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narnia
Sunday, March 9, 2014, 8:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I was wondering...can we tell what an avoid for us is by how we feel after ingesting it?  

In other words, do we have reactions to avoids that we can discern, or can we not have reactions at all to some avoids, while it is still affecting lectin damage like a silent destroyer?


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Well, if I ate wheat unknowingly I would know within 20 minutes that I had done so, certain fruits would upset my tummy and give me welts, but vanilla must work on a very subtle level because I feel fine after ingesting it. I generally consume little to no avoids, but on occasion, vanilla in baked goods or a smoothie I enjoy. So all in all, I don't concern myself about it. The stress of thinking something awful will happen to me from having vanilla in my opinion is far worse that enjoying it a few times monthly!  
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I think the longer you are compliant, the more likely you will recognize a reaction.


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I can tell some avoids, but not all.

I do better at telling blood type avoids than GenoType avoids.

SWAMI aligns best with the avoids that I can tell. The avoids in SWAMI are closer to the blood type avoids than GenoType avoids.

I am a nonsecretor, so I pay no attention to the tier system.

But it might be that secretors could more readily tell tier one avoids than tier 2 avoids.


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I have the same reactions, or non-reactions as C_Sharp.  If I accidentally ingest the tiniest amount of potato anything I will have pain all over my body for a couple of days, and that is definitely a BT avoid.  Other avoids don't seem to affect me that I can tell, except that before SWAMI I had been eating too many of the neutrals that had been previous avoids for secretors and I gained 3 pounds that would not come off.

After just a couple weeks being very careful and extremely compliant on the SWAMI the 3 pounds was gone. Most of those "neutrals" are now black dots for me. There is definitely a message there.  


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healing is subtle

to each their own susceptibilities

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The only avoid that will really get me bad is pork.  The other white meat?  Um, no, more like the Evil Red Meat.  
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Thanks so much everyone, for your responses.

So, my question is....if I don't have any reaction at all to a particular food, does it mean that this particular "avoid" will not do me any lectin damage?


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..my question is....if I don't have any reaction at all to a particular food, does it mean that this particular "avoid" will not do me any lectin damage?

I don't think you can make this generality...  For instance, if your gut flora balance is very good, then you eat an avoid that reduces the robustness to a point that you still don't get gas or pain, you may not feel it, but the gut flora is compromised.  

If this is the case, you may get some bad food or other bug that a robust flora would have dealt with but since you have been eating this avoid, your flora doesn't fight it successfully and you end up with a nasty when you may have felt nothing or had a very minor case...

It is always an individual's choice to gamble...


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a friend/patient of mine would constantly try to 'negotiate' her basic bt avoids with me

until the day I ran a swami pro report, together with the fact sheet, explaining the whys behind every avoid

no more negotiating from that day on!!!


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Quoted from Lola
a friend/patient of mine would constantly try to 'negotiate' her basic bt avoids with me

until the day I ran a swami pro report, together with the fact sheet, explaining the whys behind every avoid

no more negotiating from that day on!!!


Thanks, Lola!  Would you mind giving me the "why" behind potatoes for Os?


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Quoted from ABJoe

I don't think you can make this generality...  For instance, if your gut flora balance is very good, then you eat an avoid that reduces the robustness to a point that you still don't get gas or pain, you may not feel it, but the gut flora is compromised.  

If this is the case, you may get some bad food or other bug that a robust flora would have dealt with but since you have been eating this avoid, your flora doesn't fight it successfully and you end up with a nasty when you may have felt nothing or had a very minor case...

It is always an individual's choice to gamble...


Thx!



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if these do not give you trouble, and you do not know your secretor status, follow the tiers guidelines in lrfyt

http://www.bing.com/search?cp=.....q1=site%3Adadamo.com


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Quoted from C_Sharp
I am a nonsecretor, so I pay no attention to the tier system.

But it might be that secretors could more readily tell tier one avoids than tier 2 avoids.
That sounds like secretors are more sensitive? I thought it was the other way round - or have I misinterpreted this?

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That sounds like secretors are more sensitive? I thought it was the other way round - or have I misinterpreted this?

Per Live Right...  Rhesus Negative or Non-Secretors or others with health issues should ignore the tier system and use all ratings as shown in the book.  Therefore, if it is an avoid in tier 2 of the book, we avoid it - so therefore, don't know if we react to them or not...

Therefore, it is only Secretors who should know whether they react more to tier 1 than tier 2 avoids or not...


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Aaah that makes sense of the previous comment/directive... Thanks Joe!!
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Yes and yes. I can ingest a trace amount of wheat flour (or inhale it in a room where people have been baking, or get some on my skin) and react within minutes. Dairy products make me congested within a few hours, and it takes a few days for the reaction to completely dissipate. Cucumber makes my tummy feel weird but doesn't seem to have any obvious long-term effects. But coconut milk or chopped coconut? No discernable reaction whatsoever.

If I was figuring out my "ideal diet" via trial and error and a diet diary, I'd never have known to remove coconut products. Yet I'm pretty sure they're still causing lectin damage, and I have too much healing to do. I can't afford to slow down my progress by eating avoids. So I only eat coconut once or twice a year, in small amounts, as a very special treat. It's no longer a staple.


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Thanks, everyone!!  This makes it more clear!


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I was wondering...can we tell what an avoid for us is by how we feel after ingesting it?  

Sometimes yes.  Not always.

In other words, do we have reactions to avoids that we can discern, or can we not have reactions at all to some avoids, while it is still affecting lectin damage like a silent destroyer?

We can definitely have no obvious reaction to an avoid, yet it is still doing silent damage.  That silent damage can show up months, years, or even decades later, in the form of disease.





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Thank you!  Back to "the book!"  


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I was wondering...can we tell what an avoid for us is by how we feel after ingesting it?  

In other words, do we have reactions to avoids that we can discern, or can we not have reactions at all to some avoids, while it is still affecting lectin damage like a silent destroyer?

It all depends on the specific avoid and the specific individual.  In the case of wheat, for example, most Type O's who have ever abstained from it for any length of time will notice some adverse reactions if they eat it again, and wonder why they didn't notice it before (answer:  because they were used to it and experienced it as their baseline way of feeling, and/or they didn't put together the symptom[s] they were experiencing with the wheat).  Other avoids might impact one member of a blood type dramatically but another may not experience any obvious effects.  And yes, there can be a lot going on inside, damage-wise, especially over the long term, without noticing anything symptom-wise, at least not for a while.  Sometimes the effects are cumulative.

So again, your question is very, very broad and the answer has to be, therefore, that it all depends, as each avoid is as individual as we are--each one is unique and is an avoid for a given type for a certain reason or set of reasons.  Within blood types and/or genotypes, some members may have greater or lesser reactions to the same avoid, so to me this question is attempting to get a "reductionist" answer, if you will, to something that actually requires very specific answers for each avoid.

The beauty part is, Dr. D. has put a little bit of reasoning for each avoid into TypeBase, so that often gives us a clue as to why it is an avoid and sometimes what the effect(s) could be of ingesting it.


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