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Henriette Bsec
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My Stepdad is driving us Crazy
He is O type - very likely Explorer
He is 72 years old
Rather fit apart from high blodpressure and issues with stomach- and a bit overweight
But this spring /summer he has just been so impossible
He is so cranky, inactive - moody- don´t do a thing ?

I have a feeling that it is part
1) middel age depression - lots of his older friends have died last 2-3 years
2) lower testosterone
3) Maybe his Blodpressure medication.

He has a rather good diet - all homemade, most organic
aprox 75-80 % O diet
- no wheat,no pork no corn no additives
but he is drinking far too much Organic low fat milk- and that WONT change   no matter what we say or do !!

I am thinking that he is lacking Magnesium big time
When I read the list of symptoms I can x most of them for him.

But what else can I suggest my mum ?

She is going crazy about his way of behaving- well he is doing nothing really
We have had 3 months of amazing summer here- so I don´t think he lacks any D vitamins- he should be happy -his californian heritage should love danish summer this year



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Dear Henriette,

You've pretty much described my dad, he's 87, most of his close friends, all his brothers long gone, quite compliant except yoghurt and occasional slice of bread. He's been giving my mom and my sister a hard time for the last 10 years, I have my share of it when I visit them once a month. Yet, he walks up to around 5 km's a day, after which his mood gets better. We encourage him to do it daily.

I think at this point you should care more about your mother, keep her healthy and help her to manage her stress better. My mom and sister are both type A's, I help them more to deal with the situation.

Having said that, try to make your step-father more active physically, anything that would make him leave the couch. Physical activity is a great mood enhancer for type O's.

Again, people make their own choices, and it's limited what we can do for them unless they are prepared to welcome our support.

Yaman


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OMG I am always going to remember these ages and attitudes. I never want to be like them when I am at that age. That's "beyond middle age issues" and into "old age issues" but for me I don't care who died or not; each day is a question of who am I going to interact with/make friends with next?  People like this should go volunteer somewhere at a cause that they like so that they can forget about themselves and open up instead of hanging around causing other people annoyance and irritation.


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Dear Henriette,

You've pretty much described my dad, he's 87, most of his close friends, all his brothers long gone, quite compliant except yoghurt and occasional slice of bread. He's been giving my mom and my sister a hard time for the last 10 years, I have my share of it when I visit them once a month. Yet, he walks up to around 5 km's a day, after which his mood gets better. We encourage him to do it daily.

I think at this point you should care more about your mother, keep her healthy and help her to manage her stress better. My mom and sister are both type A's, I help them more to deal with the situation.

Having said that, try to make your step-father more active physically, anything that would make him leave the couch. Physical activity is a great mood enhancer for type O's.

Again, people make their own choices, and it's limited what we can do for them unless they are prepared to welcome our support.

Yaman


Thanks  
My mum is O type - and is fairly healthy .
Yes you are sooo right about the exercise and O´s.


I am thinking
Do men have a male menopause and can we help them ?

I just checked his medication
Guess what 1-10 % have problems with
bad mood- depression
Weak muscles- feeling fatigue
stomach issues
and coughs ( without any sinus or colds)

That was just a  few of the side effects -but he have all of them.
Has just been to a huge check up because he had been coughing + 2 years - they couldn´t find a thing .,.



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Yes, I agree he could be low in magnesium. All the calcium from the dairy he is eating could be upsetting the calcium/magnesium balance. Is he open to magnesium supplements? Another great option would be a foot massage with magnesium oil or lotion. I like the lotion better than the oil. It's a little greasy but otherwise it's great.
Also, is he getting enough iodine? Does he eat fish or seaweeds like kelp?  Kelp is great for restoring minerals in the diet.
Hope peace will be restored to your family.

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Quoted from Henriette Bsec


Thanks  
My mum is O type - and is fairly healthy .
Yes you are sooo right about the exercise and O´s.


I am thinking
Do men have a male menopause and can we help them ?

I just checked his medication
Guess what 1-10 % have problems with
bad mood- depression
Weak muscles- feeling fatigue
stomach issues
and coughs ( without any sinus or colds)

That was just a  few of the side effects -but he have all of them.
Has just been to a huge check up because he had been coughing + 2 years - they couldn´t find a thing .,.



Let him try to stay away from milk just a few days, and the coughs will disappear as well as the fatigue, and probably the stomach issues too, the rest is up to him..


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HB, I think your instincts are correct...Low testosterone, low magnesium intake and the side effects of his blood pressure med.  My husband (prior to going to see Dr. D and the shift) had elevated B/P for
which he was given a prescription.  Caused agitation and a lot of strange behavior. He's 71.  Trying
to wean him off the meds took awhile....but in the past 6 months, he kept cutting the pill in half, then
again and finally, just stopped.  He's taking hawthorne extract and Tranquility Base.  Plus 2 magnesium
twice a day.  His blood pressure is in a normal range.  Should he become agitated, his B/P rises....so
I think for irritable men, they need supplements that are calming.  And a diet that is calming to their
nervous system which often goes awry due to their faulty diets.

With all that high calcium milk in his diet, I'll bet anything his magnesium is really low.  And he could be
allergic to cow's milk, which might explain his desire to drink so much of it.  Cow's milk is rather
addictive....has morphine like effects...and we often can't give up  the very foods our bodies became addicted to.

Do you know if his B/P med is a calcium channel blocker?  That's what my husband took....it made him crazy.

As for your mom, check out the anti-stress protocols
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/5.html


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I think all of the advice above is good, but possibly there is one more factor and that is GETTING OLD.

From what I've seen it is much harder for men to "grow old gracefully" than it is for women.  My husband is 83 and like other old people who ae still around, most of his good friends have died.  His ability to "do anything, fix anything" has declined greatly and this is terribly hard on his male ego.  

I don't have an answer for this problem.  He is super sensitive about anything that he hears as criticism - whether I've said it or not:  It's how he hears it.  

When I tell him he is still "my white knight" he just laughs at me.  

We do the best we can as we get older by the day - but it ain't easy!!!!


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Thank you all - yes it is difficult.
Oh  Ginny sounds so much like my stepdad - we have always said that he misunderstood things because his native language was english   but he has lived in Denmark in + 45 years so I am starting to think it is his mind playing tricks on him..

There is NO way is going to stay away from dairy   We have had that discussion for years..

But he is open to supplements
and my mum hopes she can get him to change BP medication

Yes Chloe it is with a calcium blocker- by mum started with that product as well -but got so severe depressed and weird so she changed to another medication.

(side comment - I think she could kick her medication IF she got more exercise ,had less wine and no stress from husband )

Magnesium- and kelp would be a good idea I think.

Can you boost Low testosterone natural ?


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Hettilein...would like to see him to give a try with the mushies....  Reishi or even
Cordyceps as an extract would help .... or even both together....helps to restaure
adrenal issues =moodyness and Reishi helps to stabilize bloodsugar issues and is a true beautiful "all-rounder* ) ....

Wish you all the best from Switzerland  


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How about Catechol?  Moderates my (and my O wife's) crank factor like a charm  
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Can you boost Low testosterone natural ?


Lots of good information here
http://anabolicmen.com/100-ways-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally/



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Give that pitta some gotu kola!  Blood pressure will normalize quick and he will feel more energized and relaxed.   Combine with mucuna or ashwagandha and a high level of sexual energy is replenished.
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yaaahhiiikes... dearle Easy E I once tried gotu kola and my bp went to the roofs... ... but ok I'm a female and explorer... but pitta type ...
this is an older organisme and must be treated with muchmore care ... but I merely think he's an A-shapement of psychegram (no 3 in the enneagram) and seems to desitegrate to no: 9 ......therefore I think or Avernos or my own blas might be of
value... I don't say: *better-one ...only different.... and don't worry I'm not compeeting @ all... ...chuckle...


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yaahiiikes... dearle Easy E I once tried gotu kola and my bp went to the roofs... ... but ok I'm a female and explorer... but pitta type ...
this is an older organisme and must be treated with muchmore care ... but I merely think he's an A-shapement of psychegram (no 3 in the enneagram) and seems to desitegrate to no: 9 ......therefore I thik or Avernos or my own blas might be of
value... I don't say: *better-one ...only different.... and don't worry I'm not compeeting @ all... ...chuckle...


That is true!  I find gotu kola to resonate very well with my constitution, as well as the other herbs I mentioned.  But I am a young type A explorer male and pitta vata dominant type.  It was just another piece of info to have at hand, may have been typed in a different way than just a possible suggestion;)  
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I have always found milk to be a drug.  Getting him to replace it with a lesser "avoid" or merely switching his poisons on a regular basis might bring his body relief.  There is also the question of what might be mucking up his hormonal balance.  It would be better to remove a source of imbalance than to try to counter its effects by "pushing against it".  Walks are definitely good - I have seen my M-I-L a suspected A-Explorer deteriorate substantially with the repeated reduction in her mobility.

If you are in constant pain, there are some circumstances where being cranky is the only way you can deal with it.


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Thank you  
lots of things to work with -slowly
He is stubborn as well  


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oops sorry couldn't resist ... but wish you good luck anyway


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