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My husband and I are having a disagreement over rice bran oil, an oil we've used for many years. I'm mostly concerned about rice bran oil though.

He has been doing extensive research [online] on vegetable oils -mostly rice bran oil I think- and tells me that virtually all liquid oils are made with a process that takes about "fifty steps" and all are processed with hexane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane

The processing with hexane creates free radicals .  He now believes that all liquid oil [except I guess, cold-pressed olive oil] are loaded with free radicals and unhealthy to eat.

This is a video he watched that convinced him to never use liquid vegetable oils again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKdYUCUca8

Is there anyone here that knows anything about refined oil processing, or has evidence that rice oil is NOT loaded with "free radicals?"


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My husband and I are having a disagreement over rice bran oil, an oil we've used for many years. I'm mostly concerned about rice bran oil though.

He has been doing extensive research [online] on vegetable oils -mostly rice bran oil I think- and tells me that virtually all liquid oils are made with a process that takes about "fifty steps" and all are processed with hexane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane

The processing with hexane creates free radicals .  He now believes that all liquid oil [except I guess, cold-pressed olive oil] are loaded with free radicals and unhealthy to eat.

This is a video he watched that convinced him to never use liquid vegetable oils again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKdYUCUca8

Is there anyone here that knows anything about refined oil processing, or has evidence that rice oil is NOT loaded with "free radicals?"

1. I have never posted about rice bran oil on this Forum or anywhere, until earlier this morning. Funny thing.
2. You and your husband might read labels and find vegetal oils that say something like: "Extracted Without Hexane" -- I'm looking at one right now.  



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Could you please share the product/brand please?


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"Cold Pressed" oil is the result of an Expeller process, exclusively, to extract it.
It is not chemically extracted, a process requiring HEAT + CHEMICAL SOLVENTS.
http://oureverydaylife.com/cold-pressed-vs-expeller-pressed-35978.html
As for your question:
How many brands are available to consumers, including chefs and natural food companies, that are Expeller Pressed and even Cold Pressed, without hexane? Any "unrefined" oil!

This is from Whole Foods Market:
"Vegetable oils can be extracted by one of two major methods: They can be expeller pressed (a mechanical process which literally squeezes the oil out of the vegetable) or solvent extracted (a chemical process whereby a solvent, usually hexane, is used to remove the oil). At Whole Foods Market, our Quality Standards require that all bottled oils in our stores be expeller pressed."
The brand of oil to which I referred was Whole Foods's "365" label.

Who else sells cold pressed oils?
Answer: Everyone!
This at Amazon.com:
I keyed into the Grocery Dept.
cold+pressed+oil

Result: 2,333 hits.

1,389 of these are "cooking and baking oils"
619 olive oils
277 coconut oils
41 sesame oils
39 avocado oils
7 grapeseed oils
AND
Hemp oils, Pine Nut oils, Black Seed oils, Macadamia Nut Oils, Flaxseed oils...
etc. etc. etc. etc....

All of these producers taking the time and energy to let the consumer/retailer know that they are not subjecting their seeds and nuts and fruits to HEAT, which hexane requires to "refine" these oils.
Yours to Enjoy!


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Minor point--rice is not a vegetable.
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Minor point--rice is not a vegetable.


Thank you. I misspoke in my original post. This is specifically about rice bran oil and hexane. My husband is wrong about all "liquid" oils. The problem is, we've been cooking with rice bran oil for a long, long time. It's a diamond on our SWAMI's. Now he won't use it.

I've got five gallons of rice oil in our freezer that is now wasted because he believes it's full of free radicals and going to make him sicker.

He is reading stuff online   and now he believes cardiac disease is a new, 20th century phenomenon in the US. That it didn't exist   before Americans started using all these refined oils with hexane.

It's more likely his inherited genetics [father died of heart disease] and the bad diet he continued to eat and not the hexane produced rice bran oil.


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Google Search terms:
"rice bran oil"+cold+pressed:

"About 200,000 results"

I don't know anything about your husband, KK,
except you do say he surfs the internet for information,
and there's nothing wrong with that, I sure don't roll my eyes at it,
but I do suggest he learn how to use a Search Engine!  

http://www.google.com/search?q......16.1632.TYlzmoDFZfs

NOW: Having said that, see my next post!


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KK:
Back in my aromatherapy days, one of the carrier oils most famous for containing solvents was "Grapeseed Oil", and I always cautioned newbies to Make Sure It Is Cold Pressed! When cold pressed, it's cloudier than the solvent-cleared product, but even so it's a reasonably priced oil, used mostly for these epidermal applications...really a beautiful massage oil!

Well: Guess what: Rice Bran Oil, too, is widely known as a skin care oil, and, like Grapeseed oil, it's hard to find unrefined!
So Hubby is correct there.
BUT: You're likelier to find unrefined, cold pressed Rice Bran Oil in the SKIN/Body Care DEPT. There you're more likely to find both Grapeseed and Rice Bran Oils that are cold-pressed, because customers in those departments started demanding it, 15-20 years ago. If you go to Amazon, for instance, and look for rice bran oil in the skin care/ body care dept., you're sure to find it!

But here's why it's harder to find it UNREFINED in "Grocery":

REFINED Rice Bran Oil is extremely popular ---- for FRYING! ---- it has a very high smoke point and brings a pleasant taste to fried foods. Folks just love fryin' up tons o' taters and hush-puppies (etc.) in it. So, I sympathize with you in this. Delicious FRIED food isn't easy to achieve, and you 'n Hubby found one of the secrets: Clear, refined rice bran oil. Yum. You'll find it in big gallon jugs for those big Southern fish fries, chicken fries, Fried Turkey, you name it.

Now: Even if it's for skin care: If it's 100% pure and cold pressed, it's edible, but probably has a far lower smoke-point, just like any unrefined oil versus its refined form. As long as you're not deep-frying/ hot-wokking, you can usually use virgin oils, such as this one, and Grapeseed, and Almond oil and Walnut oil, to slow sauté.
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Incidentally, if you have horses, their coats do phenomenally well with...Rice Bran Oil.  


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Minor point--rice is not a vegetable.


Vegetable here means that the oil is derived from a plant not an animal.


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This makes me wonder about my mayo. Which of course is not the healthiest of foods but the one I buy appears to be the healthiest choice available. It is canola oil BUT it is non GMO expeller pressed. Gluten, dairy and egg free. Wouldn't that make it SOMEWHAT healthier? Sometimes I just need some on my tuna!  


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This makes me wonder about my mayo. Which of course is not the healthiest of foods but the one I buy appears to be the healthiest choice available. It is canola oil BUT it is non GMO expeller pressed. Gluten, dairy and egg free. Wouldn't that make it SOMEWHAT healthier? Sometimes I just need some on my tuna!  


It would be healthier than some other canola oil that is available.

The nutrient profile would remain unchanged. I don't know how it rates on your SWAMI but it is neutral for a type O secretor.
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It's a black dot on my SWAMI but I tend to lean closer to BT than SWAMI. I just pretty much avoid avoids and they tend to remain consistant on both. After 7 years of BT/ SWAMI I have figured out a pretty good diet. I do occasionally have a few Brussels sprouts, especially around holidays but my thyroid is good. If anything on the higher side but my last blood work it as perfectly in the middle.

Thanks for your input Lloyd. I used to eat a lot more than I do now but sometimes I just gotta have it!!!


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Mother, I know you eat avocado for blood sugar stability and there is an avocado mayo from Primal Kitchen on my supermarket shelf that you might like (if your budget allows - it's on Amazon for $11.89 for 12 oz.  😮 )  
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Thanks Karen! My budget does allow it but I heard it's very bitter!
Not sure I need to get more avocado into my days either haha
Lately I've been using EVOO for the most part but that of course isn't creamy like mayo so not at all the same thing.

Have you tried it?


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This makes me wonder about my mayo. Which of course is not the healthiest of foods but the one I buy appears to be the healthiest choice available. It is canola oil BUT it is non GMO expeller pressed. Gluten, dairy and egg free. Wouldn't that make it SOMEWHAT healthier? Sometimes I just need some on my tuna!  
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It's a black dot on my SWAMI but I tend to lean closer to BT than SWAMI. I just pretty much avoid avoids and they tend to remain consistant on both. After 7 years of BT/ SWAMI I have figured out a pretty good diet. I do occasionally have a few Brussels sprouts, especially around holidays but my thyroid is good. If anything on the higher side but my last blood work it as perfectly in the middle.
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Lately I've been using EVOO for the most part but that of course isn't creamy like mayo so not at all the same thing.

What you have to figure, too, re: your mayonnaise, is:
How much of this stuff are you eating? 1/4 cup per day? even per week?
or:
One teaspoonful every couple of weeks?
I think of how long I'm working the same little jar of mayo in my own fridge...
I could count how many jars of mayo I've used over the past decade, and it's not much.

So, the amount of mayonnaise you consume is an important factor, IMO.
In any case, your mayo-status-quo is working for you!
I know you're someone who eats plenty of a certain Avoid every single day.

You've told us, above, you're doing very well on the diet you've designed for yourself. Your mayonnaise has not interfered.
I say Congratulate yourself on your accomplishment.


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I have tried the avocado mayo and I didn't find it bitter at all.  I almost never use it and when I do it's very sparingly.  The vinegar in it is horrible for my acidic system.
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Thanks Karen.  I'll look at WF today

SAN j. I used to eat a lot of  it! I'm using more EVOO now. It's not the Avoid status that I'm concerned with, it's the CANOLA  part. I do do fine with it. I have an 80% fat diet and it's hard to find enough healthy fats.  I need to minimize nuts ( kidney stones) and they can raise my blood sugar too. I minimize saturated fat and eat no dairy. Now you're telling me no olives ( haha. Just kidding). I do eat a few kalamata or green olives but hardly filling foods. I thrive on creamy and gooey foods so there's not a lot of choices

As I side note to you, I've been bumping up protein a little lately and tried less avocado at lunch and my bs stunk.  Again to even remind myself it is the most stabilizing food for my bs. Keeps everything low and slow.

I'm finding your info on Mozzi quite interesting. Keep putting it out there!


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...Now you're telling me no olives ( haha. Just kidding). I do eat a few kalamata or green olives but hardly filling foods. I thrive on creamy and gooey foods so there's not a lot of choices

As I side note to you, I've been bumping up protein a little lately and tried less avocado at lunch and my bs stunk.  Again to even remind myself it is the most stabilizing food for my bs. Keeps everything low and slow.

I'm finding your info on Mozzi quite interesting. Keep putting it out there!

Olives, avocados: You're totally on your own. Policing is Not My Thang!  
Creamy/gooey: Good for Vata!
Going off the diet that works for you: Why is that a "side note to" me? Don't worry, be happy. Eat whatever you like!
Mozzi: I supplied link(s). He has written a book; I think it's his wife who has written a two-volume cookbook, too. You can find them at Amazon as well as at his website.
I don't have a Mozzi Mission here. I just find some of his input interesting.  



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KK:
Use "rice bran oil" "cold pressed" as your key phrases in an Amazon search, and you'll be shown some brands you can order that are unrefined, food grade rice bran oils.
I recommend you buy a small bottle and then go for the quart or larger when you've found one you and your husband like.


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It was a note to you because I just thought we were having a friendly discussion about finding foods that work for ourselves. As well as ones that don't.
I certainly don't need any policing.

I find Mozzis work interesting as well but I don't read or speak Italian.


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Olives, avocados: You're totally on your own. Policing is Not My Thang!  
Creamy/gooey: Good for Vata!
Going off the diet that works for you: Why is that a "side note to" me? Don't worry, be happy. Eat whatever you like!
Mozzi: I supplied link(s). He has written a book; I think it's his wife who has written a two-volume cookbook, too. You can find them at Amazon as well as at his website.

I don't have a Mozzi Mission here. I just find some of his input interesting.  
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SanJ.
It was a note to you because I just thought we were having a friendly discussion about finding foods that work for ourselves. As well as ones that don't.
I certainly don't need any policing.

I find Mozzis work interesting as well but I don't read or speak Italian.

Hello, there.
Firstly - is someone policing you?   It seems you're misunderstanding. We were indeed having a friendly discussion...I thought so, anyway.
Re: Mozzi: Among the linked materials are Food Lists (beneficial/neutral/avoid) for each of the four blood types - he doesn't use Secretor Status. And there you'll find the items listed, just as you do in the D'Adamo literature. It's not hard to use an Italian-English dictionary (or Google) to translate the one-word food items, one at a time for your blood type.
I read Italian very well, but I'm occasionally stumped by unfamiliar food items and have to look them up. It takes a couple of minutes, but I do it, and in fact did quite a bit of it to introduce y'all, friends, to the man's work. An act of friendship, indeed.  


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Thanks so much for your time. I'm sure it's as valuable to you as it is to me. You know I have to ask. If he doesn't use secretor status, how does he rate AVOCADO??   Haha. Inquiring minds need to know


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Avocado-Sconsigliati (Advised against eating) For Blood Type O (Most ratings Mozzi uses are lifted from D'Adamo's publications)


http://dietagrupposanguigno.net/blog/2015/07/10/la-dieta-del-gruppo-0/  


As San J suggest you can use online translation tools to translate the web page:

https://translate.google.com/

(Enter the page URL instead of text to translate the whole page)


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Thanks so much for your time. I'm sure it's as valuable to you as it is to me. You know I have to ask. If he doesn't use secretor status, how does he rate AVOCADO??   Haha. Inquiring minds need to know
Avocado-Sconsigliati (Advised against eating) For Blood Type O (Most ratings Mozzi uses are lifted from D'Adamo's publications)


http://dietagrupposanguigno.net/blog/2015/07/10/la-dieta-del-gruppo-0/  

See? He took you literally and answered the rhetorical question you posed.  
@C_Sharp: She's wondering how he can rate Avocado for every O, seeing as it's Beneficial for O nonnies.  

Ah, internet Fora: Enter friends; Part enemies.    or at best baffled at misunderstandings...
Partly a function of the medium itself, I fear.
But do follow the link and take a look at his ratings, with your translator app/link, even if you don't have time to translate the whole article. And the article can be translated with a dictionary/app a paragraph at a time, then come back to it fresh another day, especially if you have some rusty Spanish/French/Portuguese/Latin in your background. I have used these languages interchangeably with native speakers (like my ancient friend Marcus -- only kidding) and been understood. You're plenty motivated and it's a great exercise in neuroplasticity!


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