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narnia
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Hello everyone!

It has been quite a while since I last posted!  I have been doing well on the new way of eating...thrilled with having gotten back my youthful figure!  I have been very busy with my business so I have not had much time for posting, etc.  Thanks to everyone for all your support in my early days to get me through all the questions and the tough times!  

I have a question.  I made some cookies the other night, ingredients were:

1 1/3 cup Namaste "Perfect Flour Blend"
1 tsp baking soda
1/2 tsp sea salt
8 Tbsp ghee
3/4 cup natural almond butter (ground at home with raw almonds)
1/4 cup Organic Blue Agave  
1 cup chopped walnuts (soaked and dried)

The cookies were delicious but very crumbly, perhaps because I reduced the agave by less than half the amount called for.

Anyway...the problem....I ate 3 cookies and after about 20 min, I had bad nausea.  It went away after about an hour.  I went to bed.  I felt fine the next day, so after lunch, I ate 3 more cookies.  About 20 min. later, I was hit with really bad nausea and began to feel slightly achy as well.  I felt so bad the whole day that I was worthless in terms of doing any work!  The nausea persisted, so I made some hot, spicy fish soup (Koreans eat cayenne as a nausea remedy).  That took care of the nausea but I was still very tired and my stomach felt raw.  

I woke up feeling tired today and my stomach is still feeling raw...I do not feel well enough to do any work.

I wonder what was working here to make me so nauseous and ill-feeling from eating these mostly compliant foods?  Was it too much fats at one time?  3 cookies is not that many I don't think....?

I know that someone will ask about ingredients in the Namaste flour, so here it is:

Sweet brown rice flour
tapioca flour
arrowroot flour
sorghum flour
xanthan gum

I have used this flour before for cookies (once before now), pancakes (a few times), etc. and never had these symptoms.  I don't use this flour often...maybe once every few months.  I rarely even eat any type of cookies but thought I might give baking them a try.  For sweets, I have eaten bananas and sometimes mashed sweet potatoes with cinnamon and ghee as a snack, but really missed eating cookies...

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!




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You might be more sensitive now than you were a few months ago, when you last ingested this flour.  The xanthan gum is most likely corn-based. Not everybody does well on both tapioca AND arrowroot- though many can handle one or the other. I'm not familiar with sorghum flour at all. I typically  bake with just rice flour instead of any blends.

Or, it might have been a problem of too much fat in the cookie, or one of the ingredients might be spoiled. The first thing I'd question is the almonds.


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Hi Ruthiegirl!  The almonds have been in the freezer since I bought them...and I ground the almonds straight out of the freezer just before making the cookie dough.


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Hi Narnia!!!!! Good to see you post again!
For me, the xantham gum is an irritant.  
I usually bake with brown rice flour or almond meal.


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Quoted from cajun
Hi Narnia!!!!! Good to see you post again!
For me, the xantham gum is an irritant.  
I usually bake with brown rice flour or almond meal.


Hi Cajun!  Thank you!  It's good to be back!!  We are in the process of modifying our biz so I hope to have more time for a social life!!

Has xantham gum made you nauseous?



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Take a look at the site elanaspantry.com for lots of recipes that would eliminate the avoids.  The almond butter blondies and brownies are compliant.  Try those instead.  Either the xanthum gum or the tapioca might be bothering you.
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Quoted from Jane
Take a look at the site elanaspantry.com for lots of recipes that would eliminate the avoids.  The almond butter blondies and brownies are compliant.  Try those instead.  Either the xanthum gum or the tapioca might be bothering you.


Thank you!



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Thanks!  I see that it certainly can!  My DH and I have both had digestive upsets...gas and irritated stomach since eating these cookies.  He did not have the nausea though.




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I had even taken 2 "Deflect" capsules after eating these cookies both times....but was still affected....should I have taken the pills before eating the cookies?

I am not asking this so that I can do it in the future...I am just curious as to why the Deflect did not work in this case.


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Your statement that you use that flour blend only every few months jumped out at me big time.  If you don't keep the flour in the freezer there is a very good chance that at least the rice flour ingredient has either turned rancid or has grown a toxic mold.

I would definitely get rid of the flour.  I also am very careful to avoid anything with Xanthan gum - but if you've used that flour before with no ill effects, to me it sounds like the rice flour is bad - possibly with toxic mold.


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Your statement that you use that flour blend only every few months jumped out at me big time.  If you don't keep the flour in the freezer there is a very good chance that at least the rice flour ingredient has either turned rancid or has grown a toxic mold.

I would definitely get rid of the flour.  I also am very careful to avoid anything with Xanthan gum - but if you've used that flour before with no ill effects, to me it sounds like the rice flour is bad - possibly with toxic mold.


I have been keeping it in the freezer.  I keep all my flours, grains, pasta, and nuts in the freezer.


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I have been keeping it in the freezer.  I keep all my flours, grains, pasta, and nuts in the freezer.


Well, so much for my thought about the rice flour having gone bad.  Sorry.  



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A friend just told me that agave nectar is not the best form of sweetener...

Here is an article about it.

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA401166/Whats-Wrong-with-Agave-Nectar.html

Since I do not use any type of sweetener, I wonder if the agave could have caused me the problems...


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Well, so much for my thought about the rice flour having gone bad.  Sorry.  



No problem!  Thanks for trying to help!  You certainly made a good point!



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we ve already been through the agave nectar hype in these forums

don t believe all you read or hear

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make your own flour blend using compliant grains, beans, seeds or nut flours


I d get nausea as well using that blend


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Our bodies can also get more sensitive over time. The tapioca and/or xanthan gum may not have produced any obvious symptoms the last time you ate them, even though they weren't particularly healthful for you. But after a few more months of eating clean, your body is saying "wait a minute! I don't want this stuff inside me!" Nausea is your body's way of rejecting the food; getting you to stop ingesting more and possibly leading to the food being expelled before it has a chance to  digest fully (though it didn't actually make you vomit in this case.)

See if you can give away the cookies AND the opened bag of flour to a friend or neighbor who's not as sensitive as you. It's a shame to waste food.


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Would you dare to make the cookies one more time but use half and half brown rice and white rice flour instead of the "blend" you did before?  To see if it was indeed the blend. (I have a yucky, low energy then sleepy reaction to sorghum flour)
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Yes; cookies that do what they're told only "most" of the time are indeed nauseating.  

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