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 Do you tolerate gluten grains?
I'm intolerant of gluten grains (19 votes)
35.85%
I tolerate oats (10 votes)
18.87%
I tolerate spelt, but not wheat (9 votes)
16.98%
I don't tolerate oats (7 votes)
13.21%
I have no problems at all with gluten (4 votes)
7.55%
I'm fine with all non gluten grains (4 votes)
7.55%
53 Votes Total Last vote Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 10:32pm by O-Kaya
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/312001.php

I am fine with non gluten grains.
I don't tolerate oats.  I react to gluten free oats and oat bran as if I had eaten gluten.

I was never tested for celiac. I had all gastro symptoms of celiac as well as chronic diarrhea and undigested food in my stool, leaky gut, dysbiosis.......I had terrible skin problems when I was
eating gluten...  And eventually nerve damage from the chronic gastric distress.  

I gave up gluten 14 years ago and all my obvious symptoms went away.

But all these years later, I still have flattened fingerprints.  White lines.

My problems began after taking 3 separate rounds of antibiotics for Lyme disease in 1990.


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I'm fine with oats and smaller ammounts of spelt, but no wheat for me.
I am tested but I am not coeliac I do however have one of the gene mutations that could make me coeliac


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I love oatmeal. It does not like me. Puts me into a brainless stupor. Not a good way to start the day!




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Wheat damages me,no matter if i liked because it was creating a soft sweet feeling in me like if someone hugs me.
Oats,i have no problem at all,i did eat spelt and kamut during 2 and a halph years i am in 4type diet and i felt ok with them but swami has them on avoids,i have oats,bran oats,amaranthine and teff as beneficials or diamonds.
I also have white lines in fingertips.


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Interesting study, Chloe.  Thanks so much for sharing it.  I know we have had a lot of discussion on this forum regarding food intolerances and IgG reactions vs food allergies and celiac.  Now it looks like the older information, that gluten intolerance does not cause an IgG response is incorrect, if I am reading this correctly.  

I figured it might because our daughter is gluten intolerant and her IgG markers were definitely elevated.  I have no problem with gluten - never have - although I avoid it most of the time.  I, too, have had food intolerance testing and am tolerant to just about everything.

Since I do not eat it very often anymore, the only reaction I DO experience is some constipation (but that seems to be will all grains now - not just grains containing gluten) and a desire to eat more  
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I'm not celiac, but since being on BTD for several years, I do not tolerate grains well.  Before BTD, I tolerated them more, so BTDing made me body more aware that they weren't good for me anyway.


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I have not had gluten in five years due to celiac. Gluten free oat don't agree with me either. Four months ago, I gave up all grains, even the beneficial ones as I was developing insulin resistance. Within two weeks, the environmental allergies that I developed some twenty years ago as well as the asthma that came on about six years ago has vanished! I don't miss the grains and the few extra pounds that seem to come and go over the past few years are gone.
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Quoted from Dianne
I have not had gluten in five years due to celiac. Gluten free oat don't agree with me either. Four months ago, I gave up all grains, even the beneficial ones as I was developing insulin resistance. Within two weeks, the environmental allergies that I developed some twenty years ago as well as the asthma that came on about six years ago has vanished! I don't miss the grains and the few extra pounds that seem to come and go over the past few years are gone.


That's amazing, Dianne!  How is your insulin resistance?
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That's amazing, Dianne!  How is your insulin resistance?


I will have blood work done in October, but I can tell by how I feel. Sometimes when I ate grains, I would feel the pulse in my neck just thump away and could feel quite distracted from it. The fat in my midriff is significantly reduced; another five pounds to go and I will be at my ideal weight. I also have a lot of clarity, within ten/fifteen minutes of being awake, I am alert and full of energy. I feel like a teenager again and enjoying keeping quite busy and being productive! It is nothing short of miraculous!  
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I will have blood work done in October, but I can tell by how I feel. Sometimes when I ate grains, I would feel the pulse in my neck just thump away and could feel quite distracted from it. The fat in my midriff is significantly reduced; another five pounds to go and I will be at my ideal weight. I also have a lot of clarity, within ten/fifteen minutes of being awake, I am alert and full of energy. I feel like a teenager again and enjoying keeping quite busy and being productive! It is nothing short of miraculous!  


I am so glad to hear it, Dianne!!!  What an amazing turn around!  Good for you!  
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I don't tolerate wheat at all. Spelt is neutral on swami, so too oats and rice. Quinoa is superbeneficial. However, I find lately that the fewer grains I eat the better I feel..so my intake is at an all-time minimum!
I'm working towards eliminating them altogether, I thought it would be easier, but I need to find enough foods to replace them, so more good fats and protein


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I'm fine with all non-gluten grains that are OK on my SWAMI. I'm most definitely NOT fine with corn!

As an O nonnie, rye is the only gluten grain that's not an outright avoid for my type, and I don't seem to do well on it. But I'm still not sure if it's a problem with gluten or another specific problem with rye. I don't do HORRIBLY on oats- I do eat oat matzah on Passover, but I don't eat any other oats the rest of the year.

I'm fine with rice and quinoa. I've tried both millet and amaranth, and seemed to do OK on them, but they're expensive and I didn't like them enough to justify the expense. I really enjoy quinoa but my kids don't, so it's usually easier to make rice for everybody than it is to make quinoa for me plus rice for the kids.

Hannah reacts very strongly to wheat but does fine on spelt. There was a dramatic improvement in her behavior/mood when I swapped out the wheat in her diet for spelt.  At the time she ate sandwiches for school lunch every day and gluten-free breads fell apart, so we never got a good gluten-free trial in before we discovered she thrives on spelt products.


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I ate wheat daily until starting BTD around 2003. Once I reduced it my sinuses were better.
After my IgE testing resulted in wheat being my worst offender, then getting my swami, I quit wheat completely for 3 months.
I lost weight, my sinuses and recently diagnosed asthma improved a little, and I had more energy.

As long as I stay as gluten free as possible, my weight stays where it should be; otherwise it creeps back.
I didn't get the stomach/bloating issues with wheat gluten; just nasty sinus stuff and weight gain.
Cow dairy and wheat gluten ( and environment) are my biggest offenders for my chronic sinus/asthma problems.


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Interesting study, Chloe.  Thanks so much for sharing it.  I know we have had a lot of discussion on this forum regarding food intolerances and IgG reactions vs food allergies and celiac.  Now it looks like the older information, that gluten intolerance does not cause an IgG response is incorrect, if I am reading this correctly.  

I figured it might because our daughter is gluten intolerant and her IgG markers were definitely elevated.  I have no problem with gluten - never have - although I avoid it most of the time.  I, too, have had food intolerance testing and am tolerant to just about everything.

Since I do not eat it very often anymore, the only reaction I DO experience is some constipation (but that seems to be will all grains now - not just grains containing gluten) and a desire to eat more  


I have a verified medical diagnosis of celiac disease from just a year ago. My IgA anti TTG level was through the roof when I got tested last May. The duodenal biopsy they did didn't show classical celiac disease, but there were features that are suggestive.  Many celiacs have deficient or low levels of IgA and so must have an IgG test to rule it out. None of the other gluten/gliadin tests were ever run on me because the flagship test was strong enough to warrant a biopsy.

I feel much better when I avoid gluten in terms of digestion but more so neurologically. As for other grains I am not bothered by rice or corn but don't like to eat them too often as they are frequently GMO and high GI. Corn is an avoid on my BTD/GTD and SWAMI but I can tolerate it better than anything with wheat. My vitamin D and K levels were found to be on the low side when the celiac was discovered. So other than mild digestive upsets my bones were more affected than just my GI tract as I was found to have a mild case of osteopenia.

Unlike some with celiac, I do not have immediate debilitating symptoms. But if I get exposed any other times then I will feel the impact from it. It truly amazes me how differently everyone reacts to gluten and other grains just from reading this thread.


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Is there a difference between "I'm fine with all non-gluten grains" and "I have no problem at all with gluten"?


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Quoted from san j
Is there a difference between "I'm fine with all non-gluten grains" and "I have no problem at all with gluten"?


No problem at all with gluten means you DO tolerate wheat, barley, rye, spelt and every grain that contains gluten and gluten grains do NOT bother you.

I'm fine with all NON gluten grains means you do well on grains that contain no gluten.

There are people who don't tolerate gluten but do fine on non gluten grains (such as amaranth,
quinoa, millet, buckwheat, rice)  And that would be ME.  

In other words, I CAN eat specific grains....just NOT the ones that contain gluten....



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Quoted from Chloe


No problem at all with gluten means you DO tolerate wheat, barley, rye, spelt and every grain that contains gluten and gluten grains do NOT bother you.

I'm fine with all NON gluten grains means you do well on grains that contain no gluten.

There are people who don't tolerate gluten but do fine on non gluten grains (such as amaranth,
quinoa, millet, buckwheat, rice)  And that would be ME.  

In other words, I CAN eat specific grains....just NOT the ones that contain gluten....

My mistake, luv.
I meant:
Is there a difference between
"I'm intolerant of gluten grains"
and
"I'm fine with all non-gluten grains".
Sorry.  




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Quoted from san j
My mistake, luv.
I meant:
Is there a difference between
"I'm intolerant of gluten grains"
and
"I'm fine with all non-gluten grains".
Sorry.  




Some people who are intolerant of gluten grains are also intolerant of non gluten grains.  

And yet some of those who can't eat gluten CAN eat non gluten grains.







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I'm fine with non-gluten, non-avoid grains. The worst reaction from occasional wheat etc. is a little bloating for a day or three. Regular consumption is a different story.
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I am so glad to hear it, Dianne!!!  What an amazing turn around!  Good for you!  


Thanks Patty!  
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Gatherer that I am, this makes sense:  I do better on oats than on any other grain.  At present in my diet, the only grain I consume regularly is oats, in the form of a certain brand of oat bread (billed as "oatmeal bread" on the front label, but the actual ingredient in there is oat flour, though it does sport a few whole-grain oats on the outer crust).  I have even transitioned off of brown basmati rice, which previously was my staple grain, as I have struggled anew with weight management in the past few years and I found that the rice was keeping me "stuck", at best (and making me trend in the wrong direction at worst).

Now that oats are the only grain I eat, and I am back to being really strict about only eating ONE grain-containing meal per day (which was my one takeaway from a book call "The Carbohydrate Addicts Diet"--that one thing has really proved important for me:  I don't weight or measure the portion or count the carbs or anything, but I only eat grains in ONE meal per day...otherwise, weight loss ceases and I start trending the wrong way   ), I am losing weight again.  I had gained 35 lbs back in the past few years, and now I have lost 12 of that.  Another key for me has been that I have started eating lunch.  Previously I only ate two meals per day.  A very fit co-worker, who works with a personal trainer, told me "you have the metabolism of a turtle!" due to not eating frequently enough.  I thought it wouldn't work to try eating MORE, but at that point I was really stuck and really struggling and my weight was at a scary point, so I tried it.  Lo and behold, I started LOSING!!!  And I really don't eat that much at lunch, either--usually just fruit.

Anyway, I digressed a hair, sorry:  main point:  this Gatherer does best on OATS and avoiding all other grains.  Dr. D knows his stuff (shocker...NOT), as he has oats in there (in the GenoType Diet) as a superfood for us (Gatherers).


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Quoted from san j
My mistake, luv.
I meant:
Is there a difference between
"I'm intolerant of gluten grains"
and
"I'm fine with all non-gluten grains".
Sorry.  




Some people don't seem to do well on any grains at all. This question is trying to separate out those who need to avoid gluten specifically from those who need to avoid all grains.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl


Some people don't seem to do well on any grains at all. This question is trying to separate out those who need to avoid gluten specifically from those who need to avoid all grains.


Yes, you said it best....



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Hello, ladies. Thanks for the explanation.

PT: I used a diet called "The 35-Plus Diet For Women", about three times in my younger adult life, for weight loss of about 25 lbs at a time. Your 3-meals-per-day (only one of which contains a starch) Plan reminds me of it.
-During the Induction Phase, one starch portion a day was required, and no others were permitted (this higher protein ratio throws the dieter into a brief ketosis that ejects plenty of water).
-During the Weight Loss phase of whatever length the dieter chose, one starch was required at each of two meals. No other starches were permitted.
-During Maintenance (the rest of one's life), one was to take on the third starch portion with either the third meal or with/as a snack.

We Os and Bs definitely have to watch our starch intake, so either remaining on the two-starches-per-day or being extremely conscious of portion-control(!) would probably be a lifelong thing for many of us, rather than taking on that third starch, which might be okay for the A's (and perhaps the AB's?).
I have a feeling that if that author (Jean Spodnick) had known about bloodtypes, her recommendations would have distinguished between the lifelong-maintenance needs of O/Bs versus those of As and maybe ABs.

Incidentally, the Induction and Weight-Loss phases were virtually fat free. Only during maintenance could one take on any oil - or wine/alcohol. It was also sugar-free. So she covered all the bases.

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As for separating out those who need to avoid all grains from those who need to avoid gluten, I'd expect that optimal weight stabilization might require many to watch their overall starch/grain intake, while actual symptoms of "intolerance", such as various symptoms of GI upset, would indicate not mere weight loss measures but experimentation with gluten/other eliminations. However, it seems there's plenty of overlap - people who are BOTH gaining weight due to excess starch intake AND experiencing GI symptoms from gluten.


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Quoted from san j
Hello, ladies. Thanks for the explanation.

PT: I used a diet called "The 35-Plus Diet For Women", about three times in my younger adult life, for weight loss of about 25 lbs at a time. Your 3-meals-per-day (only one of which contains a starch) Plan reminds me of it.

Hi, San_J   :

In response to your post, I will just bring up a slight, nuanced difference between the diet you describe above and what I was talking about when I talked about my one grain-containing meal per day:  I only eat one meal (at most one--ideally, I would eat no grains in any of my daily meals, but in reality I find the one-grain-containing-meal-per-day thing is more sustainable for me...yet there are days that I ingest no grains) per day that contains *grains*, not *starch*.  So the clarification is that there might be a lot of what some would define as "starch" in one of my grain-free meals of the day, if I were to have, for example, a sweet potato.  However usually, the non-grain meals tend to be lower on the starchy carb-o-meter, and will be something like a salad with a protein tossed in.     That isn't a given, though, and some days I do get more "starch" (like with a sweet potato) in another meal, and that doesn't seem to make me gain weight or have trouble losing weight.  Just the grains (other than oats--but even with oats, I only eat 'em once per day) do.



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