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san j
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Great read especially for Os and Bs (for whom it should be no "surprise")...

http://www.thebigfatsurprise.com/


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I love beef ribs .... and they love me right back.  


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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I suppose the blood type has not been factored in by the researcher. It is true that the dominant fat-phobia in the world is wrongly skewed and now is the time to correct it. But the question of taking right fat accordingly to your blood type or genetic type is still important.



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I suppose the blood type has not been factored in by the researcher. It is true that the dominant fat-phobia in the world is wrongly skewed and now is the time to correct it. But the question of taking right fat accordingly to your blood type or genetic type is still important.

Oh, indubitably.
The author delved into the mystery of How Food Pyramids Diverge From Reality, however, and it's waking readers up in vast numbers.
The benefits of full fat have been being preached for a long time by certain renegades.
What's new is her exposé of the politics behind Medicine's buying into the low-fat dogma (and nutritional dogma in general) and preaching against any question of (or dissent from) it.



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give me 5!
That's a lot of beef ribs!  
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I suppose the blood type has not been factored in by the researcher. It is true that the dominant fat-phobia in the world is wrongly skewed and now is the time to correct it. But the question of taking right fat accordingly to your blood type or genetic type is still important.
What is worse is the kind of vegetable sourced "good fat" that has been hyped.  Although it also uses a one-size-fits-all mentality Fat That Heal, Fats That Kill is an eye-opener.  You have to get and stay right to your type.

What is abominable is to see a typical type A on a low carb diet high fat diet or a typical type O on a high carb low fat diet.  Until blood type differentiation becomes an automatic part of medical diagnosis and dietary practice, any means to stop the blind "if it worked for her, if must work for me" thinking gives people the possibility of finding what will satisfy the individual need.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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My experience is that MDs know that One-Size-Fits-All doesn't cut it.
They know that 100% of their patients do not thrive/heal in conjunction with the same food pyramid, let alone the same medication. But they don't know WHY.
And they're afraid to think outside the box until someone close to them (self, spouse, relative) demonstrably does better on, say, full-fat and red meat.

Here's something we might say:
"Doc, you know how there are patients who do well on low-fat and high-carbs; while there are those who do poorly on that, but thrive with red meat and low carbs?"
(Many, if not In Complete Ornish/Denial, will nod.)

You can say, "Well, I'm hearing that the A-bloodtype allele may conduce to the former, Ornish-style, success, while the absence of that allele signals the need for meat and fat (with far less starches) for better health. Instead of taking stabs in the dark, you might put it to the test yourself for a couple of months amongst your patients, and see if your first prescription success-rate improves. Worth a shot, no?"
A research study or two or three would help here.


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You can say, "Well, I'm hearing that the A-bloodtype allele may conduce to the former, Ornish-style, success, while the absence of that allele signals the need for meat and fat (with far less starches) for better health. Instead of taking stabs in the dark, you might put it to the test yourself for a couple of months amongst your patients, and see if your first prescription success-rate improves. Worth a shot, no?"
A research study or two or three would help here.


That's a great way to put it. Sadly, though many physicians will interrupt, scoff and look at their watch before reaching the second sentence.    Worth a try nonetheless.

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One size fits all statements do not even apply to a blood type or a genotype.  They are big picture frameworks to start with, the person has to explore on their own.  

Fat is needed for nerve conduction and communication in the body.  General points are that hunters and nomads do not need worry as much about fat contents of meat, gatherer and explorer types should eat leaner meats, and warrior and teacher types should consumer fats mostly in fish and nuts.  But these are general points, millions of variations and combinations to consider.

But, at the same time, everyone needs fats to be their healthiest.  All humans must also breath air to live.
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A research study or two or three would help here.
As insurmountable as this seems, it might be essential.  I wish I had the skill, and opportunity to do something like a TED talk on how the one-size-fits-all medical evaluation paradigm is related to the disconnect between information and knowledge.



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Dr Michael Mosley regrets his former advices about saturated fats:

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I was wrong - we should be feasting on FAT, says The Fast Diet author DR MICHAEL MOSLEY

By Dr Michael Mosley
Published: 21:44 GMT, 16 July 2014 | Updated: 09:47 GMT, 17 July 2014

  • Dr Mosley used to believe all saturated fats were bad for us
  • So he ditched beef, full fat milk and butter
  • They were thought to cause weight gain and heart attacks
  • But new studies have revealed this isn't the case
  • There's a stronger link between sugar consumption and heart disease
  • Eggs are a prime example of how we got it wrong on fats
  • People were advised to eat just one a week in the Eighties
  • But now regular consumption is encouraged as they are high in protein

Milk, cheese, butter, cream - in fact all saturated fats - are bad for you. Or so I believed ever since my days as a medical student nearly 30 years ago.

During that time I assured friends and family that saturated fat would clog their arteries as surely as lard down a drain. So, too, would it make them pile on the pounds.

Recently, however, I have been forced to do a U-turn. It is time to apologise for all that useless advice I've been dishing out about fat.


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So why the sudden change? And what is making us fat?

The roots of our current confusion lie in a paper by an American scientist called Ancel Keys in 1953. It covered the increasingly common problem of clogged arteries.

Keys included a simple graph comparing fat consumption and deaths from heart disease in men from six different countries. Americans, who ate a lot of fat, were far more likely to have a heart attack than the Japanese, who ate little fat. Case solved. Or was it?

Other scientists began wondering why Keys chose to focus on just six countries when he had access to data for 22. If places like France and Germany were included the link between heart disease and fat consumption became much weaker. These were, after all, countries with high fat consumption, but relatively modest rates of heart disease.

In fact, as a renowned British scientist called John Yudkin pointed out, there was actually a much stronger link between sugar consumption and heart disease.

Professor Yudkin argued that sugar was behind the rise in heart disease ravaging the West. He also pointed to another dangerous trend emerging in Fifties Britain: the close relationship between the number of televisions being bought and fatal heart attacks.

Buying a TV in the Fifties was a sign that you were affluent, but it also meant you'd spend a lot more time sitting down. This research was among the first to highlight the dangers of a sedentary lifestyle.

But Yudkin's warnings about sugar were denounced by a fellow scientist as 'nothing more than scientific fraud'. He was, as one of his colleagues colourfully put it, 'thrown under a bus'.


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So some fats are good for us, but surely saturated fats are bad?

Even this has been undermined by a study funded by the British Heart Foundation and published this year. Based on 72 previous studies the researchers found no evidence that saturated fats cause heart disease.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem.....-MICHAEL-MOSLEY.html

In the article Dr Michael Mosley also tells about his own experiences of eating a low fat diet, a diet which made him look healthier but increased the amount of visceral fat and made him borderline diabetic.


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I wondered how long it would take for someone to start a thread about this book. Thanks san j! I read this book last month and it raised many questions for me. I started an experiment on myself and was going to report my findings next month.  I guess I can tell y'all what I have learned in 25 days about myself. I keep a food journal and make very detailed notes about foods, how I feel physically after consuming them, my emotional/mental state, etc. After reading this book, I went back to my journals and broke everything down into another journal. All grains cause problems for me. I swell all over and get brain fog, digestion doesn't work properly. dry patches on skin and I feel weak. I also gain weight. Fruit for me isn't much better. On August 1st I quit consuming all grains and fruit and added more protein and ghee with lots of seasonal veggies. I  have lost 19 lbs., I am able to work out 6 days per week (burning 800 cals. per day), most of my weight is disappearing from my stomach, hips and thighs, skin looks amazing, no brain fog and I have never felt so strong. I am developing definition in my arms, chest, back and legs that I haven't had since I was in my late teens.
Is a little more compliant/high quality protein and good fat the answer? I don't know...but I do know it is working for me.  Patty H started a thread the beginning of August- one size fits none. I do believe this whole heartedly. What I am doing is not supposed to work for an A+ warrior, however what I am supposed to do wasn't working. I am taking my supplements, lots of flax and am going to have my cholesterol/triglycerides checked the first of November. I am also going to have a particle size test done that tells the size of the cholesterol particles in my blood. The small particles are the bad ones that stick on the walls of the arteries causing blockages. I still believe everything should be consumed in moderation. I haven't gone "fat crazy" I just increased it a little and am feeling great. There are no two people that are alike. I believe in everything that Dr.D has brought to us, I just had to "tweak" it a bit to fit me.
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I enjoyed Will Clower's The Fat Fallacy when I discovered it about 10 years ago.
I and my friend Henriette Bsec were already using full-fat dairy, and this corroborated what we knew to be true for ourselves.  


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glad this is getting out in big way!
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glad this is getting out in big way!

Are you profiting from Teicholz's book? Tell your story!  



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I doubt that any two SWAMI diets are exactly the same no matter the blood type. Considering how sensitive mine is to small changes, I can't think otherwise. Besides that, no matter what, some tweaking has to be done going by the posts here and my own experience. But having a good place to start is invaluable. Nothing else like it in the world!


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it just confirms my pro sat fat bias!
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Juliebug: I'm exactly the same as you.  My problem is compliance and sticking to grain free. I've tried to do it dozens of time in my life and I can never stick to it all the way.  However, in an attempt to do so, I up my meat, fat and veggie intake and that always helps me.  I'm really proud of your accomplishment!


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Juliebug: I'm exactly the same as you.  My problem is compliance and sticking to grain free. I've tried to do it dozens of time in my life and I can never stick to it all the way.  However, in an attempt to do so, I up my meat, fat and veggie intake and that always helps me.  I'm really proud of your accomplishment!


Thank you EquiPro! This was something that I knew I had to try and it has helped me to get over the grain addiction. I don't have to eat nearly as much food because I am having a little more fat and that seems to squash hunger/cravings.
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I doubt that any two SWAMI diets are exactly the same no matter the blood type. Considering how sensitive mine is to small changes, I can't think otherwise. Besides that, no matter what, some tweaking has to be done going by the posts here and my own experience. But having a good place to start is invaluable. Nothing else like it in the world!


Us A explorers especially should stick to leaner cuts of meat as opposed to hunters and nomads, who Dr. D. writes do not need worry so much about the fat content of the meat.  Explorers and gatherers should eat leaner cuts of meat.

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I may get some flak here for saying this, but Dr. Atkins was certainly a proponent of eating a high fat diet.  He came out with his first book on the high fat diet in 1972.  For those of us who are O's this diet was like manna from heaven!

I remember struggling with weight once I hit age 18.  Prior to that I had been super skinny.  Why all of a sudden I gained weight and could not take it off was a mystery.  I tried every diet known to man and it was finally the Atkins Diet that resonated with me and helped me to not feel like I was crashing after three to four days, which made it difficult to sustain the diet.  I am not saying I did not have success on other diets - it was just the "crash effect" that accompanied other plans that made it difficult to continue.

I know that this is a one size fits all plan, but again, for me as an O, it was a breath of fresh air!

Our best couple friends are mixed blood types - the husband is an AB and the wife is an O.  They both went on this diet and she lost an amazing amount of weight, looked and felt amazing, and the difference in their responses was interesting to me at the time.  At first, I attributed it to her compliance and his non-compliance.  I know better now!

Dr. D's plan, which came later, helped to better explain things and made the diet more healthy in so many ways!


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yup…it was O heaven!       (in comparison with the wisdom of the day, that is!)
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