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OK, I learned about kegels in my childbirth classes & did them faithfully during pregnancy & a little afterward.
A few years later I noticed that when I walked a lot, even that area felt tighter. (I am convinced that walking tones the whole body, even the chin area!)

In the last 4 years, I am now only walking about 10 miles a week instead of the 20 I did for many years. I also am less active as I am not working. I do go to Curves, which is a relatively easy workout, but supposedly blanced for women. The less walking was due to plantar fasciitis which has gone away. (Sometimes I get sore legs{usually thighs}if I sit or lie down for a while & then get up. I am suspecting it is a reaction to avoids the day before!)

Anyway, I might have done some wrong lifting(40# when I should stick to 30#)some time ago, I have had an allergic cough for 10 years that jerks the body,  & I often sat too long on the 'throne' - well, I had to finish the article I was reading! I quickly abandoned that last habit because I noticed part of the pelvic floor must be starting to sag or loosen up.

Sooo, I know that the 3 things I mentioned contribute to pelvic floor problems & less walking means less help in that area, too.
The intenet has several sites that describe kegels & more than one might want to know, but I am very thankful for this & I surely want to avoid surgery. I don't do well with drugs & know that any surgery is a helath risk.

Do any of you have any input on this? I bet many of you women deal with this & it might be too embarrassing to talk about, but these easy exercises can help prevent any problems & I hope repair any that have started. The hardest part is concentrating, but I hope that gets easier.

I recently heard that being on the toilet too long leads to hemorrhoids. But it also can lead to other things.
Look up kegel exercises & try a few, even if you have no outward problems. Doctors don't always tell us everything. When I was giving birth to the 2nd child, the dr. was surprised I had heard of them.  [Thanks to the Gampers childbith classes. Mrs. Gamper died about 10 years ago at age 92? I'm glad I heard aobut her (local) classes & learned this valuable piece of info.]

Kegel exercises are also good for men.
I finished Kegel 101.
Who would like to teach Kegel 102?


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I like the practicality behind the exercises and this philosophy....I cannot contribute because I have not done Kegelsm due to indecision about belly weightm r a fibroid, bearing down on my bladder vs. a bladder simply getting older and subject to occasional leakage that would be benefitted by kegels.....


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I had no kids so no whatever... I am as healthy as can be, so no issue there, yet when they did my hip replacement I must have been intubated and ever since my (Kidney young as a teenager) bladder or my urethra have no feeling of muscles.  I have to be very careful about how far away I am from a bathroom, but still I some time can go hours when shopping, so my bladder is very selective.  I have taken to wearing a skinny pad just so I can 'help' make it to the bathroom.  I do think some foods make the leaks worce.  but I have no idea which.

Having said all that I think you are talking about uterus prolepses.  You are right I am certain that Kegel would help.

On the other hand, 'sitting' toooooo long is a bad thing.  IT speaks of straining, of pushing and of bad health issues.  I USED to be constipated with BTD, and I learned to use a finger glove to empty the anus. (I chose NOT to sit for a long time, no patience, no reading, no time, no interest, no smoking, and no excuses for sitting) This is important enough for me to tell in such graphic details, as my mom had an anus cancer that doctors not saw for some time.  Even while doing a colonoscopy they look higher up.  I would advise everyone to at least become familiar with the lowest section of your digestive system, and make sure it is always empty.  

On the other hand, there is NO reason for straining any more!  I have taken to eating 2 spoons of extra light olive oil starting January of this year,   AND   after two month I experienced the first normal 'movement'!!!! in 10 years or more.  IT took that long!  (I did it according to Shangri-la diet advise) and not for elimination issues.  Proper elimination became the best reason of why adding the oil to my diet is great! == Surprising that it took soooo long, shows you how bad things where...  
When I stop taking the oil for a week, then I am back to constipation.

I think we do much more bottom damage by not breast feeding( you would know better) or by a lifetime of straing, or sitting!!! so according to my suggestion:  stop the need for it with Oil. Maybe any beneficial oil!  

    



        


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Dr. Bruce West recommends starting and stopping (at least 10 x's[my note]) your (men and women) urine flow each time you have to go.  I have done this for years now.  While only in my 30's, I suddenly was not able to laugh without leakage.

Doing this Kegel-like exercise really got my control back and has become a lifelong habit.  Although I know I've read that sometimes this problem may stem from a chemical/food related imbalance???


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I bet that the fibroid would slowly disappear with BTD.  I also know that fasting helps get rid of benign tumors. I know you are under too much stress to take time to fast, but someday you may be able to.
I suspect that wheat may contribute to leakage.  I didn't have that problem, but when I worked at the bakery, I ate a little bread as a snack (nothing else around)while already practicing BTD. Then I leaked a few drops! I'm not sure if I had coughed or not, but that was strange.
With all the seniors with bladder problems & all the wheat we eat in this country, I think it might have something to do with this.
Another thing I am doing when I can (at home) is to urinate into a container, so I don't sit down every time. We women have to go more often than men - so it seems to me. I have to go more in the morning, but can go for hours without urinating later in the day. Still, that's the way our bodies work & we need to keep drinking water, even if it does inconvenience us (& our husbands!).

Thanks for the input. Any men care to comment?


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Dear Mrs T,

Thank you for starting a thread on this subject. I need the Kegel excercises greatly, and this thread is giving me a necessary push. I agree that this subject is embarassing. My GP referred me to physio for strengthening the pelvic floor and I just abstain.

I found these pages
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/kegel-exercises/WO00119
http://www.nafc.org/library/search-our-articles/view-article/&id/734/

What does "Kegel 101" mean ?



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I bet that the fibroid would slowly disappear with BTD.  I also know that fasting helps get rid of benign tumors. I know you are under too much stress to take time to fast, but someday you may be able to.
I suspect that wheat may contribute to leakage.  I didn't have that problem, but when I worked at the bakery, I ate a little bread as a snack (nothing else around)while already practicing BTD. Then I leaked a few drops! I'm not sure if I had coughed or not, but that was strange.
With all the seniors with bladder problems & all the wheat we eat in this country, I think it might have something to do with this.


Something to think about concerning the wheat.....   To be sure, back then I wasn't on the BTD and did eat a lot of regular bread.

Not sure why you referenced 'fibroid/benign tumors'???


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The first relpy mentioned the fibroids.

Kegel 101 is like a college course listing.  Usually an introductory course is 101 & the 2nd semester is 102. If it begins with 2, 3, or 4, it usually means other grades in college altho not necessarily.
The Kegel Kollege is a silly way of saying Kegel College, like we are getting an education about kegels.  
Often if a product or company makes smething beginning with a letter, sometimes the next word begins with a letter with the same sound(tho it is different). Now I have to come up with an example....  How about Cynthia's Cilly Cwill  or Kathy's Karrots ( a tavern & a veggie store)!

I've been doing the kegels since last week & sometimes I get optimistic & sometimes I don't.  But the regimens they suggest take months, so I will persevere.  I wonder if it will help the abs, even tho one must try not to tense them. One must focus on the pelvic muscles. However, I think the abs go along for the ride, which is just fine. I tend to gain in that area!


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I started to do kegel exercise a day before yesterday. It is not so simple after long years of neglect. First time in my life this movement appeared spontaneously when I was 8-9 years old, and I became quite alarmed then   Now I have the feeling that it has a strong far reaching effect - maybe on straightening the posture? While doing it you are not supposed to involve any other muscles and keep breathing (tricky), but I am sure it influences very well the whole musculature and the nervous system. In my view it is balancing and therapeutic in the same manner that sex is. Only it's available 24/7. Looking forward.


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I have heard squats are better than kegel exercises.  (regular practice in my yoga class) A full squat with flat feet is something a lot of adults can no longer do.  Maybe try a combination of both  
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I have heard the same as Serenity.  Via this write up... http://www.mommypotamus.com/why-you-need-to-pee-in-the-shower/



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Since squatting has been suggested, this may be relevant to some of you.  

http://www.squattypotty.com/
There are many forms of squatting platforms available now.  This just happens to be the one I selected.  It gives the option of modified squatting or full squatting, so you can build strength and flexibility without being forced to do a full squat before you are able to do it safely.

There is some informative reading material here.
http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html



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Thank you Serenity, Caz B and Victoria!

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Caz, your link did not work. It starts & then blanks out. Can you post it again? It sounds important.

If we are to squat, we need something to hold on to! I sure am not that able to do it without help.


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Mrs T please check this

Quoted from Victoria
Since squatting has been suggested, this may be relevant to some of you.  

http://www.squattypotty.com/




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I saw that one. The mommypotamus one doesn't work.

This info is another good reason not to rush potty-training. The kids(toddlers, not babies) already go in a natural position in their diapers.

Hope you are having a meaningful holiday season!


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Thanks! Hoping to sort paperwork....    

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I heard about kegals years ago.  Every so often I think about it and do them.  As I get older I have to pee more frequently so being able to hold back when I can’t get to the potty helps.


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I talked to the nurse at a dr's office the other day & she suggested that often the vaginal wall is sagging & I think that might be more of my issue.  But I would think that eventually may drag down the uterus which I feel might be a little lower. The kegels seem to help some, but it will take a long time as suggested by a regimen I read about on the intenet. So now I have to keep focusing on doing them.

I have another sort of problem. The HomeFirst drs. don't take Medicare, but said that this particular dr.did. But when I called, they said they didn't take it, but might add it later. Meanwhile I am a woman without a doctor & this problem crops up!
Sooo, I'll keep Kegeling & see what happens.
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I have another sort of problem. The HomeFirst drs. don't take Medicare, but said that this particular dr.did. But when I called, they said they didn't take it, but might add it later. Meanwhile I am a woman without a doctor & this problem crops up!

I understand that money is tight, but if you NEED to go to a Dr., you can go, you just have to pay for it.  Usually Dr.s will work with the uninsured in some manner to make arrangements that work for all parties involved...  Talk to the Dr. or office staff to find out what arrangements can be made, rather than just saying that you don't have a Dr. ...


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It's important to remember that kegels are only ONE kind of exercise, and all the muscles in the pelvic/abdominal region need to be strong and balanced. If one muscle in a group is over-worked, while the balancing muscles are not, you end up with the stronger muscles getting too short, the opposing muscles are too stretched out, you're out of alignment and in pain.

Squats are a good choice because it works a variety of muscles throughout the movement- some on the way down and then the opposite muscles on the way back up. It's a more organic kind of exercise.

I've also heard that it's no healthy to stop and start the flow of urine- that can lead to not emptying the bladder fully, which can lead to bladder infections. It's fine to do that a few times to help identify the muscles, but not to make a habit of it. This is especially true if you have something pushing on the bladder (such as a fibroid or a baby-filled uterus) that makes it hard for you to empty your bladder fully to begin with. Then again, I heard that advice while pregnant, so it's possible it doesn't apply universally.


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Thank you, Ruthie. I do agree with you. I would think that holding in your ab would help too, alhto one kegel site says not to do that when you do kegels.  But I would think that one could add it to the regimen.  I am a bad squatter & would need to hold on to something, but I agree that squats would be good. I don't do the urine thing & I also read that was bad to do regularly.
Caz, I haven't checked the site yet, but will in a few minutes. Thanks!


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Thank you, Ruthie. I do agree with you. I would think that holding in your ab would help too, alhto one kegel site says not to do that when you do kegels.  But I would think that one could add it to the regimen.  I am a bad squatter & would need to hold on to something, but I agree that squats would be good. I don't do the urine thing & I also read that was bad to do regularly.
Caz, I haven't checked the site yet, but will in a few minutes. Thanks!

Sorry Caz, it starts & then stops after a few seconds, but I think I know what she is saying. Is she saying that it is better to urinate upright as in the shower?


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Hmm, sorry it is not working - weird.  She is saying to squat and pee in the shower - or if you can manage it, squat and relax the pelvic floor just enough to not let urine escape (outside of the shower).  I'm guessing they are suggesting this because bathrooms these days are not designed to accommodate squatting and you are already undressed in the shower etc, etc.


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