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kescah
Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 1:31am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have an O type bipolar son with extreme anxiety. Any natural help besides a lot of exercise (which is in the plan)? Any herbs, supplements? Thanks.


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You might try the Anti-Stress protocol:
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What's his diet like and how old is he? No supplement is going to help much if he's still eating trigger foods (which can vary from one individual to another- wheat is TOXIC for me but my oldest daughter can handle it in small amounts once in a while; but she reacts horribly to potatoes.)


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yup, rhodiola


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Thank you all. He agrees with the exercises listed in the protocol. He likes Kava- which is  not supposed to work for him, but I'll see if I can get him to try the whole protocol.

He is seeing the good results with my psoriasis since I got on the genoharmonic foods, especially, and my supplements from Dr. D just arrived today. I'm excited about it- and I hope it makes a believer of him.

Trigger foods... I hope he will consider learning about his foods.

Thanks.


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and give a try for mycotherapy as well... but here get tested what kind of mushroom will correspond.... augment B-vits, C and magnesium  

and he needs to understand how he creates his own fears mentally... here lays the key, too !!! Once understtod he'll be able to stop those thoughts.....
becomeing the silent observer without any judgements...... in that very moment he'll be capable to unchain himself ......awareness is the Zauberword.....


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how muchof the following doe he get?

Wheat
Dairy
MSG
Anything artificial

what meds is he on?


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Quoted from Lola
yup, rhodiola


I second this.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I'm imagining it might be something in his diet.  I guess O's don't fair as well on grains at all.  

This supplement might help too.

http://store.elementalsliving.com/serotonin-support-pwd-1-46-oz.html


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Thanks to you all. I will go over all of this with him. I'm hoping one of these days he will go for his BTD or even Swami. He is trying to eat healthier food.

He is 28 and takes lithium and thyroid. He recently came off of clonazepam. Before his diagnosis, we tried natural things, but they didn't help much, so he hasn't been too keen on them. However, he is trying kava kava right now, so I hope I can get him to try the rhodiola and other suggestions.  


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I would think potatoes, wheat, soya
and sugar as being the worse foods for him. I do not know much about bipolar but I do know these foods seem to trigger a multitude of problems for O's in general. As he has not really reached the point to go full hog into the diet change I would suggest using different grains...brown rice and millet for dinner and breakfast foods, buckwheat crepes/pancakes instead of wheat etc and to add to the diet rather than avoid so he does not see it as a restricted diet. I would add powdered kelp for starters. Kelp is great for O's and has all the minerals we need, is good for the stomach and gut, the functioning of the thyroid and is tasty on salads, rice, sliced tomatoes etc. It does not have a strong sea/fish taste so many people who balk at eating seaweed will like this. I feed it to all my guests but never tell them.....some thought it was pepper and sprinkled loads on their sliced tomatoes and did not even notice......I really laughed! Anxiety can often be caused by a missing mineral, vitamin or amino acid. Does he eat meat, what meat?
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Quoted from kescah
However, he is trying kava kava right now, so I hope I can get him to try the rhodiola and other suggestions.  


Might want to consider magnolia bark extract. Whatever - don't try everything at once. See what helps and how it affects one at a time.

Also, kava kava has possible interactions with various drugs, including anti-anxiety. Rhodiola acts an MAOi, and while Dr D recommends it for O's that does not mean it is right for everyone.
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I use Dr. D's  Catechol and Rhodiola  together.  I take one of each with each meal.  The Rhodiola is the 250 mg. strength.  That along with being compliant in my eating and regular exercise.  That combo seems to be working for ME.  As others have said, that may not work for others.



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Thanks so much. I am going to make a list of all these recommendations.

I know kava is not supposed to be good for Os, so hopefully the ones that are will work better yet. He does like the kava, but says it does not work for long.


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  • No caffeine
    No alcohol
    No fish oil
    No gluten, dairy, sugar
    Lots of fresh fruit and veggies
    Purified water - 2L per day.
    30 minutes of movement/exercise of some kind every day

Do this for a week, he should feel remarkably better.

Sometimes a supplement of zinc+b6, and magnesium powder can help to get the rest under control. More than 75% of my patients who present with anxiety will improve on this protocol. After the week if you're feeling better, you start to reintroduce things one by one to find the trigger(s).

Other times it's a personal development issue - they are anxious for life reasons rather than biological reasons. Especially if he's on lithium which does really dull the senses/emotions. Sometimes a good counsellor, life coach, actually get a 5-10yr life plan going (many of my patients are anxious because they feel like their lives are going nowhere, because they've never planned anything relating to their careers/personal lives/goal setting etc their lives actually ARE going nowhere and their anxiety is justified).

Maybe it's a combo of all the above. Or perhaps something else altogether. We are all different.

I hope he finds what will work for him, and he starts to feel better soon.
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Thank you so much. I'm sure that will that and the other approaches, we will find a solution.

I highly value this forum. It has done wonders for me, and I pass it on to others.


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He is 28 and takes lithium and thyroid. He recently came off of clonazepam. Before his diagnosis, we tried natural things, but they didn't help much, so he hasn't been too keen on them. However, he is trying kava kava right now, so I hope I can get him to try the rhodiola and other suggestions.  


Meditation .. And I recommend the Course "Attacking Anxiety and Depression" by Midwest Center.
It teaches you how to handle it yourself so you get control .. and not the drugs being in control. Its a natural drug free way to have that control.  It really helped me get control of my anxiety at a really stressful time in my life.  It basically teaches you that your own thoughts are what cause the anxiety and depression..plus a bad diet doesn't help either
http://www.stresscenter.com/
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Thank you, Mayflowers.


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try what the other people suggest incl rhodiala, but also maybe contact one of the people interested in nutritional balancing medicine on Dr lawrence Martin's site, think of sending a sample of your son's hair to the lab in Ph, Arizona for mineral testing and heavy metal toxicity.  I'm waiting for my results to come back.
in the meantime, regular routine every day inc meals and bed time, time in nature, sunshine, some deep breathing exercises, like pranayama as in yogic breathing.
and think of other sources of anxiety, we should try and choose the right environment, job, food, people that suits our personality and biology. And try and avoid most grains, all sweeteners..  brown rice should be okay, maybe a little millet, amaranth, quinoa.    lots of cooked vegetables (esp some root veg like butternut squash, rutabaga/swede, turnip) with a good heaping of ghee or duck fat (the brain and nerves are covered in fat and need this), plant fats may be too 'yin' for him, so stick to ghee please.  serve with toasted fennel and cumin seeds. a pinch of sea salt and Himalyan mountain salt - which has all minerals and trace elements needed!
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I'm glad to know that about the Himalyan mountain salt. Thanks.

I went to get some rhodiola for my son, and it says on the label that it is not recommended for people with bipolar disorder. I ust wanted that on the recocrd here in case someone else is thinking of trying it.

I really appreciate ALL these suggestions. He is reading them and wanting to try to eat right- first time ever. He's also trying to get on a routine. Thanks all!


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The little gray cells have been churning. I have learned much about anxiety and acidity. They go hand in hand.

I have been dealing with severely acidic urine (goes hand in hand with my psoriatic arthritis) and anxiety, myself. Now that my son has been taken off his anxiety meds, we have been talking alot about what to do- and somehow, I can't even remember how, I started wondering if acidity and anxiety go together.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=panic-attacks-as-ph-problem

http://www.livestrong.com/article/35014-lower-uric-acid-drugs/

I've recently switched to Rhus Tox, the current carefully chosen homeopathic remedy for my psoriatic arthritis (not the same for all, but highly likely for folks with psoriasis of the forearms). It is also the homeopathic remedy you take when you've worked out too hard the day before and your muscles are full of lactic acid.

Taking it seems to help bring up my pH a tad, which makes sense. Obviously, if you get an acid out of your system, it will raise your pH, and it does get lactic acid moving- of course, you need to drink water.

According to one of the above posts, anxiety is related to high lactic acid levels in the brain synapses.

When I did a search on anxiety acidity connection, most results were for acid reflux, relating it to anxiety. So those with that problem could work on their pH, too.

I'll be rereading all your replies with this in mind. Thanks again!


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I've further learned that the cause of the acidity can be candida overgrowth, so the solution is to treat the candida. Begone!


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