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Lloyd
Friday, May 23, 2014, 12:31pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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http://openheart.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000032.full?sid=d00d760d-783b-44d2-b3f1-930494b1b922

More evidence in favor of fats and saturated fats.

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Several other randomised trials indicate that a low-carbohydrate diet reduces weight and improves lipids more than a low-fat diet.14–18 Thus, reducing carbohydrates, as opposed to fat, seems to have more favourable effects on atherogenic dyslipidaemia, inflammation, thrombogenic and atherosclerotic surrogate markers.10–18 From these data, it is easy to comprehend that the global epidemic of atherosclerosis, heart disease, diabetes, obesity and the metabolic syndrome is being driven by a diet high in carbohydrate/sugar as opposed to fat, a revelation that we are just starting to accept.


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Other human trials, not included in the aforementioned meta-analysis, include the Anti-Coronary Club trial, which showed that more people died (overall (26 vs 6) and due to coronary heart disease (8 vs 0)) when saturated fat was replaced with polyunsatured fat.23 The National Diet Heart Trial, a randomised, double-blind study, also showed a higher number of cardiovascular events (n=4) on a diet that was high in the polyunsaturated(P)/saturated(S) fat ratio (2 : 1), than on a diet high in saturated fat (n=1, P/S=0.4).24 Thus, advice to replace saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats (ie, Ω-6) may increase the risk of coronary heart disease, cardiovascular events, death due to coronary heart disease and overall mortality.21–24


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Dietary recommendations based on evidence from the literature

    Dietary guideline recommendations suggesting the replacement of saturated fat with carbohydrates/Ω-6 polyunsaturated fats do not reflect the current evidence in the literature.

    A change in these recommendations is drastically needed as public health could be at risk.

    The increase in the prevalence of diabetes and obesity in the USA occurred with an increase in the consumption of carbohydrate not saturated fat.

    There is no conclusive proof that a low-fat diet has any positive effects on health. Indeed, the literature indicates a general lack of any effect (good or bad) from a reduction in fat intake.

    The public fear that saturated fat raises cholesterol is completely unfounded as the low-density lipoprotein particle size distribution is worsened when fat is replaced with carbohydrate.

    A public health campaign is drastically needed to educate on the harms of a diet high in carbohydrate/sugar.

    It would be naive to assume that any recommendations related to carbohydrate or fat intake would apply to processed foods, which undoubtedly should be avoided if possible.
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I am interested in what Dr D's view on this is.  If we take the basic type O diet and focus on beneficials - that leaves out most added saturated fat.  If we then go by the 'lean grass-fed meat' recommendation there is actually very little saturated fat being taken in at all - olive oil is the only beneficial oil if I recall correctly - butter and ghee are only neutral on BTD.  Tallow is not listed.  Heavy cream I am assuming is avoid as half and half are listed.  What this leaves you with is a diet rich in lean meat, fish, fruits and vegetables and some olive oil and walnuts.

I am aware the genotype and Swami diets rate ghee for example as beneficial for a lot of people - but a lot of people are doing BTD.

I personally swing from doing high fat lower carb to doing basic BTD as I can't tolerate a lot of the recommendations on my Swami without gaining weight (when I am not pregnant)- at this time I am heavily pregnant anyway so I haven't been very compliant unfortunately craving cheese and coconut milk and cream - all of which are terrible for me.  But that is beside the point and maybe not relevant to this post.

Any thoughts on this?
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If we take the basic type O diet and focus on beneficials - that leaves out most added saturated fat.  If we then go by the 'lean grass-fed meat' recommendation there is actually very little saturated fat being taken in at all - olive oil is the only beneficial oil if I recall correctly - butter and ghee are only neutral on BTD.  

Any thoughts on this?


Sure. Too much of anything can be a problem.

I don't think we need to focus on adding more fat to the type O diet. Instead we need to appreciate that the fats are there and preferred over polyunsaturated fat. The O diet is not low fat by any stretch and in fact, my SWAMI Hunter diet is relatively low carb - just not to the extremes of those who count carbs.

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Ghee is also beneficial, and neutral fats include butter, the fat from any compliant animals, and coconut oil for non-secretors. In GTD and SWAMI, coconut oil is "beneficial" for many people, not just O nonnies.


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yes but I am talking about BTd - ghee is only classed as neutral for everybody.  Coconut oil is neutral for O nonnies ONLY - avoid for everybody else if I remember correctly.  Compliance is supposed to be mostly eating beneficials.  Personally this has been a huge issue for me and I ended up eating a lot of olive oil to sub for other fats.
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Compliance is about eating beneficials and neutrals, and avoiding the "avoids." There's no problem with eating neutrals, so long as you save room for plenty of  beneficials too.


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hmm well not from what I read on here - I seem to remember compliance stated as being 90% beneficials for most people.  I actually read it in the FAQs.  My only point is that if you really follow the BTD then it ends up being really not much saturated fat at all - type O supposedly needing it?
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  My only point is that if you really follow the BTD then it ends up being really not much saturated fat at all - type O supposedly needing it?


Have you run a typical beef or poultry serving through a nutrition calculator to see how much saturated fat there is?

Typical 90% lean ground beef has 4.3 grams (of 11 fat grams total) saturated fat per 3 oz serving.

I'm not sure why you want to look for more than is already in the diet.
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I am interested in what Dr D's view on this is.  If we take the basic type O diet and focus on beneficials - that leaves out most added saturated fat.  If we then go by the 'lean grass-fed meat' recommendation there is actually very little saturated fat being taken in at all - olive oil is the only beneficial oil if I recall correctly - butter and ghee are only neutral on BTD.  Tallow is not listed.  Heavy cream I am assuming is avoid as half and half are listed.  What this leaves you with is a diet rich in lean meat, fish, fruits and vegetables and some olive oil and walnuts.

I am aware the genotype and Swami diets rate ghee for example as beneficial for a lot of people - but a lot of people are doing BTD.

I personally swing from doing high fat lower carb to doing basic BTD as I can't tolerate a lot of the recommendations on my Swami without gaining weight (when I am not pregnant)- at this time I am heavily pregnant anyway so I haven't been very compliant unfortunately craving cheese and coconut milk and cream - all of which are terrible for me.  But that is beside the point and maybe not relevant to this post.

Any thoughts on this?
I recall that lamb, beef and turkey are all beneficial, and I thought that ghee is considered beneficial, too.  These foods provide saturated fat.  True, there are nuts, seeds and oils listed as beneficial,  but I think saturated fat out numbers poly unsat. under btd O



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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What's interesting in Lloyd's citation is that Medicine has been coming around to seeing this.

But here, at dadamo, it may be misleading to diverge from Peter's Individuality stance.

I was impressed with an MD who said to me, 2 years ago, "For some people, it's starches -not fats- that drive heart disease." He got the "some people" aspect right, though the identification of any precise marker is something the medical profession is not, it seems, yet ready to pursue. I was impressed that he at least wasn't espousing a One-Size-Fits-All philosophy.

I've worked with the rough assumption that those of us (O,B) who do well with animal fats benefit from this knowledge, while those who need to be vegetarian might do better with the lower and the unsaturated. No hard and fast rule, because some vege- and pesca-tarians use dairy, perhaps well.
When the large samples of mega-funded studies take (for instance) bloodtype into consideration, we may actually see our theories corroborated!  


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I observed that transfats & the combination with carb uploads makes the negative aspects... and then a lot of A'ers might be prone to heart diseases but merely due to internalized angers...as well of the O's with their externalize rages ....
and I'm also convinced that almost the chemicals in the junkfoods do their own badies as well.... read the labels...as usual and go for veggies-fruits and bennies of your btd/gtd/swamielists....
next thema: too less of exercises (oops and this from me... ....but also must we become aware that the demands from society to be more and more flexible on working times...no even demandings to be accurate available 24x24 hours... I think here also is the most evident culprit called: stress........
We need to become aware being used by big phirms or.... and nearly not able to say no coz of fears to have no more job tomorrow.... .... and what will be next!!!


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if anyone wants not to get fat and overweight he/she must have a diet.... and get far from having supper


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