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Aussie
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Hi again everyone!

After a year (or maybe more) of feeling sick - constantly - I have come back to the site in the hope that I will find the will power to stick to the food that I know will make me feel better.

I am only 42 but have felt nothing but tired all the time.  Have put on additional weight (now 112kg!), feel like I am overheating and sweating all the time (yes I do live in Qld but still!) and know that it is not hormonal and I just feel terrible all the time.  

My two children, 7 and 11, aren't getting value for money so far as their mum is concerned and I feel sad for that.

My biggest problem is (and always has been) bread.  I have toast for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and some type of carbohydrate for dinner.  I know this is a big part of my constantly feeling terrible but I really don't know what to supplement bread with (preferably quick and easy) and yes I have looked at the recipes available on line but what do normal people eat instead of bread!?.

Thanks for letting me vent and any ideas would be appreciated.

P.S. Have just ordered the Type O cook book.
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I do not eat bread and do not miss it.

No need for a substitute just eat vegetables, meats, and salads without bread.


But if bread is what you feel you need you can make bread out of seeds or beans that are complaint with the diet plan you are following.


Flax bread:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1215

Seed and nut bread:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1104

Black bean bread:

http://tryabouttime.com/black-bean-flat-bread/


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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You'll really enjoy the cookbook, Aussie.



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Quoted from Aussie
My biggest problem is (and always has been) bread.  I have toast for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and some type of carbohydrate for dinner.  I know this is a big part of my constantly feeling terrible but I really don't know what to supplement bread with (preferably quick and easy) and yes I have looked at the recipes available on line but what do normal people eat instead of bread!?.
This exactly used to be my problem too. In my 20's my younger brother once commented: 'What's the problem for yaeli to finish half a Chala?' (a Jewish traditional bread baked especially for Shabbat and eaten during Saturdays).

My substitution for bread/wheat when I began BTD were 100% rye crackers. I kept at home tons of them and had them all the time, I was in such a panic not to get hungry (i.e., cravings), and still I immediately started to lose weight. The truth is that nowadays we don't really need bread at all. The carbs I eat now are basmati rice, rice pasta, and sweet potatoes. I get carbs from root vegetables. But then, when I was doing the switch to no-wheat diet, I absolutely needed an emotional support, and rye crackers was the answer. In time, while going more and more into BTD and learning how to manage my everyday eating, I could slowly slowly let them go.


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My substitution for bread/wheat when I began BTD were 100% rye crackers. I kept at home tons of them and had them all the time, I was in such a panic not to get hungry (i.e., cravings), and still I immediately started to lose weight.


The strange thing is that whilst it would be wonderful to loose the weight I have gained (and in the past this would always have been my first goal) my immediate goal now is to get some energy back!  I crave to no longer constantly feel tired and this feeling makes me miserable and that's not normally me.  I need willpower to kick this feeling of being unhealthy to the curb!
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OMG!

Have just gone back through the ERFYT book and have found that avocado's are an avoid!  I can't remember seeing that before. I eat 1 1/2 to 2 avocado's a week!  Hmmm cutting out avocado's will be an easier start than the bread.  

Does anyone know why no avocado's for O's?
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Use lettuce leaves instead of bread to wrap things in--

Make a few baked sweet potato as snacks and eat them straight from the fridge while you are on the go.

I know people have more ideas for you.

Take some time to make food for yourself let the house cleaning wait.


MIFHI

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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Welcome back.  A burger pattie (or two) for breakfast will do you good.  It could be the Tyrosine in the wheat you are craving.  Good thing red meat has Tyrosine too!  


Be who you are.  Those who mind don't matter, those who matter won't mind.

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Quoted from Aussie
OMG!

Have just gone back through the ERFYT book and have found that avocado's are an avoid!  I can't remember seeing that before. I eat 1 1/2 to 2 avocado's a week!  Hmmm cutting out avocado's will be an easier start than the bread.  

Does anyone know why no avocado's for O's?
not true for nonnies like yourself.  Only O secretors need to avoid them.

I use rice cakes in place of morning toast, and I spread almond butter on them.  But that's if there's no leftovers from supper available.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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You identify yourself as Gatherer, yet you're following the classic BTD, is that correct?


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Your energy will start to return and increase the minute you start to heal your gut. It is the simple rule. When you concentrate on healing you gut your reward doesn't delay.



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I love your first post, it sounds so honest in its desire to learn what when and where..

So let me ask a question, WHat do you like ON all that bread?  There is no doubt that bread is nice, but if it where not for the toasting, or the flavor foods you put on it,  then it would be way less desirable. -----------To replace bread- buy walnuts and eat them … with dinner food or alone in small grab pieces.  

I know I live with the love of carbs.. grains, and smells of bakery flavors of old times.  It is hard, but You can indeed get used to having things Good for you and still get satisfaction.  Why not eat the jelly on a spoon, the sauce from a ladle, the butter on eggs, salty foods by hand?

I like eggs CRisp on the bottom side,, then over light.. if they are just slightly cooked on either side, there is not enough crunch.  I need something between my teeth, one side nice and crisp cooked with ghee or butter-mmh, and that takes care of breakfast.  

AT the beginning it is hard to imagine, but when you eat enough, repeat, enough of the Beneficials and Super bebeficilas /allowed foods, then hunger and wishes get satisfied.

I see the issue not one of food as much as being tired, grabbing for what is easy.  Would a banana do? would pineapple junks fill the empty space between teeth, before dinner?

At first, it is IMportant to eat enough, no matter the portion.  Find the foods you LOve to begin with, enjoy to begin with, shop them, then eat them.  Find a way to eat blueberries, if it need to cool you on the inside then freeze them.. Freeze your own berries when they grow in season.  Same with getting over ripe bananas, slice and freeze, then eat like icecream, in a bowl or in smoothies.  

Eat fruit whole, Drink vegetables in juice so you can absorb the nutrients quickly.  add icecubes if that sounds good.  No soda, no artificial sugar.  Enjoy a chocolate treat  every day, make it more and more dark.. The darker, the more coco in the choc the less you will need heaps of it.  A morsel will be enough and when you eat that morsel you are eating ‘feel good medicine.’

The other thing if you can find it locally, get some D-Ribose in some form.  I changed the way I felt all my life, by eating some of it in Dr D's supplemental sugar replacement form, a powder called Trehalose.  Plain it is a sugar that does not create cravings.. buy it on the internet.

In the Trehalose Complex from Dr D there is D-Ribose.  That stuff is great. You might be far away to get some, but its worth the effort.  There was a thread 2 years ago with hundreds of testaments of how great TC made us feel.  worth a try.  Depression and discouragement and feeling inadequate is in need of serious attention.  Give it the attention it deserves, and get the mood changing help you may need.  IF it is right for you as hundreds of others here experienced- then you will know in the first day- how good it is.   Even worth the postage.. Look up the two things on the internet.. alone or mixed,,, wow!

If you like what we say I will stay with you for a long time to see to it that you are not alone. We only can do things with friends..

Are you craving? or hungry?  I have solutions for both.  Take one table spoon or less of extra light olive oil inbetween food, as a snack.  Wash down with water -- should be flavorless.  in that way you are way less hungry and satisfy the brain with 'wants!   try it one hour away from food whenever you would become hungry. it will work in 20 minutes.  

When did this feeling tired start?  what is your life like? hectic or OK?   what is sleep like? can you take naps and do they help?

am I giving you to much to digest?   All the best...


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Use lettuce leaves instead of bread to wrap things in--



Andrea this actually sounded really nice!

As it is summer here I love eating crunchy lettuce (normally on bread   ) but yes I think I would enjoy eating crunchy lettuce with cold cuts of beef, tomato's and beetroot.  TY
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You identify yourself as Gatherer, yet you're following the classic BTD, is that correct?


I did get the SWAMI software for Christmas a couple of years ago but have to be honest and say that I left a few bits out as I was unsure of how to do the measuring.  

I probably need to purchase the software again and start from scratch.

Crazy - I have bought all the books and have read all your stories/backgrounds/feedback. Why can't I get up the courage/willpower/guts to not eat the c**p that makes me sick?

I feel pathetic this morning as I have woken up with my first thoughts being - coffee!  I know I should do the hot lemon but what do I do?  Go for the coffee instead!  I am my own worst enemy who has continually sabotaged herself when it comes to food.

Maybe I need a trip to the psych ward instead!!!
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I love your first post, it sounds so honest in its desire to learn what when and where..

So let me ask a question, WHat do you like ON all that bread?  There is no doubt that bread is nice, but if it where not for the toasting, or the flavor foods you put on it,  then it would be way less desirable. -----------To replace bread- buy walnuts and eat them … with dinner food or alone in small grab pieces.  



Your message made me think Goldie and the answer was pretty simple.  I eat a lot of bread because I'm lazy.  It is quick, easy and a security blanket for me when I am not sleeping at 1am to have it with good 'ole Vegemite!
For breakfast I will usually have tomato on toast (after already having eaten some at a ridiculous time of the night).  So yes. I think laziness has a lot to do with it!

In saying that though I think the laziness has been a big part of my constantly feeling like c**p and with zero energy, which then has come from not eating the right food!  So it's just a revolving circle.

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lazy is not good enough... There have to be goodies in the fridge reasdy to eat... I am saying again, its not the food that we crave as much as comfort of knowing that there is food in the first place.. So get rid of all food that is not on your Super Beneficial List, then fill the fridge and cubbords with food you can have.  
Pineapple chunks work well, frozen or cold, juice the same.  
Chocolate is good for you as long as it is dark coccoa meaning 85%..
walnuts have them in a open bowl on the table or if in heat temp, then in the first eyelevel shelve in the fridge..

Butter and eggs, cook some hard boiled, leave in a dish to see first thing.

No Tomatoe.. its not needed.  

You need to learn to indulge in good for you foods.  have them handy and stow all disallowed foods in a box carton on the top of the hallway closet.. then a week later give it away..

Make a shelf in the fridge just for YOU.. Treat your self with respect.  Unconditional Positive Regard, starts in your thoughts...  we all suffer faults, no need to trumpet them other then calling them out to be looked at for changes to be made... Exchange foods, not eliminate foods ... Exchange cravings for rewards.. exchange negativety for positivety.. bring the body and the mind will follow..  

Start small. one item at a time... If coffee is what you need in the AM have it, one cup, then decaf  the rest of the day..  then in a week you can further cut to half a cup of coffee, and more decaf.. later you may switch to green tee.. but giving up coffee and bread is tooo difficult.. one item is a victory, no matter how small...

hang in here and post all the ups and downs.. you will make it if you hang with like minded people who supprt you..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Maybe it would be useful for you to just concentrate on avoiding wheat and not worrying too much about anything else and just reducing the amount you consume for the next few weeks. it can be a very hard thing to stop as it's very addictive. so don't be too hard on yourself and just begin a new regime in lowering the amount you use.

you will notice that you will begin to feel better, losing weight will happen without trying and you will begin to start getting interested in more things including proper food. you will also get increased levels of energy. be prepared for some tough times over the next few weeks and perhaps look at my favourite supplement which is catechol. Especially great for us o's

getting your children involved in this healthy way of eating will also form a bond that will help all of you.

get hold of some Epsom salts and have the odd bath a few times a week it will relax you as well as give you many other benefits. let your children have Epsom salts baths too. try to soak and do nothing else for at least the first 12- 20 mins.

your an o so breaking a sweat will be important for you, if that just means walking more, start with that. bring your children with you when you walk also. keep safe but find greenery it clears the mind. if you can walk on the beach take your shoes off.

in a few months you won't be so worried about wheat and can get your life back on track and concentrate on other things like the finer detail.

you know you need to make a change and the is the vital step well done


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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Your swami software should still be accessible try logging on if you still have the login details.

https://www.northamericanpharmacal.com/SWAMIXpress/SG_login_screen.pl

if you have a problem email support i have pm'd you with a emailed address for future reference.


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Start small. one item at a time...  


Yes this is the way I need to look at it.  I have overwhelmed myself in the past and gone with the "Oh well I have eaten all this bad food today.  I may as well give up"

I would like to concentrate on two food items first and that is the wheat and dairy.  Whilst this is only two items I know that I will find this extremely difficult.  I get a maxi coffee every day which has a ton of low fat milk in it, and despite having this upset my stomach I go back the very next day for more!  

This is what I mean when I say that this is very much a mental battle for me.  Good side of the brain knows what I should be eating.  Bad side of the brain will sabotage that in lightning speed!

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Your swami software should still be accessible try logging on if you still have the login details.

https://www.northamericanpharmacal.com/SWAMIXpress/SG_login_screen.pl

if you have a problem email support i have pm'd you with a emailed address for future reference.


Thanks for your help and support.  I will hunt around and see if I can find it.
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Aussie, if you know for sure you are a Non-Secretor, I'd advise you to work from the LR4YT book instead of ER4YT.  It is a more recent book, very user friendly and makes it clear how to follow the nonnie food list instead of the secretor.

Did you do all the measurements to find out that you're a gatherer?  If so, and if you feel sure, have you read the Genotype book?  Your challenges sound very classic Gatherer in nature.  I feel sure the other Gatherers can relate to what you are saying.  If you haven't read that book, at least read the chapter describing your genotype so that you understand yourself better.  But you'll need to choose one diet (either gatherer or type O Non-secretor) and stick with it.  That is, if you're not ready to do the SWAMI yet.  (and that's fine)

I find that a high carb breakfast sets the scene for cravings all day.  I'm a believer in a breakfast with plenty of compliant protein and fats and low in carbs.  

Mid-day meal should be hearty with a lot of vegetables in whatever form you like - either salads, sauteed, baked or steamed, whatever.  Again, get a good serving of protein and some good fats - all from your chosen food plan.  Become familiar with Dr. D'Adamo's portion recommendation.  Some people will have a spoonful of nut butter on some crackers and think they are getting a high protein meal.

The evening is a good time to eat fish or vegetable-based proteins or eggs or meat - whatever you like.  It's also a great time to have a big serving of carb-rich vegetables, such as baked sweet potato, roasted root vegetables or sweet squashes, etc.  They are a great comfort food and can satisfy the need for dessert.

GenoType 2 The Gatherer

"Full-figured, even when not overweight, the Gatherer struggles with body image in a culture where thin is "in." An unsuccessful crash dieter with a host of metabolic challenges, the Gatherer becomes a glowing example of health when properly nourished."

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Victoria, I want to thank you for your immense kindness, your wisdom, your fine taste, and your specially sensitive care and attention. You teach me to heal my heart.


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Quoted from Victoria

"Full-figured, even when not overweight, the Gatherer struggles with body image in a culture where thin is "in."


Victoria this is so ME!

When you forwarded this quote it brought back fond memories of when I was in the ARA (Australian Regular Army) which I joined as a 19 year old to get me out of a small country town.  I was so fit and proud to have made it through recruits!  It reminded me of my first posting which was to an Artillery Training Unit where there was only one other female - a sergeant.  I had to and did prove that I was just as fit and mentally as strong as the boys.

"Full-figured, even when not overweight"  Once again this was me!  I still weighed 70kg (I'm 5'9") despite the daily exercising and I realised then that I was never going to be the "skinny" girl".  But the fact that I could keep up with the boys and had become "one of them" made me realise that I had done o.k.

Victoria this quote has empowered me in more ways than you know.  I saw the old me (and it made me have a tear) but I was so proud back then.  I can do that again.  I need to think of the things that I succeeded at doing when a spoilt country girl decides to join the Army!!! I succeeded at doing things I would never have thought I could do in a million years!!! (I could run 5km in just under 20 minutes!!!)

I know its baby steps but today I feel empowered!  I know that you would never have expected that sending me this quote would have hit such a (proud) raw nerve.  Thank You!
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"Oh well I have eaten all this bad food today.  I may as well give up"

I get a maxi coffee every day which has a ton of low fat milk in it, and despite having this upset my stomach I go back the very next day for more!  

This is what I mean when I say that this is very much a mental battle for me.  Good side of the brain knows what I should be eating.  Bad side of the brain will sabotage that in lightning speed!



Angel over one shoulder, devil over the other, eh?

It will come down to believing in yourself. Your will.  Exercise will rebuild it. Good nutrition will maintain it.

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not at all while getting aware about your *persona* you seem to be driven...

read in the booklet written from Don Richard Riso and Ross Hudson: the wisdom of the enneagram* if then are any further questions left... don't hesitate and contact me .... haaa Averno-cherido mio..you pointed it out.... *the devils' advocate*! no 6
in this very yuppy famous booklet! ...all you can immagine.. ...


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