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Andrea AWsec
Tuesday, September 3, 2013, 11:45am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Thoughts on this would  be appreciated. thanks


"I'm following the Explorer Genotype diet recommendations more and more, and it is making much sense within a broader picture.
eg. Apparently explorers respond very well to the sulphur in egg yolk. I just found this out a moment ago from the report (below) having had wonderful detox results from taking MSM (/Sulphur) crystals twice daily for the past couple of months, as it happens.

I have a burning question with which I hoped you could help:

I would like to take a grass-fed raw whey protein powder (actually this one http://wheynaturalusa.com/index.html) for its many benefits, but the Explorer food list (original report attached below) has whey protein down as Avoid. Does this also apply to such high quality as 'grass-fed' and 'raw', with all lactose removed and no casein? The reason I ask is that the preamble to the dairy section is somewhat confusing, touting the benefits of whey, but then putting it in the Avoid section...

(Should such high-quality whey turn out not be recommended for an Explorer, is there another relatively inexpensive way within my genotype that you might suggest I consume grass-fed/un-denatured animal protein? Grass-fed beef jerky springs to mind maybe, but try finding that!)

I would be most grateful for clarification as I've been on the case of whey all day and my head is spinning..."


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Lloyd
Tuesday, September 3, 2013, 12:11pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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My GT book lists whey protein powder as a GT4 beneficial. Ricotta as well.
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Andrea AWsec
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This is a SWAMI-- not the book version


MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Lloyd
Tuesday, September 3, 2013, 2:57pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
This is a SWAMI-- not the book version


Then (s)he is following SWAMI diet recommendations - not Explorer Genotype recommendations as suggested in the questioner statement.

I will also move this to the SWAMI forum.
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Lloyd
Tuesday, September 3, 2013, 3:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
This is a SWAMI-- not the book version


As you know, SWAMI uses more individualized information rather than a generic profile as used for the GT diets.

This will sometimes lead to what may appear to be conflicts. However, the algorithms used by SWAMI are proprietary and thus we can only guess at what the reasons are for any rating for a specific individual.

While we can sometimes make reasonable educated guesses, many times we cannot. Always remember that it is frequently a combination of factors.

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ABJoe
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I agree that the confusion comes from the conflict between book Explorer and this individual's SWAMI report...

Since it isn't stated what the blood type is - and we don't have access to the SWAMI report, my recommendation to include grass-fed animal protein into the diet is to look at the rating for lamb or for them to just do the best that possible within the limits SWAMI sets.  


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Amazone I.
Tuesday, September 3, 2013, 7:16pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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LLoyd... let your ** hunter belly * talk instead ... gut feelings ..tsk..tsk.. ..and rememeber the Ruiz recommendation in not getting trapped by our assumptions .......... ...... Bruce Lipton always points out:* mind over genes*

ok.. now up to your choice... perhaps chance the generic profiles into genetic-ones   best wishes from  Switzerland ...


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SquarePeg
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I would reply that it depends on how the whey was concentrated.  I think Explorers need to avoid all kinds of "isolates," which I think would preclude whey protein powders.

I started on the BTD and did really well.  Then I tried the Explorer GTD, adding all the dairy that it allows, and regressed.  I got back on track with BTD and later SWAMI.

If the patient is Type 0, I'd forget most dairy products altogether.

I buy Tanka bars (grass fed buffalo) for snacks.  They're about $3 per ounce bar in bulk.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Thoughts on this would  be appreciated. thanks
MY 5 CENTS.


"I'm following the Explorer Genotype diet recommendations more and more, and it is making much sense within a broader picture.
eg. Apparently explorers respond very well to the sulphur in egg yolk. I just found this out a moment ago from the report (below) having had wonderful detox results from taking MSM (/Sulphur) crystals twice daily for the past couple of months, as it happens.

FANTASTIC. THERE IS A SNP WITH CBS THAT SOME WITH METHYLATION ISSUES HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF. NOT EVERYONE HAS THIS, BUT JUST A WARNING THAT YOU CAN START GOING TOO FAST AND THIS CAN COME INTO PLAY. I WAS EATING A TON OF SULFUR AND GLUTATHIONE FOODS AND DUMPED MORE THAN MY BODY COULD HANDLE. JUST A HEADS UP IN CASE THINGS GET OFF TRACK AS IT WAS QUITE PUZZLING AND I AM MEETING MORE PEOPLE ONLINE WITH THIS. I AM SO GRATEFUL I SERENDIPITOUSLY FOUND THE ANSWER VERY QUICKLY, OTHERS HAVE STRUGGLED FOR A LONG TIME AND GOTTEN QUITE ILL. BUT FANTASTIC THAT IS WORKING. FANTASTIC.

I have a burning question with which I hoped you could help:

I would like to take a grass-fed raw whey protein powder (actually this one http://wheynaturalusa.com/index.html) for its many benefits, but the Explorer food list (original report attached below) has whey protein down as Avoid. Does this also apply to such high quality as 'grass-fed' and 'raw', with all lactose removed and no casein? The reason I ask is that the preamble to the dairy section is somewhat confusing, touting the benefits of whey, but then putting it in the Avoid section...
I THINK THE PREAMBLES ARE PRESET FOR THE GENOTYPES AND DON'T REFLECT INDIVIDUALITY. IS IT A BLACK DOT? THEN MAYBE A WASHOUT PERIOD. THAT IS THE TYPE OF WHEY POWDER I WOULD USE (DID NOT LOOK AT BRAND) IF I WOULD DO IT. I DID USE IT WHEN I WAS VERY LOW ON GLUTATHIONE PRIOR TO GETTING MY SWAMI. THERE IS AN INTERACTION BETWEEN MERCURY AND DAIRY. SEARCH MERCURY DAIRY GLUTEN ON A SEARCH ENGINE AND YOU SHOULD FIND IT, SO IF YOU HAVE A HEAVY BURDEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY. WORTH READING THOUGH. I HAVE WONDERED IF THE BLACK DOT ON MY SWAMI WAS TO AVOID DETOXING TOO FAST. THERE IS A SAYING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT THE MORE TOXIC THE PERSON, THE SLOWER YOU WANT TO GO. THERE ARE OTHER FOODS THAT CONTAIN GLUTATHIONE THAT CAN GIVE YOU THE PRECURSORS TO MAKE IT. http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/05/12/what-is-glutathione-and-how-do-i-get-more-of-it/

(Should such high-quality whey turn out not be recommended for an Explorer, is there another relatively inexpensive way within my genotype that you might suggest I consume grass-fed/un-denatured animal protein? Grass-fed beef jerky springs to mind maybe, but try finding that!)
IF YOU ARE JUST LOOKING FOR ANIMAL PROTEIN, YOU MIGHT JUST WANT TO STICK WITH MEAT AND EGGS, ESP IF IT'S NOT A BLACK DOT. ADZUKI BEANS ARE A NICE INEXPENSIVE COMPLEMENT IN A PROTEIN AND THE BAG I HAD BOUGHT MOST RECENTLY WERE HIGH ON MOLYBDENUM. MOLYBDENUM IS A KEY TRACE ELEMENT THAT IS REALLY LACKING IN OUR SOIL AND WILL HELP WITH DETOX/HANDLING METALS. THE BLOOD TYPE PROTEIN POWDERS ARE NICE AND THERE ARE A PLETHORA OF VEGAN POWDERS LATELY. I FOUND A SPROUTED FERMENTED RICE ONE THE OTHER DAY THAT'S JUST RICE. VERY NICE.

I would be most grateful for clarification as I've been on the case of whey all day and my head is spinning..."
SORRY IF YOUR HEAD IS SPINNING MORE AFTER THIS. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALITY. THE REASON MAY ALSO MAY BE A RATING BASED ON YOUR BLOOD TYPE... [url]http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?450 [/url] BEST WISHES.




"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Quoted from SquarePeg
I would reply that it depends on how the whey was concentrated.  I think Explorers need to avoid all kinds of "isolates," which I think would preclude whey protein powders.


Why avoid isolates?  I must have missed that recommendation somewhere because my morning shake consist of Dr D’s B/AB Protein Powder, Now Protein Isolate, and etc.


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
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someone mentioned something about whey and b12 issue in cells in another forum. waiting on a response. explorers may have methylation issues. perhaps this is part of the ranking. will have to get back.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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If your SWAMI says "no whey protein" then whey protein is not a good choice for you personally. It doesn't really matter that SWAMI labels you an "Explorer" and that whey is  good for Explorers in general- it's not a good food for you personally. The "preamble to the dairy section" is the somewhat generic Explorer explanation, not one tailored specifically to you.

Take a look at what dairy products you ARE allowed to have, and seek out grass-fed versions of them. Or get grass-fed milk and make your own.

I can see that Andrea is reposting this for somebody, so I have no way of knowing where the OP lives and whether or not he or she has access to local farms.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from RedLilac

Why avoid isolates?  I must have missed that recommendation somewhere because my morning shake consist of Dr D’s B/AB Protein Powder, Now Protein Isolate, and etc.
I probably read this in another book, such as the "Science of Skinny" or the Excitotoxins book.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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instead of all this I prefer to go for or   MAP or a bunch of aminoacids pressés


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