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Ladyfrom29P
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I'm new to the BTD, type O.  I noticed that certain foods on the "highly beneficial" list I avoid because they trigger migraines in me - like chocolate and bananas.  Since going on the BTD, I'm eating things I rarely ate before (like red meat, parsnips, an black eyed peas) and diligently avoiding all the "avoid" foods.  It seems that I'm getting more migraines, not fewer, and I'm not quite sure why.  Is this a temporary reaction?  Or perhaps there's something else going on that smarter folks out there might know.  Thanks in advance for your comments.  


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Difficult to say,, I get trygeminal aches for 6 hours.. caffeine helps.. but then often get whiplash 24 hours later..

I cheat -I get them, I don't cheat -I get them and then suddenly they go away for a weeek or two..

But even as I have the headaches, starting with stiff neck muscles.. I think down the front as well as back.. so be it..

At least I feel 250% better since I am adhering to BTD..  

Are you by chance constipated?  If yes then at least I got great relieve after ingesting extra light olive oil.. helps to keep things moving and I might feel that it helps too..  


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Might want to try some mygrafew for a few months I would take it everyday-- regardless if I had a migraine. Loads of great reviews on Amazon.





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I'm starting to think that the caffeine withdrawal is too quick, combined with adding things to my diet that I've rarely (if ever) eaten.  I saw that coffee was an "avoid" so I started drinking green tea, but I think the drop in caffeine is too much.  I had to have a small bit of coffee today just to keep another headache from coming on because the green tea wasn't cutting it.  I also think that the beef liver I cooked up and have been eating the past couple of days might be a trigger.  So I probably better leave that out.  Buffalo and sirloin steak doesn't seem to bother me.  I don't know about the Ezekial bread, but I think that's OK.  I'm trying out a lot of new green veggies I NEVER ate before like kale and romaine lettuce and parsley (putting them in a juicer because I just can't stand to eat them).  I wasn't much of a veggie eater anyway except for spinach (which I like and am glad is "beneficial").  I used to get most of my protein from chicken and Greek yogurt, but I saw that chicken was "neutral" and all yogurt was "avoid" so I replaced them with red meat.   I'm probably going into the BTD too fast and need to introduce the new beneficials one or two at a time instead of all at once.  Just a little too gung ho I guess.  

To answer the question about constipation, I actually go 1-2 times a day.  I seem to be sensitive to veggies and too much fiber (make me go too much) so I don't have to worry about having enough fiber.  Nice problem to have I guess.  

Some other info is that I'm not over weight but I'm not scrawny either.  I exercise regularly (running and strength training 3-5 x week) and am taking a lot of different supplements (holistic remedies) to keep my migraines under control: 5-HTP, Migrelief, Pentadolax, liver tonic pills, melatonin, GABA, SAMe, B vits and minerals.  I also drink Mona Vie every day.  Without these I would have migraines almost daily.  Now I get them about 1-2 times a month, but lately since starting this diet the frequency has more than doubled.  Hence, why I started this thread - to try to learn what I'm doing wrong.


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It is possible that the beneficial foods you are eating is flushing too many stored toxins out of the body for you to be able to process out efficiently...  The excess toxins can cause the headaches...


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Very interesting.  I never would have thought that eating red meat could produce a detoxifying effect (or maybe it's the green tea).  If that's the case then hopefully these headaches will go away soon.  


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Have you tried 5-HTP? I have tried 5-HTP for a couple of months now and I don't have migraine attacks as often as before I started to take 5-HTP supplements. I had migraine attacks several days a week before I started with 5-HTP and I had to take Sumatriptan frequently because of that. Now I don't need to take Sumatriptan as often anymore and the pain is not as severe either. Every morning I take 1 capsule of 5-HTP 100mg. I have also tried feverfew herbal supplements but it didn't work out as good as 5-HTP for me. Q10 should also be effective to treat migraines preventive but I haven't tried that myself.


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Watch the Ezekiel bread.  When ER was originally written it didn't have wheat gluten in it and now I believe it does.  Try some of the rice breads instead. I like the Bhutanese Red Rice bread from the same company that makes the Ezekiel bread - Food for Life.  Wheat is just about the worse thing for O's.  
It could very well be that eliminating the coffee is a trigger.  You can ease into this diet slowly - try just cutting down the coffee a little at a time.  
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Perhaps it is the Ezekiel bread after all, among other things.  I'm going on day 5 of a continuous, non-stop migraine, something I haven't had in years, and feel like jumping off a bridge right now I'm hurting so much.  I do take 5-HTP and Feverview daily and it helped to bring my migraines down when they were happening a lot a few years back.  But now, despite taking these supplements every day, my migraines are back in force.  Since I've tried so many "beneficials" at once in recent days, it's very hard to pinpoint what is causing the migraines.  So I guess I will have to stop eating all the "beneficials" for now and introduce them one at a time.  But I have to get rid of this migraine first.  To do that, I think I'll need to leave out the red meat (no more anything new to include all the fancy vegetables), and go back to eating chicken and drinking coffee.  Then I can try this BTD diet again but more slowly.


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Have you tried 5-HTP? I have tried 5-HTP for a couple of months now and I don't have migraine attacks as often as before I started to take 5-HTP supplements. I had migraine attacks several days a week before I started with 5-HTP and I had to take Sumatriptan frequently because of that. Now I don't need to take Sumatriptan as often anymore and the pain is not as severe either. Every morning I take 1 capsule of 5-HTP 100mg. I have also tried feverfew herbal supplements but it didn't work out as good as 5-HTP for me. Q10 should also be effective to treat migraines preventive but I haven't tried that myself.


I used to take 5-HTP for calming nerves and better sleep until I found out there's a griffonia lectin that affects secretors. Check the archives.

I've been a migraine sufferer and they are definitely few and far between when I'm most compliant to my SWAMI diet, but I still feel I cannot go without a daily dose of quercetin. It is an excellent free radical scavenger.


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Perhaps it is the Ezekiel bread after all, among other things.  I'm going on day 5 of a continuous, non-stop migraine, something I haven't had in years, and feel like jumping off a bridge right now I'm hurting so much.


If you went off caffeine from coffee, then 5 Days and Nights is the time you have a continues headache... do not give up on this critical day... hang in there and it will pass... you made it this far... go all the way... Hip hip Hurrah... !!!!!! You are winning this battle, your body and mind will be grateful!!!!!!!!

Now for the here and now... drink Peppermint tea whenever you wish to go off caffeine... it reduces the bad days to three.  Just think of how bad it was for your body to react so... I feel with you... I have given up caffeine so many times I lost count... but it is always worth it.   Now that you are this far--- the choices are yours--- but if you are at whit’s end, and insist on ------ then just drink a cup of decaf.... look we are human.. It will help the headache quite a bit.

Be careful of certain pills they contain caffeine...

As for going all in BTD... go jump run swimm right into it... the coffe question is THE worst!! Nothing else will ever compare to that trial by 'headache!!!! Been there and wish to encourage you...

As for all the other things you are taking... I don't know, I do like 5HTP as it really builds a backbone when one feels as if one was ones own doormat.  I take them occasionally, thought it to much every day... p/s Dr D ascribed to the use of it a long time ago as OK.  Nice to know...

As time goes on you may need fewer supps... nice as it will save you money...

for now yes the live thing might have caused some issues, but then I have learned that in the end of the day I eat much less meat... 3-4 oz at a time... -------- I had read that I could eat meat all I wanted 20 years or more and I ate all I wanted after reading BTD books... ha-ha,, had lost 20 pounds effortlessly THEN, but nothing since..

Then also I was allowed (different in different books) Blueberries for my smoothies... well they were benficial, then avoid for diabetes, and now on the new Swami they are neutral...  Actually I love them and now eat them some time. It seems my body dealt with them, whether the food lists said yes or no HAHA>>>

As you get comfortable you will see so many Benefits... I think O's do really well on Beneficial’s... No I would not stop -- it's my only hope... it keeps me sane!  Post how you feel tomorrow... even if you had a spoon or two of real coffee just to make it... don't fret the past... it most likely will not make much of a difference.. and soon you will be fine... Actually you can feel extra proud!!!





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Goldie, you are a gem!  Thanks for the encouragement.  


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you deserve it..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Ladyfrom29P... how are you today? hope the headache is gone.. good times ahead.. promise!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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  Reviews of Mygrafew-- thought I would make it easy to find.

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-.....amp;showViewpoints=0


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Andrea, yes, I saw the product.  It looks like a Feverview supplement.  I'm already on two forms of Feverview: Migrelief and GelStat, so I'm reluctant add a third, although I may consider replacing one of them with what you're suggesting.

Goldie - status report is that the migraine finally broke late last night a couple of hours after having a good strong cup of coffee.  I feel much better today, and will stick to the diet (sans the giving-up-coffee-bit for now).  This morning, instead of my usual whey protein shake before exercise (I understand whey is a no-no for Os so I'm giving it up) I had a piece of sirloin steak.  I did a 3 mile run with sprints and felt pretty good.  Normally after a hard run I feel so exhausted and fatigued that I just want to crawl back into bed.  Today, I felt...great!  So something is definitely different, and better.  


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Ok, you had a good cup of caffeinated coffee... sorry, the effects will return as you try to eliminate it...

May I suggest you get decaf, and add that to the coffee you use, and make it half and half... then after some time 3/4 to 1/4...it will help get over the new feeling of somewhat less energy, and will allow you to use coffee even while you are stopping it.. lessens headaches.

The other thing is: even just decaf is effective in headache control... might just kick in a little slower...   Decaf is as healthy as is caffeinated coffee... two cups are good for the heart and the brain... There was on english study on that and they mentioned 4 cups, but english cups are way smaller then our mugs.   Another way to slow the effects of coffee headaches is to just make the coffee weaker and weaker as you go... it still has the same health effects.

As for BTD compliance, once you eliminate the ongoing stress on your adrenals from several cups or even Starbucks or MC'D, you will heal and slow down the stress levels dramatically. Compliance allows 1 mug, under the 20% rule... yet I still try to reduce the need for the flavor every which way... I am addicted to the flavor...

I have given up coffee so many times (over twenty years or more) that I feel for all who ought to curtail this pleasure......

::: '' When you think you are miserable then : think of the biggest habit and : give it up.''  I am only repeating what some one said... Ha-ha  



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The active ingredient in the mygrafew is in a much higher concentration then regular feverfew supplements.

That is why it works so well---


here is a regular feverfew supplement 300 mg of feverfew--http://www.vitacost.com/nature.....7L3bgCFUei4Aod3k4AGw


Mygrafew has parthenolide 600mg --- this is why it works.


https://www.worldvita.com/index.php/nature-s-way-mygrafew-90-tablets.html







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Howdy, all.  I thought I'd provide a little update.  I've followed the diet to the letter except that I'm still drinking coffee.  No more headaches, and my energy levels are way up.  When I exercise now I have a lot more energy.  I used to hate my "sprint" workouts, now it seems I almost relish them!  The exertion actually feels invigorating now whereas before it just wore me out.  Additionally, I do think there's hope in weaning off coffee.  It seems that I "need" a lot less of it now to wake me up and keep my brain functioning.  As my system clears out and I progress on this diet I think that I'll have plenty of my own energy and clear mind that I won't need it at all.  I'm also hoping that my migraines will lesson or go away altogether.

Oh, and I also did my genotype test and it turns out that I'm a Hunter.  So I've recently incorporated the genotype diet on top of the BTD.  


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Awesome news...  Keep up the good work!  I especially like the "no more headaches."


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I didn't give up coffee until 2 or 3 weeks after I'd implemented the rest of the BTD. Then I made sure to introduce other sources of caffeine to replace the coffee- I started drinking yerba mate with cocoa powder in the mornings, then green tea later in the morning with or after breakfast. I was only drinking one cup of coffee a day, so I just switched from coffee to the teas. Had I been drinking 2-3 cups a day, I would have cut  down on coffee first, then switched to "only teas" after I was down to one cup.


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I'm not O, but I'll pipe in here as a former migraine sufferer who understands the benefits of caffeine for this condition.

Coffee is permitted me (B), but there have been times I've put it away for long periods in favor of green tea alone.
I've had migraine-free success during the Switch by using black tea as the bridge between coffee and green tea, because it delivers a good caffeine punch on the one hand and a tea-flavor on the other. The whole journey takes me 2 weeks from daily cup of full-strength coffee to Green-Tea-Only, but Your Mileage May Vary.

I would say that you will eventually view Caffeine as "medicine", rather than refreshment. And if you need it to head off an incipient migraine once in awhile, there is just nothing quite like it - again, as medicine for migraine. Know that it exists and is there to be respected, but, yes, do exchange coffee for something more O-friendly as your go-to Morning Sip.

Very often the migraine sufferer is relieved by perimenopause. Women whose migraine syndrome had begun around menarche tend to find them becoming less frequent as their hormones decline around age 40, to a very rare occurrence by 50 and 60.

Also note that, aside from "triggers",  protein-deprivation is a causative factor. If you should miss meat/fish/eggs at a meal, you might be more prone to a migraine headache by the time the next meal is due.

Hope this helps.  


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I would say that you will eventually view Caffeine as "medicine", rather than refreshment. And if you need it to head off an incipient migraine once in awhile, there is just nothing quite like it - again, as [b]medicine for migraine[/b]. Know that it exists and is there to be respected, but, yes, do exchange coffee for something more O-friendly as your go-to Morning Sip.


NOW that is good advice!!!  Caffeine is what makes a painkiller a 'Migraine pain killer'.. Well done!  I think I could live with that.

Last few days I wish to drink black tea .. weak, but still, what happens to Os?        Green tea mixed with black tea might get me over the 'bad' taste of green tea ( for me).

Back to: Trehalos complex with lime juice, hot or cold... Best of all.    


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Everyone, all good advice!  I think with the many migraine triggers I have that any caffeine withdrawal sends me straight to migraine land.  I'm currently on half a dozen twice daily supplements just to keep the migraines from being a near daily event (because I refuse to take all the psychotropic drugs the evil white coats try to give me).  I exercise regularly and thought I was "eating right" until I discovered this diet.  Since I've been on it - literally eating sirloin almost daily - I truly feel a whole lot better.  My perfectionist side wants to give up the coffee, and I will do that it in time, but I will have to take it very slowly.  I appreciate all the good ideas - mixing with decaf, yerba mate, black to green tea transition, etc.  I will make notes of them and try them out.  The diet for me is really not that hard (although there are some "beneficials" that I must still avoid - like beef liver and chocolate- because they are triggers), but this giving up coffee bit is really going to be a challenge!


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