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A few weeks ago I was reading The Genotype Diet and found myself having the same sort of "Aha" moments I had when I first read Dr. D'Adamo's Eat Right 4 Your Type in 1996.

Timing must indeed be Everything, because, back in 2007-8, when this later book came out, and I tested quickly and unequivocally Nomad, the diet didn't "speak to" me. I pretty much set it aside. And, frankly, I didn't really understand it.  

Okay, well, I still don't understand it   , but: I noticed that the personal "tweaks" I'd been developing, on the B-secretor diet, were taking me into Nomad territory!

The most obvious thing was the Cheeses. The BTD was pointing to the soft, young, fresh cheeses - the chèvre, mozzarella and ricotta - as opposed to the harder aged cheeses -- but the only cheese I make the effort to keep on hand at all times is Parmesan, with occasional Gruyère or Manchego or aged Cotija ...
And Milk? A B-secretor beneficial, but a Nomad AVOID. I think I've had, like, a cumulative half-gallon of milk in the fridge at some points over the past 15 years. I used to use a teaspoon of cream in my morning cup of coffee, but 2-1/4 years ago I felt like stopping that and haven't looked back.
I've also been moving away from bread (and by that I mean wheat), and sure enough, the Nomad is supposed to avoid Wheat!
There are a few more things, like Tangerines as a Nomad superfood, while Oranges go AVOID! ... and this winter I actually did buy mandarines a few times, for the first time in decades...
and really appreciating the flavors of mushrooms, which, it turns out, are virtually all diamond superfoods for Nomads...
--ingredient by ingredient, year by year--
so I said,
Okay, I'll give this a go.

So I'm trying the GT6 Nomad diet for awhile.
The Black Dot thing seems to make more sense for me on this diet than it did from afar, i.e., from the BTD.
The "BIG AVOIDS" for the B-secretor are: Chicken, Peanuts, Lentils, Buckwheat, Sesame, Tomatoes, and Corn -- but now, the first three are "black dot" and seem fine for me (Neutral), while the four AVOIDS are definitely AVOIDS.
Two foods that newly become AVOIDS are Sugar and Black Tea,
and many foods get upgraded to Superfood (diamond) - whole eggs, turkey, STILTON, limes, pecans, ev coconut oil, and plenty more. Nomads should be big fish eaters, apparently, and my beloved citrus fruits are also exalted.

Again, much about this diet is a confirmation of what I'm already doing.
But now I'm trying the Wheat-Free thing, as well as happily owning my previously-backwards taste in cheeses.
(No, I'm actually not going for the (diamond superfood) Beer.   )

Now we'll see how I tweak this one. Already I notice I'm hardly ever reaching for the (black) pepper mill (black dot) -- unexpected; I don't know what that's about. I also didn't care for Kefir before, but I don't seem to mind it now. And a few more things, too...

Some people grow with SWAMI.
As for me, my INDIVIDUAMI evolves...


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Well as i wrote before
- I prefer my swami B nomad diet over the genotype nomad diet -so many unnecessary avoids for me in the book- like full fat dairy is stil superfood for me in my swami.
For me the biggest difference is the role of spelt etc.
I am almost grain and glutenfree today and it works so much better.


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Quoted from Lola
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enjoy!

next station toward personalized is swami

small steps, no rush

Actually, my system is more personalized than SWAMI.
Many, many SWAMI'ers on this Forum "tweak" their SWAMI recommendations,
knowing better themselves. That "knowing" is what SWAMI helps some people to get in touch with.
Isn't this a good example:
As I've said, I was individualizing the BTD in a "Nomad" direction by following my own well-being, long before deciding to test GT6.
On what basis? That "knowing". "What feels right" is what we help many here to define.
I was doing "personalized" when using the BTD, and -for a time- Ayurveda,
and long before both of those. Long before Peter published anything.

I know you enjoy SWAMI, Lola, and I'm truly glad you're doing well with it.  
I'm glad that anyone here is doing well with Dr. D'Adamo's input, however he or she chooses to use it.
Me, I'm currently checking out GT6, in conjunction with INDIVIDUAMI stuff I hadn't gotten around to before, such as testing GreenDrink formulas, and using flaxseed, and other stuff...
(At my Whole Foods there's a good variety of green-drink flavors/products available as single-use samples, in packets, so I'm tasting many of these.)


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Well as i wrote before
- I prefer my swami B nomad diet over the genotype nomad diet -so many unnecessary avoids for me in the book- like full fat dairy is stil superfood for me in my swami.
For me the biggest difference is the role of spelt etc.
I am almost grain and glutenfree today and it works so much better.

Yes, HBS, I've read many of your posts, telling of how SWAMI has recommended a mix of B-sec and Nomad. Interesting that, without SWAMI, I was recommending something of a mix myself.
You say, "...full fat dairy is stil superfood for me in my swami." On that basis you prefer SWAMI's individualizing, to GT6. I prefer individualizing, too. But INDIVIDUAMI is my mediator. INDIVIDUAMI led me to drop cream more than two years ago and to cut back on fresh cheese, though I still enjoy hard cheeses and sometimes butter.

So - nothing new - I'm still following what works for me in real time.

Years ago, the BTD-sec diet jibed better with my own needs/well-being/practice than it does now. At this point, my diet looks somewhat more Nomad-like.
I do notice that most black-dots are neutrals, but some do have a "modest/infrequent use" caveat.

See how exact my INDIVIDUAMI is?  


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One thing I'd say about that Advanced Calculator - it gets a few credibility points with me because of the cheese thing - at this point in my life,
for its so easily distinguishing mine from the other two B genotypes (Gatherer and Explorer) whose Superfood cheeses are the young, fresh ones. The Nomad definitely stands out from those two AND even from B-sec (LR4YT) in that way.
The Egg (whole chicken egg) is also a Nomad Diamond Superfood, whereas for Bsec it was just a neutral. I'm guilty of eating far, far too few of them - I rediscover their wonderfulness every now and again, to the point of waxing poetic - but they are definitely a protein-power-pack of a weight-loss food for me, whereas for Gatherers they are Superfoods with no particular weight-loss benefit, and for Explorers a black-dot.

So, we'll see how I do with this when I catch my stride. May take awhile...may not.


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I think that both GenoType and SWAMI get the cheeses all wrong for me. I have a few soft cheeses as neutrals, but I don't really tolerate any of them.  Any dairy, other than butter or ghee, sets me up for intense cheese cravings, and then I end up eating so much dairy that I get symptoms: short temper, congestion, a worsening of fibromyalgia symptoms.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I think that both GenoType and SWAMI get the cheeses all wrong for me. I have a few soft cheeses as neutrals, but I don't really tolerate any of them.  Any dairy, other than butter or ghee, sets me up for intense cheese cravings, and then I end up eating so much dairy that I get symptoms: short temper, congestion, a worsening of fibromyalgia symptoms.
Hi ruthiegirl.
1. Dr. D'Adamo isn't claiming that permitted foods remain "good for you" when you eat them to the point of sickness...just that they're permitted ("neutral", in your cheese example) when used according to his recommended portions.
What would happen if you simply ate recommended portions - or less - of Neutral cheeses?
Nonetheless, it looks like you're following your own INDIVIDUAMI, which says:
Altogether-Avoid substances that are, for you, addictive. In this case: INDIVIDUAMI: 1; SWAMI: 0.

2. Your point is well taken re: both GTD and SWAMI being imperfect -- "get[ting] the cheeses all wrong", for instance. You're corroborating my point - thanks! - that the Ideal is, rather, the refinement of our own (ongoing) knowledge [INDIVIDUAMI] of what works for us. That knowledge is something a book or computer program -- or even a clinician in his or her office -- cannot have, even while all can be helpful in suggesting possibilities/direction.


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New product hawked at Whole Foods today:
Big Island Organics' "Hawaiian Gingerade", with only water plus 3 Nomad superfood ingredients:
Yellow Ginger juice, lemon juice, and agave syrup.

http://www.bigislandorganics.net/

Drinking some now.  

The linked page shows the Noni (Noni replaces my juice's ginger) Lemonade
and the YerbaMaté Lemonade (my lemonade PLUS the YM),
as well as the Lemonade itself.


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Quoted from san j
New product hawked at Whole Foods today:
Big Island Organics' "Hawaiian Gingerade", with only water plus 3 Nomad superfood ingredients:
Yellow Ginger juice, lemon juice, and agave syrup.

http://www.bigislandorganics.net/

Drinking some now.  

The linked page shows the Noni (Noni replaces my juice's ginger) Lemonade
and the YerbaMaté Lemonade (my lemonade PLUS the YM),
as well as the Lemonade itself.


No doubt it tastes great but it's pretty high in sugar.  The 16oz. bottle is considered two servings, so the entire bottle has 34 grams of sugar.

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Nutritional Info
Serving Size: 8fl. oz (240 mL) Servings Per Container about 2 Amount per serving Calories 68 Calories from Fat 0 Total Fat 0g Saturated Fat 0g Trans Fat 0g Sodium 0 mg Total Carbohydrates 17g 6% Daily Value Sugars 17g Protein 0g Vitamin C 20% Percent values are based on a 2,000 Calorie Diet


http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/.....cle.jsp#.V6XZp1c67R0

Consuming the entire bottle would exceed the recommended daily allowance of sugar for a woman.  Just saying' . . .
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It's a sugary soft drink. I'll take ginger kombucha any day. Only 2g sugar per serving, and delicious!
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Quoted from san j

Actually, my system is more personalized than SWAMI.
Many, many SWAMI'ers on this Forum "tweak" their SWAMI recommendations,
knowing better themselves. That "knowing" is what SWAMI helps some people to get in touch with.
Isn't this a good example:
As I've said, I was individualizing the BTD in a "Nomad" direction by following my own well-being, long before deciding to test GT6.
On what basis? That "knowing". "What feels right" is what we help many here to define.
I was doing "personalized" when using the BTD, and -for a time- Ayurveda,
and long before both of those. Long before Peter published anything.

I know you enjoy SWAMI, Lola, and I'm truly glad you're doing well with it.  
I'm glad that anyone here is doing well with Dr. D'Adamo's input, however he or she chooses to use it.
Me, I'm currently checking out GT6, in conjunction with INDIVIDUAMI stuff I hadn't gotten around to before, such as testing GreenDrink formulas, and using flaxseed, and other stuff...
(At my Whole Foods there's a good variety of green-drink flavors/products available as single-use samples, in packets, so I'm tasting many of these.)


It is my opinion that SWAMI has many benefits over the books.  The most important benefit is the expansion of the individual food lists for each category.  These expansive food lists are more personalized than the books or TypeBase, since they have incorporated our specific family and personal histories and some genetic information if you have it.

I think many of us DO tweak our SWAMI's but most of those tweaks come in the form of ELIMINATING certain foods or categories of foods that are problematic when eaten.  For instance, I've eliminated almost all grains and dairy, but do eat compliant ones on occasion.  I just don't do as well on them anymore.  Most of us are not ADDING foods that we decide are good for us unless there is a specific reason.  Mother's avocado comes to mind.  Brussels sprouts and cauliflower are foods that I have added very infrequently for the specific reason that they help to eliminate heavy metals which is a problem for me.  I can only eat so much broccoli . . .

Another reason is that I found certain food values have changed.  For instance, the GenoType book lists Beef Heart as a black dot for Hunters whereas it is a superfood on my SWAMI.  

The GenoType book does not have a category for Neutral foods.  Foods are listed as Superfoods or Toxins to Limit of Avoid.  Adding in the Neutral list extensively expands those food lists.

I think SWAMI is an amazingly complex program and no two SWAMIs are alike.  Now THAT is an individualized diet plan!
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The GenoType book does not have a category for Neutral foods.  Foods are listed as Superfoods or Toxins to Limit of Avoid.  Adding in the Neutral list extensively expands those food lists.

Not looking for quantity; size isn't everything.  
My memory's good enough to retain the category "Neutral"; I in fact prefer leaving it out and am glad Dr. D'Adamo did so.

As for this thread ("B Secretor Goes Nomad"), it's about my switching from the use of LR4YT to GTD,
using INDIVIDUAMI (experience-as-teacher) to tweak it.
I'm so glad you have a program, albeit a different one, that works for you.
Everyone's happy.  


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Consuming the entire bottle would exceed the recommended daily allowance of sugar for a woman.  Just saying' . . .

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It's a sugary soft drink. I'll take ginger kombucha any day. Only 2g sugar per serving, and delicious!

I didn't measure precisely how much water I used to dilute it. Didn't think it was necessary to report it here, and I still don't.

Maybe you don't agree that simple products with only 3 or 4 clean (and Diamond-superfood) ingredients are always nice to find. But I'm happy to see them arrive on the shelves. For Bsec, sugar was Neutral.
For Nomad it is an Avoid, while
Agave (as found in this drink) is a Diamond Superfood for Nomads, as is the Ginger.
I thought those ratings were as important to you as to me, but I stand (for a change   ) corrected.  


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It's a sugary soft drink. I'll take ginger kombucha any day. Only 2g sugar per serving, and delicious!


Funny you should say that . . . I have one in my fridge right now.  I found Kombucha to be a great, low sugar, healthy alternative to the other sugary drinks on the market.
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I found Kombucha to be a great, low sugar, healthy alternative to the other sugary drinks on the market.
Yeah, but it's a black dot for Nomads, while Agave is a diamond superfood. I prefer to go for the latter. Thanks.
And a thread on "low sugar alternatives to sugary drinks" is a better idea, seeing as you do suggest others stick to the OP-intent. Thanks again.



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Yeah, but it's a black dot for Nomads, while Agave is a diamond superfood. I prefer to go for the latter. Thanks.
And a thread on "low sugar alternatives to sugary drinks" is a better idea, seeing as you do suggest others stick to the OP-intent. Thanks again.



If we are meant to stick to the topic and the thread is on a B secretor going Nomad, what does your made up theory and word, "INDIVIDUAMI" have to do with a B Secretor going Nomad?  The Nomad plan does not say anything about Individuami and I've never seen it in any of Dr. D's books or my SWAMI that it's ok to just eat what you want because you "feel" like it.  

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As I've said, I was individualizing the BTD in a "Nomad" direction by following my own well-being, long before deciding to test GT6. On what basis? That "knowing". "What feels right" is what we help many here to define.


The bigger picture here is that we are here to discuss Dr. D's diets and health.  Maybe in the bigger picture, promoting the idea that we can all alter our diets because we feel like it and what you call "knowing" is off topic and not part of the diet plans as presented by Dr. D.  It sounds like an excuse to cheat without calling it cheating.

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I didn't measure precisely how much water I used to dilute it. Didn't think it was necessary to report it here, and I still don't.


You diluted it? Good to know. Knowing this previously wouldn't change my opinion of the product as it is intended to be consumed, however.

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Maybe you don't agree that simple products with only 3 or 4 clean (and Diamond-superfood) ingredients are always nice to find.


Seriously?

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But I'm happy to see them arrive on the shelves. For Bsec, sugar was Neutral.
For Nomad it is an Avoid, while
Agave (as found in this drink) is a Diamond Superfood for Nomads, as is the Ginger.
I thought those ratings were as important to you as to me, but I stand (for a change   ) corrected.  


Seriously? They certainly are important. As important as portion size, the sole criticism of the product.
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Cotija cheese isn't listed, but I use it as I would other dry aged cheeses (they're diamonds) and like it very much.
Better than the crumbled goat cheese this B-secretor used to reach for.

The cheese guy at WFM had never tasted Cotija and asked how to use it.
Its versatility is a most attractive feature, as is the price point!

Today I had it on a superfood salad -- Lettuce, Beets (diamond), Carrots (diamond), Peas, Red Onion (diamond), Parsley (diamond). I even crumbled a bit of crushed rice-cake on top.
Nothing B-sec shattering here, though.

It's great on soups and in any dish calling for a crumbly cheese, and it does melt.
Good salt hit, like Parmesan.
Friendly to a number of cuisines.


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Liking the Nomad diet, but tweaking it.
Definitely referring to it!
Thanks again to Peter D'Adamo.


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Well as i wrote before
- I prefer my swami B nomad diet over the genotype nomad diet -so many unnecessary avoids for me in the book- like full fat dairy is stil superfood for me in my swami.
For me the biggest difference is the role of spelt etc.
I am almost grain and glutenfree today and it works so much better.

Yeah, Nomad's 2-3 portions/day of grain is not so good for me, says my INDIVIDUAMI. Maybe eventually. Right now I'm going with 0-1.
In a few weeks I'll re-test the portions...I guess you can assign "black dots" to portions (as well as foods) and just test them from time to time.
Meanwhie:
--Re-learning to cook... with e.v. coconut oil. Will play with that, as it hasn't been my ongoing practice before. Figuring out some new flavor profiles.
--Herb garden items are diamonds for Nomads, and I have been bullish on these mostly BsecNeutrals all my life, so I'm lovin' on those.
--Tho' Nomad doesn't say it, fermented vegs are good. Luckily my Whole Foods features them prominently, with a large selection of clean, ready-to-eat varieties.


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One thing I'd say about that Advanced Calculator - it gets a few credibility points with me because of the cheese thing - at this point in my life,
for its so easily distinguishing mine from the other two B genotypes (Gatherer and Explorer) whose Superfood cheeses are the young, fresh ones. The Nomad definitely stands out from those two AND even from B-sec (LR4YT) in that way.
The Egg (whole chicken egg) is also a Nomad Diamond Superfood, whereas for Bsec it was just a neutral. I'm guilty of eating far, far too few of them - I rediscover their wonderfulness every now and again, to the point of waxing poetic - but they are definitely a protein-power-pack of a weight-loss food for me, whereas for Gatherers they are Superfoods with no particular weight-loss benefit, and for Explorers a black-dot.

So, we'll see how I do with this when I catch my stride. May take awhile...may not.

WOW - the same holds true for Coconut Oil.
For us Nomads it's a diamond Superfood - but for Gatherers it's a black dot, and for Explorers it's an Avoid. For me it is turning out to be very definitely a diamond superfood...
It's something I never used on the BTD.
I haven't noticed any Nomads' posts about this lovely product - recipes, for instance.  
Maybe it's not that popular.

Hey, maybe there really is something to this GTD!  


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Coconut Aminos: Soy-free, Gluten-Free, MUCH lower sodium than "low-sodium Bragg's" or "low-sodium tamari"...
It's made from two ingredients: Aged nectar of the coconut flower [unrated by Dr. D'Adamo], and Balinese sea salt.
Tastes like tamari - "lite"...doesn't have the intense penetrative octane of the soy product, but, rather, has a faintly sweet "teriyaki"-like umami edge.
It has a big Paleo following.

I just bought my bottle at Whole Foods.
It took me 20 years to use up a bottle of Tamari in my fridge -- due to avoiding soy all these years.
So I look forward to working with this soy-free alternative.  


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I think as we eat the diet for years, our tastes change a little and our reaction to different foods may also change.  For me, it is very slight and not an indication to go hog-wild changing things. But it is interesting.


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