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I'm switching over one of my cat's diets over from natural dry food to raw food (called the BARF diet). She has become very inflamed and she's suffering from significant skin problems and hair loss. We've been using Dinovite for a few weeks now (which has good reviews about this kind of problem), but we've only seen minimal results.

I am familiar with the BARF diet as how it should be used for dogs, but as I"m educating myself about how to use it for cats. I've heard a lot about the importance of using some kind of probiotic. I have a bottle of Intrinsa in the house and the ingredients seem natural enough where I tend to believe it should be fine for my cat, but I thought I'd get some opinions on it from others that feed their pets naturally.


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I add larch powder to my dog's homemade food-- seems to have cleared up a long time skin condition.


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Intrinsa isn't a probiotic with live cell beneficial bacteria.  Polyflora is the probiotic from Dr. D., although I don't know which type would be most appropriate for a cat.  I doubt Intrinsa would harm the cat and would probably do it good by helping to heal the digestive tract, it just won't provide the probiotic.  


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I agree w/Andrea on this one....I think larch powder could be helpful for an animal.


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They sell it just for pets which is why I gave it to my dog.

http://www.pureformulas.com/ar.....sthash.Zcxnbldm.dpbs


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I checked the bottle and Intrinsa does have 70 mg of larch arabinogalactan per serving (2 capsules), as well as the butyric and caprylic acid. If I pull open a capsule I could give her a small amount each day with her food. The small amount per day wouldn't take much away from me as I have been using the Intrinsa myself.

I checked out the link, Andrea, and I may purchase that product or something similar in the near future. I think I'm going to have to apply the BARF diet to all 4 of my cats as it is just too hard in this house to separate my sickly cat from the others for her special diet. Perhaps I"ll also switch my almost 1 year old beagle to the BARF diet strictly sometime in the future, although she does get to chew on marrow bones occasionally.

ABJoe, I think my cat has developed allergies because of the dry foods high grain content, even though the food contains no meat by-products, wheat, or corn. Many websites I've read say this is very common in cats and dogs. Cleansing her digestive tract with the Intrinsa while providing her quality meat while slowly eliminating the dry food will likely do her a lot of good in the upcoming days and weeks.  


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My dog had a scabie rash on her back on and off for about a year or more, I suspect it was yeast. Added Ara6 to her food and changed her from beef to chicken, rash is completely gone.
I make homemade meatballs from raw chicken for her.


It cleared up really quickly with the changes I made.


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I'm switching over one of my cat's diets over from natural dry food to raw food (called the BARF diet). She has become very inflamed and she's suffering from significant skin problems and hair loss. We've been using Dinovite for a few weeks now (which has good reviews about this kind of problem), but we've only seen minimal results.

I am familiar with the BARF diet as how it should be used for dogs, but as I"m educating myself about how to use it for cats. I've heard a lot about the importance of using some kind of probiotic. I have a bottle of Intrinsa in the house and the ingredients seem natural enough where I tend to believe it should be fine for my cat, but I thought I'd get some opinions on it from others that feed their pets naturally.

Intrinsa is not a probiotic, and also I would not give it to a cat, but rather would go to a health food store, or a holistically oriented vet or pet supply place and purchase a good feline probiotic supplement, if you want to give your cat a probiotic.  Their systems are very different from ours and many of the ingredients in Intrinsa are not things that a cat's system has evolved to process.  Save the Intrinsa for yourself and get kitty something that is "right for her type".  



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I add larch powder to my dog's homemade food-- seems to have cleared up a long time skin condition.


Wish I had known about this when we had our Malamute. He was a beautiful, princely dog but tormented with a skin condition he had when we got him. Our vet tried everything he knew to try and so did I, but the poor dog just kept getting worse. We adopted him from a houseful of college students who fed him, or not, whatever was available.


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Update: My cat "Furball", who is definitely not looking like a furball these days, is still not improving much in spite of the fact that she is strictly on a raw food diet and still getting a daily dose of Dinovite. We have concluded that the skin and hair loss issues are a direct result of a flea infestation in our home. We knew we had a flea problem for a while, but we were trying many different natural methods to rid the home and our other pets of them.

What I learned is that certain animals do develop actual allergies to flea bites, so we didn't realize that was the source of the problem since our other 3 cats and dog were not reacting in this way. Certainly after this many weeks on the new diet, if the root cause of the skin problems were directly related to poor nutrition associated with dry food, then we would be noticing some improvement.

So, as much as I was trying to avoid it, we are going the "chemical" route to rid the house of the flea infestation. We fogged the house a few days ago (yes, with all the pets out of it), and then shampooed all the animals with a flea shampoo, but we're still seeing some scratching and a few fleas, although less than before. 2 of the 6 bombs didn't go off and we REALLY don't want to bomb again as it is a lot of hassle preparing as well as cleaning up.

After carefully reviewing the different flea control/killer products on the market, I chose a brand that appears to have little or no side effects (when dosed properly) with the best results. They're oral meds, one is a flea control that's given once a month that actually sterilizes the flea larvae and eggs, while the other med actually kills the fleas physically on the animal within 30 minutes of dosage. I have not heard any reports of illness or extreme toxicity as long as these products are not overused. The key to controlling the infestation is generally through multiple measures, from thorough cleaning of the home repeatedly (which we've been doing) and yard, to good meds that control the flea population on your pet and around your home. I am confident that our efforts will bear fruit in due time. Wish us luck! This flea problem is becoming VERY annoying.


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I highly recommend the book "Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats". THere is a lot of information about building up the animal's immune system (just like we are doing on this lifestyle ). Click Here


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Coleen, if you would like to try homeopathy, the remedy Sulphur 30c is the treatment to try first, according to what I learned from the book Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Secrets to the Natural Health of Dogs & Cats by Richard H. Pitcairn and Susan Hubble Pitcairn.  

You give only one treatment.  The dose is "two whole pellets or three pellets crushed to a powder. Place on the tongue.  Give no food for one hour before and after the treatment.  Wait for a full month before any further treatment; it would be a mistake to repeat the remedy in a few days.  If at the end of that month no improvement is evident, then you will need to choose a new medicine".


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I've ordered Dr. Pitcairn's book; thanks for the recommendation Drea and MD. I've read many of the positive reviews and it sounds like it has very detailed and comprehensive information. Even raw food recipes sounds interesting to consider and perhaps try out. It sounds like it's just what I need for my whole crew of 4 cats and young beagle hound.

Oh, and my husband and I are "expecting", that is, expecting to get another dog to complete our family. The siberian husky dogs we raised years ago were about a year apart in age and getting our 2nd husky was the best thing we could do for our first husky. They were both husky mixes and quite a bit larger than female purebred huskies. So, since we're only interested in medium sized dogs now (for many practical reasons I won't get into) we are starting to look for a female gray/silver husky puppy that's affordable in price.

We'll keep everybody apprised of the health situation of our "sick" cat.


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In my experience, NONE of the natural methods work against fleas.  I just had, and am still dealing with the fallout of, our first outbreak since moving to the new apartment.  I had stopped monthly flea prevention because they didn't have any (big mistake) in the new apartment, and I wanted to see if I could get away with not giving them anything toxic once per month.  Result?  Huge outbreak and, without going into detail, Hurley (the dog) had to go on a few days of cortisone (which really upsets me) due to something probably resulting from the fleas, so he would have been better off with just his monthly dose of Trifexis flea preventive--now he had to have BOTH the Trifexis and the cortisone, thanks to my daft decision to try to go "natural" yet again (it NEVER works).  Also, one of the cats has hair loss from the fleas.  In my experience, what works best at this juncture (and it is constantly changing, as fleas build immunity to products within a few years of them being introduced) is Trifexis (oral pill) for the dog (this is also a heartworm preventive), and if I give that to my dog, usually it seems to kill all the fleas in the household, so I don't need to give the following thing to the cats every month, but more like every six to eight weeks, I have to use the Vetra topical for cats.  Do NOT get the kind of Vectra that has stuff for other parasites, too, you want the plain Vectra flea preventive (the other kind is ineffective against fleas, though it is supposed to kill both fleas and ticks, but it does not contain enough of the flea preventive).  In my experience, Vectra is the best of what is currently out there for cats, yet even so, it does not necessarily work perfectly.  Your best defense is to give the dog Trifexis and that will rid the entire household of fleas within about a week.  Putting the Vectra on the cats is important for an active infestation but, once you get the fleas under control/GONE, if you have a dog and give the dog Trifexis, you might be able to get away with not dosing the cats with Vectra or another topical every month, but just as needed if you notice any scratching, etc.

People can give advice about natural flea remedies all they want and, my fave (not), they can say that only pets fed a poor diet get fleas, but the fact is, fleas love to feed on healthy hosts, and also the natural stuff doesn't work.  It is that simple.  Trust me, I've tried it all, and my pets have paid the consequences.


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Also, go to your VET for the flea products, do NOT buy over-the-counter stuff, especially anything by Sargeants or Hartz, which are very evil companies that sell highly toxic products that kill pets, not to put too fine a point on it.  Go for products the vet recommends, though FYI, in my experience, Revolution does NOT work.  Good luck.


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P.S.  Flea "bombs" are very old school and it is MUCH less toxic, more effective, and easier on you and your pets to use one of the newer topicals for the cats and to use Trifexis or Comfortis (Trifexis has the same ingredient as Comfortis, but with a heartworm preventive, too) oral pill for the dog.  The best way to treat your household/environment for fleas is to make it so they cannot feed off a host, which these medicines do, versus using a "bomb" which treats the environment.  Any fleas that live through the bombing, or new fleas that get into your house (or eggs that hatch, if the bomb doesn't address the eggs) will then start a new colony by feeding off your animal.  If you treat the animals in the house, ALL the fleas will eventually die (within about a week of treatment, max).

  I don't make the facts, I just report 'em, hideous as they are...sorry.


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I've had great results with feeding my animals raw and using Ticked Off for fleas on the cats as well as DE+ yarrow+ powdered neem as a topical for my dogs for both fleas and ticks. This year I'm also going to try nematodes for the yard.


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Good news, our crew of pets seem to be responding well to the flea medication they've been on just a few days now. My "Furball" has been particularly happy, energetic, and playful the last couple of days. Her rash/scabbiness seems to be decreasing also along with the hair gradually growing back in the affected areas.

Thanks for the advice Peppermint Twist and Drea, but for now we will continue treating with the meds we have that appear to be working well. By the way, Drea, we have Diatomaceous Earth and even though it wasn't a long term solution to killing the fleas on our pets, we will be using it when we vacuum our carpeted areas to ensure killing hatching flea larvae from eggs that weren't killed in the bombing. I will keep in mind the products you both recommended if we want to try something different in the future.


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omg, UPDATE:  I take back everything I said re recommending Vectra topical for cats.  Long story short, the dern fleas have up and built up an immunity to it already, so it is USELESS.  And my household has therefore got a SITUATION on its/our hands.  The dog is okay, as he is on Trifexis, yet some are still jumping on him from the environment, as they are having a field day on the cats.  However, the ones that get on the dog are dying.  The cats are going to probably have to go on the new cat version of "Comfortis" (same active ingredient as in Trifexis, only recently approved for cats), which I don't want to do.  But this is WAR.

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P.S. to my update above:  Good LORD.  Just talked to the vet--not the vet who I love, love, LOVE and have gone to for years, but his "new" (been there a few years now *lol*) associate, who is also good--and she said I should def go with the Comfortis for cats, but that is is a HUGE, unpalatable pill, and most clients break it up into several pieces and pill the cat several times (and I have three cats   ), and you can't really grind it up and put it into food because apparently it has a STRONG, repellant-to-cats smell and taste, and oh LORD, this does not sound like it is going to be a fun party.  War is h*ll.


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Just to be clear, flea "medication" is actually pesticide.


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I'm using Little City Dogs which is an affordable version of "Capstar". It works for cats up to 11 lbs. and dogs up to 30 lbs. I administered the once-a-month flea control pills to all 5 pets last week, and the flea killer can be used daily, but I've been giving my "Furball" and dog doses every other day as they appeared to have the most aggravation with the fleas. The other 3 cats have each received their 2nd dose today as it seemed like they were starting to scratch a little more the last day or so.

As I mentioned earlier, I purchased this product because of its good reviews on effectiveness and price. So far, I am all around very pleased with the product. If I need to repurchase in a month or so, I will so without hesitation as it does say that some infestations require more than a couple months to completely break the cycle.

Perhaps you'll want to look into the product as an option for your pets, Peppermint Twist. By the way, the Little City Dogs flea killer and flea control capsules are very easy to pull open and sprinkle on moist or raw cat food. None of my cats have rejected it, but I do make sure they're hungry enough when I administer it.


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Just to be clear, flea "medication" is actually pesticide.

True, which is why I have not as yet acted on the Comfortis-for-cats thing.  I'm uncomfortable enough about it for my dog, yet the spinosad (active ingredient in Comfortis) does work well on him for fleas, and since the brand he gets is Trifexis, it prevents heartworm (a big issue here in Florida) as well, as it contains something for that, too.  STILL, I hate giving it to him.  So far, I have not been able to bring myself to go get the Comfortis for cats--plus I flat haven't had time, as my vet is faaaaar away and I've been workin' and stuff since I conferred with the vet a few days ago or whenever it was.  I still have one round of Vectra left, so I will probably go ahead and use that and see if it works better, as we had a real outbreak on our hands, so maybe it will take two rounds (the one from a few weeks ago, plus one more) ...but personally I think the fleas are now immune to the Vectra.

I hate fleas.  I know they are part of the interconnected web of life, but STILL--they gots ta GO.  


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I'm not judging, but there are safer routes to go re: fleas and ticks. I could give you a reading list, if you'd like. Number one item on all lists is to use food as medicine (where have I heard that before? ). A healthy animal resists pests much better than a unhealthy one.


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I've been reading Dr. Pitcairn's book as I've had it a few days now. It has excellent advice about natural flea control, including dietary additions such as brewers yeast and garlic which I"m planning to include into my pets diets.

So, it happened. We bought a 5month old Siberian Husky today advertised on Craig's list. She fit the profile of what we needed and wanted. Our beagle is stressed out as she's having a hard time interpreting our puppies enthusiasm as play. But our husky has shown signs of submission and clearly means no harm. Our beagle feels under attack, but I"m sure in a few days they'll work out their territorial issues.

You know what they say, "what goes around comes around". Our beagle has done the exact same thing to our cats and though they've learned to coexist, the cats also misinterpret her playfulness with them.


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