane manipulation techniques, such as  basic cell washing techniques, DTT
    de-antigenation and membrane electrical zeta potential. Understand and
    execute capably various direct and indirect antiglobulin techniques (Coombs
    testing).  Possess  basic cytology/histology apparatus (incubators, cell
    culture materials) to propagate organ-specific cell lines.

    3. Capably and reliably execute various ABO related serological techniques.


    Understand and perform capably saline titration of anti A, anti-B and anti-AB
    IgM antibodies with serum titer determination. Comprehend and perform
    capably anti-A and anti-B IgG1-4 block (ala Kabat and Weiner) titration.

    4. Develop proper extraction technique for lectins and other biologically
    active food constituents.

    Have access to an research grade electrophoresis device and understand
    capably the techniques of gel immunoelectrophoresis and immuno-diffusion.
    Possess a full range of cell growth adjuvants that allow in vitro lectins to
    behave as in biological conditions.  Perform and understand various techniques
    of lymphocyte blastogenesis and mitogen studies.  Undertand lectin
    specificities and competitive inhibition techniques involving blocking sugars.





    Now, on top of eveything else, do this for a minimum of five years.  Shorter
    than that and I'm probably not going to believe your results.

    Now,  you might think I an being facetious, but this is reality. If you want
    to drop foods on slides of your blood, that's fine. But there is 100% chance
    that any reaction you observe is simply the changes that blood undergoes once
    it is out of the body.

    On the old board we had a bright girl, who was convinced that she could figure
    out her husband's needs better than the book. Oh, she dropped all sorts of
    stuff on his blood, and analysed it with a toy microscope and announced with
    great solemnity that he did not react to wheat, but reacted to spelt, etc.,
    and how mad he was at me for complicating his life.

    Of course, in reality, wheat lectin is not a powerful enough lectin with which
    to observe any agglutination; you need more sophisticated technology. She was
    just observing clots and whatever other artifacts that had developed.



let me know if you need for me to fish out more!! lol

oh and before I forget!  tomatoes are a diamond food for us gatherers!!


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Delphinus
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Quoted from san j
Hello, Delphinus, and welcome!
I can't even imagine the numbers of combinations, permutations, bits, bytes, data, factors involved.
Looking only at the BTD,
then looking at the Live Right (includes Secretor Status) BTD,
then looking at the Genotype Diet,
your order is - already! - a very tall one. Why?
Let's say Dr. D'Adamo has found that Blood type H is more prone to "whateverosis", "cancer of the frammis", "yadayadarthritis", and epidermal such&such-oma. Let's say Blood Type H is also susceptible to certain lectins in certain specific foods, gets indigestion, and, when combined with certain genetic/racial traits and/or certain climate factors and...OKAY? All that stuff might be factored, already, into the Blood Type or Genotype Diet and impossible to explain with respect to the 400-some-odd (?) rated foods. There's overlap between factors, for one thing. Dr. D'Adamo would have to write a separate 1000-page volume - at least - explaining the proposed diet of ONLY the H-non-secretor!
Now multiply that by some ridiculous factor to find the explanations required in SWAMI.  

I don't think this is really a Transparency issue.



Thank you for the warm welcome san j and all others.  I think the entire BTD and Genotype approach are brilliant and lifesaving notions. I am a big fan.

I have already played quite a bit with the toggles that are available ... and tried to draw conclusions from the result. It is tough, because in order to glean any knowledge at all, one has to sift through the entire listing every time and hope to be able to catch the changes ... a way to highlight changes that result from simple input changes would be a huge boon in usability.

The program really could use more toggle options to easily just turn Genotype on and off, or to vary its weight, or to turn Aunt Mary's what-ever-osis on and off, or to change it's weight, and so on -- all inputs should be adjustable in order for it to be a useful tool from my perspective. Maybe the Pro version does much of that ... anyone who would like to gift me a version should feel free ...

The difficulty is not that the calculations are so hard with each new perturbation; those calculations have already been written into the code and would automatically happen; that hard work has already been done (Hallelujah!). The issue is one of the interface. The issue is allowing more control over which calculations will be included, or will be excluded, for any given iteration. That is not hard at all. It is just the interface. Why be so stingy about including such control?  We are not talking Schedule II Drugs here, we are talking peanut butter and spelt bread, for heaven's sake.

Dr. D'Adamo would NOT have to write a separate 1000-page volume explaining each unique perturbation -- the program can write that for you -- that is the whole point (as I understand it).

I am not of a fan of SWAMI Xpress. I think it is a rip off.   70 bucks to generate one list after I already have purchased a couple of books seems way uncool. Give me an actual computer program if you are going to charge me that kind of loot, please. How does one qualify to get the Pro version and what is its cost?
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Dear lola,

Thank you for your input. Yes, I did read that quoted text in the earlier cited 2008 thread. It does cause one to reflect on the talent, skill and perseverance it took to generate this system over many years of work. We should honor Dr D for his accomplishment.

That he is willing to share his achievement with us is humbling, indeed.

Yours,
Delphinus  
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which is your genotype?
you can add it in member center


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Explorer.

Thanks ... I had to fumble around a bit to discover that the "Personal Message" field controlled the content in that space.

What is that "Winter: Hidden Potential" all about? Is my 'potential hidden' because I am a Newbie? Are those ribbons some kind of status indicator in the community? Do they upgrade with the number of posts or with Trust Points, or Admin status, or something? Do I control what appears there, or is that assigned?

You know, I have a question about how firm my Genotype designation is, too. When I determined it using the book, it was a near thing whether I would classify as Explorer or as Nomad. SWAMI isn't showing me if it is using 100% Explorer weighting or some admixture of several Genotypes.
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SWAMI isn't showing me if it is using 100% Explorer weighting or some admixture of several Genotypes.


No one is 100% anything. Frequently your 'label' is in the 50-60% range. Treat the label as a general tendency rather than a definition, and contributing a greater weight to your individual makeup.

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Dear Lloyd,

Thank you for your response.  So, how does SWAMI handle that ?  

If I am {50% Explorer/40%Nomad/10% something else} how does SWAMI incorporate that into the calculus? Which Genotype or admixture of genotypes is it using?  Or is it just using the raw component measurements (ulnar loops and limb ratios and such) to correlate to food tolerances?

(this is what I mean about more transparency would help my understanding and confidence in the results -- plus I would like a slider bar so that I can tweak my % this and % that to see how that affects my food recommendations -- that would help me see how sensitive the results are to a precise knowledge of genotype and the other inputs.)
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Which Genotype or admixture of genotypes is it using?  Or is it just using the raw component measurements (ulnar loops and limb ratios and such) to correlate to food tolerances?


Type B would be a mix of Nomad, Explorer and Gatherer.

The raw component measures as you call them are used in the calculation of GenoType. They are also used to help determine epigentic influences, which are used in determining food values.

I would not use the term food tolerances in this context.

Have you read the GT book yet? These and other questions are answered there.

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What is that "Winter: Hidden Potential" all about? Is my 'potential hidden' because I am a Newbie? Are those ribbons some kind of status indicator in the community? Do they upgrade with the number of posts or with Trust Points, or Admin status, or something? Do I control what appears there, or is that assigned?


The seasons are assigned.

Winter indicates that you have made between 0 and 9 posts.

When you reach ten posts it becomes Early Spring.
When you reach 30 posts it becomes Spring: Growth, peace.
When you reach 50 posts it becomes Summer: Realization, expansion.
When you reach 100 posts it becomes Autumn: Harvest, success.
When you reach 500 posts it becomes Ee Dan ...

More on the belt system at: http://www.dadamo.com/txt/index.pl?5008


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I think the price of a SWAMI is a bargain. It costs more than 70 bucks to go to the doctor. I think healthy eating would avoid several doctors visits as well as give you good health.
Mine isnt perfect either, but it gives me info I need. I don't do everything it says, but I have a guideline to use.

Before I knew the price, I thought it would cost a few hundred dollars. If I went for blood tests and a doctor's visit, it might cost that much.

Remember that Dr. D isn't God. He's a gifted person who has done a lot of research that gives us the type of info no other generation before ours had the privilege to receive. We are truly blessed and I am so thankful.

To know all the technical reasoning behind each food would be fascinating, but not practical for us to know.
Maybe someday, there will be reference volumes we can look at. That is up to Dr. D and I feel he is generous with info and may someday do that. Meanwhile, let's eat right and enjoy.

Welcome to this friendly forum and keep asking questions. You will get good advice.
Where are you from and what is your general age? That helps us know each other and we can help each other better.


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
I think the price of a SWAMI is a bargain. It costs more than 70 bucks to go to the doctor. I think healthy eating would avoid several doctors visits as well as give you good health.
Mine isnt perfect either, but it gives me info I need. I don't do everything it says, but I have a guideline to use.

Before I knew the price, I thought it would cost a few hundred dollars. If I went for blood tests and a doctor's visit, it might cost that much.

Remember that Dr. D isn't God. He's a gifted person who has done a lot of research that gives us the type of info no other generation before ours had the privilege to receive. We are truly blessed and I am so thankful.

To know all the technical reasoning behind each food would be fascinating, but not practical for us to know.
Maybe someday, there will be reference volumes we can look at. That is up to Dr. D and I feel he is generous with info and may someday do that. Meanwhile, let's eat right and enjoy.

Welcome to this friendly forum and keep asking questions. You will get good advice.
Where are you from and what is your general age? That helps us know each other and we can help each other better.


I agree with all but PLEASE DR. D - would you take a little time and rate Heavy Cream?!!!         
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What is that "Winter: Hidden Potential" all about? Is my 'potential hidden' because I am a Newbie? Are those ribbons some kind of status indicator in the community? Do they upgrade with the number of posts or with Trust Points, or Admin status, or something? Do I control what appears there, or is that assigned?
It's kind of a mystery.
Back in 2008 or so, the Website underwent some technical changes, and in the transition I went from a Kyosha Nim Columnist/Blogger to just a Columnist/Blogger, and many of my blogs were simply erased irretrievably; I had to go back to my own print-outs of those blogs and reenter them one by one, over the course of months!
I never bothered about the so-called "Kyosha Nim" (have no idea what it means) because it has no relevance, apparently; almost a decade and a few thousand posts later, I'm still contributing here without missing a beat, so I wouldn't worry about it, B.    


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churned cream turns to butter, no?


Yes, after it throws off the buttermilk (not the cultured buttermilk purchased at a store), which gets drained off. The buttermilk would contain milk proteins and sugars, just like regular milk, and presumably be an avoid for O's under the BTD.

Perhaps the new edition of ER4YT  will sheds some light.

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Yes, after it throws off the buttermilk (not the cultured buttermilk purchased at a store), which gets drained off. The buttermilk would contain milk proteins and sugars, just like regular milk, and presumably be an avoid for O's under the BTD.

Perhaps the new edition of ER4YT  will sheds some light.


So what does this mean  that the cream would still contain the avoid substances?  Forgive me for my "early morning non comprehending brain!"  
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I think the price of a SWAMI is a bargain. It costs more than 70 bucks to go to the doctor ...

Generating a Food List and a trip to the Doctor are not equivalent. SWAMI is a Food List generator. Indeed, the suggestions here mostly indicate that to get the value I was expecting, a further trip to "a practitioner" is required. So, the comparison kind of fails, for me. Thank you, though.



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To know all the technical reasoning behind each food would be fascinating, but not practical for us to know.

Interesting assumption.  the intent of Dr D'adamo's books seems to me to be: to give as much of that reasoning to the reader as is practical in book form. The digital format of SWAMI has the potential, if fully utilized, to make that info so much more accessible and so much more personalized. I merely suggest more transparency in the program would make it a more useful tool. (Yes, this is my personal opinion -- thank you for having a forum where I may express it.)


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Lloyd
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So what does this mean  that the cream would still contain the avoid substances?  Forgive me for my "early morning non comprehending brain!"  


Yes. It's still all about compliance levels though. If you are truly using amounts that fall within the compliance level you need, then enjoy. On the other hand it is not a license to indulge freely without concern or awareness.
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Yes. It's still all about compliance levels though. If you are truly using amounts that fall within the compliance level you need, then enjoy. On the other hand it is not a license to indulge freely without concern or awareness.


Ok... so how do I know what the compliance level is Lloyd since Heavy Cream itself if listed on my Swami anywhere  
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