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Kasia
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Hi there
I've been following the Hunter Diet for about 1.5 years now. Generally it really helped me; I've lost weight and I don't feel bloated or lethargic anymore. My remaining health issue is rosacea. My face has been covered with red spots for months and it doesn't seem to get any better. I had the same problem a few years ago and it got better after taking antibiotics for half a year (which I hated) but I don't really want to take them this time. I've searched the net and found an article about treating rosacea with the alkaline diet (see http://www.energiseforlife.com/wordpress/2006/04/30/the-alkaline-diet-and-rosacea/). It sounds promising but it conflicts with my blood type/genotype diet! It says that I should avoid beef and lamb and even consider becoming vegetarian!
I don't really know what to do now... Any helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Kasia

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Thank you for quick replies

Lola - I admit I don't know my secretor status. When I read the 'Eat right 4 your type' book I really wanted to find out my status. However I then read 'The Genotype Diet' and realised that in my case it doesn't really matter whether I am a secretor or non-secretor.
I am type O Rh+, torso longer than legs, lower leg is longer than upper leg, ring fingers are longer than index fingers on both hands - in which case both secretors and non-secretors are classified as Hunters.
But thanks for the links! The first one made me aware that I might have Candida and the second one is very interesting and explains the blood type secretion so well)

Tom Martens - you also pointed out that I might be a Candida sufferer. I really have to check that out as soon as possible! Thanks!
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The secretor status is still important.


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Hi there
I've been following the Hunter Diet for about 1.5 years now. Generally it really helped me; I've lost weight and I don't feel bloated or lethargic anymore. My remaining health issue is rosacea. My face has been covered with red spots for months and it doesn't seem to get any better. I had the same problem a few years ago and it got better after taking antibiotics for half a year (which I hated) but I don't really want to take them this time. I've searched the net and found an article about treating rosacea with the alkaline diet (see http://www.energiseforlife.com/wordpress/2006/04/30/the-alkaline-diet-and-rosacea/). It sounds promising but it conflicts with my blood type/genotype diet! It says that I should avoid beef and lamb and even consider becoming vegetarian!
I don't really know what to do now... Any helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Kasia

Kasia, your GenoType (hunter) diet or your BTD (O) diet are going to be the most customized anti-inflamatory diets for you.  Either one will help keep your acid/alkaline balance in perfect balance for you, too.  I have rosacea (diagnosed quite a few years back now) and I don't use the antibiotics, and mine has not progressed at all since it was noticed by a dermatologist at a routine check.  We were done with the exam and, at the very end of the appointment as I was getting ready to leave the exam room, she said "Is there anything else concerning you?" and then I remembered something I really wanted to bring up, so I said, well, yeah, what is with my "Ronald Reagan cheeks"?  I meant that my cheeks always look red and sunburned even when they aren't.  I was afraid it might be skin cancer, like basal cell carcinoma.  She said "Oh, that's rosacea" and she gave me some free samples of a topical antibiotic and wrote out a script for when they ran out, which basically said to use it every day FOREVER.

Well, I started researching into that and learned that, one, they basically know NOTHING about rosacea and are just throwing anything and everything at it, and some of the things work to varying degrees for some folks, some do not.  Two, it said on the antibiotic tube not to use it if pregnant.  So, not that I was pregnant, but that got me thinking that some of the topical antibiotic must absorb internally/systemically into you enough so that it would be a concern to a developing fetus, if the fetus were constantly exposed.  That got me further thinking that I don't want a low-level of antibiotics infusing my system at all times, for the rest of my life.  So, I chucked the tubes into the trash.  The following year, she said your rosacea looks good, I said I haven't been using the antibiotics you told me to use, and she said "Oh you really don't need to."  SEE, this is the thing about doctors:  they will prescribe something sometimes because they think that all American patients want them to write out a script anytime they diagnose anything, or anytime the patient says they are feeling poorly.  Most Americans don't QUESTION their doctors re what is being prescribed and why, because our culture says doctors know everything.  If you do ask questions, many doctors actually get very huffy and threatened about it and those are the ones I walk away from and never return to.  Anyway, most of the time, if you ask questions, you find out, well, you don't really need this, or maybe the side effects are worse than the original disease, or whatever.

Anyway, so all I do for my rosacea is to try to eat my customized, inherently anti-inflamatory hybrid of the GTD/BTD (which SWAMI recommends for me...I mainly do GTD, with a twist of BTD ), and theoretically I try to keep my face from getting too much sun (but I live in Florida, so that ship has basically sailed).  I should wear sunscreen, and a generous amount at that.  Instead, no, I don't do that.  Can't explain why other than the chemicals in same freak me out.  It's kinda like "they" (the entire world-o-"experts") say I should take calcium supplements yet I don't.  I think my bone density is fine and dandy.  Again:  GTD!

edited to add:  it seems that rosacea is usually about inflamation in the body, often caused in us O's by years of eating wheat, basically, but to put it more complexly, years of eating the standard modern diet which is very anti-O.  The inflamation ultimately is expressing itself as the rosacea constellation of symptoms on your skin.  Your body is trying to detox and to "cool" itself (if you think of the Ayurvedic model, the inflamatory anti-O foods such as the wheat lectin are "hot", inflamatory actors in our O systems...it isn't a good kind of detoxifying heat such one gets with turmeric/curry powders, it is more of an inflamatory, makes-our-bodies-scream-"I can't process this stuff out and it is throwing me all out of balance!" kind of "heat").  So your skin reacts almost like if you were burned, by getting red and inflamed in a largely futile (if we keep ingesting the offending foodstuffs) attempt to detox and "cool" you back down.  Therefore, like I said, the solution for many of us O's especially is to follow our BTD or GTD, both of which are supremely anti-inflamatory for us.  


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I had pretty bad rosacea starting on the diet.

It went away very, very slowly. Now I am completely free of rosacea. (Thanks, Dr. D!)

I started the diet 4 years ago. It may take some time and dedication.

Best of luck. You can do it.
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I was given a book, with the alkaline food list, and while the red meat etc are on the high side, everything else in my swami was alkaline.  Since your doing the Geno diet. Look at the other foods and concentrate on your alkaline benes. and see if that helps.


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P.S.  Kasia, you say you've been following your Hunter diet for 1.5 years.  May I ask if you are highly compliant regarding avoiding wheat?  If not, if you even eat just a little wheat every week, that could be the culprit, as it is profoundly inflamatory to us O's.  Also, do you eat spelt or bread called "Ezekiel" bread?  True Ezekial would be totally sprouted, rendering the wheat lectin harmless to us and thus fine for you, yet the commercial brands for sale in HFS' usually have regular old wheat in them, thus they are anything but fine for us.  In short:  if there is any remaining wheat in your diet, I would strongly recommend shifting to very high compliance re totally avoiding it.  I consume brown basmati rice for my staple grain, fyi.  It isn't inflamatory at all (it not only has no offending lectin, it has no gluten, which can also be a big culprit in rosacea).

Good luck to you!

(FYI, unfortunately, if you eat out in restaurants a lot, you will be getting some hidden flour/wheat in your food, too.  Don't know if you do eat out, but that could be a culprit, too.)


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Dear Peppermint Twist, thank you for taking so much time and sharing your experiences with me) I appreciate it very much. I have to say, majority of doctors in England (where I live now) and in Poland (where I come from) have got exactly the same attitude towards patients as your American ones;-)
That's why I was so happy when I came across Dr D'Adamo's books and this website

When I said that I've been following the GenoType diet for 1.5 years now I should have added that I'm trying to stick to it as much as possible but it's never 100%. The biggest problem for me is to give up bread... I stopped eating wheat almost completely but I do eat spelt bread and spelt pasta on regular basis. I also have a cup of coffee every day as it helps me to wake up in the morning (I have a low blood pressure).

PCUK-Positive, why is the secretor status still important? I know that I am a Hunter so how would it change things?

Thanks again for all the replies;-)
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Quoted from Kasia

...why is the secretor status still important? I know that I am a Hunter so how would it change things?


(sort of) independent of your GenoType, Being a non secretor does changes some of your food values.  It also make a difference in your body's biochemical makeup and response to the outside world.  

Also:
  
Needing more protein

Having thicker blood

Having more dental issues

Prone to allergies and auto immune problems

Lower stomach acid

Mis information on tumor maker levels

and much more!


http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Secretor_Status


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The GenoTye diet book is an approximation between all blood groups and secretor and non-secretor, and the SWAMI is a more accurate more personalised investigation into the individual genetics of the person.


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Rosacea usually requires some bowel/microbiome restructuring. Sufferers often have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which ramps up the inflammation on the skin (and explains why antibiotics like Doxycyclin exert 'anti-inflammatory' effects).


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Dear Peppermint Twist, thank you for taking so much time and sharing your experiences with me) I appreciate it very much. I have to say, majority of doctors in England (where I live now) and in Poland (where I come from) have got exactly the same attitude towards patients as your American ones;-)
That's why I was so happy when I came across Dr D'Adamo's books and this website

Yay!  I know, I thank my lucky stars all the time for Dr D.  I would be 97 lbs heavier (at least) and totally ruled by food cravings without his wonderful work, just to name one reason my lucky stars get such continual thanking.
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When I said that I've been following the GenoType diet for 1.5 years now I should have added that I'm trying to stick to it as much as possible but it's never 100%. The biggest problem for me is to give up bread... I stopped eating wheat almost completely but I do eat spelt bread and spelt pasta on regular basis. I also have a cup of coffee every day as it helps me to wake up in the morning (I have a low blood pressure).

Is there some other type of compliant bread, such as a 100% rye or rice bread, that you can get your hands on, so that you wouldn't be consuming spelt?  You could be sensitive to spelt, especially if you are a non-secretor.  It could be a big culprit in your rosacea not clearing up, I'm sorry to say.  "Nonnies" are more sensitive to basically everything than our secretor brethren and sistren, especially nonnie O's with wheat, even an ancient 1st cousin of wheat (a.k.a., spelt).


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Roseacea usually requires some bowel/microbiome restructuring. Sufferers often have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which ramps up the inflammation on the skin (and explains why antibiotics like Doxycyclin exert 'anti-inflammatory' effects).

Oooooh, I'm so thrilled that Dr. D weighed in on this, what an interesting point.  So, Kasia, a positive approach to mitigating this would be to consume beneficial probiotics in your diet.  Another GREAT thing for O's and O non-secretors (which I suspect you may be) especially is nutritional yeast (I like the KAL brand flakes myself--there is an entire saved sticky thread on delicious ways to eat this--I love the stuff).  Not to be confused with candida, this is BENEFICIAL yeast and also contains the full spectrum of B vitamins and a lot of good minerals.  Ironically, if you were to really OD on niacin (one of the B's), it can cause flushing, but that would be really hard to do with a whole food supplement like nutritional yeast (not as hard with a niacin supplement).  Oftentimes, something that can cause symptoms similar to what we are trying to cure is actually GOOD for curing the underlying sitch.  This is, in fact, the entire principle of homeopathy, i.e., "the law of similars".  For example, onion is good for someone with a cold, even though it can make your eyes run.

Anyway:  get the secretor test, you'll be glad you did.  If you find out you are a non-secretor, it can be an important piece of the puzzle of you  .


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P.S.  Kasia, you should also read "Live Right for Your Type", as it delves deeply into the topic of secretor status.  The one thing to bear in mind is that there is a typo throughout re suggested fruit portions--it says something like five servings per WEEK, but it really means per DAY, which is a huge diff (somewhere on this site there is or used to be an "errata" section that listed that as something to be aware of).  It might say that about veggies, too, I forget (I'm at work right now and don't have access to my copy of the bok).  In other words, stick with your GTD diet/lists/etc. but read LR4YT for the awesomely enlightening secretor info.  


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Geez, I hope we're not throwing too much information at you.        It's easy to get overwhelmed around here but just do the best you can with it all.  You don't need to figure all this stuff out and/or instantly understand it all at once.  There's a lot to this diet theory, substance-wise.  It's kind of like the relationship between math and music, which I was pondering yesterday:  when math is presented to you as math, it can seem flat and overwhelming and like why should I care.  But then when you listen to music, and you realize that it actually is math, it's like:  WOW!  Once the pieces of the diet puzzle all come together and you start experiencing truly profound results in your health, you get that same:  WOW.


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When I consume a variety of probiotics - cultured veg, kumbucha, yogurt - my rosacea clears right up    If I'm negligent it's back in a flash  


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When I consume a variety of probiotics - cultured veg, kumbucha, yogurt - my rosacea clears right up    If I'm negligent it's back in a flash  

^ Interesting...especially in light of Dr. D.'s comments.


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