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Well from all indications I've got a systemic Fungus or Candida.  I went to the doc about two weeks ago because of a horrible bad breath and dry mouth and since she didn't know much about Candida or Thrush she prescribed some kind of something that I did not pick up.  Instead I looked in the Encyclopedia  and began to take some of the things from the Fungus and Allergy protocols.

However, my symptoms are getting very bad.  I've developed a horrible rash on my upper thigh and am having some horrible chronic fatigue that started a few days back. Fatigue like I've never experienced.  For instance, I have to sit down in the grocery store and don't know how I'm going to make it home to my bed.    My bad breath has gone away but I still have the dry mouth.

I also feel kind of itchy all over at times.  

Any additional suggestions?  I am thinking of taking the prescription to try and get rid of this.  It's gotten pretty bad.  My rash is really angry and red and is slowly spreading.  I am using an allergy cream on it (it DID NOT LIKE Neem cream), and it seems to be minutely better but I really can't tell.

Thanks for any help!  
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I am thinking of taking the prescription to try and get rid of this.  It's gotten pretty bad.
Thanks for any help!  


That may be the best thing for you, this time.

The various forms of nystatin (oral or dermal) are quite effective against candida. Might want to consider both.

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I know from experience that some thrush infections work to hold some toxins in balance so you don't suffer as much from the toxin levels.  If this is occurring in you, it is important to NOT reduce the thrush infection too rapidly or your system will be overwhelmed by the toxin it is "regulating"...

I had to stop attempting to kill the thrush and work to strengthen the detox pathways as well as eating high quantities of foods that help the body process certain chemicals.  Fortunately, I have worked with a good practitioner that has helped keep me on a healing path, as well as being able to utilize some of Dr. D.'s tools to find information to help me make decisions, etc...

This is a very personal path, however, and as such, I can't tell you what specific "tools" to use for your healing.  


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That may be the best thing for you, this time.

The various forms of nystatin (oral or dermal) are quite effective against candida. Might want to consider both.

I agree with both Lloyd and ABJoe about the treatment. I've had systemic candida and tried everything under the sun to combat it, but eventually gave in and took the meds. Surprisingly, the supplements I was told to take and foods to eat were pretty much in line with a lot of what Dr. D. recommends. Some important ones were left out or not added, however. But this was a LONG time before I heard of Dr. D.


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I would recommend Candidase enzymes from Enzymedica. It's only cellulase (breaks up the candida walls) and protease (which breaks down and digests the cell  walls and carries it out). There is next to no die off as the protease carries it out. The only thing I noticed was great bowel movements. You can read about it at http://www.enzymedica.com. It explains much better than I do. Seriously, no healing crisis and felt much better. I also take virastop2x and can tell it's all made a huge difference clearing in a very short time. They are only therapeutic enzymes, nothing else


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assume you ruled out things like bed bugs....


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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I would recommend Candidase enzymes from Enzymedica. It's only cellulase (breaks up the candida walls) and protease (which breaks down and digests the cell  walls and carries it out). There is next to no die off as the protease carries it out. The only thing I noticed was great bowel movements. You can read about it at http://www.enzymedica.com. It explains much better than I do. Seriously, no healing crisis and felt much better. I also take virastop2x and can tell it's all made a huge difference clearing in a very short time. They are only therapeutic enzymes, nothing else


You beat me to it!  I was just going to recommend Enzymedica products.  



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I would not hesitate to take the 1 pill for meds to be repeated in a week.  But after that, I also would do other things to keep my insides clean.  Clean by making green juices and do all the sort of things that the intestines need to digest and move things. I would try all that was mentioned in the older thread.

What has helped to have better breath?  what did you do? what worked?

  


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Victoria,

Aren't they great products? I like that you take them in larger doses for a week or two then move onto lower doses for maintenance. You can always bump up occasionally if you feel you need to. They are the only products I haven't felt a healing crisis with and KNOW without a doubt that they are cleansing. I just ordered the anti-oxidant one too but haven't gotten it yet. Not sure I mentioned I use their digest gold with meals as well


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I saw it..ignorance rules also here    sorry but this made me more then .....
do we follow the D'Adamos principles or not... ? do we follow natural healing or not !! .......
how can I be that h.....t to go for any chemical bombs in taking knowledge of the sideeffects...and that P.D's info's are available'?)...........

When candida overgrowth occure so ther's a reason... look at this and act congruently!
as Victoria mentioned... ........


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Well, Amazone, I was taking over $300 (that would amount to at least $600 with today's inflation) worth of organic supplements A MONTH that were recommended by the doctors who first even recognized systemic candida in this country and sticking to a diet that allowed no sugar whatsoever in any form and very little carbs for the bugs to feast on. After being on this regimen for a long time it became apparent that I was going to have to have more help or I was going to never get better. It was that bad. I was barely functioning while trying to look after my family. Nystatin literally saved my life, but I hope I never have to take any of it again as long as I live. And, BTW, the doctors were NOT profiting from the supplements I was taking AT ALL. Actually, the prices at the different companies we used were the best anywhere for the quality we bought. And no doubt they helped tremendously, but I needed more help. I didn't have any of the outward symptoms of Candidiasis. As is so very usual with this hellish ailment, doctors thought I was a perfect picture of health because it was systemic with no test under the sun that would show otherwise.

There are several products on the market now that were not available when I was sick, but many of the ones I took are still very valuable in the fight against Candidiasis.  


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Spring I agree sometimes there are no gains to be made.. I have closets full of supplements who did little or no good.. I am thrilled when I find 'food' solutions..


Isa.. Grrr... yes I would like to avoid some meds.. but some are helpful Short term.!!!. and then or along with them use all other things to re-balance the intestines and or the organs.



  


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Ok... they prescribed Fluconazole - 100 mg.

i've only got 4 tablets and i'm to take them spaced 3 days apart.

experience?

I'm also continuing on with my Caprylic-Acid, Nettle Quercetin, Ginger, and applying the Rash cream to the awful rash that appeared on my upper thigh.  The fatigue has left me for the moment, thank God!  That's horrible.  Makes me feel for people with chronic fatigue!

Also I used this toothpaste/mouthwash system to get rid of the bad breath called Thera Breath - http://www.therabreath.com/?AffID=6351

It worked! But my dry mouth is still here and that's why I know the fungus/yeast is still in my body.
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please understand me right, I'm not against medication if it's really necessary to all who might have the tolerance in supporting chemicals ... but at the first hand I'd give a try to Dr. D's protocols and then add some knowledge
from Dr. Klinghardt with his Rizol-programs at http://www.drklinghardtacademy.org  ;)

btw propolis also works greately   but some O's might have here some reactions .... .... justamente give a try an see what's going to happen...

btw. paw-paw and Graviola work especially fine for O's here ........

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Sounds like the classic signs of a candida overgrowth that needs to be countered possibly.  

Sounds like you have the right things going as far as supps go.  But you can do a more friendly anti candida diet along with your swami.

I would just stay away from real sugary fruits and drinks.  Stick to more non sugary fruits, within reason.  Granny smith apples, lemons limes, raspberries, strawberries, blackberries, kiwi, papaya....  Etc. Etc.  

I forget what else there is you can do....  No sweet treats for a while.  Try to cut out any "chemical additives".  Even honey or good sweeteners can exasperate it.  So....  And then focus on good foods that are good for gut health, along with your supps.  

Even grains can be no good and rice and quinoa have no gluten so to speak.  Those are the safest I think for getting rid of candida.  I don't do well without oats, so I never really quit them all together.  The one time I did I got IBS really bad.  I don't know if it was IBS but my descending colon was in a lot of pain at that time.  And it seemed to go away when I added oats back in.  

I eat salads daily.  If you're not digesting well, red meats and such aren't all that great and you might have to stick with more fish and nuts.  I'm not sure what to think about beans. I haven't eaten them in a while.  Some of the anti candida experts say that you should not eat any meat and just eat beans, but I think for some of us that is BAD advice.  

I've had it real bad in the past and I'm speaking from experience.  Capryl oil helped me a alot at one time.  The ND I was seeing had me make up a drink with I think 2 teaspoons capryl oil and some psyllium powder and bentonite magma.  I don't know if the bentonite was a good thing or not but it sure helped me get through a rough spot and started to deal with the candida.  I've taken a lot of things over time though.  Candidase, Candisol, fermented butter, manuke honey, cultured veggies.  BTW, I've never heard of them being cultured with lemon before.  Maybe the sugars skyrocketed in them.   From my experience, if you're not going to add a starter, you need to use salt.  


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Sounds like the classic signs of a candida overgrowth that needs to be countered possibly.  

Sounds like you have the right things going as far as supps go.  But you can do a more friendly anti candida diet along with your swami.

I would just stay away from real sugary fruits and drinks.  Stick to more non sugary fruits, within reason.  Granny smith apples, lemons limes, raspberries, strawberries, blackberries, kiwi, papaya....  Etc. Etc.  

I forget what else there is you can do....  No sweet treats for a while.  Try to cut out any "chemical additives".  Even honey or good sweeteners can exasperate it.  So....  And then focus on good foods that are good for gut health, along with your supps.  

Even grains can be no good and rice and quinoa have no gluten so to speak.  Those are the safest I think for getting rid of candida.  I don't do well without oats, so I never really quit them all together.  The one time I did I got IBS really bad.  I don't know if it was IBS but my descending colon was in a lot of pain at that time.  And it seemed to go away when I added oats back in.  

I eat salads daily.  If you're not digesting well, red meats and such aren't all that great and you might have to stick with more fish and nuts.  I'm not sure what to think about beans. I haven't eaten them in a while.  Some of the anti candida experts say that you should not eat any meat and just eat beans, but I think for some of us that is BAD advice.  

I've had it real bad in the past and I'm speaking from experience.  Capryl oil helped me a alot at one time.  The ND I was seeing had me make up a drink with I think 2 teaspoons capryl oil and some psyllium powder and bentonite magma.  I don't know if the bentonite was a good thing or not but it sure helped me get through a rough spot and started to deal with the candida.  I've taken a lot of things over time though.  Candidase, Candisol, fermented butter, manuke honey, cultured veggies.  BTW, I've never heard of them being cultured with lemon before.  Maybe the sugars skyrocketed in them.   From my experience, if you're not going to add a starter, you need to use salt.  


JJR... did you get dry mouth? I've got a huge lump in my throat, one nostril is always somewhat clogged and I have dry mouth again and an overall feeling of not feeling well.  my stomach is bloated and i'm thinking I may have something in addition to a fungus overgrowth esp with the .  the fungus seems to get better and then it gets worse again.    

I looked up clogged nostrils and it seems that it's normal to have one nostril kind of closed and that the clogging cycles back from one to the other.  I'm trying to notice if mine does that.    I'd like to do the stress relieving nostril breathing but I've never been able to.

Thoughts?

Well i'm back editing this because in just reaching about dry mouth and acid indigestion and nasal cloggages it seems I most likely have a mild form of GERD.  I've got all the symptoms of that going on right now... so not sure if I have the Candida or not.. but I definitely am going to adhere even closer to Swami.  I noticed when I did eat more of the Ghee than recommended, I would get acid reflux (too much fat causes the GERD to activate).    The last couple days my breakfast has had a high degree of fat and my symptoms have increased... so I think I'm on to something here.

I'm not interested in taking Prilosec even though I may take it today to decrease some of my symptoms which currently are awful...

I know that my compulsive overeating of JUNK probably damaged me badly and so now I have to heal from this.  I've been clean from junk and sugar today for 60 days... so now it's a matter of just getting extremely close to my Swami recommendations and continue to heal my gut.

Any suggestions to help control this would be GREATLY appreciated.  

I'm going to start another thread on this so that I can get comments from others on the Board that have experienced this issue.


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Sorry I skipped a day.  

Yes, I would get a dry mouth terribly.  Which in turns helps you not digest your food well because your saliva isn't as prevalent as it should be.  

Yes, I was constantly stopped up in my head.  At the time I would do the nettie pot almost daily so I could breathe.  It is also another symptom of a candida overgrowth.

You might be having H.Pylori symptoms too.  Do you take the Dadamo Gastro-D?  That would help with that and candida.  Basic stomach gut health.  And even if it's not H.Pylori, a candida/yeast overgrowth can cause your stomach to get upset and acid refluxy.  I had symptoms like that too at times.  Especially in the beginning.  For me it seemed like dealing with H.Pylori and the yeast helped that.  The gastro-d was a lifesaver at some point.  

IMHO, GERD is just another way that a doctor diagnoses so that they can give you medicine.  I'm not a doctor though.  And I would hate to take the place of one.  But the fact of the matter is, most regular MD doctors don't acknowledge yeast/candida as a problem.  At least not the ones I went to.  Things might be changing though.  But rx will not help your gut.  From what I can tell.  

I would take a serious look at the Gastro-D.  It might be just the ticket and it's what helped me a lot when I had some very very similar symptoms to yours.  

Another thing I used to do was eat raw cloves of garlic in between meals.  That helps kill bad stuff in your gut.  I would also eat fresh ginger after meals, during meals, with meals.  Helped me digest.  And it burns going down but it might keep the stomach acids at bay.  Not sure if that would work for you or not.  

Hang in there, you'll figure it out.  This is a great place to be to get help.  I see in the other thread others are trying to help you.  I didn't read it all though.  

And fwiw, 60 days is a good start.  But it took me a couple of years to get my gut back to a good place.  That doesn't mean it will all be bad, but it was a slow process for me.  But with the right foods and supps, I could feel progress regularly.  I too used to eat a LOT of junk food.  A lot.  


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Sorry I skipped a day.  

Yes, I would get a dry mouth terribly.  Which in turns helps you not digest your food well because your saliva isn't as prevalent as it should be.  

Yes, I was constantly stopped up in my head.  At the time I would do the nettie pot almost daily so I could breathe.  It is also another symptom of a candida overgrowth.

You might be having H.Pylori symptoms too.  Do you take the Dadamo Gastro-D?  That would help with that and candida.  Basic stomach gut health.  And even if it's not H.Pylori, a candida/yeast overgrowth can cause your stomach to get upset and acid refluxy.  I had symptoms like that too at times.  Especially in the beginning.  For me it seemed like dealing with H.Pylori and the yeast helped that.  The gastro-d was a lifesaver at some point.  

IMHO, GERD is just another way that a doctor diagnoses so that they can give you medicine.  I'm not a doctor though.  And I would hate to take the place of one.  But the fact of the matter is, most regular MD doctors don't acknowledge yeast/candida as a problem.  At least not the ones I went to.  Things might be changing though.  But rx will not help your gut.  From what I can tell.  

I would take a serious look at the Gastro-D.  It might be just the ticket and it's what helped me a lot when I had some very very similar symptoms to yours.  

Another thing I used to do was eat raw cloves of garlic in between meals.  That helps kill bad stuff in your gut.  I would also eat fresh ginger after meals, during meals, with meals.  Helped me digest.  And it burns going down but it might keep the stomach acids at bay.  Not sure if that would work for you or not.  

Hang in there, you'll figure it out.  This is a great place to be to get help.  I see in the other thread others are trying to help you.  I didn't read it all though.  

And fwiw, 60 days is a good start.  But it took me a couple of years to get my gut back to a good place.  That doesn't mean it will all be bad, but it was a slow process for me.  But with the right foods and supps, I could feel progress regularly.  I too used to eat a LOT of junk food.  A lot.  


Thank you for your advise! Yes I read that Candida could be causing some of this.  It does happen when I eat a meal with too much fat so that is a definite sign of Acid Reflux.  I think I may have both going on although I've been taking the med listed above, the Caprylic Acid, Stinging Nettle Root and Ginger Root capsules (as indicated in the protocols for Candida/Fungus/Thrush), for at least 11 days now.  

Garlic is an Black Dot for me so no garlic.    I think I took Gastro-D before and didn't notice much.. I may try it again now that my diet is clean.

Thanks again!!! If you think of anything else, please post!  
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Anytime your gut doesn't work well, it's not going to digest fats and heavy protein well.  Like red meat.  Which is not good for you because you're an O.  I do remember that fish and nuts digested much easier when I was going through this.  

I think someone else said this but a digestive enzyme might be in order.  At one time I was taking several at one meal.  Like 2 lypo gold and 2 digest gold.  Different variations.  Enzymedica was the brand prescribed by my holistic MD.  And it worked.  I could really tell the difference.  I would get mine at Vitamin Shoppe if you have one close.  


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well.. i'm only allowed 3 servings of 3-5 oz of red meat a week.  so that's not much.  i've been eating alot more.  it's hard to only eat that much because i really love it.  i will look into the digestive enzyme... thank you!

ok also I am ordering the Gastro D and am going to pick up the digestive enzyme.
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