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Juliebug
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I am a little perplexed by something...Why is it that when I exercise I either gain weight or weight loss almost ceases? When I was young I was extremely athletic and competitive. I played volleyball, soccer, ran track and cross country. I wasn't skinny, but not fat either...somewhere in the middle. Now, after 40 everything has changed. (maybe being a warrior) My husband and I joined a health club twice in the past 5 years. Both times we gained weight. We were doing cardio (treadmill for 1 hour) and weight machines (20 lbs. or so) with our trainer telling us we were just gaining muscle and that muscle would help burn fat.   We would keep this up for about 6-8 months and then give up. We haven't worked out in about 2 1/2 years now.This Monday and Tuesday morning we went walking for 2.5 miles. My husband gained 8/10th of a lb. and my weight loss stopped. We didn't change our eating routine. I had been losing 1/2 to 1 lb. daily previously. I have lost a little over 12 lbs this month and was wanting to add in a little heart healthy walking. We didn't go walking yesterday and both lost 1.2 lbs. Walking is recommended for A's...what is the deal? I have about 50 more lbs. to lose and eventually am going to need to do some toning/strength exercises. What do we do?
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Juliebug,

I am not familiar with the exact recommended exercise for warriors but do know that, as an A;
Years ago I was into the gym scene with hour on treadmill, all machines, etc. as you described. I wasn't on ER4YT but did not eat red meat, anything fried, etc. I was active with 2 sons in sports, school, and had a full time job that was demanding..(itinerant Braille instructor for County Schools).
After reading Dr, D'Adamos book , ER4YT, I slowly changed some things; one was the way I exercised. I found out that I was actually counter productive by going "anaerobic"   When I realized that only 15 minutes on the treadmill along with dancing/ light weights or quick walks/ yoga ...change your routine up daily...allowed me to burn more efficiently and I felt better! Listen to your body!  
Listen to Dr. D!
I still enjoyed Jazzercise a few times a week with the dance/pilates base but I will never again exercise like an O!!! Now my hunter son...absolutely needs the heavy aerobics and weightlifting to feel good and maintain weight.

Just try a week or two of the exercises he suggests for warriors and see if there is a difference Wishing you all the best, been there....
  


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Thank you Cajun! It can be so frustrating. You think you are doing something good for yourself and instead it being somewhat destructive. Heck-if I didn't want to lose weight those two days I could have drank margaritas instead!!! Going to go out and mow the yard and do some gardening...
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Juliebug,

Sorry, forgot to add...stretching/breathing...very important for us A's!
Just my experience;
I lost weight, without really trying hard, by rotating my foods; 3 days eating different foods, no repeating. Along with this I did yoga one day, walked the next, did light weights and dancing the next, yoga again, etc. Rotation in food and exercise has been key for me!


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Oh you make me laugh! Margaritas!!! Yeah baby!!!


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Muscle weighs more than fat.  What you really want to know is if you've had any fat loss because
the scale can be very misleading when you weigh yourself every day.

Make sure you get plenty of fluids to help flush out toxic waste.  It's really difficult to gain fat as
quickly as the scale showed an increase. It's really likely that your fluid balance has temporarily
fluctuated and after walking your body just might have been holding onto fluid...A day of rest and you eliminated excess fluid.  Certainly you weren't gaining and losing fat that quickly.

I wouldn't give up exercising....Juliebug, cajun shared some good advice with you.  I hope you make some adjustments and continue to get good results with your weight loss.  Great job for losing 12 pounds in a month..  That's very impressive!


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The threshold for excess cortisol after the stress of more intense activity is lower for As generally.  Excess cortisol leads to weight gain if corrections are not made to balance the cortisol to normal ranges again.  If net stress levels are already high, then esp for warrior types intense types of exercises will just exacerbate the cortisol release.

Slower or more relaxed exercise in the evening when the sun is down are better if cortisol is high already. Or in the am before intense sun comes down.
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I am a little perplexed by something...Why is it that when I exercise I either gain weight or weight loss almost ceases? When I was young I was extremely athletic and competitive. I played volleyball, soccer, ran track and cross country. I wasn't skinny, but not fat either...somewhere in the middle. Now, after 40 everything has changed. (maybe being a warrior) My husband and I joined a health club twice in the past 5 years. Both times we gained weight. We were doing cardio (treadmill for 1 hour) and weight machines (20 lbs. or so) with our trainer telling us we were just gaining muscle and that muscle would help burn fat.   We would keep this up for about 6-8 months and then give up. We haven't worked out in about 2 1/2 years now.This Monday and Tuesday morning we went walking for 2.5 miles. My husband gained 8/10th of a lb. and my weight loss stopped. We didn't change our eating routine. I had been losing 1/2 to 1 lb. daily previously. I have lost a little over 12 lbs this month and was wanting to add in a little heart healthy walking. We didn't go walking yesterday and both lost 1.2 lbs. Walking is recommended for A's...what is the deal? I have about 50 more lbs. to lose and eventually am going to need to do some toning/strength exercises. What do we do?


Our physiology is not static, what worked for you at age 25 or 30 might not work now. Frustrating as it is there are many variables at play such as age, hormones, diet, medications, supplements etc.  

From the literature I've been reading recently as far as exercise less is actually more in terms of weight loss and overall general health. I have been walking no more than 30 minutes daily as part of an afternoon or evening walk and it seems to be keeping my weight off at the moment. I'm sure if I reduced my calories I would lose some weight. High intensity interval training which I am not versed on that well I have been reading works well to help with weight loss and is a more natural way to exercise much like our hunter/gatherer cousins. In other words doing shorts bursts of intense activity either walking jogging or running utilizes our hormones in ways that were similar to our ancestors and this is what supposedly allows for weight loss and maintenance. Bursts of adrenaline I have read helps facilitate weight loss.

Instead of concentrating on your walking distance perhaps you might want to pay attention to the amount of time spent walking ie. 20 minutes, 30 minutes etc.


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I sure am glad someone brought this topic up. Been doing my swami for almost 4 weeks now and cant seem to shed a pound its been terribly frustrating . When I was in high school I worked out like a mad man with heavy weights and stayed in great shape. Well I have a tendency to overdo stuff a lot so I took a look at the recommended exercise for warrior and thought I could jump right into it and start losing the pounds never mind that its been 27 years and 85lbs since I worked out heavy. Not to mention  the times I have lost weight up to 40lbs in the last 8 years doing the BTD on and off I hardly exercised at all, so maybe I should slow down on the heavy workouts and lower my cortisol levels. At first it felt good to be working out again but this last week not so much. My blood type O gatherer wife on the other hand seems to do well with heavier cardio and she wants to add light weight training into the mix soon. Maybe I need to listen to my old tired body and slow down a bit, maybe light cardio and some stretching exercises to start out. Good timing on this post as stated its been really frustrating these passed few weeks. Cant believe how much an old guy still can learn sometimes.    
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Blood Type O that seriously straight up just want to lose weight should do crossfit/HIIT. It's documented to shed fat 9x as fast as running, jogging, or whatever that doesn't parallel it.

I can understand your frustration Paul. It's like not being human. It's an entirely world that consists of perhaps a majority, that we have no access to at all.

Paul, if you want to lose weight your best bets are to get your body working tip-top, not trying to burn calories. If I cold explain how a warrior can out-exercise the vast majority of people that haven't been training, and some that have... yet not lose weight and feel terrible, heh, I'm curious. You might feel tired, or like stopping, but warriors can keep going anytime they need to at not-max level. It just doesn't help them.

Anyway, I don't know you well, I'm not sure what the exact assessment I'd give without knowing your exact problems, any lab data that's even say 1 number to high, or how you look. But getting the cardiovascular system in shape is pretty key. It won't happen without watching intake of certain foods though!

In general D'Adamo talking about the cardio system of the warrior is important. Getting this under control is very important, but why it's not doing it's best may vary. Feel free to PM me... I've spent a lot of years trying to figure out what to do. Including some following the clinic's guidelines (that didn't work for me).

What I'm somewhat convinced about, it takes some time with Warriors. Dr D has said Type A take some time to come around.
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Paul and DOS, I don't want to make either of you feel bad but my husband is a Warrior nonnie,
he's 70 years old....he barely exercises (two short walks with our dog) and some stretching when he
wakes up. I would say his total daily exercise amounts to 20 minutes.  And his diet....when he gave
up wheat and switched to spelt, he lost weight quickly.  When he gave up chicken and beef, he continued to lose.  He barely eats vegetables beyond salads.. He eats a little bit of fruit in the AM,
has eggs every other day and granola with almond milk on the other days....plus berries....He brings
lunch to work....always on spelt bread....He rotates 3 different lunches, turkey, tuna and pnb&j
He doesn't eat between meals.  He eats a lot of nuts, walnuts specifically.  He drinks a lot of fluids...
Has 1 coffee and 2 green teas per day.  He doesn't eat sugar anymore.  He doesn't seem typical of a
Warrior at all.  Doesn't even seem typical of a nonnie.  Has perfect teeth and gums.  Can eat carbs
without a problem even though many of his relatives were diabetic and he can lose weight very easily as long as he doesn't eat wheat, sugar or corn. His mother was type O, his father type A.
The only thing that makes me believe he's typed correctly is that he was typed at the clinic....and
he snores like a bear!

I feel for you guys having trouble losing weight.  My husband was much heavier when he was in his
30s and 40s....Just got thinner as he aged.  That doesn't seem to make much sense given he's not
particularly exercising.  He has two speeds....ON and OFF. He's either doing a lot of busy work that
keeps him on his feet moving for hours at a time....or he sits down on the sofa and falls asleep.

Do either of you have high energy?  Sometimes I think my husband is on speed...rarely gets tired
until he sits down.  Wakes right up in the AM, jumps out of bed and is ready to start his day....
GROAN....I'm jealous of anyone who can do this.


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Sounds normal.

There are different somatypes found in warriors, and they have different control on weight. The ones I know that are towards ecto have no issues losing weight. But they don't benefit as much from "ox like strength" or other attributes nearly as often. It's good for them now, but historically may not have been as successful.

He sounds like he maybe has followed some of the diet for awhile. The more towards endomorph a warrior seems to be, the more they're hungry when they shouldn't be. The skinniest ones I know often don't care much about eating, and it works for them. But one I know gains weight when he drinks, loses it all instantly when he doesn't.

I assume his expression is good. His stress must not be too high either, sleeping all the time.

The farther in shape I am, the more impossible it is to gain weight. The funny part is I can still feel terrible so I don't like to over consume, and still haven't lost the weight. I'm at a better point now, but I think I have problems with blood pressure that I need to figure out. If my body isn't right when I'm not exercising, then I can now see why I won't lose weight.
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Chloe, you've described me!


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Hey Juliebug,

I have to agree with Chloe here, muscles weigh more than fat!

I've been on the Explorer diet for less than 2 months and I expected to loose weight rapidly (although I have to say I'm quite loose with the recommended portions), but if I lost 2 pound, I'd put them back on the next week...
However, my trousers feels looser and that's because I exercise 3/4 times for nearly 90 minutes, so my fat started being replaced by muscles, but the scale wouldn't budge!

My advice to you: measure!! Measure your thighs, measure your waist, your hips and compare it each week. I'd be surprised if you didn't see the change there.
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Thank you everyone for your words of encouragement and wisdom-

Chloe, what you said about the water retention may be right on. I drink 200 oz. of water a day...1oz per lb. of weight. The days I went walking I wore sauna pants- sweated like crazy! I'm sure I over-did it. BTW- I ordered some FitFlops-can't wait to get them!

Cajun- in my opinion, 100% blue agave tequila can't be an avoid if agave is a neutral...especially when you make your mixer from fresh squeezed limes and monkfruit.   Just kidding, but I do indulge on occasion and feel it is better than getting one out somewhere. I will start practicing my deep breathing again. I meditate every morning but find myself forgetting to breathe properly.

unclepaul- you are my age so you CANNOT be old-I forbid it.  I have been on BTD for 5 1/2 months now. The first 3 months were frustrating because some weeks I actually gained a couple of lbs. I was told by those much wiser than me not to worry because during this time we are healing our bodies and guts. I decided to just ignore the scales because I could feel my body changing shape. I was slimmer and didn't look like a bloated shamu in the midsection. If I eat eggplant I immediately swell and feel miserable. It's amazing how you start learning the tell tell signs of something you should avoid. I love roasted eggplant dip and have eaten it for 20 years, just didn't realize until I got rid of all avoids that it's not good for me. Just take your supplements and don't worry about the weight for now. When you heal your gut things will change naturally. I was just thrown off by excercise wreaking havoc on the success I have been able to have this month.

The way I have been able to lose the weight this month is by intermittent fasting. I eat 8 hours of the day (12 noon-8 PM) and fast the other 16. This actually causes your body to start burning fat for energy...God only knows I've got plenty fat reserves to sustain myself. Some days I get a little off schedule, but as long as I fast from 12-16 hours I lose weight. I am also consuming mostly compliant foods...an occasional chili pepper is my downfall. My blood sugar is stable now-no more dips causing me to eat when I am not hungry. I am also sleeping better than I have in years. I have given up all grains yet strangely enough I eat corn. I can't have gluten and was really missing bread. I found some masa that is non-GMO and started making my own corn tortillas. They make great breakfast tacos!!! They are very satisfying and have 3 ingredients-masa, water and salt. I put some hot paprika in the flour and they were really yummy.
I am going to go check out our YMCA on Monday. They have an indoor olympic pool and sauna. Hopefully they have yoga or some form of less stressful exercise. Might do some light weights, but nothing major. I just have one of those "all or nothing" personalities and you wonderful folks have helped me realize that all or nothing when it comes to excercise just won't work. My body was letting me know that this is not acceptable. I need to find out what hours they are the least busy. School is out so they may have a lot of kid activities. I love kids, just don't do well with chaos and a lot of noise.

Thank you again everyone! You guys have really helped me and I'm glad unclepaul was able to get some useful information. When your body starts feeling great again you just think you can turn into a warrior princess and take on the world, but for us A's that's just not going to happen.
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Been in diet/exercise mode here as well.  Came back from a week's trip in Boulder, CO, cheating like crazy, but had lots of fun, and tipped the scales at 252 when I came back.  I immediately went on my SWAMI, emphasizing diamonds/superfoods, and in 20 days have lost 12 pounds.  It was about a pound a day there for a while, but it's coming off a lot slower now.  I'm walking about 20-30 minutes a day.  Last night, just for kicks, I hopped on the scale before bed, just to see what I weighed.  It said 244.  Then this morning I get on after the morning pee, and it says 240.  Wow, lost 4 pounds overnight?  But compared to the previous morning's weigh-in, it was a 1 pound weight loss.  I must be a calorie-burning furnace while I'm sleeping, that's just insane.  Everyone keep it up, this is a great time to be eating right and exercising.
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I agree Adam- it seems like many are motivated right now. It's really good to have a support group. I love Colorado! We are planning a trip to Telluride the first week of September. We love it at that time because the aspens are starting to turn that gorgeous gold color...beautiful!!!
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Uh... Corn is bad for insulin activity and it's the only grain you eat..

Warriors are not suppose to be grain free.
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Juliebug is right, Uncle Paul! You guys are not old...mere babes!

Remember, patience ( a virtue I am constantly working on  ) is needed when waiting for weight loss! It will happen! I was frustrated during my wash out period on swami because I saw no loss..stayed the same....for almost 2 1/2 months!!! Then, all of a sudden, it just fell off!!! Crazy but true. I just stuck to my swami, exercised at least 3 times a week, and rotated my food.

Chloe, Your DH sounds exactly like mine! Weird because mine is an O hunter. He has the 2 speeds you described, loses weight easily when watching diet, snores so loud whole house could hear (but was diagnosed with sleep apnea so now sleeps with C-pap machine and no snoring and better sleep). Interestingly his mother was an A and his father an O. I also envy him for being able to just pop out of bed, very early in the morning, and get right into his day!!!! Takes me a little while to actually be completely awake. Is that an A thing?  


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I agree about the corn.  I'd drop that completely from your diet.  I'd recommend making some flax bread, but not the common recipe you find on the internet with all the eggs added to it.  To the ground flax, add spices that you like (cocoa!), add in superfood flours, and add some soymilk and water for liquid.

Yeah, I loved Boulder so much, I'm going back first week of September to hike the waterfall trails in Estes Park.
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I agree about the corn.  I'd drop that completely from your diet.  I'd recommend making some flax bread, but not the common recipe you find on the internet with all the eggs added to it.  To the ground flax, add spices that you like (cocoa!), add in superfood flours, and add some soymilk and water for liquid.

Yeah, I loved Boulder so much, I'm going back first week of September to hike the waterfall trails in Estes Park.


Try to figure this one out...if I eat brown rice, quinoa, or any other grain I gain weight.  If I eat corn or oatmeal for breakfast, I lose weight. I had grits and turkey bacon the other day with ghee and maple syrup...no problem.  
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Try to figure this one out...if I eat brown rice, quinoa, or any other grain I gain weight.  If I eat corn or oatmeal for breakfast, I lose weight. I had grits and turkey bacon the other day with ghee and maple syrup...no problem.  


How is corn rated for you?

I don't do particularly well on brown rice....causes me bloat and constipation....and quinoa I don't
like well enough to eat very often.  Corn on the other hand....yum....but if it's a toxin, I wouldn't
be eating it regularly.  For me corn is a black dot.


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How is corn rated for you?

I don't do particularly well on brown rice....causes me bloat and constipation....and quinoa I don't
like well enough to eat very often.  Corn on the other hand....yum....but if it's a toxin, I wouldn't
be eating it regularly.  For me corn is a black dot.


Corn is a neutral for me. I forgot...I can also do rye. I made a rye bread with flax  and molasses that I really liked. It was "accidental" and I'm not sure exactly how I made it, but I kept dumping stuff in the bread machine until I liked the consistency.  
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Try to figure this one out...if I eat brown rice, quinoa, or any other grain I gain weight.  If I eat corn or oatmeal for breakfast, I lose weight. I had grits and turkey bacon the other day with ghee and maple syrup...no problem.  


I used to go to the trouble of preparing oat bran (a diamond for me) for breakfast each morning, and just got tired of it after a while, plus it was somewhat time consuming, and too much to think about first thing in the morning.  Now, I just get out a piece of flaxbread from the freezer, pop it in the toaster, and have it with my coffee.  No muss, no fuss.  And the flax is a great food for everyone.  I put oat bran and oat flour in it.  It's really tasty and convenient.  Out of the toaster, it's almost like having a pop tart for breakfast.  And, I make it during a late afternoon on the weekends (usually Sunday) when I'm bored, awake, and want something to do.  Then, I'm set for the rest of my mornings and during some of my other meals, too.
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Quoted from Juliebug


Corn is a neutral for me. I forgot...I can also do rye. I made a rye bread with flax  and molasses that I really liked. It was "accidental" and I'm not sure exactly how I made it, but I kept dumping stuff in the bread machine until I liked the consistency.  


For blood type A secretors, corn is neutral but toxic to all other blood types and nonnies...so I'm
thinking you're probably not following a SWAMI and are doing the BTD, which is fine.  Just think
if you were trying to lose weight and SWAMI calculated your intake of grains and starchy foods,
you might not be seeing corn listed as neutral.  But if corn works for you, eat it.  The BTD works well for those who choose to follow it!  Until the GTD book came out, I followed the BTD for A for almost 20 years.....and never gained weight from corn.


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